======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 71 11/27/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: iWinDbg debugger ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: iWinDbg debugger Thanks to Mr. Fravia's references in his latest lesson I've got iWinDbg and some other SDK utilities. I don't have the SDK kit: it is too expensive for me. It is the first time I get know about it ("Copyright Microsoft 1981-1995", for Windows NT). Mr. Fravia names it as "a very powerful debugger". But why he didn't mention it in his previous lessons? Nor in "The tools of the trade" of his Website. I hope he will speak more about that utility and how he proposes to use it. The debugger has a Help file, rather confused. But before examining that utility, I would like to gather more references. Has anybody of you used it? What is your opinion? Another SDK utility I've got is Apimon.exe (monitor of API calls), which persistantly claims the presence of Psapi.dll, though I have put it in the same folder. Very capricious and without any Help file. My greetings to all readers, AZ111. =====End of Issue 71==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 72 11/28/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: The suspence is getting to much !! #2 Subject: possible problem with the corel crack? #3 Subject: +ORC riddle #4 Subject: +gthorne ??? ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: The suspence is getting to much !! Hi all Don't know about you but I can't take this waiting anymore): To those who know please tell us were the +ORC site is. I might be able to add some very interesting stuff... The OLD RED CRACKER might be Grey ... and from (PTA)... Bye ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: possible problem with the corel crack? Hi all! I've just received an interesting email from someone, informing me that there may be a problem with the corel crack I made - apparently, if you patch all the components of the Corel Suite 8 package (eg Quattro Pro, WordPerfect etc) and then try to run them *simultaenously* the protection snaps :-( I tried this on Corel Suite 8 but it worked fine for me - so has anybody else had this problem? If not, can you try to run a few packages together and see if it works? Thanks... Cya, +ReZiDeNt -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: +ORC riddle On 16 Nov 97 at 7:22, +HCU ML wrote: > Now that we know what should be done with the solution, I'm > free to inform you that the solution to the riddle HAS been found. > Very soon, you will find the solution to +ORCs riddle, the > addresses of his two remaining "gates", and the location of his > web-site at: > > ************************************** > > If you intend to solve the riddle yourself, you should avoid > the link mentioned above. > > Hackmore Not to complain, but I did check out the link, and the solution is still announced for 'a few days from now'..... when is it really going to be published? WAFNA -----#4------------------------------------------------- Subject: +gthorne ??? Hail AZ111: Guess most of us were too busy, leaving you the only poster for ML#71. Most of MS stuff is 'awfully' powerful. I guess that is one reason why most of us avoid it and use our poor man's tools such as SoftIce, WDasm89, and of course the lowly rated IDA Pro 3.7 (which we all want to keep a secret and can't afford). There are lots of tools you can have out on the web for free, but who got time to investigate them all. By reading the essays at fravia+ you get all you need to know on how to use the above three tools effectively with working examples. "But why he didn't mention it in his previous lessons?" Well if you remember seeing his Microsoft Hostile applet at his site, I wouldn't put it pass him that he is redirecting the losers and lamers there. As you have so elegantly stated, "their help files are of no help at all" which also say a lot for their development tools. Check out Mammon's essays and web site (and links mentioned in the previous Mail Lists). Thanks to them and others, that's the best way to get started. Hail All: I was evaluating IDA and wanted to try out the TASM compilation as suggested by IDA with TASM /ml/m5. One of my project was to take a program that I had written and decompile it with IDA. With the source codes, it was easier to trace and figure out the IDA environment for debugging without the manuals. You can add, edit, delete functions and features, output the result to an asm listing to recompile. Not a bad idea to eliminate the crap out of most programs. I was going to download a copy of TASM5 from +gthorne to test this feature on. So what's with +gthorne's storage link at ******************************************* My server keeps repeating that it was not responding or that it was down. When I try to get at it via Lord Caligo's link to the same address, I get the same message. Did he get bombed before leaving for his holiday or is it my stupid IP? Last email up post, the IP told me it didn't send my email, but it did. I sent it again before receiving the ML, so it was sent in double. Makes me look like the fool that I am for believing it. TIA. wlc =====End of Issue 72==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 73 11/29/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: The Orc Info... ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: The Orc Info... Friends; It seems some of you have missed the new +ORC page, or haven't visited the site recently. By the time you read this, the new page has been up for four days. You'll find it at: ************************************** You'll have to be patient though. Nobody bothered to answer my questions when I asked you how this information should be presented. So my friend and I figured nobody at HCU was that interested. As a result, it was decided to release the information slowly, so that "other" (non-HCU) people would get a chance to "solve" the riddle themselves. I can assure you, the riddle HAS been solved, and the web-page HAS been located. But those of you who expected to find +ORC sitting on the web-page, waving hello to you, are out of luck. "+ORC" is still a mystery, but his two remaining "gates" have fallen, and his "camp" has been discovered. Hackmore Readrite =====End of Issue 73==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 74 11/30/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: Re: +HCU ML Issue 64 #2 Subject: MazeMap Program Source #3 Subject: comments ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: +HCU ML Issue 64 Hello all of +HCUlist... > #1 Subject: 2k Party and FTP > -----#1------------------------------------------------- > Subject: 2k Party and FTP > > > Fravia and myself would probably go for the idea of a party - we > both love a good beer :) > > +ORC and our original HCU counterpart(s) are always an enigma however. > I think that even if we did figure out who +ORC is, and even if he > met Fravia or myself, it would be another ice age before we could > get him to show up. Now.... isn't that a little elitist, especially by someone who has such 'socialist' views? Shouldn't +ORC be normally 'available'. Furthermore, why the ignoring of people who write to him (or to +Fravia, to whom I wrote a letter when I had just begun cracking). IMHO, OK, there are many many lamers around, but isn't it better to chat with them, to explain how things work, etc. rather than just ignoring them? I mean, if we had a crackers 2k party, why shouldn't +ORC showup? OK, he can be an excellent cracker, but that surely wouldn't make him someone 'above' us..... All IMHO, of course..... WAFNA -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: