Message #204 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 09 Feb 92 22:08:10 From : Enno Borgsteede To : Koos Kuil Subj : (129) Re: PC - ST Hallo Koos, In a msg of <07 Feb 92>, Koos Kuil writes to Enno Borgsteede: KK> You'll have it right, windows on the PC are very slowly That's NOT what I meant. High resolution graphics is slow on most ISA machines. MS Windows suffers from that. KK> I find the windows on the Atari ST good enough. I don't. KK> It's also very cumbersome. Do you really know MS Windows? It's got so much more than GEM that I can hardly do without. It's not so fast and simple, but by functionality it is a whole lot better. I program for Windows, and I like it. groeten! Enno --- GoldED 2.31p * Origin: ST QuickBBS Haarlem - ABC - meer dan een Atari BBS (2:281/202.7) Message #205 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 09 Feb 92 07:07:00 From : Vincent Partington To : Hans-Ch Eckert % MAUS B Subj : (67) Re: uniterm In a message of <04 Feb 92 02:56:00>, Hans-Ch Eckert % MAUS B (2:242/2.6) writes: GG>> Surely the WHOLE HEART of Y modem is that it is a batch protocol GG>> ??? HE> HE> Well, there is some trouble involved insofar as some people can't HE> distinguish HE> one protocol from another. So the batching Ymodem is often called HE> Ymodem-G after the option of some comm-prg and in this program there HE> also exists (existed?) an option Ymodem that denoted Xmodem-1k in HE> reality. This ought to be history, but these things do have a HE> tendency to creep up long HE> after their time, you know... Hi Hans-Ch(ristian?), Ymodem-G is a special version of Ymodem for nullmodemlinks or error checking links (line MNP-5) Because all these kinds of links provide an error-free transfer, Ymodem-G has absolutely *no* error recovery. That is, the sender sends a normal bock with a CRC, but it doesn't wait for the other side to acknowledge the block. That way, transfer goes a little quicker (Zmodem-like), especially with long line turnaround times. If the receiver does get a wrong CRC, it will immidiately terminate the transfer. Cheerio! Vincent Partington (Visible Perversion of Insignia) --- * Origin: Mijn hele vlinderverzameling voor fl10,- !!! (2:281/202.15) Message #206 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 09 Feb 92 07:11:26 From : Vincent Partington To : Peter Kocourek Subj : (76) Re: MT-Tos. In a message of <06 Feb 92 17:24:24>, Peter Kocourek (2:282/301.17) writes: PK> In a message of <02 Feb 92 22:55:04>, Pascal Haakmat (2:281/202.13) PK> writes: PK> FA>>> The MiNT way, probably. It should even implement memory protection, FA>>> PH>> PH>> The good way, thus, not the sloppy Mac way ... PK> PK> What's sloppy about Mac memory protection? The MAC-way of multi-tasking is by events. A program has to release ALL porcessor time to another program by calling an event loop (like EVNT_MULTI on ST). It works quite OK when all programs are doing nothing but waiting for user input, but when one program wants to do a lot of calculations (like raytracing) it has to incorporate events whre it doesn't really want to do anything else. Also, for some things, there just aren't any events. Although serial I/O doesn't really require that much time, it can't be done 'in the background' 'coz there's no event for serial I/O. Multitasking system that just give each program their share of time, like the Amiga, don't have the problem with programs not wanting to release their time. The problems with the events is also gone. Cheerio! Vincent Partington (Visible Perversion of Insignia) --- * Origin: Mijn hele vlinderverzameling voor fl10,- !!! (2:281/202.15) Message #215 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 09 Feb 92 22:26:10 From : Paulo Laureano To : Enno Borgsteede Subj : (204) Re: PC - ST *In a message dated 06 Feb 92 08:05:34 Enno Borgsteede writes: EB> Hallo Paulo, EB> EB> In a msg of <05 Feb 92>, Pascal Haakmat writes to Paulo