just a thought ... and an opportunity to open new thread :)
Tuesday, 07-Dec-1999 16:48:39
194.78.233.242 writes:
Hi everybody,
Thought it was time to open a new thread ... I can't find my way in the below threads :(
Anyway, didn't our cipher-master said that we could find his avatar if we managed to decipher his cipher ? Well, when you write
a message, where do you put your name ?? Personaly, just before the end of the message .....
So, could it be that the message end with '--a---a-MESSAGEENDS' ???
I'm going to try this tomorow (wife won't allow me enough time today :(
Respects,
Laurent.
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Re: EXactly!!!!
Tuesday, 07-Dec-1999 17:01:30
216.224.155.90 writes:
brilliant laurent
am also working on that assumtion; also as we said below as avatar being the left hand matrix;
am now trying to see what repeats I can find also; for stop; for --A---a- (I once agian don't post what i think the avatar is so that u
all can follow my clues below; much more fun that way; and todays lesson in stalking hahahah; hummmm what if I am wrong?
:) there should be 3 repeats of two couples with the avatar and the word message ends.....if avatar is correct and if its at the
ending
jeff
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Re: sorry/ two repeats and One flop over
Tuesday, 07-Dec-1999 17:05:59
216.224.155.90 writes:
assuming of course assumtions and assuming
hummm; I keep forgetting about the words being OVER other words
okay forget the above 2 messages; i'm going for a break as now I am moving before i think
jeff
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you take the words out of my mouth :)
Tuesday, 07-Dec-1999 17:14:02
194.78.233.242 writes:
good Jeef, you correct yourself before I'm able to write anything :)
Just a last thought for tonight (really the last one, wife is already in bed ... and my helmet is on my head:) ... But if our
assumption is right about avatar+message end, then a period of 8 doesn't work. Only 6 or 7 works (did not checked above 19).
This is dramatically lowering down the possibilities :)
Not i'll fall easily asleep tonight :)
Good fun to the night birds,
Laurent.
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Matrix Builder
Wednesday, 08-Dec-1999 12:14:07
203.57.68.10 writes:
Hi
After spending the best
part of three hours yesterday trying all the various conotations of
'Blue Diamonds' and
:yellow gold
:moonlight
:__a___a_
I not only had driven myself half out of my mind but I still wasn't convinced I hadn't made
any mistakes. So sitting there surrounded by a small crumpled up
forest, I decided I am not very good at this, I cannot keep the
various matrix in my mind. So I turned my attention to something I am
good at.
I have written a small
program. It will not crack the code (yet) but what it will do is take
two Keyphrases and make two matrix from them. It then checks these
two matrix in every concievable orientation producing de-ciphered
text using the last two digits of the code. It then checks if the
lower of these digits (the bottom row) is a 's' or a 'x'. If either
is then it deciphers the last twenty digits of the text and outputs
to a file both the two matrix and the deciphered text. It is an easy
job to then visually check if any of the outputs are viable.
The program currently
uses the following six matrix patterns for each keyphrase:
F G H K B. O N S C F D I A M O
C X Y P L M V W X G E R T V N
S W Z Q U A T Z Y H U Q Z W S
N V T R E I R Q P K L P Y X C
O M A I D D E U L B. .B K H G F
V K S I B. D I S K V V W X Y Z
W P C A L E A C P W K P Q R T
X Q F M U U M F Q X S C F G H
Y R G O E L O G R Y I A M O N
Z T H N D .B N H T Z .B L U E D
Without starting in the top left these were all I could come up with,
if you can see any more then please post them and I will add them to
the program.
If you would like a copy of the program and its source code you can
get it here:
http://www.shadeshome.cjb.net/
in the tools section.
If you find any problems or think of any additional functions please
make my job easier and let me know.
Of course It won't work with the Playfair 1 1/2 system but it will tommorow.
The source code is there if you want to play. It's written in Delphi.
ShADe
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Re: Matrix Builder/ wow terrific Shade! laurent please look here also;
Wednesday, 08-Dec-1999 15:36:18
216.224.155.164 writes:
you got one more than I did by hand; but that one extra is indeed written backwards so we can probably eliminatee that
one....but wow u guys are so fortunate that u took the time and efforts to learn to program...if there is anything i one day will
aspire to do it will be to learn to program...it is so amazing!
now if laurent can help me please..there are soooooo many posts here...where is your posting on the period lengths in these
posts; I have tried and tried to find it so I don't have to try to hand write all those possibilities out...I think I am onto the crack at
last
jeff
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Am I sooooooo wrong ????
