> Do you really think that bigger government will really magically solve all the
> problems around in the world? Do you think that the people placed in power of
> a socialist "utopia" won't try to keep all the power to themselves?Absolutely not- if you read Marx you'll find that his vision of communism involved the abolition of the paraitic state, not the extention of it- the varieties of socialism and communism that have increased state power have been in fact state capitalist nations, and economically indistinguishable from the US or Britain.
> If so, then boy do you have some interesting experiences in store for you.
> That's right, folks!!! Step right up, you're the first one to win a wonderful
> trip to Cuba, socialist utopia extrarodinaire! Look around
> Nope, Leninist Hell hole last I saw. Just wait till its brought down! The
> hole point of socialism is teh people taking the power to thenselves, and
> controling their own lives, instead of letting a small class of vested
> interests dictate to them...
> If you think that I'm just acting silly, take a cold hard look at yourselves.
> Caught up in pointless utopian excursions. Tsk, tsk. Ah well, perhaps someday
> you will savor freedom and not welcome the prospect of jack-booted thugs with
> the ability to raid your property (oops... I forgot! No property exists in
> socialist utopia! That's right! My mistake!). Well, having jack-booted thugs
> with the ability to rough you up a bit, anyway.
Why, state apparati (Sorry, things like the police force, and the army) only exist to cover up the class fractures in soceity- why would we need Jackboted thugs under socialism. Your right, there is no property, its all mine, and there's no state to tell me what todo...
Anyway, what I'm really trying to say is: why would you want to legislate your
freedom away? I mean, really: the only true basic human right is to do what
you damn well please (with the responsibility to face the consequences
attached to it, of course), and since freedom is granted intrinsically at birth, it seems silly to just give it away. But for the greater good, you say? Well, hell, that seems like treading on the rights of the "minority" to me, as if socialists were in the majority anyway.
No, I want freedom, to live as I please, to think and say what I please, to control my own life and not have to live after the dictates of the master class. I want more freedom, not less dear heart...
> So there you have it. Take a swing at my questions if you like. Take a swing
> at my "amazing lack of ignorance" if you like. But never take a swing at my
> freedom.
Not at all, I love your fredom- freedom to do what exactly, work really hard, get paid next to nowt and do as you are told by our mutual masters. Sorry for wanting to rob you of that sweetie...
> One last thing: many socialists, as I've noticed, are socialists not because
> they eat up Marx's theory as if it were a type of chocolate pudding, but
> because they want to be different, rebellious perhaps. That explains why so
> many "socialists" I know (I know a lot of socialists, because hey, I do live
> in Massachusetts after all) also say that they prescribe to the basic tenets
> of libertarianism. Interesting that anybody could believe in totalitarianism
> and personal liberty at the same time.
Socialism is not totalitarian (As long as you aren't a maoist, lenninist, stalinist, or trotskist (Deathy waits for the hate mail to begin). Socialism is about the liberty of the human will, and its emanicpation from plutocracy (Rule by monied elites) and commodity production. SOcialism is about building our own lives...
> Anyway, before all of you socialist guys and girls out there call for my head
> and rant about "killing all of the capitalists", let me tell you that I myself
> am very tolerant in discussions about political theory (my being here proves
> that). Let me also tell you that I have studied a bit of socialist theory and
> found it to be most utopian in nature and most impractical in practice. If any
> of you out there can spout something a little more intelligent than "kill all
> of the capitalists", then I welcome you to answer my questions to best of your
> ability. You guys are expert central planners, after all, eh?
Central planning is a Leninist toy- why should we plan thingas centrally, the peopel on the ground are the best placed to decides what they need.
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