Laureano: EB> EB> PL>> Remember that most PC's around using VGA are a lot faster than EB> the EB> PL>> standart ST... so, a 800x600x256 colours display in a 386dx 33 EB> mhz is EB> PL>> a LOT faster than a 640x400x2 on the ST. EB> EB> This can't be true. I have a 25 MHz 386 DX, with Windows running in EB> 800x600 x256. It's very slow compared to the ST in monochrome mode. EB> So slow that I only use 256 colors if I really need them. Even 16 EB> color mode is slower than the ST. EB> It is true on 33mhz PC with a decent VGA card (sorry). a 256 colours screen uses 6 times mor memory than a equivalent 2 colours screen, the ST is working on a lot more than the display as well as the PC the BIG diference is that the 386dx at 33mhz is a LOT faster than the 68000. EB> PH> Well, maybe. I haven't got enough PC experience to judge it EB> quite EB> PH> honestly. EB> EB> I do have the experience, and the technical knowledge. Like most EB> PC's mine is accessing the VGA-card through a genuine AT-bus, EB> running at 8 (eight) MHz. That's about the same speed as the ST uses EB> on its data bus. EB> Since the VGA-card uses a lot more memory than the ST-display and it EB> doesn't run much faster the screen update MUST be slower. This is EB> why in the Windows echo people are so anxious to get VGA-cards with EB> highly optimized drivers or even built-in graphics coprocessors. The bus is not very important when you compare the source of the data, and when that source is a 8mhz (16bit output) 68000 in one case, and a 33mzh (full 32 bit) processor on the other. Even with a 8mhz bus the PC feeds it with a lot more data in a quite shorter period of time. Windows is SLOW, I am *not* even talking about windows. VGA cards are adressed and used outside windows. If windows was a near-decent piece of software we could use it as a base for testings, but windows is allways slow on whatever graphic modes you use. Even a 386dx using unix and xwindows (also slow, but a lot faster then windows) is a lot faster using 800x600x256 than a ST. I don't know about whatever graphic boards you may be using, but I also use a 25 mhz 386 sometimes and its no doubt faster. PLS --- Paragon v2.0858 * Origin: BAT BBS * ShareWare HQ * 351-1-705070 (2:362/4) Message #217 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' (Rec'd) Date : 10 Feb 92 23:54:04 From : Peter Kocourek To : Swavek Jabrzemski Subj : (87) Re: FSM - is there such a thing? In a message of <08 Feb 92 18:29:34>, Swavek Jabrzemski (3:712/520.3) writes: SJ> I recently got a fax from GST listing all the new features of SJ> Timeworks Publisher 2 upgrade, but conspicuously making no mention of SJ> a product known by the name (and thus far the name only!) of FSM GDOS. SJ> So, I asked them why. Here's what they replied: SJ> SJ> "The new version of the product is not FSM GDOS compatible. To date we SJ> have only been supplied with a beta copy of FSM GDOS. When we receive SJ> a viable copy of the product and are advised of a confirmed release SJ> date we will work towards compatibility." SJ> SJ> And that comes from the developer of a product which Atari itself was SJ> for many, many months bundling with their computers as THE DTP SJ> SOLUTION! That's also why I think that all Atari users should support SJ> their software developers (by buing the products), who continue doing SJ> it in spite of what appears like Atari's efforts to DISCOURAGE them! I think we are seeing here a prime example of Atari marketing and strategic policy making. If one of the Tramiels had the clarity of vision, he would write a book about it, which then could be used as a text book of how not to go about selling your products in an MBA course. Over here, we have just seen the release of the Dutch translation of Timeworks DTP, version 1.something a few months ago. This dated back to a promise of Atari's from 1987 that there would be a Dutch translation "soon" and Atari of course