MazeMap Program Source Hail +All: >hi fravia+, >I read wlc's essay and i think this project is a very interesting one. >I think this project is important, and it maybe should not be >developed by a single person but by everybody who'd like to >participate. i for instance do some programming in pascal, too, so i >would very much like taking a look at the source code... it would fit >the spirit of this +pages much more, by the way :-) >if wlc is interested in some sort of colaboration, please give him my >address... >thank you and keep up the great work... >cya >FanTC This above email was sent to fravia+, which he forwarded to me re: the submission to his student page on the project worked on by myself and +.MaLaTTia. a short while back, and donated to fravia+ for general release. Needless to say, this was only a rushed solution to test the water and response with source codes slapped together from my other projects around ideas generated between +.MaLaTTia. and myself. In the world of programming, some hang on to source codes like sacred treasures hiding it from the rest of the world. This is also the same program which I used to learn and test the potential of IDA Pro v3.7 with, over the last few days. Using the source codes for comparison, I saw how my compiler works and how IDA handles the disassembly. So what is there to hide? Programing is taking these snippets of codes, rearranging them into a working order and voila, you solved a problem. In keeping with the tradition established by fravia+, I would release the source code freely to anyone in this group upon request if they want to make use of it to enhance the functions of the program or to study it for their own use. Post a request and you've got it. I'm not a conventional programmer so I don't document my codes. I figure that if I don't know what I'm doing, I shouldn't be doing it. If you have questions on how or why the codes are used, I would be more than happy to take the time to explain them. There are many other directions which I could take this project into, but then it would be no fun to do it alone. Collaboration brings out more perspective and detail into focus on a problem and I for one wouldn't mind exploring this project further. Who knows what new aspects and friends we can gain from this? It need not be solely a Turbo Pascal or a Dos based project. +.MaLaTTia. is working on a version in C. Gee! If it was possible and enough of us got together to share our collective knowledge, we would eventually be able to produce the tools we need for our own use. Are we lamers, relying on others for our tools or will the day come when we collectively own and produce the tools we use? My humble release is a step in that direction, thanks to fravia+. wlc ************************ -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: comments Hi to all, esp. TIA. It is regretfull to put emotional comments on participants or companies. Of course, we are not on the same level, and some questions and answers may appear too stupid to more advanced. But we are here to exchange personal technical findings concerning a particular software (bad or good, from Microsoft or elsewhere) FOR OUR PERSONAL NEEDS, if somebody had an experience in dealing with it. I understand feelings of many people face to Microsoft Empire, but it is not here to discuss that subject. It may be that many Microsoft products were made deliberately obscure, huge and clumsy for certain political and commercial purposes (the policy of the "black box", as it calls Mr. Fravia), and we are here to make them more transparent, and not to judge them. And I do not judge anybody at that gathering, nor Mr.Fravia, but try to understand, because everybody has its own aims. For example, as it was mentionned, Mr. Gthorne has left his storage adress invalid, but it may be that the adress is fully valid and operational for him and invalid for others, because he is actually testing new communications and anti-survaillance techniques, with certain filters. It is a new interesting subject, I am not strong in it. Fortunately, Mr. Fravia has begun recently lessons on that subject. With my best regards, AZ111. =====End of Issue 74==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 75 12/01/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: ignoring people, and not answering emails by fravia+ #2 Subject: has the list vanished and more.... #3 Subject: Let's Party! ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: ignoring people, and not answering emails by fravia+ >Shouldn't +ORC be normally 'available'. >Furthermore, why the ignoring of people who write to him (or to >+Fravia, to whom I wrote a letter when I had just begun cracking)... > WAFNA I don't know about +ORC, but I receive more than 200 (two hundred) emails per day, and believe it or not, even with the bloody faq and info.htm page on my site, there are at least TWENTY-THIRTY lamers (I say at least!) asking for a crack or where is softice or what cmp eax means or similar bloody banal things. So many people that imply DO NOT MAKE ANY EFFORT, and don't read, that you get some doubts at time. Even nice people (like me :-) get a little annoyed by this. I have some batch files sorting out this mess and throwing away emails where words like "please could you send" (and other typical lamer phrases) appear. It happens, of course, that some GOOD emails get lost. I cannot help it. WAFNA was not (and is not) on the 'pass everything no matter what they write' list. This has nothing to do with elite (or +HCU), has a lot to do with WHAT one writes and offers and with the limited time amount disponible for all this game. So anyone that wants answers from me better offer something in exchange, like I do when I write myself to somebody... that's normal Netiquette in a world where only knowledge counts. And yes I myself... would probably go for the idea of a party, and would love to meet +gthorne (that I have invited at least twenty times to Europe, btw). I doubt that +ORC (who is reading this, I'm sure) would appear. He promised me long ago a 'meeting' in a 'neutral' location, yet never substantiated this... he is not socialist, IMO, btw, he seems to me on the countrary rather elistist ('aristocrat' he called himself once). This suits me well, I'm rather elitist myself... see Wafna, the problem when you teach is that only a tiny part of the students are worth... and the same is true the other way round... when you learn only a tiny part of the 'masters' are worth. That's the reason we are glad to have found +ORC, with all his (many) defects, I would not swap him for another teacher (yet :-) So let's organise the party, somewhere in Europe, next spring! May be we'll get the elusive +Alistair as well :-) later fravia+ -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: has the list vanished and more.... Hello all, I found that ******************** has an interesting proggie - they archive old web pages, and when you reach a 404 it gets the page from the archive (6 terabytes). Could be nice for us to get our censored pages.... BTW, where's the list????? I haven't received the newsletter in quite a while.... WAFNA -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: Let's Party! Hail +All: Sorry to open up a can of worms with my year 2000 suggestion. If we make it happen and 'they will come.' Fravia+ posted 'AccessMy.HTM' showing access to his site. Scanning the list, we seem to be world wide at quite a few interesting locales. I for one believe that our activity brings out the best in us in spirit more so than any other group or site on the net. Elitists are outnumbered by the genuine seekers of knowledge