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: : I would have to agree, the Socialist in-fighting is absurd. What is the most important word in the: What do you call two trots in the same room?
: A Schism.
: PS. Lenin and Trotsky were both Vanguardists- their version of the proletarian revolution was that of a cou d'etat perpetrated by the workers party, and followed by their unique version of the dictatorship of the proletariate- whereby they set upo a one party dictatorship to rule in the name of the proles. (This is not what the term means- it does in fact refer to the idea that the proles being a democratic majority enforce their views on the other classes, and prevent a counter revolution in that manner. Socialism is democratic or nothing worth.)
: The proletarian revolution, when it comes, must come from below, and because everyone wants it. Its a waste of time to engage in the activities of the trots, who when examining every defeat of the working class blame the leadership for giving in. Reject leaders, reformism, even the mendacious (And damaging by its mendacity for the rest of the socialist movement)reformism of the trots (Persuade the people to want X, and then when caputalism fails to deliver, they'll all become good socialists- yeah, right) cannot work, and will not bring us to revolution. A revolution cannot be led, it must be wanted, and if the peopel want it they will need no leaders.. Marxist Anarchism forever.
: PPS. Red Deathy loves left wing in fighting, its a way of whiling away the hours until the revolution comes.....
In a sense, you're right. A revolution MUST be wanted, it must be perpetuated by a change that affects not only people's monetary situations but also the state of their minds and hearts. On the other hand ( and this is a big other hand) revolution is, inherently, symbolized and perpetuated by movement. Leaders, activism, and even reform are vital to any successful workers movement. Revolution must work its way into the actions of people because they truly believe in its causes, but there is danger in advocating any sort of passive movement ( note the oxymoron there). There is, I believe, always danger in absolutes, so, throwing complete support to a "unique dictatorship" on the part of the proletariat is not the right way to go. However, asssuming that change will just spontaneously happen is equally ridiculous. It is true, change cannot take place where it is not wanted. But the fires of revolutionary thought need to be stirred, blown upon by the voices of leaders and of activists. In order for people to want change, the seed of revolution must be planted in their hearts. Didn't someone do that for you? Don't you owe it to your neighbor to do the same?
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