kept its word, if not its schedule. The intervening time was well spent, for the magazine reviewers had a field day with it. Not only was the help file entirely incorrect, the terminology used was incredibly confusing and sometimes plain wrong, but to crown it all, the famous demo document "Professional DTP without the price" was translated too. They managed to garble the headline with a glaring grammatical error... when one of the reviewers asked Atari about this, they hadn't even noticed. SJ> On another note, have you seen XBoot? I just got mine from Gribnif Yes, I have. Briefly. SJ> range), and it took me all of 10 minutes to realise that it is light SJ> years ahead of its competition. GET IT NOW. I will consider this. Please fill out the required forms in triplicate. YHS:QSI! --- Bermuda v1.00 * Origin: On & On & On: The Bright Blue No Turning Back Point (2:282/301.17) Message #218 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' (Rec'd) Date : 11 Feb 92 16:48:38 From : Peter Kocourek To : Swavek Jabrzemski Subj : (89) Re: Spectre and removable In a message of <08 Feb 92 19:32:52>, Swavek Jabrzemski (3:712/520.3) writes: SJ> I'm not sure that I follow. All of my SyQuest Mac cartridges (and in SJ> fact a few of my Atari cartridges as well!) have been formatted on a SJ> Mac (the only disadvantage being that you lose some 4 Mb of storage SJ> this way), and some of them are even being regularly used on both No necessarily. Of you use SilverLining's formatter, this disk space should remain useable. There was also some trick with Disk First Aid to regain this space, but I can't remember what it was... YHS:QSI! --- Bermuda v1.00 * Origin: On & On & On: The Bright Blue No Turning Back Point (2:282/301.17) Message #219 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 16:55:44 From : Peter Kocourek To : michael smith Subj : (135) Re: The New Falcon! In a message of <06 Feb 92 18:38:30>, michael smith (3:680/842) writes: PK>> So we'll have a games console with an 68030? Isn't that overdoing it PK>> a bit? ms> ms> Not when it has a CD-ROM drive as well... A games console with 32-bit color, DSP sound, 68030, CD-ROM... give me a break! YHS:QSI! --- Bermuda v1.00 * Origin: On & On & On: The Bright Blue No Turning Back Point (2:282/301.17) Message #220 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 09 Feb 92 11:29:10 From : Gianfranco Marino To : Andrew Hardwick Subj : Re: ansi editors In a message of <02 Feb 92 13:56>, CLIFFORD COOK (2:258/59) writes: CC> Unforunately I dont know of any good ST ansi editors one solution CC> could be a copy of PC Ditto then you could run a very good PC ed CC> called The draw Cliff Try No Pro: it's a shareware program I found (I think) on 310/3 and it is for ansi animations. Ciao, Gianfranco --- TIDY_UP 1.31 6f9e * Origin: DEUS bbs - Livorno, Italy (2:332/604.4) Message #221 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 10 Feb 92 23:10:56 From : Giacomo Cocchella To : CLIFFORD COOK Subj : (66) Re: ansi editors In a message of <02 Feb 92 13:56>, CLIFFORD COOK (2:258/59) writes: CC> Unforunately I dont know of any good ST ansi editors one solution could No, there is a good ANSI editor working on ST... Ask to Gianfranco Marino, my friend, on 2:332/604.4 Fidonet or 90:8001/503 NeST. See ya... Giacomo Cocchella --- TIDY_UP 1.31 e9bc * Origin: I'm a point of DEUS BBS Livorno (Italy) (2:332/604.7) Message #222 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 12 Feb 92 17:42:20 From : Pascal Haakmat To : michael smith Subj : (138) Re: The New Falcon! In a message of <06 Feb 92 18:48:16>, michael smith (3:680/842) writes: ms> than actual fact. So far, its my understanding that jaguar is a ms> chipset, and the panther is just one system using it. Well ... The Panther, I believe, was a 16 MHz 68000 games console by Atari that was finished, but never released, and now they're developing (I don't know how far they are ...) the 