Possible rule and more weasels and penguins
Monday, 15-Nov-1999 19:15:47
132.176.12.183 writes:
I don't think the following approach has appeared below (my apologies if it has) so I thought it may be useful to someone.
Please correct me if I goof up.
For each ciphertext letter pair, the first letter can code for the second but not vice versa.
For example in the ciphetext pair TE, T can code for plaintext e, but E cannot code for plaintext t. Of course this concerns
ciphertext letter pairs that do not appeared reversed (eg DE and ED), where neither can code for the other. Therefore looking
at all the pairs in the message it is possible to eliminate certain combinations. I just did this in a big grid with the ciphertext
letters on one side and plaintext letters at the top.
By now following the other rules that have been outlined, the phrase "beware ice weasels" will only fit in one place beginning
at character 139."red penguin frenzy" will fit at two locations, at chracter 42 and 74. This assumes that they are actually in
there in this format. I haven't been able to reconstruct the grid from this information so far.
BTW Seeker, thankyou for your combined frequency tally (version 2). I think it has a couple of errors. The correct ones are as
follows:
F F L .. Z .. Y
W A V Y O O S Y O D .. L .. U F Z Y D A O D U K D I A
Mersenne
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Sorry - My mistake
Monday, 15-Nov-1999 22:06:38
195.35.2.67 writes:
This doesn't hold. Back to the drawing board.
Mersenne
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five block
Sunday, 14-Nov-1999 14:27:27
216.224.153.60 writes:
makes it a little different when done this way:
VYTES YEDLU TERVL FNVUH DWARD LCFFB SDEWN PXKIC
FTREO LKALZ YLSLT OBKEV LYARM KRBOD NALDY PLAET
OLQAD FHSFZ WNAID SMURU OLHRY LLOTW FYLDI CVLUS
dn ne
VSSFZ YLUNF FXLKT GBCDO BFALE WRPFY WLHUL DARLI
en d
TFLAB FFZCY FUUFB GXXXX
ard arm arl ale alz (aet) aid
lotsa fz together this way also...
just something Im looking at later today...
jeff
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Re: five block
Sunday, 14-Nov-1999 16:01:41
216.224.153.60 writes:
en
VYTES YEDLU TERVL FNVUH DWARD LCFFB SDEWN PXKIC
FTREO LKALZ YLSLT OBKEV LYARM KRBOD NALDY PLAET
OLQAD FHSFZ WNAID SMURU OLHRY LLOTW FYLDI CVLUS
dn ne
VSSFZ YLUNF FXLKT GBCDO BFALE WRPFY WLHUL DARLI
en d
TFLAB FFZCY FUUFB GXXXX
dam don't seem to be able to do any post right the first time...left the "en" out on top line in last post
jeff
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Re: I have question
Monday, 15-Nov-1999 16:18:08
216.224.153.15 writes:
can u write it this way
and how would u finish it
p i y
e c
n f
g r
u z
the reason I ask cause the word END seems to work
somewhat..
p i y
e c a
n f b
g r d
u z
humm; I guess not
jeff
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at the moment : dead end street ? (n/t) (The Seeker)
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Something of interest
Sunday, 14-Nov-1999 12:09:49
216.58.8.102 writes:
Greetings everyone
I have noticed something of interest.
Looking at the message and taking into account the letter combinations in the message we have.
AL (1) - LA (2)
BF (2) - FB (1)
DL (1) - LD (3)
DO (1) - OD (1)
DS (1) - SD (1)
ET (1) - TE (2)
FT (1) - TF (1)
FU (1) - UF (1)
HU (1) - UH (1)
LO (1) - OL (3)
LY (1) - YL (2)
No other duets have an opposite in the message.
The probability that these form a square are quite high, though nothing is 100 % sure, because they are used interchangeably
in the message AL and LA for example.
Others that may form a square is AR (3) but this might also be horizontal or vertical just its counterpart being common in the
English language.
BG == NG is probable because of end statement that should be used in message.
I do not believe XXXX is used in any other capacity except to fill spaces because removing 1 X makes the cipher uneven (no
duets at the end)
ND has a frequency in the English language of 1.13 according to an earlier post so the shortness of the message might allow
for only having one ND in message.
Princess
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Re: Something of interest
Sunday, 14-Nov-1999 13:33:22
216.224.153.60 writes:
AL (1) - LA (2)
BF (2) - FB (1)
DL (1) - LD (3)
DO (1) - OD (1)
DS (1) - SD (1)
ET (1) - TE (2)
FT (1) - TF (1)
FU (1) - UF (1)
HU (1) - UH (1)
LO (1) - OL (3)
LY (1) - YL (2)
well; hiya princess! remembering all the help u taught me on keyfiles;
I am glad this interested u!
so another word we are sure is present here is (probably) "stop"
so from your chart then the word stop could only be a 'repeated letter'?
either: bf la ld ol Yl ???