Wednesday, 08-Dec-1999 17:26:09
194.78.234.12 writes:
Hi everybody,
did not worked much on the cipher today, but here is a 'rule' i think may be usefull.
Given the new encipherement rules (only 1 round, not 2). I think we can say the following :
Given a plain text AB you can't have a cipher text B? (? beeing any letter). Cause this will mean B encipher itself in the right
square, which is not possible.
The same in the oposite :
Given a plain text AB you can't have a cipher text ?A, for the same reason as above (but for the left square).
Now, something else.
We see that in our cipher text we have somewhere at the end the doublets
X W
B D
B & D should be located in the right square (?? -> XB and ?? -> WD).
Still following ?
Well, if you look at all the possibilities of building the right square, you'll see that B & D will always be in the same row or same
col (cause of the BlueD). Still with me ?
Ok, Now imagine that :
XW
BD
maps to :
XX
??
where the 2 X's are the same letter (still in our right square) and ? are any other letters.
Well, this can happen if and only if X is in the same col as B&D (draw the square and you'll see).
Please check and confirm if I'm right, if you have time of course.
Given that, all the period where XB WD maps to S? S? (from meSSage) can be rejected because you can't put S on the same
col as B&D (as the three places between them are occupied with LUE).
We can also reject all the period where the quad G maps to 2 different letters.
Given all that + some others rules I don't have time to explain now (but which are based on the same constation as above), I
can't find ANY WORKING period below 25 :(:(:( and I did not checked above 25.
So, if someone could confirm my assumption (or better to prove i am wrong somewhere) that would be really helpfull. Thanks.
On the other hand, if the period is really above 25, could I ask our not so anonymous friend the cipher-master to confirm it ? :)
Thanks.
Respects,
Laurent.
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Re: Am I sooooooo wrong ????
Wednesday, 08-Dec-1999 17:51:43
216.224.155.164 writes:
hi laurent
I kind of hate to post this because if I am wrong then its a very big waste of time; especialy working alone (as in trying to do all
aspects of configs by ones self); i mentioned earlier that we should maybe spilt up the possibilities; therefore cutting the work
down and making checking faster...
here is where my thoughts are right now...
How do we build a dbl fair?
1 we take two keywords and make two squares
1a...do we know all possible configurations of the 4 possible keyword squares? yes we do
do we know where one of them is placed? yes we do
do we know how it is configurd? yes we do because we have producd all possibilities...
2. do we know what our message says? yes we do
2a. message ends
2b. do we know all possible configurations (at least 5 thru 19) of how message ends would look like? yes we do.
3 Instead of trying to build Backwards
why don't we then build Forwards
everyone take the blue diamonds squares as the right hand known
4 split up the other keywords and their various configurations; match each to each bluediamonds known square...using the last
letters in message ends FROM the list of period lenghts that u made
example only:
period eight== es or ex
two of these matrixs when put together will encipher es or ex to be ....UY
example only:
period 17
two of these matrixs when put together will encipher GS or EX to be ....UY
IF a matrix produces UY then check the letter next to UY
example only:
period 17
essag or ssage
eends endsx
two of these matrixs when put together will encipher GS or EX to be ....UY...yes found one?
now se if this same matrix enciphers ad or gs to be WM....yes? we have found the matrixs and now can fill in the rest of the
message,....
See how we worked forward instead of backward?
just a thought and is what I am doing right now...
jeff
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Re: Re: Am I sooooooo wrong ????
Wednesday, 08-Dec-1999 18:00:59
194.78.233.80 writes:
Hi Jeff,
Actually i already tried this. I build 16 combinaison of the 4 keyword (this 64 square) and take them 2 by 2 (thus 64*64
possibilities). None of them give more than 1 doublets (UY) :(:(
Of course i may be wrong (actually i could have wrongly write my proggie). So it can be worth to check.
Going to bed now. See you tomorrow.
Laurent.
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Matrix Builder2
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 03:04:14
203.57.68.10 writes:
<
Hi
Jeff reported that the zip for my program was corrupt, I have now
corrected this. The program now also supports both Double playfair
and Playfair 1.5 modes.