64 bit RISC Jaguar ... Still, it will probably end up being a totally overhyped 32 or perhaps even 32 bit thingie ... So long, Pascal. --- * Origin: No! Go away! Leave me alone! Stop it! (2:281/202.13) Message #224 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 20:41:28 From : Sam Przyswa To : Michael Fung Subj : (116) Re: Music and Sex In a message of <03 Feb 92 00:00:58>, Michael Fung (6:600/15) writes: MT>> I am a guitar player, I use Ibanez 540 Roadstar MT>> with a Korg A3 into a Mesa/Boogie studio pre amp into a MT>> Mesa/Boogie power amp driving a Australian made 2x12" speakers in a MT>> half Marshall type half Quad. MF> MF> I am mixed up in a band as well. We use Fender leads and Honer bass. MF> However, we have not looked into the MIDI side of things although it MF> does seem promising with an Atari. Hello Singapore and Australia !!! I'm Sysop of Rock'n Jazz BBS in Paris-France, BBS orientated Music & Midi. I have two Atari ST 4Mo, one for the BBS, one for Music/Midi, I Use Cubase V2.0 Sequencer, we have created the European Midi-Link between several Midi-BBS (Holland, Germany, Italy, England and France) we also receive the MidiLink Musician's Network Echomail from USA. If you need some help in Midi feel free... Electronic Greetings. -Sam Przyswa- << Rock'n Jazz BBS >> 33-1-40 54 86 04 E-Mail : sam.przyswa@linn.fidonet.org --- LED 1.00t * Origin: << Rock'n Jazz BBS >> Paris France (33)1/4054 8604 (2:320/102.1) Message #225 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 20:59:56 From : Sam Przyswa To : Michael Fung Subj : (121) Re: Say! MiNT really works! In a message of <03 Feb 92 00:20:36>, Michael Fung (6:600/15) writes: MF> I have tried out MiNT before and it does work. However, I get really MF> annoyed by the screen messing up and keystrokes getting relayed to MF> programs that you want to stay in the background. For one, I cannot MF> run PCommand from it... And it would probably slow the system down so MF> much that a 14.4 would not transfer properly... I used MiNT with KSH V4.1 as shell and it work fine, I tested the system with two tasks in background, redirected I/O on file as "program [command] > file" and WordPlus in foreground without problems. But I know that all GFA programs does't work with MiNT. Greetings. -Sam Przyswa- --- LED 1.00t * Origin: << Rock'n Jazz BBS >> Paris France (33)1/4054 8604 (2:320/102.1) Message #226 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 21:13:18 From : Sam Przyswa To : Petr Jandik Subj : (197) Re: Re: Piccy Formats In a message of <01 Feb 92 10:15:46>, Petr Jandik (2:420/14.6) writes: PJ> MROS is not ane special operatong system for Cubase & company, but PJ> only addition system for task switching. All the programs are able to PJ> run on normal TOS separately. With MROS you can add some multitasking PJ> features. Hi Petr, an other Cubase's user ! as me, do you receive some Music/Midi echomail ? I'm Sysop of "Rock'n Jazz BBS" in Paris, what is your Midi setup ? See you... -Sam Przyswa- --- LED 1.00t * Origin: << Rock'n Jazz BBS >> Paris France (33)1/4054 8604 (2:320/102.1) Message #227 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 12 Feb 92 18:44:26 From : Franck Arnaud To : michael smith Subj : taiwanboxes In a message of <06 Feb 92 18:39:12>, michael smith (3:680/842) writes: [About taiwanboxes] ms> People with any common sense are still buying computers for as much ms> as twice what you _can_ get them for, simply because they'd like them ms> to last at least the three years it will take them to depreciate the nice thing with taiwan boxes is that every thing can be easily replaced. the mother board died? just gotta buy a new one at the shop down the street. even if you have to replace the whole machine in the 3 years, it's still cheaper than a big-name one, and you have an up-to-date box at the end of the 3 years :-) btw, taiwan boxes are using the same chipsets and hd than the big names anyway. And bignames can have problems too (my mega ste power supply just died last week). franck. --- Bermuda v1.00 Li * Origin: --==> Linn <==-- Paris Europe (2:320/100) Message #228 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 12 Feb 92 10:36:36 From : Mike De.Petris To : Thorsten Schulze Subj : (155) Re: ACS and 1mega520TOS1.0 In a message of <06 Feb 92 18:25:08>, Thorsten Schulze (2:241/5605) writes: GC>>> Why do you use 4kbuf if Binkley have a own trasmit and receive GC>>> buffers ? MD>> It is needed by QuickBBS ! 