Gerard :I would repalce it with an administrative body like that in a :co-operative.Dan: Oh yes, there would be no politics comming from this. No human ego's would get involved, oh no.
Gerard : What do you mean people do not care what is their's surely this is what I was saying and private property would have disappeared long ago.
Dan: Forgive the type-o, but you still went on to make my point, people tend to care about what is theirs, when you make things communal, people stop caring but I digress into a debate over the nature of humanity
Qx: You can't avoid any debate whatsover about human nature when alternate systems of society are speculated upon. Communal living doesn't mean people will only care about what is theirs. The Israeli kibbutzim are a fine example of that.
Then also there is a distinction that has to be made between property and possessions. First of all, private land ownership is not that permanent because nobody can truly own the land like some rightwing Libertarians would like to think.
Personal possessions are another thing. Like my toohbrush or clothes. Those are mine and you can't have them. At least not in a communal society that makes that distinction between private property and personal possessions.
Gerard : Cuba is real and the yankee imperialist starve the people but dont break their spirit!
Dan: What can I say to this, yes Cuba is real, so was the USSR, oh but that was different wasnt it? I would suggest that there are more reasons than "yankee imperialism" for starving people in Cuba, or for wave after wave of refugee boats hitting Miami shores. But Im sure you have answers for these events. Yankee propaganda, maybe? or maybe the cry of the defeated.
Qx: You're seeing these boatloads of people floating onto US shores as a sign of starvation. there may be a food shortage and Cuba isn't my ideal but they are better off without the capitalist system ruling over them like in the rest of Latin America. I've known more than a few of these refugees and they do admit that Castro and the Revolution are both still very popular. Something that Jesse Helms seems to ignore.
Perhaps you haven't noticed that the Cuban-American community is a laughing stock by most folks in Latin America but then those perspectives and opinions don't make it into US corporate media. Which of course may really get some rightwingers thinking that I'm a communist. But then again what the hell? I expect that out of US rightwingers who don't dare envisage an alternative to the capitalist system.
