Day 015 - 21 Jul 94 - Page 06

     
     1   MS. STEEL:   Can you spell the name of the booklet you are
              referring to?
     2
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The bible?
     3        A.  It is McCance and Widdowson; that is the Bible in this
              country for the composition of foods.
     4
         MR. RAMPTON:  What, in fact, we used yesterday for total
     5        dietary intake of energy was not McCance and Widdowson,
              but we used what I called the grey book.
     6        A.  Sorry?
 
     7   Q.   When we were using a figure for total dietary calorie
              intake we did not use the McCance and Widdowson?
     8        A.  That is right. No, McCance and Widdowson gives data on
              the composition of individual foods.  The level of
     9        recommended intake for calories is what we got from our
              grey book here.
    10
         Q.   You used the grey book?
         A.  Yes.
 
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is the Bible you have referred to.  You
              can look up in that a particular quantity of a particular
    13        vegetable, or something like that?
              A.  That is right.  It has the composition of several
    14        thousand common foods.
 
    15   Q.   That may be subject, presumably, to variations for one
              reason or another, but that is your starting point, is it?
    16        A.  That is right, yes.  It is a book which is widely
              accepted in this country and, in fact, it is accepted in
    17        many cases by trading standards officers when food
              technologists in food companies work out the information
    18        to put on nutrition labels of a food product.
 
    19   MR. RAMPTON:  I want to go back to the figures you give for the
              contents of McDonald's items:  Calories, fat, saturated
    20        fat, extrinsic sugar, fibre and sodium; those, you tell
              us, are taken from McDonald's own published figures?
         A.  Yes, that is right.  A judgment has to be made on
              whether sugar is intrinsic or extrinsic.
    22
         Q.   They are not so important since the defendants accept the
    23        accuracy of McDonald's own figures.
 
    24   MR. MORRIS:  I was not aware we had done.
 
    25   MR. RAMPTON:  You relied on them in the defence.
  
    26   MS. STEEL:  It may not be accepting these particular figures. 
  
    27   MR. RAMPTON:   I will leave that to the defendants at some
              later stage.  The fact is that in the defence they rely on
    28        the figures stated in McDonald's own literature as part of
              their defence.
    29
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will see where we come to.
    30
         MS. STEEL:   As yet, he has not said which set of figures he