8^) TS> For what does QuickBBS need it ??????? 4x2 K buffers for file transfers, as they told me. Ciao, ** Mike **s --- TIDY_UP 1.31 5d11 * Origin: Atarian ST - TS! [+39-40-768412] (2:333/608) Message #229 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 01:26:08 From : Ondra Cada To : Iain Paton Subj : (21) Re: 68881/68882 In a message of <27 Jan 92 06:15:08>, Iain Paton (2:259/5) writes: GG>> I'm sure that I read (Oh years ago in PCW ) that the difference GG>> between the Intel and Motorolla Math Co pros was that the latter GG>> DIDN'T have to be GG>> written for especially and that any program would be passed to GG>> them automatically. IP> IP> Not really possible, if I write my own specific piece of code for IP> floating point that doesn't use a co pro, it won't even if one is IP> present. I think they probably meant that a program which installed As far as I know it's _both_ true. Of course, a program _must_ be designed to use copro. But, on Motorola you can put in software emulator (at LineF), which _fully_ emulates copro. Program needn't know anything 'bout real configiration - if copro is real or emulated. On Intel you theoretically can do the same; but to be effective program _must_ chcek itself if copro is present or not and _self_modify_ its code to support both cases. (I am not too much sure 'bout Intels - years ago I've study them; maybe I've forgotten something serious.) Bye, xx OC --- LED 1.00 [BYE 0.35] * Origin: OC's point, Prague, Czechoslovakia (2:420/14.4) Message #230 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 01:35:08 From : Ondra Cada To : Iain Paton Subj : (22) Re: GEMULATOR In a message of <27 Jan 92 06:22:36>, Iain Paton (2:259/5) writes: IP> designers run it up to 12Mhz). A VGA card in _text_ mode is many IP> times faster than the ST's mono as they only have to shift a couple nono. VGA in text mode _CAN_ be many times faster. But, my own benchmarks proved that standard 8MHz mono ST in its pseudo-text mode (VT-52 emu) is lightly faster than 12MHz AT/286 with VGA card in text mode. Reason? _Horribly_ slow BIOS+DOS screen i/o services on PCs. Of course, writing directly to VRAM on PC in text mode you easily can overrun ST graphics. Bye, xx OC --- LED 1.00 [BYE 0.35] * Origin: OC's point, Prague, Czechoslovakia (2:420/14.4) Message #233 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 01:57:56 From : Ondra Cada To : Peter Kocourek Subj : (36) Re: GEMULATOR In a message of <02 Feb 92 23:39:12>, Peter Kocourek (2:282/301.17) writes: PK> No, it was a 386SX running Windows 3... it was quite ridiculously ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Puhhhhh! Windows3 are such a slow software I've never seen anything like it. You cannot be surprised it's slow. Windows3 really _CAN_ run even on 86 or 286 (btw, at same freq is 286 faster than 386SX), but they are said to be usable _ONLY_ at 486 or 386DX with more than 20 MHz .... Throw Windows into shredder, try to install GEM on your PC and compare _its_ speed with ST (with or without NVDI). Bye, xx OC --- LED 1.00 [BYE 0.35] * Origin: OC's point, Prague, Czechoslovakia (2:420/14.4) Message #234 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 10 Feb 92 21:32:22 From : Tomas Hurka To : George Gallagher Subj : (101) Re: 68881/68882 Hi George, In a message of <25 Jan 92 21:26:30>, George Gallagher (2:259/2.2) writes: GG> I'm sure