Day 107 - 24 Mar 95 - Page 04
1 Q. Yes, do not say any more at the moment, because if either
2 of the parties think more precision is relevant they can
3 ask you about that. E.coli generally, and I am going to
4 ask you about 0157: H in a moment.
5 A. E.coli, always in both.
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7 Q. So it is always there?
8 A. Oh, indeed, yes. It is a normal gut inhabitant.
9 E.coli is not a pathogen per se.
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11 Q. No. E.coli 0157: H?
12 A. Present in animals.
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14 Q. In the gut again?
15 A. In the gut, yes.
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17 Q. And E.coli generally in the gut or not?
18 A. Let make this very careful distinction, my Lord:
19 E.coli always in human beings and animals without
20 exception. E.coli 0157 -----
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22 Q. In the gut?
23 A. In the gut always but rarely -- if you see the
24 distinction.
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26 Q. Sorry?
27 A. It is a gut inhabitant, rarely found.
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29 MR. MORRIS: That is the 0157?
30 A. 0157.
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32 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am sorry, it is no doubt my fault. E.coli
33 generally always in both?
34 A. Yes.
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36 Q. Animals and people?
37 A. Yes.
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39 Q. But in the gut?
40 A. Always in the gut -- sorry. Yes, it is a gut
41 inhabitant, exclusively a gut inhabitant.
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43 Q. Not a pathogen as such. E.coli 0157, what did you say
44 about that?
45 A. That is one particular strain within the general group
46 of E.coli and that particular strain is a pathogen. That
47 is again found in animals.
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49 Q. In the gut?
50 A. In the gut, exclusively in the gut unless, of course,
51 people are actually ill.
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53 Q. Yes, and people?
54 A. And people.
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56 Q. I assume some but not all animals and people, or is that
57 wrong?
58 A. Some -- I am trying to avoid being specific, by no
59 means all.
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