I have also added six more matrix templates and shall be adding more
soon, thanks to Jeff. I have also altered it so that it will now
decrypt up to 200 of your cipher text characters and output the
results to a report.
With the following twelve matrix formats.
f g h k b o n s c f d i a m o v k s i b
c x y p l m v w x g e r t v n w p c a l
s w z q u a t z y h u q z w s x q f m u
n v t r e i r q p k l p y x c y r g o e
o m a i d d e u l b b k h g f z t h n d
d i s k v v w x y z d e u l b o m a i d
e a c p w k p q r t i r q p k n v t r e
u m f q x s c f g h a t z y h s w z q u
l o g r y i a m o n m v w x g c x y p l
b n h t z b l u e d o n s c f f g h k b
f c s n o z t h n d d e u l b z y x w v
g x w v m y r g o e n o m a i t r q p k
h y z t a x q f m u h g f c s h g f c s
k p q r i w p c a l t r q p k n o m a i
b l u e d v k s i b z y x w v d e u l b
This means that with the output all results option selected you can
now produce a report for 200 characters of your cipher text in all of
144 different matrix combinations. Taking less than a second to do it.
Of course you still need to use your eyes or text editor to search
for words within the plaintext, and you still have to provide two
valid Keyphrases. I also have still not discovered the true plaintext
so either I haven't used the correct passphrase or the matrix is in a
format not shown above.
I have so far tried the following Keyphrases:
OF QUARTZ, HARD LIKE ROCK, CRYSTAL PALACE, MESSAGE ENDS, MOONLIGHT,
BY MOONLIGHT, MY AVATAR, YELLOW GOLD, FOR ME BY MOONLIGHT
Although i have only searched for valid output with these keys using
the last letter must be a 's' or a 'x' rule not with the full word search.
I have not implemented dictionary attack because we are told we already have the Keyphrase
If you are using the program you must of course use the same number of characters from the bottom row as from the top and
they must correspond. The default is the last 200 characters of the cipher text.
http://www.shadeshome.cjb.net/
Thanks Jeff I got the file and will update with the last 4 matrix patterns. By the way whats happend to your test board its all
Blue???
ShADe
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Progressing. nowhere quickly
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 07:20:24
203.57.68.13 writes:
Hi
Have added a further four patterns giving 16 and a combination check
of 256 variations.
This slows it down slightly but it is still under 1 sec for a full
output. I fixed a problem with pattern5, it was back to front. I
also found some of the output characters were reversed ie top on
bottom and visa versa, this too is fixed. Although I can't check all
256 variations I have been randomly cross checking the output
manually and I beleive all the bugs are gone. I make no promises though.
f g h k b o n s c f d i a m o v k s i b
c x y p l m v w x g e r t v n w p c a l
s w z q u a t z y h u q z w s x q f m u
n v t r e i r q p k l p y x c y r g o e
o m a i d d e u l b b k h g f z t h n d
d i s k v v w x y z d e u l b o m a i d
e a c p w k p q r t i r q p k n v t r e
u m f q x s c f g h a t z y h s w z q u
l o g r y i a m o n m v w x g c x y p l
b n h t z b l u e d o n s c f f g h k b
f c s n o z t h n d d e u l b z y x w v
g x w v m y r g o e n o m a i t r q p k
h y z t a x q f m u h g f c s h g f c s
k p q r i w p c a l t r q p k n o m a i
b l u e d v k s i b z y x w v d e u l b
b l u e d b i s k v b k h g f b l u e d
i a m o n l a c p n l q y x c k p q r i
s c f g h u m f q x u p z w s h y z t a
k p q r t e o g r y e r t v n g x w v m
v w x y z d n h t z d i a m o f c s n o
These matrix are taken directly from the builder so if you should
see any errors, please please let me know.
I realise the last four matrix start in the upper left corner but
what the hell its only a couple more milliseconds, and future Double
playfair texts will not have this limitation.
All this and I still don't have the solution. As a variant on
checking for the end character of 's' 'x' I have also tried
deciphering various 200 character blocks with all 256 matrix and then
searching for the words 'stop' 'sto' 'top' with my text editor.
I must have searched over 8000 matrix combinations in the last hour
and I can see the words 'Blue Diamonds' even when I shut my eyes so I
am going to bed.
I know I am missing something here, an error or a Keyphrase but
I can hardly see just now never mind find the needle.