and the seekers will collectively determine the course of this group. In helping each other we all move forward and we can, in time overtake those currently ahead of us. Where the group collectively move, the rest must follow or be left out. +Orc is not an immortal. He set an example which drove into motion this group. I can respect that and the work done by fravia+ to help assemble us here today as a collective force working together. It will be through our achievements that they will show up. "Show me something new, and I'll send you a lesson." Let's just say, "You wanna to see it? You better show up at our party." We've got the time so let's plan for it and do it. Let's work hard and we can all show up as peers and not elitists. What we write can say so much about us that we have to be careful in our choice of words because there is no censorship preventing us from being disclosed as _________. Make stupid comments and who knows how many readers will have copies of it to hold over your head and that is their only impression of you. Be your best and you may find and make a lot of new friends instead. The choice is yours to make. wlc =====End of Issue 75==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 76 12/02/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: Anonymous Mail #2 Subject: ftp site #3 Subject: re: ignoring people, and not answering emails by fravia+ #4 Subject: free web space - 50 whole megs #5 Subject: Elitist? #6 Subject: Regarding M$oft #7 Subject: Micro$oft ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: Anonymous Mail Hi all! I wonder if anybody knows how to use the xref functions of IDC ( the built in language of IDA). The script below should list all references from a user selected function. #include static main() { auto ea,x; ea = ChooseFunction("Please choose a function"); Message("\n*** Code references from " + atoa(ea) + "\n"); for ( x=Rfirst0(ea); x != BADADDR; x=Rnext0(ea,x) ) Message(atoa(ea) + " refers to " + atoa(x) + "\n"); } Unfortunately, its not working because the Rfirst and Rnext functions don't give back the references. Rfirst can not find the first reference (returns with BADADDR) unless the reference is at the very first address which is scanned (ea). But even then Rnext cannot step to the next reference, but returns with BADADDR. Seems that the scanning part of these functions are not working for me. If somebody knows how to use these xref functions (Rfirst, Rfirst0, Rnext, Rnext0) correctly, please tell me. Thanks Zer0+ -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: ftp site I just checked the ftp site i was donated and notice it is not responding. I assume this may have been most of the last week I was on vacation though I do not know. I will check with the guy who donated me the space and find out if this is going to be a problem. +gthorne /*****************************************************\ Greythorne The Technomancer WebSite: ******************************* (AKA:) ************************************ (IP:) **************************** Gateway: ************************************* Old Mirror: ****************************** FTP1: ****************************************** FTP2: ******************************************* \*****************************************************/ -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: re: ignoring people, and not answering emails by fravia+ In their defence mien partner fravia, even I get lost in your site and have trouble spotting things that would be very easy on a less intensive set of pages. It is definately overwhelming to the newer person (and a few older ones) on occasion. Oh yes- back from holiday all - watching porpoises play in the surf and a bit of relaxation (and a massage or two) seemed to be just what I needed ;) +gthorne /*****************************************************\ Greythorne The Technomancer WebSite: ******************************* (AKA:) ************************************ (IP:) **************************** Gateway: ************************************* Old Mirror: ****************************** FTP1: ****************************************** FTP2: ******************************************* \*****************************************************/ -----#4------------------------------------------------- Subject: free web space - 50 whole megs I seem talkative today :) If I were you guys, I wouldn't let anyone other than the HCU ML subscribers know about this one or we will lose it. ***************************************** +gthorne -----#5------------------------------------------------- Subject: Elitist? Hail +All: If you want respect you've got to earn it. Anyone can brag and say how good they are, but can you prove it? Or do you have to prove it to every gunslinger who cross your path? Yes, there should be some elite members in any group. But if the herd of buffalo want to jump off a cliff, do you want to be a member? All too often, we've been brainwashed that by society that by making noise, others should pay attention. Well, that is not how things work. If you want to make noise, you will be ignored. When my cat cries 'Feed Me!' everytime I open a can of food, I kick its butt out of the kitchen. You've got to 'social engineer'. Just like you wanting attention from them, you've got to have something they want from you. I'm not writing this in defence of anyone but expressing a different perspective on this matter. If fravia+ took the time to write me the first time I visited his site, I might get the impression, gee how desperate he must be, everyone must be ignoring him. Life sure is lonely for him, he's got nothing better to do than to talk to me. Great guy to follow cause he's going to have time to give me the personal attention treatment. Look at his site and you see a different story. It takes time and effort to build it up and he's not wasting it on idle chatter. You have to respect him for that. If you want to help by feeding the strays cats for him, but all means do so. How many can you handle and will they scratch you when you pet them? When I made a submission to him, it wasn't even a crack, yet he sent me an email of one line which is more dear to me because it came from his heart. He doesn't have to be my friend, but I will be his. If he sent me that same line the first time I visited his site I would have no respect for him because I did nothing to deserve it except to mouth off a few empty words to which he could have replied the same in return. Think about it? If you can do something to gain his respect, would he refuse to show? wlc -----#6------------------------------------------------- Subject: Regarding M$oft ..... Microsoft can be regarded as the Evil Galactic Empire, or they can be viewed as just another consumer product on the shelf. Either way, the simple fact is that Microsoft has what might be termed a controlling interest in the PC market (i.e., a dominating market share), and they employ questionable if not dishonorable business practices. Regardless, they are a large software development group with a huge (and well-funded) R&D department--which, it seems, has been largely ignored by the underground community. MSResearch, the R&D department for this colossal company, has a page full of technical papers (but few tools, alas) at ************************************* It is well worth checking out, for 1) these guys will be defining the future of PC computing, 2) you get to see where the M$oft people are coming from and where they are going to, and 3) some of this stuff is just damn interesting. It is worth keeping in mind that Microsoft's (publicly stated) long-term goals are admirable; it