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1 Q. Those are the authorities for the proposition that the
2 relationships between specific dietary components and
3 cancer are much less well established than those between
4 diet and cardiovascular disease?
5 A. Yes. People are still sorting out the roles of
6 saturated fat versus total fat, for example.
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8 MR. MORRIS: We do not have the references. That is probably
9 our mistake. I am sure it is not important, but if the
10 Plaintiffs think it is important, then we will have to
11 endeavour to get them.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Were you not handed -- oh, of the
14 references?
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16 MR. MORRIS: Just the references.
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18 MR. RAMPTON: My belief is that this is a Defendants' document.
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20 MR. MORRIS: Sorry; yes, we do have ----
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What page do the references appear on,
23 Mr. Rampton?
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25 MR. RAMPTON: 176, my Lord.
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27 MR. MORRIS: Sorry, we do have those.
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29 MR. RAMPTON: They go over as far as 179. Perhaps your
30 Lordship would keep a finger in -- I am not sure that is
31 right. Those are the references for the appendix. The
32 true references, or the main references are 162.
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34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That would figure, looking at what they are.
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36 MR. RAMPTON: Yes. So, indeed, if your Lordship would not mind
37 keeping a finger in page 164 (and if you have got it, you
38 too, please, Dr. Barnard) as I read on: "However, the
39 overall impact" ----
40 A. I hate to say this, but if those pages are to be
41 important, I do not seem to have them again. I am not
42 sure if this is something you are going to refer to.
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44 Q. No. I am going to give you some information in a moment
45 and I hope that everybody else will agree that the
46 information I give is correct, because they can verify it
47 by reference to the pages having got 164. Before I read
48 on, can I ask you this: In the light of what it there
49 says and the source for that proposition, would you agree
50 that the answer you gave a moment ago needs adjusting? It
51 is not, is it, to do with mechanisms, although that may be
52 part of the question, it is to do with the role of
53 specific dietary components, is it not?
54 A. Part of that is mechanisms.
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56 Q. Yes, I understand.
57 A. Part of that is overall effect; there may be other
58 interactions there as well.
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60 Q. The identification of mechanism -- sorry?
