Day 066 - 14 Dec 94 - Page 14


     
     1   Q.   From there it will go to the restaurant to be cooked and
     2        sold to the customer?
     3        A.  To the distribution centres then.
     4
     5   Q.   I am sorry, I left that out because it seems it, perhaps,
     6        is not a significant stage in the food safety chain.  Can
     7        we make a mental note that it exists, but forgive me if I
     8        do not always mention it.
     9        A.  OK, yes.
    10
    11   Q.   Of those stages that I mentioned, farm, slaughterhouse,
    12        processing plant and restaurant, is there any particular
    13        one or more than one that carries an unusually high risk of
    14        contamination?
    15        A.  Can you narrow it down to -- can I ask?
    16
    17   Q.   Let me ask it a different way.  Start with the farm, with a
    18        cow on a farm or a herd of cows or steers on a farm.  What
    19        are the risks, so far as human health are concerned, which
    20        may occur at that stage?
    21        A.  I would say that if you look at the literature, that
    22        is, scientific literature, research, you can make a general
    23        assumption that salmonella, the bacteria, or salmonellosis,
    24        the disease, is the No. 1 concern or the highest risk when
    25        it comes to beef cattle in the production area as well as
    26        the processing.
    27
    28   Q.   Can I make a slight digression now?  I will not come back
    29        to it.  I take it you have heard of a cattle disease called
    30        bovine spongiform encephalatis -- BSE?
    31        A.  Yes.
    32
    33   Q.   Do you have that in the United States?
    34        A.  There have been no recorded cases or incidents in the
    35        United States.
    36
    37   Q.   Do you know that it has been a phenomenon in recent years
    38        in this country?
    39        A.  Yes, I know.
    40
    41   Q.   Have you discussed that problem with your colleagues and
    42        other sorts of scientists and people like that in Europe?
    43        A.  Yes, I have.  I have had discussions with numerous
    44        people from the government to trade associations, the
    45        British Livestock Commission and so forth, in Brussels with
    46        the European Community.
    47
    48   Q.   Have you studied the question whether the existence of BSE
    49        in cattle presents any significant hazard to human health?
    50        A.  Yes, I have.  That is one of my responsibilities to 
    51        make sure of the emerging trends or issues that arise 
    52        around the word, so yes, I have. 
    53
    54   Q.   So far as the present state of knowledge is concerned, what
    55        conclusion have you drawn as to the existence or otherwise
    56        of that hazard to human health?
    57        A.  To human's health, the research that has been
    58        documented supports the fact that there is no direct link
    59        or risk associated with the consumption of beef that comes
    60        from animals that have BSE, that there is no risk to

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