I just realised that I do not do any checking for the letter 'J'
in the program. Although this shouldn't make a major difference (ie.
you should still be able to see other words in the output) all pairs
with a 'J' in them will be incorrect and the decipher will have been
carried out using the letter from the previous pair.
ShADe
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Re: Progressing. nowhere quickly
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 12:26:06
216.224.152.100 writes:
just woke up after 4 hours sleep; feel like blaaaaaaaaa
thanks for including a Left hand corner Blue diamonds, Shade, because although the clue says he never does it from the left
corner-- it also said that it was for the Right matrix....IF, and I say IF, he also used Blue Diamonds for the Left square that very
well could follow a left hnd corner pattern even though the right one would not...
I'm kinda stumped; I have done lots of things; and i have followed the lots of things everyone else is doing...so trying to eliminate
whats been done without success and then trying to think of "WHAT can be left" that has not been tried ...?
well
since we have every matrix we can think of..
it must then be a period length that is hampeering us...but dog gone it the Y should be showing up as S or x...and although U
might be an entirely different word letter and not even part of the word message ends...the M of WM to the left of Y should then
also be either S or D...or even I supposse another X if it was filling space there as it might at Y....
like
eends
XXXXX
but
xwnwu
bdwmy
if that were the case then EX could not equal XB and also WD...
oh well just some thoughts for u
well i have to make some more matrixs for shade so i think I will complete those...
it will be nice to have this matrix builder of shades!...has anyone tried it ?
I like these puzzels but by the time I get thru building all the squares by hand I have lost 2 days and am tired of looking at
them....:)
I am here again all day; will probably leave Saturday to join family
jeff
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Re: Re: Progressing. nowhere quickly
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 12:31:22
216.224.152.100 writes:
oh one more thing i forgot
you know how we do run on sentences with the word stop...?
like
beware ice weaselsTOP
well maybe message ends could be messagends...
jeff
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Who said : '..weaselStop' ???? (n/t) (The Seeker) (09-Dec-1999 13:44:36)
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Re: huh????
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 14:42:32
216.224.153.131 writes:
i don't mean that there are weasels IN THIS puzzel...
I'm pointing out just for another thought that just as some of the STOP words in last puzzels were not whole words but instead
Tacked on...
such as...th is se nt en ce en ds to px
rather than
th is se nt en ce en ds st op
message ends might be meassage nds...as in drop an e
never mind..........right now I have tried everything and am just stagnant now
i even started typing in "message ends"
in all the various period lengths into Shades matrix engine instead of typing in the ciphered text...
the one thing it doesn't like though is alot of xxxxxx
such as
eends
xxxxx
nor does it like period six
en
ds
I was hoping to see if it would reverse-ENcript in this way and reveal WU over MY...but no such luck yet....argggg
jeff
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Re: Re: huh???? huh????
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 15:00:19
193.159.109.50 writes:
Hi Jeff,
I know that you were not talking about having some 'weazels' in this actual cipher ! :)
BUT : as far as I can remember, there was nothing like 'messagEnds' (i.e. using one letter instead of two) in the NOVA cipher.
Well, in real life this could maybe take place in such a cipher - so in this case you are absolutely in the game, good idea ! - in
our workshop-ciphers : don't think so !
BTW : what really could be interesting is this : how did these egg-heads at Bletchley Park or whereever knew, which
cipher-method the enemy was using ? Maybe we will learn this too, one of these days !
the seeker
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Re: Re: Re: huh???? huh???? seeker/ shade/ anyone
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 16:24:03
216.224.153.131 writes:
okay okay oaky i need a beer; none of that belgine stuff either heheheh
these were just thoughts Seeker; lets face it we are running out of gas/ideas here :)
Yes indeed...we have had several very nice clues...but the germans did not have any at all probably...plus they had to rebuid
DOUBEL cipher instead of the way this one was changed to singel...and they would have had to rebuild each matrix not
knowing keywords or placements...wow what a chore!!!!!!!!!!!
here is little experiments I have run today:
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from shades matrix builder...I made UP two sentences one over the other
I also made up two keywords to see just how the encription might progress
key words #1 jeff
keyword #2 Diamond
plaintext message ==
Top amfed upnow
Bottom ready setgo
This was the output from Shades tool:
I choose the first matrix that came up.