(I eliminated TE because its to close to the beginning of the sentence in the block)
LD and ol ...3
st is a very common combination...to only appear 3 times in message might be low
so...perhapps LD or ol is rather op
...don't know..sure is wierd (for suppossed to be easy) that theres no repeats
or reversals anywhere...but I don't know how to backtrace building the box even with laurents
great help below...I sure look forward to u all busting this one!
got work to do....bye
jeff
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I'm going to die if it does not work now.
Sunday, 14-Nov-1999 18:11:44
216.58.8.118 writes:
ENGLISH IC=0.0675 DIC=0.0075 Vowels 38.7% Avg Word Length=4.54
Letter Frequencies (per 1000) Doubles(per 10000) Initials % Finals %
E=127 F= 25 A= 88 N= 75 A= 1 N=10 T=18 E= 3 E=22 M= 2
T= 94 U =25 B= 13 O= 72 B= 1 O=20 A=12 L= 2 S=14 K= 1
A= 88 P =22 C= 29 P= 22 C= 6 P=11 O= 7 N= 2 D=11 P= 1
I= 75 G =20 D= 34 Q= 1 D= 8 Q= 0 S= 7 D= 2 T=10 C=<1
N= 75 Y =17 E=127 R= 64 E=53 R=16 W= 6 U= 1 N= 7 W=<1
S= 73 W =14 F= 25 S= 73 F=15 S=46 I= 6 G= 1 Y= 7 U=<1
O= 72 B =13 G= 20 T= 94 G= 3 T=45 H= 5 Y= 1 F= 5 X=<1
R= 64 K =10 H= 47 U= 25 H= 2 U= 0 C= 5 J= 1 R= 5 I=<1
H= 47 V = 9 I= 75 V= 9 I= 1 V= 0 B= 4 V=<1 O= 4 B=<1
L= 36 J = 2 J= 2 W= 14 J= 0 W= 1 F= 4 Q=<1 H= 3 J=<1
D= 34 Z = 1 K= 10 X= 1 K= 0 X= 0 P= 4 K=<1 G= 3 Q=<1
C= 29 Q = 1 L= 36 Y= 17 L=50 Y= 1 M= 4 X=<1 A= 3 V=<1
M= 28 X = 1 M= 28 Z= 1 M= 9 Z= 0 R= 3 Z=<1 L= 3 Z=<1
TH 29 IN 19 ON 15 AT 14 NT 12 ED 11 ND 10 OF 9
HE 24 ST 17 RE 15 TE 12 OR 11 HA 10 AL 10 TO 9
ER 21 AN 16 ES 15 EN 12 TI 11 IS 10 NG 9 SA 8
THE 19 ION 5 ENT 5 STA 4 ETH 4 ATI 4 STH 3 ATE 3
ING 8 THA 5 FOR 4 HER 4 HAT 4 ERE 3 IST 3 SIN 3
AND 7 TER 5 ERS 4 NTH 4 EST 4 TIO 3 ONT 3 MEN 3
ENGLISH Common words by frequency per 1000 words
THE 69 THIS 5 WE 3 CAN 2 MAN 1
OF 36 HAD 5 HIM 3 ONLY 2 ME 1
AND 29 NOT 5 BEEN 2 OTHER 2 EVEN 1
TO 26 ARE 4 HAS 2 TIME 2 MOST 1
A 23 BUT 4 WHEN 2 NEW 2 MADE 1
IN 21 FROM 4 WHO 2 SOME 2 AFTER 1
THAT 10 OR 4 WILL 2 COULD 2 ALSO 1
IS 10 HAVE 4 NO 2 THESE 2 WELL 1
WAS 10 AN 4 MORE 2 TWO 1 DID 1
HE 9 THEY 4 IF 2 MAY 1 MANY 1
FOR 9 WHICH 4 OUT 2 FIRST 1 BEFORE 1
IT 9 ONE 3 ITS 2 THEN 1 MUST 1
WITH 7 WERE 3 SO 2 DO 1 YEARS 1
AS 7 YOU 3 UP 2 ANY 1 BACK 1
HIS 7 ALL 3 SAID 2 LIKE 1 THROUGH 1
ON 7 HER 3 WHAT 2 MY 1 MUCH 1
BE 6 SHE 3 ABOUT 2 NOW 1 WHERE 1
AT 5 THERE 3 THAN 2 OVER 1 YOUR 1
BY 5 WOULD 3 INTO 2 SUCH 1 WAY 1
I 5 THEIR 3 THEM 2 OUR 1 DOWN 1
Princess
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