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1 things were not. That is the best way to approach it. The
2 thrust of Professor Ashworth's evidence and why he has been
3 called is, effectively, this, that within the limitations
4 of providing something like half their income from
5 take-away sales, McDonald's behaves pretty well so far as
6 environment/index.html">litter is concerned, putting in homely language. It is any
7 aspect of that which you should be challenging and
8 testing. You only need test that to which you think
9 Professor Ashworth can particularly speak.
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11 MR. MORRIS: Yes. (To the witness): Professor Ashworth,
12 McDonald's say they are going out and collecting from all
13 their stores regularly environment/index.html">litter; would you say that, in your
14 experience in your Group, but also in terms of your
15 personal experience, using your common sense and
16 observation, that McDonald's items of environment/index.html">litter are the
17 largest single piece by piece source of environment/index.html">litter in urban
18 areas in this country emanating from a single business?
19 A. No.
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21 Q. Can you name a company that has more environment/index.html">litter per item on the
22 urban streets of this country?
23 A. If you -- I have to -----
24
25 Q. Whether or they picked it up?
26 A. I have to qualify the answer because it depends where
27 you are talking about. I mean, if you are talking about
28 the streets in general or in particular, if it is streets
29 in general the answer is no, there are more cans than there
30 are hamburger cases, there is more chewing gum than there
31 are hamburger cases, there are more crisp packets than
32 there are hamburger cases. That is the sort of answer you
33 want. If you ask me about what the situation is within 25
34 feet of the front of McDonald's, the answer will obviously
35 be different.
36
37 Q. You have mentioned more cans in general, more chewing gum
38 in general, more crisp packets in general, but is there any
39 single company you can identify that is the source of more
40 items of environment/index.html">litter than McDonald's in urban areas?
41 A. I do not think it is possible to answer the question in
42 the form in which you put it. It depends where you are
43 talking about. Clearly, if you are talking about within a
44 specific area, then the situation is different.
45
46 Q. Let us say London.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can I put it this way because it may be just
49 that you cannot give an answer. If it were possible to go
50 out now and take a satellite picture of every item of
51 environment/index.html">litter in the streets of the United Kingdom, can you say
52 whether there would be more McDonald's than there was
53 Walkers crisps or KP nuts? Do you see what I mean?
54 A. Yes.
55
56 Q. That is what you are being asked. The first thing to say
57 is whether you can answer the question.
58 A. I cannot answer it in the form in which it is put is
59 the straight question. But if you were to postulate such a
60 question in the form in which you have put it, it is you