is their products and their methods (and some of their short-term goals) that are not. _m ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#7------------------------------------------------- Subject: Micro$oft Hello AZ111, > It is regretfull to put emotional comments on participants or > companies. Of course, we are not on the same level, and some > questions and answers may appear too stupid to more advanced. > But we are here to exchange personal technical findings concerning a > particular software (bad or good, from Microsoft or elsewhere) FOR > OUR PERSONAL NEEDS, if somebody had an experience in dealing with > it. I understand feelings of many people face to Microsoft Empire, > but it is not here to discuss that subject. It may be that many > Microsoft products were made deliberately obscure, huge and clumsy > for certain political and commercial purposes (the policy of the > "black box", as it calls Mr. Fravia), and we are here to make them > more transparent, and not to judge them. I don't think there is any need to play devil's advocate for Micro$haft - the reason so many of us are against Micro$haft more than other companies is because of the detrimental effect they have on the computer industry and competition in general. For example, in the UK, Bill Gates has 'generously donated' a sizeable sum of money to Cambridge University. Many uninformed (and even most informed) observers praised this 'philanthropical' move - but they failed to see the hidden agenda behind it - by making this donation, Micro$haft have secured access to some of the world's finest computer engineers and researchers. This means that instead of pushing forward with new technology for the benifit of all, these brilliant workers will instead be working soley for Micro$hafts benefit, on Micro$hafts useless projects. Talk about pearls before swine! I agree that the primary purpose of cracking is technical, but I don't think there is anything wrong with attacking those who attack us. Cya, +ReZiDeNt =====End of Issue 76==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 77 12/03/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: elitism again #2 Subject: Wafna: spectralab again! :) #3 Subject: Putting it all together in between the lines. #4 Subject: Microsoft #5 Subject: WindowsCE decompiling... ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: elitism again Hello all, I think I must have stirred up some trouble if the subject is still on after such a long time. Now, a little explanation: due to a little mix up by our beloved (ahem) listadmin, I haven't been receiving the +HCU/ML for quite a long time, therefore I don't know what has been going on... He sent the all the missing issues in one zip file, and I will be checking it ASAP. WAFNA of FCA OK, just checked (and, BTW, zero, you forgot issue 74 in the zip file) Now, regarding elitism, I read +Fravia's comments, which seemed farily reasonable (see, I'm often in irc and Usenet, so I'm used to really bad flame wars....) I just wanted to say that, we, once were all complete lamers (horror!) and we had no idea on how to use a computer. Some of us (like me) started with the Sinclair back in.... whatever... and have eventually evolved into the PC. I understand that getting 200 e-mails a day is really a bother (you have 2 weeks off and you find 1400 e-mails, how can you read them all?). A suggestion, perhaps, would be to make your e-mail address a little 'cloaked', so that only people with a little brains would contact you. For instance, if I recall correctly, you are in Venice (oh, BTW, I'm Italian too, but I live in South America now.... curious that this list seems to be mainly European, eh?), you are a man, and, taking a very wild shot, perhaps called Francesco or Franco. So - and it's only a suggestion -, you could perhaps eliminate the reference to your compuserve account on your main pages, and create a stupid web page that, somewhere, contains the words 'Venezia' and 'cracking', or 'reverse engineering'. Call your page perhaps 'cracking in Venice'. In this way, anyone who has a little brains and who has searched for you will find you, and the most obvious lamers will have been cut out. Since we're on the subject, I noticed that +orc has had quite an influence in you - for instance, you like to use the verb 'to delve' like he does (which is quite an uncommon word). OK, now for all of you, since I have lived 8 years in Brazil (yes, I had a friend who lived near Ronald Biggs, the train robber; no I never met him) - now I'm not in Brazil - here's the recipe for 'caipirinha' (pron caipirigna, read as an Italian word), a Brazilian cocktail which is quite insidious and which therefore might enable you to spot exactly that JNE you have been looking for the whole day.... 1) get one or two lemons (note: Brazilian lemons are green and tiny, not like the European ones, so use, say, half of one of our 'yellow' lemons), cut them in four and place them in a glass: | | | | ---------- understood the kind of glass? The fairly 'square' one. Anyway.... 2) add 1 tbsp sugar (or more to taste), replace sugar with 'diet' powder to have a diet caipirinha (ridiculous, but one never knows). 3) add lots of ice 4) add cacha=E7a (pron casciassa, again, read as an Italian word), or if you don't have it, vodka. 5) get merry and press ctrl-D at will. Don't drink too much, otherwise you might end up trying to crack the ROM and wondering why it doesn't accept any changes. WAFNA of FCA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ------ CHANGE OF E-MAIL ADDRESS ------ PLEASE NOTE THAT MY ADDRESS IS NO LONGER ************** ------ MY NEW ADDRESS IS *********************** ------ PLEASE UPDATE YOUR RECORDS ------ any mail sent to ************** ------ or ******************* will still ------ be received for a limited time, ------ but please change your records -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wafna: spectralab again! :) Hi WAFNA, hi All! :) I've got a question for you: have you tried to install Spectralab on different systems, such as NT and 95, or 3.1 and 95? A friend of mine told me that the patch in cryp95.dll doesn't work if you install the program under NT or if you have 32bit fat, because that dll isn't even installed... I've got only 95 installed and didn't realize my patch was wong :-/ Did you make the crack in the .dll or in the .exe? Maybe if you just modify the .exe file it works fine... :) byez, .+MaLaTTiA. -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: Putting it all together in between the lines. Hail +All: Given that the idea of a get together is desirable, we may be faced with an Olympic decision as to where to host this thing. Seems that +gthorne doesn't like to travel to Europe. Have to nominate HackMore to lead a committee to resolve this. Maybe WAFNA can help provide us with passports and diplomatic passes from his friends in the greedy government agencies for those who want to travel anonymously. Got to have beer for fravia+gthorne, any brand in particular? AZ111 & WAFNA should have some great ideas on how to raise up some casino money to cover all our expenses. If not, we may have to ask ReZiDent to sell a better protection scheme to Corel for the air fare that we need. Got to get this thing moving, fravia+ set on a spring meeting doesn't leave us too much time as always. Those unnamed are not forgotten. Of course you are invited. Just post up some feedback as to who you are and where you'll be coming from so that Hackmore and mammon_ can source out a good site. Keep in mind that Kubak and +.MaLaTTiA. got school schedules and exams to meet. Zero+ will keep you up to date on all the latest developments. If you should fear that you'll get lost, +.MaLaTTia. and I will draw you a map. For those newly coming onto this Mail List, like FanTC, check in with +.MaLaTTiA. for old issues in HTML format at: ********************************************************** or make a search at *********************************************************** RSVP wlc -----#4------------------------------------------------- Subject: Microsoft Hi _m! >Microsoft can be regarded as the Evil Galactic Empire, or they can be=20 >viewed as just another consumer product on the shelf.