that I read (Oh years ago in PCW ) that the difference GG> between the Intel and Motorolla Math Co pros was that the latter GG> DIDN'T have to be ^^^^^^ GG> written for especially and that any program would be passed to them GG> automatically. GG> Comments ?? That cannot be true, since TOS hasn't any system calls for using math-coprocessor. Moreover Motorola's CPU 680x0 hasn't special instruction for math-coprocessor like Intel 80x86 has. Registers of 68881 is like other peripherals devices mapped to memory. Its four registers (according to ATARI ST Profibuch) are on $FFA40 (Status register, FPstat) $FFA4A (Command register, FPcmd) $FFA4E (Condition code reg., FPccr) $FFA50 (Operand register, FPop) Bye Tom --- LED 1.00 * Origin: Hukatronic point, Prague, Czechoslovakia (2:420/14.2) Message #235 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' (Rec'd) Date : 11 Feb 92 13:19:56 From : Tomas Hurka To : Swavek Jabrzemski Subj : Re: HELP - question time Hi Swavek, In a message of <03 Feb 92 02:23:26>, Swavek Jabrzemski (3:712/520.3) writes: SJ> 2. Nobody could help me with how to check if a math co-processors is SJ> present or not, and if so - whether it's working or perhaps busted OK, here is routine _FpuInit. It is test for FPU from TurboC. Unfortunatelly _FpuInit is a library function, so I haven't it in source code. This is only disassbled version. _FpuInit MOVE.L A2,-(A7) PEA BUS_ERR(PC) MOVE.W #2,-(A7) MOVE.W #5,-(A7) TRAP #13 ADDQ.W #8,A7 MOVE.L D0,-(A7) PEA SUPER(PC) MOVE.W #$26,-(A7) TRAP #14 ADDQ.W #6,A7 MOVE.W #2,-(A7) MOVE.W #5,-(A7) TRAP #13 ADDQ.W #8,A7 MOVEA.L (A7)+,A2 RTS SUPER MOVEA.L A7,A0 TST.W $FFFFFA40.W MOVE.W #$8080,$44022 MOVE.W #3,$FFFFFA42.W LOOP1 CMPI.W #$802,$FFFFFA40.W BNE.S LOOP1 MOVE.W #$9000,$FFFFFA4A.W LOOP2 CMPI.W #$9504,$FFFFFA40.W BNE.S LOOP2 MOVEQ #0,D0 MOVE.L D0,$FFFFFA50.W RTS BUSS_ERR MOVEA.L A0,A7 MOVE.W #$D,$44022 RTS Routine returns 0xD in memory location 0x44022 if FPU isn't present, otherwise returns 0x8080. I don't know how good you are in reading assembler code, so if you have any question, let me know. Another way is to use TurboC, which really use FPU (if it is present) for float and double arithmetic operation and measure the speed. The speed-up factor could be about 100. SJ> Hence my desperate call for HELP! Could someone please enlighten me SJ> on these two questions? I hope it helps you a little. Bye Tom --- LED 1.00 * Origin: Hukatronic point, Prague, Czechoslovakia (2:420/14.2) Message #236 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 11 Feb 92 13:58:20 From : Tomas Hurka To : Pascal Haakmat Subj : (147) Re: Supercomputers! Hi Pascal, In a message of <06 Feb 92 18:54:52>, Pascal Haakmat (2:281/202.13) writes: PH> Does anybody have some details about the latest generation of PH> supercomputers? I don't need it, really, but I'm very curious ... How PH> many MHz do they usually run on (that is, if something like MHz still PH> exists on those monsters!), how many bit-computers are they, etc ... Last year I read in Time no.45 a small article about supercomputer CONNECTION MACHINE 5. It is the latest supercomputer from Thinking Machines. It is based on massive parallelism and has a modular design that can be configurated with anywhere from 32 to 16384 processors. At maximum power CM-5 could deliver a peak speed of two teraFLOPS. They write that CM-5 is the speediest computer in the world, having bettered the most powerful Crays on some problems by a factor of 100. Using todays components at current price, such a 16384-processor machine would fill a room the size of a small gymnasium and cost $200 million. :-)))) Bye Tom --- LED 1.00 * Origin: Hukatronic point, Prague, Czechoslovakia (2:420/14.2) Message #237 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 12 Feb 92 22:50:42 From : Peter Hobson To : All Subj : Artists and music persons... Any one out there interested in getting involved with new and