Day 110 - 29 Mar 95 - Page 13
1 to get the measure of the areas within which Mr. Long can
2 give admissible evidence.
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4 MS. STEEL: Mr. Long has considerable experience and expertise
5 in cattle. Can I -----
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, you cannot. Let us just look at the
8 topics. I am not asking you to persuade me that he can
9 give expert evidence on a topic, I want to see the
10 topic -----
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12 MS. STEEL: I just want to ask answer something Mr. Rampton
13 said. He said he cannot give any expert evidence about
14 cows that are going to McDonald's. The fact is McDonald's
15 do not know where their cows are coming from. So, if
16 Mr. Long can talk about the cattle industry, in general,
17 that is going to be applicable to McDonald's, the cows that
18 go to McDonald's.
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Are you not going to allow me to go through
21 his statement so that you can make that point as each topic
22 comes up? The first thing is not that point at all,
23 because he positively says that he has witnessed at
24 livestock markets culled dairy cows being auctioned and
25 bought to be slaughtered for McDonald's burgers.
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27 All I am asking is, do you know whether he can expand on
28 that and what the compass of his evidence is to demonstrate
29 that they are going to McDonald's?
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31 MR. MORRIS: The reason that this came up was that McDonald's
32 were denying or claiming that there was no evidence that
33 they used any dairy cattle whatsoever in this country. It
34 was not put in in order to be evidence of the fact -- it
35 was not put in so that Dr. Long could establish his
36 expertise as relevant to McDonald's cattle.
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Morris, I am going stop you there. I
39 would like you to answer my question. If the answer is you
40 do not know, say so.
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42 MR. MORRIS: I do not know. As it turned out, McDonald's use at
43 least 50 per cent of its dairy cattle -- surprise,
44 surprise.
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46 MS. STEEL: Can I make another observation about the statement
47 of Mr. Long?
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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51 MS. STEEL: He does say at the end of it that he rushed it off
52 between visits. I think he had only about two or three
53 days to prepare this. It may if he had longer, he would
54 have prepared something a bit more detailed.
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56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you know how long he is likely to take
57 giving his evidence-in-chief?
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59 MS. STEEL: He has got considerable experience not only in
60 cattle, but in pigs and poultry as well which is mentioned
