Day 148 - 05 Jul 95 - Page 27

     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Anyway, he called them OCs in the United
     3        States.
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     5   MS. STEEL:  Yes.  On day 145, page 34, I started asking him
     6        about the procedure with the observation check lists in the
     7        USA.  I presumed that the OCLs were pretty similar in the
     8        USA and Mr. Stein said they were not; they were quite
     9        different and that they had three stages for each station.
    10        I think it would, therefore, be appropriate to see the
    11        American OCLs, as all we have got now is the English ones.
    12        Do you want me to say anything else on that one?
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    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If there is anything you want to say do, but
    15        I have identified the documents you wish to have.
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    17   MS. STEEL:   There are some more that Mr. Morris is going to
    18        read out.
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    20   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, they were mentioned last Thursday.  I am
         sorry, I had not noted them down on my list.  That is why
    22        I had forgotten.  The health and safety minutes which were
    23        disclosed after Jill Barnes completed her evidence.
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    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is item 5.
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    27   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, but there were specific documents mentioned in
    28        them which are important.  Do you want me to ----
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    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you will have to give me the
    31        references, identify the documents and show me where they
    32        appear and tell me what you say the relevance is.
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    34   MR. MORRIS:  Yes; 7th April, meeting of 7th April.
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    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where do I find that?
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    38   MR. MORRIS:  Jill Barnes minutes?
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    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
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    42   MR. MORRIS:  I believe they are in pink XIII, 57 V.  I have put
    43        a D on it as well.  I do not know what that means.
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    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have that.
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    47   MR. MORRIS:  On 7th April, which is about halfway through the
    48        minutes of the meeting on 7th April 1993 -- I think they
    49        are not numbered, are they, these pages?
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    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have that. 
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    53   MR. MORRIS:  The first page of that, Minutes of Health and
    54        Safety -- that Steering Group Meeting, "Matters Arising",
    55        halfway down the page, it says:  "Response to the Health
    56        and Safety Executive, Accident and Prevention Advisory
    57        Unit, assessment has been prepared and sent to HSE.  It
    58        will be abbreviated by them and distributed to the EHOs."
    59        That response we are applying for.
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