Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 18
1 Q. Then the document goes on: "Under this program, United
States manufacturers who employ fully halogenated
2 chlorofluorocarbons in the manufacture of disposable foam
products for foodservice are agreeing to eliminate use of
3 CFC-11 and CFC-12 in their products by substituting
non-fully halogenated blends, including HCFC-22, and to
4 seek and adopt improved blowing agents in the future.
5 The ozone depletion potential of HCFC-22 is far smaller
than that of CFC-11 and CFC-12". Mr. Kouchoukos, were you
6 conscious at that time----
7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can we just pause a moment?
8 MR. MORRIS: We could not find a particular statement we were
looking for.
9
MR. RAMPTON: I will read that again: "The ozone depletion
10 potential of HCFC-22 is far smaller than that of CFC-11
and 12". At that time were you conscious of any
11 percentage estimate or fraction estimate of how much
smaller that depletion potential was thought to be?
12 A. Correct. It was supposedly 95 per cent less ozone
depletion potential stated by the scientists at the time.
13 The scientists were from the United Nations Environmental
Program, not from any of our industry people. We took
14 those as the most creditable source we could. We do not
have any scientists on staff at Perseco, so we rely upon
15 outside organisations.
16 Q. These environmental protection or defence bodies go on:
"In view of the urgent need to achieve drastic reductions
17 in ozone depleting chemicals as soon as possible, the
near-term complete replacement on an accelerated timetable
18 of CFC-11 and CFC-12 with HCFC-22 in the manufacture of
disposable foodservice, packaging represents significant
19 progress." You were around at that time, you saw this
document. Did that accord with your own view or not?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Can we just turn over the page, top paragraph: "FOE, EDF
and NRDC recognize the environmental benefits of
22 implementing the FPI program in the effort to protect the
stratospheric ozone layer. We support the actions to be
23 taken by the individual companies and their customers to
eliminate use of CFC-11 and CFC-12 in their products by
24 substituting non-fully halogenated blends, including
HCFC-22, and to seek and adopt improved blowing agents
25 under this program".
26 So far as McDonald's were you using CFCs, is that what
happened in your experience?
27 A. Yes, there was a phase out of CFCs into HCFCs where
CFCs had been used.
28
Q. I am going to take you in a moment, so we can have a
29 worldwide review of the speed at which these substances
were eventually phased out; when, to your recollection,
30 did it first become apparent that even HCFCs might be
damaging to the ozone layer?