=20 Unfortunately they want to be the ONLY product in the shell and they don't just want it, as you say: >employ questionable if not dishonorable business practices.=20 More: >(publicly stated) long-term goals are admirable;=20 They want to convert Internet in a huge T.V. show. This don't seem so admirable to me :( >it is their products=20 >and their methods (and some of their short-term goals) that are not. I do have very good goals. But I don't expect that people judge them, but my actual work ;-) ---------------- and Hello AZ111! > It is regretfull to put emotional comments on participants or > companies.=20 Of course. I don't think lions are "bad". But I don't think that it is a good idea to have one as my pet =3D:-O > but it is not here to discuss that subject. It may be that many > Microsoft products were made deliberately obscure, huge and clumsy > for certain political and commercial purposes (the policy of the There is a real danger against privacy and *everybody* should become aware of it. Null security on IE and all MS comms systems are specially dangerous because of the huge power of Microsoft and its known tendecy to unfair play... If people who are diving deepest into software and internetworking seem indiferent, who do you think that will care?=20 > "black box", as it calls Mr. Fravia), and we are here to make them > more transparent, and not to judge them. The only way to make it more transparent is to find out how it works. This is impossible unless you reverse engineer it.=20 Are you curious about how Microsoft judges reverse engineers?=20 Check the story of Mr. Fravia's site. I don't think W95 is too bad. It's easy to use and comfortable and there's a ton of good programs made for it :)'' Anyway I prefer to use something like Linux, a free, more powerful and more secure system, supported by its own users. The main warranty is that you have the complete *source* code. It's too raw right now for home users but it's vastly used by Internet sites and many business. Give it a chance.=20 greetings +trurl -----#5------------------------------------------------- Subject: WindowsCE decompiling... Recently there has been an influx of Hand-Held PC hype. so much so i got intreasted and investigated some H/PC's and WindowsCE (the OS which seems too be coming out on top in the market, what a suprise), and there (just as on any other OS) are alot of shareware programs being released for WinCE. As far as i can make out WinCe isnt very compatable with Win95 because most of the H/PC's run RISC processors, so much so it cant run normal Win32 programs. I was wondering if any of you out there have had any expirence with WinCE? and if the tradional cracking techniques/tools work with the WinCE programs, because if M$ have their way WinCE will be in every item with a chip, so one day you might end up cracking your toaster ;P Regards, faeton =====End of Issue 77==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 78 12/04/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: WebSkr, Mgfx, and meeting... #2 Subject: Windows CE #3 Subject: Undercover Investigators on IRC #4 Subject: bpx problems #5 Subject: Venice? #6 Subject: are we really going to have a meeting? :-) #7 Subject: a pretty long attack on the forces of oppression :-) ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: WebSkr, Mgfx, and meeting... Hi all !!! Some free time at last !! (but not for long;( 1. For the first thing, I'm very happy that the list "got alive" after several numbers of silence. There is finally something to read at last. 2. I do not know if You have missed my posting on WebSeeker, or have just ignored me because of lameness of the topic. I still think it is an interesting scheme, and I'm stuck half the way (maybe 75%). So if anyone has tried, or cracked WebSeeker, please contact me. It is not a crack demmand, it is only question for showing me the right way (as this list was (is ??!!) intended to be. 3. I know that this is an easy one, so can enyone give me a tip, where Micrographics Picture Publisher time trial demo marks, the instalation ? I have checked the registry, and the filesystem (it doesn't seem to lay eggs. (althou i have noticed that it does something wint win.com) 4. As for the meeting. I think that it is a good idea, but: a) I don't think that +ORC would show up, simply because he doesn't wont to be recocnized, nor on the web nor IRL b) don't You think it could be a bit dangerous ? I'm not a lweyer, but it wouldn't be nice to get arrested, the first thing after we say Hello ? c) the exam sessions aren't as big problem as money is. As You all know i'm a student, and Poland is'n a country where a student can afford cross European trips (overseas ? SIC!). But i'm sure that if it all fires up I'll find a way to be THERE!! (reverse engeneering of railway companies ;))) d) I want to say that such meeting would be a wonderfull thing to happen to us, but i'm very sceptical about it. My main worry is showing up of the grat ones : +ORC, +Fravia, +gthorne. So Fravia, gthorne, what do You think about it ???? BTW: Thanx wlc for remembering me ;) The letter i prommised is comming You way (slowly, but it's comming ;) Allrighty then, thanks to evryone who answers this posting and keep coool (or warm ?? ;) Kubak -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: Windows CE Recently the company where I work was considering Windows CE palmtops (the execs were too lazy to carry their laptops on short trips) and I had to do an evaluation with a few of the available models. Naturally, the first idea I had was to put SysInfo or FileMon on these things, but I found 2 problems: 1) Space Available--Most of these palmtops have about 2-4MB of storage space available; not a lot for your cracking tools 2) API Functionality--Only about 150 API calls are supported in Windows CE, so some of your more tricky apps will not run However, when scouting the CE issue at micro$oft.com (a site more cumbersome than Fravia's ;), I found a copy of the Windows CE SDK available for download. This allows you to debug applications on the palmtop from your desktop PC--files included are Process Viewer, RemoteSpy, RemoteMemView, RemoteRegEdit, RemoteZoomin, Dialog/Font Editor, Windiff, Spy, Remote Connection Server, help files for the SDK and DDK, and an Emulation Shell/Build environment (the compiling tools are command-line). Needless to say, this should allow you to decompile any CE application from your desktop...and with the CE API being a subset of the 95 API, there should be very few unfamiliar commands. M$oft should have this available still. If not, contact me and I'll see if I still have a copy stashed somewhere for upload (14 MB). mammon_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: Undercover Investigators on IRC Hello fellow crackers, While I was searching the net I stumbled upon an interesting article from wired.com. In this article you can read - how crackers, warez-traders are trapped, and catched. - what profile do those investigators have, and how they operate. - and much more. Location : **************************************************** I