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     1        quite a lot of television work?
     2        A.  Yes, I do.
     3
     4   Q.   You remember I put it to you that you had on that
     5        programme said words to the effect that 25 per cent of
     6        meat eating men would become impotent.
     7
     8   MS. STEEL:  By "eating meat" you said.
     9
    10   MR. RAMPTON:  By eating meat, yes, and you said, "No", you
    11        would never have said such a thing at all.  Can I put
    12        something else to you now and then perhaps we can look at
    13        the two extracts and any other bits you may wish the court
    14        to see?  Did you say on that television programme that 35
    15        to 50 per cent of cancers are due to diet?
    16        A.  I believe I said words to that effect, yes.
    17
    18   Q.   If you did say that it would not be an accurate statement
    19        of scientific knowledge at the time when you said it,
    20        would it?
         A.  It would be an accurate statement.
    22
    23   Q.   It would.  You cited, I think, in support of that
    24        statement, statistics or statements made by the National
    25        Cancer Institute of the United States?
    26        A.  I did.
    27
    28   Q.   My Lord, maybe in the light of that it would be
    29        appropriate for your Lordship to see those two short
    30        parts?
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS:  Can we ask Dr. Barnard to write down the exact
    33        words that he said?
    34
    35   THE WITNESS:  Thank you.  I have already had the opportunity to
    36        write down the first of those segments and to compare it
    37        with what Mr. Rampton presented me with yesterday and I
    38        have noted the differences.  I did not get an opportunity
    39        to write down the second quote.  Would it be helpful for
    40        me to do that?
    41
    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us see it.
    43
    44        (The extract of Cross-Talk video was played to the court)
    45
    46   MR. MORRIS:  Did you get the exact wording?
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Someone has got to sit down -- not now --
    49        and actually make an accurate transcript.  You then check
    50        that it is accurate. 
    51 
    52   MR. RAMPTON:  It is a skilled business that and we will have it 
    53        done professionally.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is bad enough when people are speaking at
    56        normal speed in court.  When they are getting excited on
    57        chat shows and interrupting each other, all talking at the
    58        same time, it is very difficult.  If points are going to
    59        be made on this, I need a transcript which is agreed by
    60        the parties to be accurate.