Day 103 - 14 Mar 95 - Page 23

     
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     2   Q.   They do do?
     3        A.  Some bacteria will grow at very low temperatures.  The
     4        common spoilage organisms that would affect chicken would
     5        not grow at four degrees or below.
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     7   Q.   Staphylococcus faeceum, is that something that would affect
     8        raw chicken?
     9        A.  No.
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    11   Q.   If we go back to the previous page under Cholavi at the
    12        end, there is a 5.20 maximum temperature not rejected -----
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    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Hold on.  That may be a conclusion you draw
    15        from the other answer, but it does not say that on the
    16        sheet.
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    18   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Pattison did say and it would not be -----
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    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I know.  You ask him about it.  Put it
         to him.
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    23   MR. MORRIS:  If a bin is not rejected and it is at that
    24        temperature, is that a human error or is that a failure of
    25        the system?
    26        A.  I cannot speak for this individual case or the choice
    27        of the individual at the particular time.  What I would say
    28        is that the standard that we are setting is way above the
    29        legislative -- any legislative requirements for transport
    30        of food.
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is that?
    33        A.  The current recommendation is eight degrees Centigrade
    34        for the transport of chilled foods.
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    36   Q.   Do you know what it would have been in about 1989?  Would
    37        it have been the same or moved around?
    38        A.  The regulations, since the heightened awareness about
    39        listeria, the requirements have been tightened, but I am
    40        not sure that I can remember what it was before if, in
         fact, there were any strict regulations on that.
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    43   MR. MORRIS:  If we go back to the page 2 again, I notice, while
    44        we are looking at the foreign objects found, yes, that some
    45        of the foreign objects are not chicken related; that means
    46        they are plastic or metal or things like that, yes?
    47        A.  Could be, yes.
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    49   Q.   In fact, as many non-chicken related foreign objects are
    50        being found as chicken-related in the first two, Grandstand 
    51        Road and Jamain, yes? 
    52        A.  Yes. 
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    54   Q.   Down on the left-hand bottom box, Raw Materials Laboratory
    55        Analysis, it says above 500,000, is that your limit?
    56        A.  Yes.
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    58   Q.   Or acceptance?
    59        A.  The 500 -----
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