like to add something to this article : These undercover IRC investigators seem to know all the Ins and outs of the underground computer world. The first thing they look for is your IP-adres. Can anybody tell me how get on IRC anonymous ? With a fake IP or something ? Keep in touch, Code-X -----#4------------------------------------------------- Subject: bpx problems Hi all, I've just recieved a message form someone asking why SoftICE for Windows 95 won't break on the old 16-bit file I/O functions (e.g. _lseek, _lopen etc) - I'm not sure why this is, although I have an idea....can anyone tell me how to get around this problem? Cya, +ReZiDeNt -----#5------------------------------------------------- Subject: Venice? Wafna, you will probably not believe it, yet I'm not living in Venice, (even if I have been often there) that's only part of the smoke (wich I learned from +ORC, btw). My "actual" smoking is more German oriented, and I have intensified it in recent times..., you'll notice a (bogus) 'forgotten' signature as Franz Von Iannecke on one of my new pages :-) I think I will slowly drift "Austrian", und warum auch nicht? Ich liebe Sachertorten! Yet I love belgian beer (Ename and Gran Cru!), and you will probably be able to meet me in Essen every year at the Spielmesse (strategische Spielen, that is). Even +gthorne (who is really good in these stalking matters) lost sight of me on my 'second' defence line. The only one that caught me really unaware until now is +Alistair (and that seems to be his 'job' :-( This said I could not care less about you knowing my real identity and will therefore gladly come to any (reasonable european located) party in spring. Could we now close all this useless and a little boring personal things and go over to cracking matters with our maillist? later fravia+ -----#6------------------------------------------------- Subject: are we really going to have a meeting? :-) Hi wlc, Regarding this idea of a meet someplace.... > Got to get this thing moving, fravia+ set on a spring meeting > doesn't leave us too much time as always. Those unnamed are not > forgotten. Of course you are invited. Just post up some feedback as > to who you are and where you'll be coming from so that Hackmore and > mammon_ can source out a good site. Keep in mind that Kubak and > +.MaLaTTiA. got school schedules and exams to meet. Zero+ will > keep you up to date on all the latest developments. If you should > fear that you'll get lost, +.MaLaTTia. and I will draw you a map. You seem to be moving quickly! I'd better get my name on the guest list :-) But seriously, there are a few things I thought it might be good to say. Firstly, I agree with fravia+ on a location in (western?) Europe - this would make it possible for me to come along :-) I'm as poor as a church mouse, and couldn't afford to go to the States. However, what if there were to be one meet in the States (for those in the US, South America, Far East and Australia etc) and one in Europe - these could be linked via the Internet and video-conferencing...big business do it all the time, so could we :-) Secondly, what about security? I wouldn't be surprised if we found a few real 'rezidents' turned up, so perhaps someplace with lax laws on computers would be an idea? Also, people might not want to disclose their real identities, so if a place were arranged in plenty of time and adequately advertised, that would give everyone the opportunity of turning up without having to much sensitive information having to swop hands....or am I being paranoid? :-) Oh yes, after May/early June is the best time for me, as well as probably many people (summer holidays, school holidays). Cya, +ReZiDeNt -----#7------------------------------------------------- Subject: a pretty long attack on the forces of oppression :-) Hello _m, > It is well worth checking out, for 1) these guys will be defining > the future of PC computing, 2) you get to see where the M$oft people > are coming from and where they are going to, and 3) some of this > stuff is just damn interesting. It is worth keeping in mind that > Microsoft's (publicly stated) long-term goals are admirable; it is > their products and their methods (and some of their short-term > goals) that are not. I'm afraid I have to take issue with that last statement :-) The primary (indeed, the only) real purpose of business is to make money. Now, maybe you are a small business and only want to survive, like most people, and you don't trample on others and become an oppressive international force. On the other hand, if you are infected with the seeds of meglomania (cue Bill Gates and an inestimable number of his counterparts, particularly in politics and *big* business) you do not desire to 'make the world a better place' or even simply to make money, whatever your PR department or autobiography might say. Once you've made your millions (or billions) you quickly realise that money is no longer relevent (you have more than you could realistically ever spend anyway) - and you become interested solely in the *power* of the money. Remember, 'the love of money is the root of all evil' - this point I'm making about money and power becoming blurred is what O'Brien told Winston Smith in the Ministry of Love during the interrogation (if you don't understand that last statement, I strongly suggest you go to a library or bookshop and get ahold of a copy of '1984', by George Orwell and *study* it, from cover to cover. Read it twice, make notes, underline the important parts and see and *understand* how so much of that book is, perhaps unwittingly, chillingly accurate when compared to the world today). I'm not a communist/socialist; I have nothing against people making money to live (so long as they do it honestly, and without greed), but Bill Gates is no philanthropist. You can call me a cynic, but I don't believe that *anyone* gets into positions of power, excessive wealth and influence without selling their souls to the devil. These billionaires may wake up one morning and give a million to so-called charity, but its just another cunnigly disguised press conference, a carefully calculated gesture. The people who run the world (I mean *really* run the world, not the puppets-on-a-string who the media tell us run the world) have no other interest than *absolute* power and control of *everyone* - just look how they attempt to bend the benefits of modern technology to suit themselves - by creating databases to track us all, push electronic 'smart ID cards' down our throats like you would tag cattle, and brain-wash the population with TV and other mass media channels (even the Internet, if they can!). These people are trying to herd us over the edge, into total subservience to their will - the sad thing is that, with a few exceptions (such as, I hope, at least some of us +crackers) the population are completely oblivious to this, to the extent that they rush towards their own doom, building their own scaffolds and digging their own graves, pathetically stupid lemmings who are charging to their sad fate (but are nevertheless thrilled to death about it). Now, all my ramblings abve may be overdoing it a bit in the case of Bill Gates; he is not, of course, the Antichrist, but he does hob-nob with those who are addicted to power, who use (abuse!) it as a drug. He is just 'small fry' compared to the full pond, a flea on the hide of those who really run the show - nevertheless he is a part of it, and they doubtless will use and are using him to exert force on those they cannot control as they would wish (e.g. ourselves, those who are aware of the world around them!). This is why we must resist him, just as