Day 031 - 05 Oct 94 - Page 16

     
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     2   MS. STEEL:   I had got as far as the end -- well, about the
     3        middle of page 3, but I am not sure which part to go to
     4        from there.
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is entirely up to you, but I suggest
     7        that you see if there is anything more on page 3 before
     8        you go further.  I am not suggesting there is.  If there
     9        is not, then you might ask yourself whether there is
    10        anything further you want to ask on pages 4, 5 and 6 but
    11        excluding part 3, which is really the professor's comments
    12        on what one might call evidential matters and the question
    13        of the extent to which you can prove matters in this field
    14        and why there might be inconsistencies between one kind of
    15        study and another.  Is that fair, Professor Crawford?
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    17   THE WITNESS:  Yes, very fair.
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you want the break now?
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    MS. STEEL:   It might be helpful, yes.
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    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The one matter I would like some help on --
    24        apart from that, it is entirely up to you whether you ask
    25        anything further in-chief outside the statement which
    26        I have read -- is the matter at the bottom of page 8 and
    27        the top of page 9 to which Mr. Rampton referred.
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    29   MS. STEEL:   I have various questions; I am not sure in which
    30        order to ask them.
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    32                       (Short Adjournment)
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    34   MS. STEEL:   Going on to page 4, this is really dealing with
    35        some of the evidence given by other witnesses, where those
    36        witnesses have claimed there is no proof that diet is
    37        linked to cancer.
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    39   MR. RAMPTON:  No, my Lord.  They have not said that.  The
    40        witnesses have not said there is no proof that diet is
         linked with cancer.  The word "link" should be abandoned,
    42        perhaps, for the purpose of these proceedings.
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    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Use the word "cause".  There are all
    45        sorts of words we have used, "association", "link" and
    46        "cause".  One of the things, if I may say so which -- I
    47        know the word "link" is in the text; "medical fact" is in
    48        the text.  It may be that Mr. Rampton will argue that if
    49        you use the phrase "medical fact", that hardens up "link"
    50        in some way.  You also have or, rather, we have on the 
    51        leaflet one of the arches with "McCancer" in.  So he is 
    52        going to argue -- it would not surprise me -- that, look 
    53        as one might at each specific word, sentence and phrase in
    54        the text, "McCancer" itself means that McDonald's food
    55        causes cancer.
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    57        We move away a step from that to a diet high in animal fat
    58        or saturated fat and the extent to which there is (and was
    59        late in the 80s) evidence that such a diet is a cause of
    60        cancer, particularly cancer of the breast or colon.  That