exciting (honest) licensware projects?? We need a good artist and music type person urgently so please get in touch. Peter Hobson TDZ Software Co. -- QuickBBS ST v1.06+ --- /\/\idas v1.00 * Origin: >>> Magnum BBS <<< The-Box -=- QuickBBS-ST (2:255/313.0) Message #238 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 15 Feb 92 01:44:48 From : Swavek Jabrzemski To : Michael Fung Subj : (119) Re: Uniterm V2.0c MF> Just like I have problems connecting with ACE BBS... his v32 modem does MF> not seem to like mine... we always connect without MNP after much MF> difficulty and the connection is highly unreliable... One possible explanation for that might be the fact that our MNP is turned off (when turned on, it also automatically turns on a cache which than - true to form - proceeds to cache hot keys, thus effectively disabling them; the modem mob has since fixed that, but to get the upgrade you have to pay for it (as they refuse to acknowledge that it was a bug to start with), so right now we're tossing between that and perhaps getting another modem, which is not only cheaper but also has MNP 4 + 5 as well as V.42bis (which incidentally is what I just upgraded my own Faxmodem to) and apparently will soon have an option to add a fax feature to it, possibly supporting fast fax protocol to boot). So, have patience, it'll be fixed one way or another possibly within the next two weeks or so (plus tomorrow I'll be adding a new 200 Mb drive). --- ComScan v1.00 TB/ST * Origin: /|\ - The Missing Link (3:712/520.3) Message #240 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 15 Feb 92 01:45:14 From : Swavek Jabrzemski To : Peter Kocourek Subj : (73) Re: Fonts and Stuff PK> I know the feeling. ) Everybody keeps telling me to throw away all the PK> garbage from my System Folder, which is nearly 17 megabytes in size. Mine is awfully close to that figure as well; I trim it down every so often, but before I know it... :-) PK> Don't you use Suitcase? I find it much handier for fonts and DAs than PK> standard Apple way of using the Font/DA mover. Suitcase somes in PK> especially handy if you use ATM. You don't have to put the vector fonts PK> in the System Folder for ATM to find 'em, but you can leave them in the PK> same folder the NFNT is in. Of course I do (use Suitcase), doesn't everyone? Except for the few that use Font/DA juggler, that it? But what's NFNT, what does it do, and why do you need it (or are you referring to the invisible resource file that contains all the font information, like the id number etc.)? I thought that especially the new, 4.1 Font/DA mover takes care of all that automatically, and all the current fonts are in the NFNT format? SJ>> Comes with a 828-page Users Guide, 136-page Getting Started book, 100- SJ>> page Equation Editor, and on 6 disks, including an Installer PK> It's beginning to look like a MessyDOS program, where manuals are PK> measured in metric tons, rather pages. The main difference being, of course, that you don't have to read the manual to use the program, unless you want to use its sophisticated, high power features. With Word Perfect 5 for the PC, the furthest I ever got was the totally BLANK screen you get after executing that PATHETIC excuse for a word processor (notwithstanding the fact that after a year of daily use, aided by elephant memory and a bedsheet size 15-color coded overlay you can actually produce quite amazing results, but is the effort worth it?). --- ComScan v1.00 TB/ST * Origin: /|\ - The Missing Link (3:712/520.3) Message #241 of 241 on 'European Atari Echo' Date : 14 Feb 92 14:07:30 From : Kay Vesperman To : Pascal Haakmat Subj : Re: Supercomputers! The most startling info I have on supercomputers is that BHP Research bought a US$300,000 air-cooled Cray! First private organisation to own a Cray. Kay. --- QuickBBS ST v1.06 * Origin: Where on Earth is Queensland? (3:711/438.2) (90:7000/105.0) End of Messages.