we must resist all the forces of oppression. (wow, I feel tired after all that :-)) Cya, +ReZiDeNt =====End of Issue 78==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 79 12/05/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: Clarification... #2 Subject: Reply to legal issues #3 Subject: +HCU ML Repository! #4 Subject: A Net Conference? #5 Subject: Cracking Photoshop, and problems with IDA pro ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: Clarification... Not to perpetuate a debate regarding a company whose interests I truly do not care about, but I gather that one of my comments was a little misunderstood (more than once, apparently ;). When I referred to That-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named (any Lovecraft fans out there?)'s public goals, I was referring to their self-professed desire to make computers easy to use, sort of a "computers for the masses" plan. From a customer support standpoint (where I stand in most of my jobs), it is easier to train/setup/support customers on a Windows 95 machine than on any other (except MacIntosh)--this is not to say that 95 is better than, oh, Linux, but rather that most people are not willing to put any time into learning computers, and people like that need simple Mac-like PCs if people like me are going to be able to get any work done (by not being burdened with dumb questions like "what's a directory?"). The real goals of this company, as with any capitalist venture are of course to make money--there is not even a pretense otherwise (hence the comment about their business practices. The point I had been trying to make at the time was "Microsoft is just another company. They only happen to be very rich and huge. They are not a force of evil, they are a market force." I'll let the bulk of Rezident's email slide on to those who need to hear it; 1984/THX1138/ Brave New World/Brazil/et al. are old news here ;). Rezident: RE SoftIce and 16-bit functions...are you sure they have loaded the exports for kernel.exe in addition to kernel32.dll? I haven't had any problem with 16-bit code in soft-ice; I managed to plumb through some interesting kernel routines (exception handling, swap file, mem allocation) in an old 3.1 dll with no problem... mammon_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: Reply to legal issues > b) don't You think it could be a bit dangerous ? I'm not a > lawyer, but >it wouldn't be nice to get arrested, the first thing after we say >hello After HIP in the Netherlands passed without any attempts of arrest, I guess that a +HCU convention wouldn't do too much harm to anyone. In most european countries the issue of reverse engineering is largely unclear. I don't know of any "Hacker/Cracker"-related cases which were actually taken to court in the style they did it in the states in 90/91. The only case I can remember was that german guy who went to jail for getting free phonecalls to his own sex-line, therefore amassing money. If you're well know in the warez scene, you'd better keep your handle secret to the authorities, since there are some free-lance lawyers seeking to make a buck. In fact, I don't think that there is ANY danger of being harassed by cops. I don't know about most of the other guys here, but I'd say that none of you is searched with a warrant, therefore no arrests. HalVar from Flake ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: +HCU ML Repository! Hi All! :) I wanted it to be a surprise... well, I think it is, even if I'm late... :) I've put online the ml repository, if you've seen it yet forget it, I'm uploading the new pages right now... :) First of all, I've grouped the issues in groups of 10: 1-10, 11-20 and so on, 'cause it's easier for me to maintain the ml in this way (just two new files every 10 days), and it's easier to upload 1/10 of the files with that damned fortunecity's file manager... :) Then I added a little FAQ, just to keep away most of the lamers, tell me if you think I should change it in any point... Finally, I added the .zip files to make the download easier and faster... uhmm... do you think I should put less bigger zips, or maybe just one with all the issues? That's all for now, tell me if you liked my job and if you see any non-stripped address, tell me what you think I should change in every page, 'cause the ML is yours and so is its page :) Now, you have to remember just ONE address: ********************************************************** byez, .+MaLaTTiA. -----#4------------------------------------------------- Subject: A Net Conference? Hail +All: I for one enjoy reading this Mail List, regardless of the topic. So what's the reason for being here? Technical contributions can be hard to come by, unless we are doing it full time. I can't afford to give up my job and family just yet. People (friends included) still expect us crackers to perform our services free of charge. Kinda like, you go rob the bank and give me the money. If you haven't seen any cracks from me, it is because they were too trivial to mention and covered by essays on the topic. I'm still following up on material and techniques covered by others and far from being an expert to give the right answers. If I don't ask questions, it is because of my tenacious nature to go at it on my own and try and find the answer before troubling anyone by asking. It goes without saying that if anyone takes the time to write anything to this Mail List, it is being read and responded to, even if it is off topic. There is enough space to accommodate more participation. We should not drive ourselves underground with our paranoia? If so, we should stop meeting here and go back into the closet to hide. It takes a guy like WAFNA to crack the stone fortress of fravia+ personality and draw out some personal insights into the great man. Great job WAFNA. Hey ReZiDeNt, where do you get your views from? After reading your work on Corel, I didn't think you had much time left for other things. Good thing I'll be on your side of the fence when it comes to throwing rocks. You can be on my list any time. Your idea of an Internet video conferencing link would be a practical solution to follow up on due to the nature of our interests. Can anyone recommend a Xmas wish list of the programs and equipment needed for this project before Santa comes and goes? wlc -----#5------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cracking Photoshop, and problems with IDA pro Firstly a disclaimer. I've only been reading this list a couple of days, so if I say something stupid, dont yell at me! Anyway, I have recently spent my time trying to crack a save disabled version of Photoshop(I can get a full vesrion easy, I am just cracking this for fun) Its been a lot harder than all the other save disabled targets I have read about, because it disables the menu items. Therefore you can't use bpx MessageBox It also does not use use Resources to store the menus. Eventually I found out how createmenu, appendmenu, enablemenuitem etc work, and was able to write a quick half crack, by ensuring that it only called enablemenuitem when enabling items(This enables menus all the time[although save is enabled even when you haven't opened anything, so I'll have to fix it up a bit for a final crack]) Unfortunately this is only half the crack, I now have to find where it gets processed when the WM_COMMAND comes in. I made a program that showed me the WM_COMMAND numbers of each menu item, and after a bit of lucky, was able to work out where it goes to(sometimes). Anyway, the problem is that the code is large and convulated(54 megs, takes 2 hours to decompile with IDA!). Some parts of the code seem to use