Day 309 - 03 Dec 96 - Page 13

     
     1        then my clients are going to be that much happier.
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I said I did not want to say anything about
     4        meaning but there is something which occurs to me, it is
     5        somewhere in your submissions where you assume -- I will
     6        come back to that and ask for something to be brought to my
     7        room.
     8
     9        You say at the bottom of 11, I have fallen out of order
    10        there.
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  Relatively familiar with this topic.
    13
    14   MS. STEEL:   Page 11.
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Page 11.  Sugar is irrelevant, but for a
    17        different reason, and then there is kerogen genesis.  It
    18        might be relevant, might it not, to overall calorie
    19        intake?
    20
    MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, it might, that is quite true.  I had that in
    22        originally and it is a concession I am quite willing to
    23        make, it might well do, and that might be directly related
    24        to, for example, obesity, because sugar intake is
    25        discharged as a source of energy more quickly than fat
    26        intake, something of that kind.  Yes, that is perfectly
    27        fair.  I do not know why I did not add that.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL: No.  My next query was at the bottom half of
    30        92.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL: I wanted to check 4(3), because the admissions
    35        which were made, which is in 4(1), (1) being the written
    36        one and (2) being an extension of the admission which you
    37        made during the course of the trial, I understood that, but
    38        4(3), is it not, is a new admission?
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:  No, I am sorry, I am describing the admission in
         4(1).  The admission is a qualitative admission, that there
    42        is a real risk which is causal in nature, or that there is
    43        a real relationship which is causal in nature, thus
    44        creating a real risk, not a hypothetical or a theoretical
    45        one.  What 4(1) and 4(3) then do is make any contribution
    46        to the question, how serious is that real risk, what is the
    47        degree; they are not quantitative admissions, they are
    48        qualitative admissions.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL: So, it is real as opposed to very real, is it, 
    51        using my words? 
    52 
    53   MR. RAMPTON:  Real, as opposed to hypothetical, and is real as
    54        opposed to very real.  I think that is what I am meaning to
    55        say at 44, at the top of the next page.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is the status of the tables?  I did not
    58        look back at the pages of documents which were put forward
    59        for agreement and the responses to that; and, obviously,
    60        some of what is in the various grey books has come in