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     1        relevant?
     2
     3   MR. RAMPTON:  There may well be parts of it which are not
     4        relevant, yes, because I am guided by the contents of
     5        Mr. Logan's statement and by the specific allegations which
     6        Mr. Morris wrote down in manuscript the other day in court
     7        and handed to your Lordship.  At all points in this
     8        exercise, I used those as my guide to relevance.  I am not
     9        going to argue it now.
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:  Can I just say that there is a slight inaccuracy
    12        there.  We are not saying that what happened in 1994 is the
    13        only thing of relevance in Michael Logan's evidence.  It is
    14        just that we have -- and, certainly, when it comes to the
    15        personnel files of the specific people named, some of them
    16        may pre-date 1994 -- but it is just that when we have
    17        applied for documents of a general nature or relevant to
    18        the food poisoning or, you know, the RCD issue, we have
    19        concentrated on 1993 and 1994, because to ask for anything
    20        before that would probably be unnecessary, because we need
         really sample periods, except, obviously, the period when
    22        the RCD broke down.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Pause there, because when you come to make
    25        your argument, I would like to you to tell me what you
    26        think may be in his personnel file which you consider would
    27        be relevant to particular issues, what kind of documents
    28        you think would be there.
    29
    30   MR. RAMPTON:  As I say, we do not have what I call the old
    31        personnel files of Mr. Logan, in any event.  So we are
    32        confined, so far as he is concerned, to the later years;
    33        and anything of relevance to him which arises either out of
    34        his statement or out of the further particulars of the
    35        statement which we now have will be disclosed.  It does not
    36        mean that we will necessarily disclose the whole file.
    37
    38        The same goes for item 2.  Here, we now have some names
    39        which we did not have when Mr. Logan's statement was served
    40        on us.  Whether we have all these files or not, I do not
         know.  (Pause)
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You see, Mr. Morris -- helpfully, in my
    44        provisional view -- has limited the items in 2A.  I may ask
    45        him to expand on 2B when he addresses me.
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  2B, I believe, my Lord, that is a matter for
    48        argument.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could there be any contest about 2A? 
    51 
    52   MR. RAMPTON:  None at all.  I do not think we have all those 
    53        files, and that is one of the things I was going to tell
    54        your Lordship that we are proposing to disclose.  2B is
    55        plainly contentious.  It is drawn much too widely -- or
    56        indistinctly, perhaps I should say.
    57
    58        We have a slight problem, because Mr. Morris' handwritten
    59        note gives dates for some people's dissatisfaction with PR
    60        problems in some cases, but not in others.  Our proposal