INFO-ATARI16 Digest Sat, 9 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 783 Today's Topics: Hard drive kits. Which one? prototype cartridge board, and (A few random thoughts) Spectre Sound TimeWork's DeskTop Publisher version 1.1 help tv show and the Mega ST What Kermit/UNITERM bugs? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Dec 89 11:10:56 PST From: Cassius_Gaius_Longinus@cc.sfu.ca Subject: Hard drive kits. Which one? Message-ID: <1963352@cc.sfu.ca> Hi. How that I know I can send to the list, and hope that it makes it to the usenet as well, I have a couple questions. First, I have managed to put together enough $$ for a hard drive. What I would like to know is, which of the kits is better, the ICD, the Supra, or the BMS one. I realize thatit is somewhat difficult to say if you only had one of them, but what is the general feeling on the net. Also, what about drives. I think I want a seagate "ST296N", but the "ST277R" also looks good.OY(K which one do you people think it would be better - appart from the 20 meg extra storage of the 296, which I might not really need, but it's nice to have. Also, if the 277 is the choice, do I get the "XT" or the "AT" kit, or just the bare drive? Second, after having received all the parts (all 21 of them) for the GNUemacs from the Panathrea server, I found out that the 'emacs' file was corrupted. All other 'unzooed' ok, and even the emacs one did, but gave me a warning, and wouln't load. So, would a kind sould mail but gave me a warning, and wouln't load. So, would a kind soul mail me the 'emacs' file. Also, is there a better editor that I should perhaps look at? Thanks, and sorry to have gone on for so long but this IS my first 'real' post. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? BITNET: usereaxe@sfu; INTERNET/ARPA: cassius_longinus@cc.sfu.ca ? ? UUCP:..!ubc-cs!cc.sfu.ca!cassius_longinus; or a1254@mindlink.uucp ? ? CIS: 73040,2210; ? ? Standard disclaimer: ? ? Since I work for myself, I stand behind my words! SO there... ? ? Standard cute remark: ? ?"Delay in the use of force, and hesitation to accept responsibility? ?for its employment when the situation clearly demands it, will ? ?always be interpreted as a weakness. Such indecision will encourage? ?further disorder and will eventually necessitate measures more ? ?severe than those which would have sufficed in the first instance" ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 89 15:42:22 GMT From: uvm-gen!pegram@uunet.uu.net (pegram r) Subject: prototype cartridge board, and (A few random thoughts) Message-ID: <1359@uvm-gen.UUCP> From article <1220@electro.UUCP>, by ignac@electro.UUCP (Ignac Kolenko): writes: (earlier comments and interesting digitizer project deleted) > while on the subject of cartridges: does ANYONE know of where you can get > ** real ** prototype boards for the atari's cartridge port???? > -- > =====Ignac A. Kolenko (The Ig) watmath!watcgl!electro!ignac===== > co-author of QuickST, and the entire line of Quick Shareware!!!! > "I don't care if I don't win, 'cause I don't care if I fail" > from 'Youth Of Today' by SUBURBAN DISTORTION I haven't gotten the latest E. Arthur Brown Catalog in, but they used to carry such a board (or boards). The one I'm thinking of had the bus completely buffered, all you needed to add was your circuit on the rest of the board. EABCO (shorthand for the above company) may also have had an adaptor board that allowed a Radio Shack (non-metric contact spacing) proto-board to plug onto the bus directly. I don't have their address, in any case it was posted here recently(2x). I don't know if they ship overseas, but they provide *very* good service. There were more sources for protoboards (I too wanted to use the cart port for my Sr. EE. project, used the parallel port instead 8-)), but they disappeared fast. Bob Pegram (pegram@griffin.uvm-gen.uvm.edu) On another topic: P.S. Steve Yelvington: (provider of EABCO address) I lost my flaming reply to your mention of EABCO (just as well 8-)). I buy from EABCO, I have and use WordWriter's outliner, I will look into getting foldEd, who's name is suggestive of what I want. I meant to say that there was a small and shrinking amt of *large* *world-class* S/W applications (in the USA). Only in desktop publishing and music does the ST have leading applications (and healthy competition), maybe there are a few other examples. I get envious when I see what PCs and MACs can run. We not only get no new or updated apps, we have maybe 1 std. app for each major area (Word Processing, SpreadSheet,, etc.)and commercial programming languages and tools are disappearing (no Modula2 to buy, no Forth either) without the useful/trendy new replacements (e.g. no OOPs, see earlier queries on the net for G++). Shareware and Pd S/W don't count, they're what sustains "dead" computers (see US Computer Shopper's orphan computers section). I want suggestions as to what *large* type of program do netters (and friends) want/need that isn't available in native mode for