Matrix 1 Matrix 2
m n o p j k l p q d
l w x q e h x y r i
k v y r f g w z s a
i u t s a f v u t m
h g d c b e c b n o
Characters: k s i b t t k q k i <<<<----text was encripted to this
Characters: h r j x v v c u y g <<<---
M f E <<< -- decripting using same matrixs above
E A D
Now look at IJ...if there is a keyword using the letter J it drops the
Z and....uses the J instead of the I to encript....
since our message does indeed have J's in it I would think the second keyword
might be a word with a J in it....this would change things....however
it seemed to be indicated by the playfair Unfair comment that only the keywords
given are probably used....but this would explain 26 letters also....
but back to de-cripting:
i am checking to see if the squares do produce the plaintext in a doubel row....
amfed upnow
ready setgo
Matrix 1 Matrix 2
m n o p j k l p q d
l w x q e h x y r i
k v y r f g w z s a
i u t s a f v u t m
h g d c b e c b n o
Characters: k s i b t t k q k i <<<<----encripted to this
Characters: h r j x v v c u y g <<<---
M f E D U U
E A D Y S S
hey shade heres some kind of bug...it drops the first letters but added in
an extra TV==US....
continued...
amfed upnow
ready setgo
Matrix 1 Matrix 2
m n o p j k l p q d
l w x q e h x y r i
k v y r f g w z s a
i u t s a f v u t m
h g d c b e c b n o
Characters: k s i b t t k q k i <<<<----encripted to this
Characters: h r j x v v c u y g <<<---
M f E D U U P N O W <<<----decript complete and correct minus dropped letters
E A D Y S S E T G O
well this works
so...this tool SHOULD be locating the
XWNWU
BDWMY
BUTttttttttt
in our most recent playfair its not finding it...why?
also Shade; Note:
this tool can be used as an ENCRIPTOR then to write messages as well then ...
(after u find out if these are bugs or something that i did)
to reverse check I will enter in these below characters in to Top and Bottom row
in the tool:
ksibttkqki
hrjxvvcuyg
and see if it gives me back these above matrixs with the decoded text:
Shade
No ......it does not produce legible text....
************************************************
Matrix 1
m n o p j
l w x q e
k v y r f
i u t s a
h g d c b
Matrix 2
k l p q d
h x y r i
g w z s a
f v u t m
e c b n o
Characters: tvcuuwyzf <<<--last place digit held a word pad square
Characters: qlesshslko
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but wait u know I have another thought because i am gluttony of punishment
lets reverse the order...
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Top row hrjxvvcuyg
bottom row ksibttkqki
well well....not perfect...but
************************************************
************************************************
Matrix 1
m n o p j
l w x q e
k v y r f
i u t s a
h g d c b
Matrix 2
k l p q d
h x y r i
g w z s a
f v u t m
e c b n o
Characters: adyssetgo <<---last two digits held word pad squares
Characters: feduupnowoo
hummm; why is it dropping and also reversing the order...af instead of FA/ de instead of ED/
of course i reversed the input/ but when u put it in correctly it returns garbage....
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and...well something wierd happens here also after all/ some of text is dropped again.
wierd it drops the first two letters am/re
this would now mean I have to go back now and redo and reverse the order of
XWNWU
BDWMY
in the tool in the Top and Bottom area
to
BDWMY
XWNWU
and then see what happens....
also i don't know if any or all of the discrepancies are because I used a keyword with
the letter J in it...so I will retest later also without a J keyword then...
heya is your counter loop thingy begining at 0 or 1 ??? How come it keeps dropping first letters...
also u get a crash if you only type one letter in top and one in bottom...
okay I've done my duty today....time for a beer...
jeff
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Re: Re: Re: Re: huh???? huh???? seeker/ shade/ anyone
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 16:31:58
193.158.174.56 writes:
running out of gas ??? You are kidding, Jeff ! Shade started to code a wonderful program -great-, so why not continue with
building squares ??
I am a little bit out of the threads (real-life), but how are you going with the periods ?