function pointers, and recursively call themselves many times. Having read some of the latest essays on call tables, I am pretty sure it is has been written using Object oriented code, with a complicated object hierarchy, and virtual functions etc. Has anyone come across code like this before? Got any suggestions as to how I might proceed(I absolutely refuse to give up, there is no way some compiler is going to beat me!) My second problem is with IDA Pro. I have been using a quine cracked version for a while now, but I can't seem to run it at the same time as Softice 3.2, as soon as I set a breakpoint, system crashes :( I haven't been able to download the full version off Greythornes ftp yet, so I am not sure if it is my demo version, or my system setup. Anyway come across this problem before? One last thing, what is the status with the PDF cracking? I was netless for a while, and by the time I got back on it seems to have already been finished. Is there anything left to do? +Alt-F4 =====End of Issue 79==================================== ======================================================== +HCU Maillist Issue: 80 12/06/1997 -------------------------------------------------------- Send Articles To:......................... ************* Info, Help, Unsubscription, etc:....... **************** ======================================================== CONTENTS: #1 Subject: OOP assembly #2 Subject: IDA Pro #3 Subject: IDA and SoftIce 3.2 #4 Subject: Win 16 imports #5 Subject: Cracking PhotoShop? #6 Subject: Security... #7 Subject: Time.... :-) ARTICLES: -----#1------------------------------------------------- Subject: OOP assembly Alt-F4: First off, for large targets like that you may want to stick with W32DASM for the time factor alone. I recently tackled a 3 MB exe with IDA and the resulting 54 MB ASM file took over an hour.... Secondly, if you are seeing calls like "call [ebp+24]", then yes, this is OOP code. The first time I came across it I had thought the programmers were just really clever; then I read some of Barry Kauler's OOP asm code and found the same style...so yes, you are dealing with classes. I have found only two ways of dealing with this kind of code, and neither is very elegant: 1) Run the prog with soft-ice and BPX on the area of code in question, then dump [ebp+24] or whatever and get the address of the function, which you then note down and crack later, or 2) Back-track through the source code to see what gets put in [ebp+24] etc; usually it is the result of a GetProcAddress function that has passed hands a few times...this is a bit of work though (but IDA is perfect for it) As a final thought, you may look at the dll exports that come with Photoshop and see where the "Save As" function lies, then put a GetProcAddress of your own into the code and force the menu item to that dll function. I was considering this with w32dasm, as it comes with the full Borland OWL library (replete with Save functions), but never got around to it... Oh, one more thing...I have for my use and experimentation both the "Quine" and the "Hackmore" IDA versions and have not had your problem, but I do get a GPF when I try to decompile a second .exe in IDA. Maybe system resources are a problem? mammon_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#2------------------------------------------------- Subject: IDA Pro Attn Everyone: IDA Pro has the potential to be a fantastic "modular" disassembler, basically to be used as the "engine" behind a decompiling environment or a code analysis/abstraction tool. I am probing these areas right now with back ends, etc, trying to see what would be the best approach--i.e., a simple file parser/abstraction engine (with a huge database that classifies the code and searches for patterns), a neural net back-end with an API "knowledge store" trained on simple .exes, or just a conglomeration of IDC scripts for specific purposes (DOS int calls, kernel calls, file access, resources, etc). This may take me awhile, and I could use any time-savers available. If any of you have written IDC scripts (or even C/C++ front- or back-ends) for IDA, I would appreciate it if you would send them (in original or psuedocode, whatever) to me at ******************* Thanks, mammon_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#3------------------------------------------------- Subject: IDA and SoftIce 3.2 Hi All! In reply to Alt-F4's problem: I have experienced the same problem with my SoftIce and IDA. To work around it, I just use the dos version of ida pro (idax). It does not seem to conflict. Later, Great Dalmuti ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at ********************** -----#4------------------------------------------------- Subject: Win 16 imports Hi there mammon, > Rezident: > RE SoftIce and 16-bit functions...are you sure they have loaded the > exports for kernel.exe in addition to kernel32.dll? I haven't had > any problem with 16-bit code in soft-ice; I managed to plumb through > some interesting kernel routines (exception handling, swap file, mem > allocation) in an old 3.1 dll with no problem... hmm....you mean load the krnl386/286.exe from Win 16? Cya, +ReZiDeNt -----#5------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cracking PhotoShop? Hi there Alt-F4! > enablemenuitem etc work, and was able to write a quick half crack, > by ensuring that it only called enablemenuitem when enabling > items(This enables menus all the time[although save is enabled even > when you haven't opened anything, so I'll have to fix it up a bit > for a final crack]) Does this mean that the save code is actually in the program? (e.g. have you been able to get up the save dialog boxes and save a file?). If so, I'd be very interested in this....I took a (very quick) look at one demo version of Photoshop, it seemed to be deadware.... Cya, +ReZiDeNt -----#6------------------------------------------------- Subject: Security... Hi there HalVar, > In fact, I don't think that there is ANY danger of being harassed by > cops. I don't know about most of the other guys here, but I'd say > that none of you is searched with a warrant, therefore no arrests. I admire your courage :-) However, I would not like to put this to the test in the UK. Unfortunately in this country we have seen several instances of the police overstepping their authority when it comes to computer issues....although of course in theory they should leave us in peace, since we are not criminals :-) Cya, +ReZiDeNt -----#7------------------------------------------------- Subject: Time.... :-) Hello wlc, > Hey ReZiDeNt, where do you get your views from? After reading your > work on Corel, I didn't think you had much time left for other > things. Good thing I'll be on your side of the fence when it comes > to throwing rocks. You can be on my list any time. Your idea of an > Internet video conferencing link would be a practical solution to > follow up on due to the nature of our interests. Can anyone > recommend a Xmas wish list of the programs and equipment needed for > this project before Santa comes and goes? I don't 'get' my views from anywhere :-) I don't subscribe to any particular political/social movements, I'm just trying to get people to wake up and look around before its too late.... Yes, I am very busy, but I still manage to find time for different (important) things, such as cracking, experimenting with Linux (which I sadly don't know enough about), delving (I hope nobody minds me using this word :-)) deep into the false information we are fed and making sense of it, finding the truth behind the facade.... Cya, +ReZiDeNt =====End of Issue 80====================================