the ST. Naturally, we also need suggestions on how to make those dreams come true (maybe more imports??!). If there are ways that non-commercial S/W can do the job I'd like to hear about it, but I fear that we'll open Pandora's Box with that one. RBP III (pegram@griffin.uvm-gen.uvm.edu ) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 89 22:18:14 GMT From: well!dsmall@apple.com (David Small) Subject: Spectre Sound Message-ID: <14881@well.UUCP> The base note asks if Spectre GCR can handle Mac sound. (I'll condense it for space reasons). Yes, it can. If selected, the Spectre software will produce sound using the same 370-byte digitized sound buffer the Mac uses. So it bleeps, blonks, and whatnot. SoundMaster works, so you can tie various MacSounds to Mac events (keyclick, beep, disk eject, etc.) Talking Moose works, if you're into that. I'm embarrassed to report that even MacPlaymate sound works (it's not that good, really!). Only exception: the latest Systems (6.0.2/3/4) did sound a different way, and we have some bug that prevents them from thinking they're running on a Mac Plus. It's in the process of being fixed. Sys 3.2 and such work just fine. The "Sound" CDEV will only appear in Mac Plus mode, by the way (ALT +; see manual). -- thanks, Dave / Gadgets by Small "I wish I could come up with something clever to put at the bottom of my messages." ------------------------------ Date: 09 DEC 89 12:11:28 CST From: Z4648252 Subject: TimeWork's DeskTop Publisher version 1.1 help Message-ID: <891209.12112692.027270@SFA.CP6> Hello all, From Panarthea, I just downloaded the converted Macintosh fonts that are in the encoded file. Inside the file were a nice selection of fonts with an accompanying ASSIGN.SYS. I substituted my ASSIGN.SYS with the file's ASSIGN.SYS, ran the WIDTH.APP program and received an "Error Loading Driver File" message or something to that effect. Instead of trying to fight this thing, I'd like to ask others on the net, "What are the ground rules for using a different ASSIGN.SYS?" Obviously, the generous contributor included the appropriate ASSIGN.SYS with these fonts as an aid to keep us from having to edit our former ASSIGN.SYS. Help? Comments, anyone? Larry Rymal: |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 89 21:45:31 GMT From: matthews@umd5.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Subject: tv show and the Mega ST Message-ID: <5759@umd5.umd.edu> In article <891206.19213238.024049@SFA.CP6> Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (Z4648252) writes: >FLASH! > > I just saw on the television the sitcom, Growing Pains. >In plain view of everyone, was a Mega ST during an office scene. Wow! >Gee. Revolution??? > >Larry Rymal: |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| I KNEW I wasn't imagining things!!!! Yeah, I saw it too. My girlfriend just said I was "cute." Mike ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 89 21:32:12 GMT From: phoenix!mpsimon@princeton.edu (M. Patrick Simon) Subject: What Kermit/UNITERM bugs? Message-ID: <12091@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> In article <1333@castle.ed.ac.uk> aimd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Davidson) writes: >In article <89337.135453SML108@PSUVM.BITNET> SML108@PSUVM.BITNET writes: >>On the subject of kermits and ST's... >> >>I also use the Uniterm Kermit to transfer to and from my ST.it works fine wit >>h VAX computer systems, however weird, VERY WEIRD stuff happens with Unixsys- >>tems, both System V and 4.3bsd. It works fine transferring text files, but >>gives a potpourri of errors with binary files. This DOES NOT HAPPEN ON VAXES >[stuff deleted] > >Strange, I've downloaded loads of stuff from a Sys V UNIX machine and it >always works fine - the only time it doesn't is when I forget to set the >'-i' option on the UNIX kermit (for binary mode transfer). There's maybe >something wrong with your UNIX kermit (although I have heard of some >sort of bug in Uniterm's Kermit but it always works OK for me)... > >>Scott Le Grand aka SML108@PSUVM.PSU.EDU > >Mark Davidson I have also had difficulties with Kermit in Uniterm (v2.0b). Downloading works fine, even in binary mode, but uploading does not work fine if there is a communication server present (e.g. something that forces kermit to use 8th bit prefixing, or whatever that's called). I know this is a bug in Uniterm's implementation of kermit because another kermit I have for the ST will do those same uploads correctly. From the discussion here, it does not sound as if this bug has been fixed in later versions. --Patrick Simon mpsimon@phoenix.princeton.edu p.s. I had even more difficulties with transfer until I set the Unix end kermit's parity correctly. This can be done in the kermit initialization file, so you don't need to check it each time. p.p.s. I use uniterm all the time, and really appreciate the effort Simon Poole has put into this program. ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #783 *****************************************