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     1        punch and, as documents are produced, you can say:
     2         "I would like those put in such and such a folder behind
     3        the ones which are already there".  We can number as we go
     4        on and we can paginate them when we add them.  So, think
     5        about that as a possible course in the future.
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you manage to ask Professor Ashworth
    10        about this document, identifying it later so I can look at
    11        it?  Do you want to put a lot of it to him?
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  No, really, it is very brief.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I suggest is you hold on to your copy,
    16        give Professor Ashworth the other copy and I will just
    17        listen hard but I will expect -----
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:  It was referred to before.
    20
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Very well.
    22
    23   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, Mrs. Brinley-Codd as ever is, I think,
    24        hot on the trail, on the scent.  My Lord, the Defendants'
    25        Witnesses' Statements, volume 1C, section J, behind
    26        Mr. Lipsett's statement.  In order to save Mr. Morris'
    27        blushes, Mrs. Brinley-Codd has compiled -- I do not think
    28        it is complete -- a list of all the documents that the
    29        Defendants have produced during the course of the hearing.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us just find that -- that is extremely
    32        helpful -- now and carry on with Professor Ashworth.  Put
    33        this on your list of topics which you want to raise.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, it was already on the list.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us get on with Professor Ashworth now.
    38
    39   MR. MORRIS:  If someone could give Professor Ashworth the actual
    40        documents?  (To the witness):  Do you recognise this
         document, Professor Ashworth?
    42        A.  Yes.
    43
    44   Q.   If we look -- only a couple of lines really -- two-thirds
    45        of way down the first page, there is a bolded part which
    46        is:  "The principal objective of the original Directive was
    47        to ensure that within 10 years of its adoption".  Then it
    48        is bolded:  "90 per cent of all packaging and waste would
    49        be removed from the waste stream and 'recovered'."  This is
    50        a European, proposed European Directive; is that something 
    51        you would agree with as a goal? 
    52        A.  The purpose of this sheet was to provide information 
    53        about that Directive.  My own reaction to the Directive is
    54        that targets of this kind can be extremely misleading, and
    55        I would not be prepared to offer an opinion about whether
    56        or not the 90 per cent is a realistic figure or not; it
    57        would depend and have to be taken into account in relation
    58        to a number of other factors before I would be willing to
    59        say that, which is why the information sheet is worded in
    60        the way it is.