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progression to better state of communism

Posted by: Red Deathy ( RDP, UK ) on July 22, 1997 at 16:35:14:

In Reply to: Re: means of production owned by a minority class posted by TonyH on July 12, 1997 at 13:21:47:

: > So thats why tribal societies are dead full of competition and rivalry, and
: > have competition between cows milk producers? Or that pre-industrial
: > pre-capitalist society in europe was co-operative. Human nature never changes.

: I don't know which tribal societies you're thinking of, but the ones
: I'm thinking of are indeed full of rivalry. I'm thinking of American Indian tribes, African tribes, South American Amazonian tribes. And in articles and documentaries I've seen and read about them, tribal life is fraught with much rivalry in the form of conflicts over wives/sex partners, food, clothes, possessions, machismo, etc. Tribal life is not the utopia you are making it out to be.

I'd agree to a point- certainly there societies, that I have read about, where such rivalries don't happen- or in any case, they are not the cause of internal class divisons and conflict, and are miinor. Further, the point with communism is that it is teh progression to better state of communism (Even primitive societies have division of labour mostly in the form of procreation- which would not eixist under socialsim...)
: > (Ps. Socialism would abolish the government and money....)

: Even tribal societies have government and money. Government in the form of elders and traditional tabus, and money in the form of food, clothes, or any other kind of wealth.

Well, according to Marxisn economics the direct exchange of produce does not count as the exchange of commodities, or as money. And again, pretty much in many teh produce is freely shared...




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