Day 309 - 03 Dec 96 - Page 11

     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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     4   MR. RAMPTON:  It follows from that that within the blocks, or
     5        within the columns underneath the dotted line at the top of
     6        the page, the second dotted line, as well as percentages
     7        the figures are estimates because they are extrapolations
     8        of the actual number of people in thousands that are in
     9        each category.
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    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL: How do you get the 22 million 500-----
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    13   MR. RAMPTON:  I take 21,068,000 away from 44,080,000.  The only
    14        thing I do have to say is that I do not know where I got
    15        the figure for the total UK population figure -- it is not
    16        a terribly important figure for these purposes -- of 56.6
    17        million from.  I simply cannot remember.
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That figure looks familiar, and it whether it
    20        was Professor Wheelock or one of the other witnesses or
         Mr. Fairgrieve himself, I was given a figure at some stage.
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    23   MR. RAMPTON:  It certainly was the figure that was in my head
    24        and I had a note of it, but I cannot, I am afraid, tell
    25        your Lordship where it comes from now.
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    27   MS. STEEL:   Mr. Fairgrieve did give the figure the first time
    28        he came to give evidence.
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    30   MR. RAMPTON:  Whether it had gone up or down significantly
    31        between 1994, when he first came, and 1995, which is what
    32        these figure relate to, is a bit doubtful.  So perhaps it
    33        is a sufficiently reliable figure.
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    35        My Lord, I do make the point in the text, and I make it
    36        again; it is a trap into which one falls when one is doing
    37        the figures, as a matter of fact, to regard them as being
    38        set in stone.  Of course, they are not, but they are more
    39        valuable as showing broad trends and patterns.
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    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is all I would propose to do in any
    42        event.
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    44   MR. RAMPTON:  I am not inviting your Lordship to find as a fact
    45        that there were X number of customers doing this, that or
    46        the other during the year.
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    48   MR. MORRIS:  May I make a comment?  The figure of 44 million,
    49        which Mr. Rampton describes as eating out population, I
    50        would have thought that figure represents the whole 
    51        population minus children of the country.  Unless----- 
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    53   MR. RAMPTON:  Not as explained by Mr. Fairgrieve on his first
    54        visit in relation to his earlier figures.
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    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I will go back through this.  My purpose at
    57        the moment is to understand what is going on on page 70,
    58        not whether it is actually right or wrong but just what the
    59        exercise is.
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