You are doing a great job, all of you !
respects
the seeker
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: huh???? huh???? seeker/ shade/ anyone
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 17:10:15
216.224.153.131 writes:
hiya
boy its quiet here today..
out of gas.....tired....only had 4 hours sleep last night....just layed there awake...read a whole novel...Santorini
am indeed now getting back to building squares for shade who probably will come on soon...heheh
everyone has different time zones...mine is twilite zone...
periods
periods
periods
there are so many combinations of each category;
pairing to the right matrixs; paring to correct period; paring to a pairing; toa toa toa
ohhh-oh; I'm starting to talk to myself
what?
what?
what?
arggggg
jeff
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: huh???? huh???? seeker/ shade/ anyone
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 17:17:48
193.158.164.1 writes:
Maybe sounds silly, but it surely works : take a break, do something *completely* different. Could be, that after this break you
will get some new ideas.
regards
the seeker
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Re: shade/ additional
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 18:04:00
216.224.153.131 writes:
i also forgot to point out that one of the problems is probably that the ENcription is backwards:
This was the output from Shades tool:
I choose the first matrix that came up.
Matrix 1 Matrix 2
m n o p j k l p q d
l w x q e h x y r i
k v y r f g w z s a
i u t s a f v u t m
h g d c b e c b n o
Characters: k s i b t t k q k i <<<<----text was encripted to this
Characters: h r j x v v c u y g <<<---
M f E <<< -- decripting using same matrixs above
E A D
in this example the letter K should be coming from the First matrix and the letter H from the second...but they are
reversed...matrix 2 is encripting matrix 1....should be the opposite...
perhaps thats why I had to reverse order the TOP Bottom message letters..
ICQ for me has been pretty much down all day...will reboot a little later and see if that helps any...going to make a few more
squares...
hummm; never thought of a spiral starting from the Center....4 more possible directions-times all four keywords...I told u that u
are a monster!!!
Laruent; don't be so quiet...I like your beer; its great on cereal!!!
well gotta go...
jeff
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Re: Re: shade/ additional/additional is wrong
Thursday, 09-Dec-1999 18:29:27
216.224.153.131 writes:
forget about above posting
I'm thinking wrong again...
I'm not encripting KH
I'm encrpting ME
and ME == KH
and Decripting KH==Me
so it is okay as it is in that regard;
think Ill take a nap...old people do that u know
jeff
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New matrix patterns added jeff
Friday, 10-Dec-1999 04:46:26
203.57.68.10 writes:
Hi
Well I have added another eight matrix patterns giving a comparison variation of 576 would you believe. The eight are spirals
from the center outwards both clockwise and anti clockwise. Calculation now takes about 2 seconds.
I have created several ciphers using my own Keyphrases ie:
matrix1: ShADe
matrix2: test
and message
messa
gends
It always deciphers correctly and out of the 576 variations only one proves to be good. The program always correctly finds the
deciphered message using the terminating with a 'x' or an 's' technique.
So I am fairly confident that the whole thing works, one of the matrix patterns could still be wrong of course but I have checked
them till I am blue in the face.
These numbers are horrific and would have scared me to death had I been known them at the begining.
I have tried every variation of the following Keyphrases:
BLUE DIAMONDS, HARD LIKE, ROCK OF QUARTZ, CRYSTAL PALACE, YELLOW GOLD, BY MOONLIGHT, MOONLIGHT,
SWEETHEART, GIRLFRIEND, MY AVATAR, YAVATARS (BECAUSE IT MATCHES THE __A___a__ PATTERN), STALPALA
(AS WITH PREVIOUS), BRASIDAS
I have tried these all in I think all the various combinations, both in the first and second matrix. I have tried them all with
themselves and with each other (not always including Blue Diamonds). I have even tried the main four typed backwards with
each other.
The only thing which keeps me from going to a dictionary attack is the fact that we are assured that we have been given the
Keyphrase.
I can only assume that I either have not tried the correct Keyphrase, or that I do not have the correct matrix pattern.
I cannot however think of any more patterns without starting the Keyphrase on one of the sides. If this is possible then it would
probably also mean that the keyphrase could be started from any of the 25 positions. How many variations this would give I
don't even want to know, but the rewards don't justify the effort and even on a really fast machine you would be talking about a
very considerable time frame.
So I can only think that I do not have the correct Keyphrase yet. I keep going over everything our challenger has written trying to
see or make sense of the clues but so far I have nothing.
Tired, frustrated, and growing ever more impressed with the people who did this by hand in the war, I go now to seek some
inspiration from Tchaikovsky and some solace from the bottom of a wine glass.
Please someone solve this thing so I can sleep at night once more.
Read your idea about checking the the breaking down of the original text jeff and I have cross checked your against mine and it
seems to be ok. Of course we could both be wrong ;-)
ShADe
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