SENATOR SMITH: And that they were prevalent? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Speaking of the icebergs and naming their longitude. SENATOR SMITH: Just tell us, if anything, what you did hear about that, and from whom, if you can. MR. LIGHTOLLER: From what ship the message came I have forgotten; but the message contained information that there was ice from 49 to 51. SENATOR SMITH: How do you know it came? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Because I saw it. SENATOR SMITH: That is since the collision? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not that I know of. SENATOR SMITH: Have you seen it since the collision? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not that I know of. Whether it is the same message or not. I have seen some. Whether it is the same or not, I do not know. I have not seen the same to my knowledge. SENATOR SMITH: From whom did you get that information? MR. LIGHTOLLER: From the captain. SENATOR SMITH: That night? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: At what time did you get that information? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I think it was that afternoon. SENATOR SMITH: At what time? MR. LIGHTOLLER: About 1 o'clock. SENATOR SMITH: Where were you then? MR. LIGHTOLLER: On the bridge. SENATOR SMITH: With the captain? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Where was the ship with reference to her latitude? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not tell you without working it out, sir. SENATOR SMITH: What time was it in the day? MR. LIGHTOLLER: About 1 o'clock. SENATOR SMITH: You were not then officer? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I was relieving for lunch. SENATOR SMITH: So that from the time this communication came to you, you were not in charge of the ship until 6 o'clock that night? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Exactly. SENATOR SMITH: Who succeeded you as officer of the ship? MR. LIGHTOLLER: The first officer, Mr. Murdock. SENATOR SMITH: Did you communicate to him this information that the captain had given you on the bridge? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I communicated that when I was relieving him at 1 o'clock. SENATOR SMITH: What did you tell him? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Exactly what was in the telegram. SENATOR SMITH: What did he say? MR. LIGHTOLLER: "All right." SENATOR SMITH: So that the officers of the ship ­ the officer in charge, Mr. Murdock, was fully advised by you that you were in proximity of these icebergs­­ MR. LIGHTOLLER: I would hardly call that proximity. SENATOR SMITH: Pardon me and I will complete my question. And you were advised by the captain that that was the case. Or, reversing it, you were advised by the captain, and by word of mouth, and communicated that word to officer Murdock, in charge of the ship, to which he replied, "All right"? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you hold any further consultation about it? MR. LIGHTOLLER: With the first officer? No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: How fast was the boat going at that time? MR. LIGHTOLLER: About 21 1/2 or 22. SENATOR SMITH: 21 1/2 or 22 knots? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Was that her maximum speed? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I do not know, sir. I could not say, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know whether she went any faster than that at any time on the trip? MR. LIGHTOLLER: As far as we understood she would eventually go faster than that when the ship was tuned up. SENATOR SMITH: But that was as fast as she went on the trial tests? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I do not know what her speed was on the trial trip. SENATOR SMITH: I thought you indicated it was about that. She was, however, running at her maximum speed at that time? MR. LIGHTOLLER: We understood she was not at her maximum speed. SENATOR SMITH: That is, you understood that there was still reserve power there? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: That had not been exhausted? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any instructions from anybody to exhaust that power? MR. LIGHTOLLER: None. SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any ambition of your own to see it exhausted? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes; I dare say. SENATOR SMITH: You wanted her to go as fast as she could? MR. LIGHTOLLER: At some time or other; yes. SENATOR SMITH: Was that shared by your associates among the officers? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Oh, I could not say, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did they talk about it? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Naturally, we talked; we wondered what her maximum speed would eventually be. SENATOR SMITH: You were anxious to see it tested? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not necessarily anxious. SENATOR SMITH: Interested, however? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Interested; yes. SENATOR SMITH: When you turned the ship over to the second officer, Mr. Murdock­­­ MR. LIGHTOLLER: The first officer. SENATOR SMITH: When you turned the ship over to the first officer, Mr. Murdock, where did you go? MR. LIGHTOLLER: What time are you speaking of now? SENATOR SMITH: I am speaking of about noon or 1 o'clock. MR. LIGHTOLLER: I went to my lunch. SENATOR SMITH: And what did you do after that? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I went below. SENATOR SMITH: Where? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Below, to my berth, or wherever it happened to be. We call the quarters, generally, below. SENATOR SMITH: Did you find anybody there when you got below? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes. The watch below I suppose was there. SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any talk with him about the word that the captain had given you? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any talk with anybody about it? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; not that I remember. SENATOR SMITH: How long did you remain in your room? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I dare say I was in and out of the room two or three times during that afternoon. Later on, I laid down in the afternoon to sleep, and got up and wrote some letters, or something like that. SENATOR SMITH: And took your place again in command of the ship, or rather, as officer of the watch, at 6 o'clock? MR. LIGHTOLLER: At 6 o'clock. SENATOR SMITH: At that time did you say anything to the other officers who were on duty at the time about this information that the captain gave you? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not that I remember, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Was the lookout increased that evening after you took the watch? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: What was the complement of your ship that night, in officers? MR. LIGHTOLLER: You mean on deck, sir? SENATOR SMITH: Yes, sir. MR. LIGHTOLLER: Myself and two juniors. SENATOR SMITH: Where were those two juniors stationed? MR. LIGHTOLLER: They have various duties to perform, taking the various parts of the ship; sometimes in the wheelhouse; at different periods one has to go the whole rounds of the ship and see that everything is in order. SENATOR SMITH: When you came on watch at 6 o'clock, was the captain on the bridge, or did you see him? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I didn't see him at 6 o'clock. SENATOR SMITH: When did you next see him? MR. LIGHTOLLER: About five minutes to 9 was the next time I saw him. SENATOR SMITH: About five minutes to 9? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: In his absence, who was on the bridge? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Myself. SENATOR SMITH: Did you relieve him? MR. LIGHTOLLER: The captain? SENATOR SMITH: Yes. MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. The first officer. I beg your pardon; I relieved the chief. SENATOR SMITH: You relieved the chief? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And went to the bridge? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I relieved the chief. The chief's watch was from 2 until 6. I relieved the chief officer at 6 o'clock and carried on the watch until 10. SENATOR SMITH: Did you remain on the bridge? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: From 6 until 10 o'clock. MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: During that time was each officer or man in his position in the forward part of the vessel? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Who was there, and where were they stationed? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Two men in the crow's nest, one man at the wheel, one man standing by. SENATOR SMITH: What was the weather that night? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Clear and calm. SENATOR SMITH: Were you at all apprehensive about your proximity to these icebergs? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And for that reason you did not think it necessary to increase the official lookout? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And that was not done? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: From 6 until 10 o'clock was the captain on the bridge at all? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: When did he arrive? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Five minutes to 9. SENATOR SMITH: Five minutes to 9? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: But he was not there from 6 o'clock until five minutes of 9? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I did not see him, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You would have seen him if he had been there, would you not? MR. LIGHTOLLER: If he had been actually on the bridge, yes, I should have seen him. SENATOR SMITH: You did not see him? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I did not see him. SENATOR SMITH: And you were there during all that time? MR. LIGHTOLLER: During all that time. SENATOR SMITH: When he came to the bridge at five minutes of 9 what did he say to you or what did you say to him? Who spoke first? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not say, sir. Probably one of us said "Good evening." SENATOR SMITH: But you do not know who? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No. SENATOR SMITH: Was anything else said? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes. We spoke about the weather; calmness of the sea; the clearness; about the time we should be getting up toward the vicinity of the ice and how we should recognize it if we should see it ­ freshening up our minds as to the indications that ice gives of its proximity. We just conferred together, generally for 25 minutes. SENATOR SMITH: For 20 or 25 minutes? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Was any reference made at that time to the wireless message from the America? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Capt. Smith made a remark that if it was in a slight degree hazy there would be no doubt we should have to go very slowly. SENATOR SMITH: Did you slow up? MR. LIGHTOLLER: That I do not know, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You would have known if it had been done, would you not, during your watch? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not necessarily so, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Who would give the command? MR. LIGHTOLLER: The commander would send orders down to the chief engineer to reduce her by so many revolutions. SENATOR SMITH: Through a megaphone? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; by word of hand. SENATOR SMITH: By speaking tube? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, by word of hand; notes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see anything of that kind done? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; I did not see it on the bridge. SENATOR SMITH: And the captain was on the bridge? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: How long did he remain on the bridge after coming there at 5 minutes of 9? MR. LIGHTOLLER: He remained there until about 20 minutes past 9, or something like that. SENATOR SMITH: About 20 minutes past 9? MR. LIGHTOLLER: About 25 minutes altogether. SENATOR SMITH: Then did he leave the bridge? MR. LIGHTOLLER: He left the bridge. SENATOR SMITH: With any special injunction upon you? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: What did he say? MR. LIGHTOLLER: "If in the slightest degree doubtful, let me know." SENATOR SMITH: What did you say to him? MR. LIGHTOLLER: "All right, sir." SENATOR SMITH: You kept the ship on its course? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And at about the same speed? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir; as far as I know. SENATOR SMITH: When did you next see the captain? MR. LIGHTOLLER: When I came out of the quarters, after the impact. SENATOR SMITH: You mean that he did not return to the bridge until your watch expired? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: About 10'o clock? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You left? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And Murdock took command? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know where you were at the hour that you turned over the watch to Mr. Murdock? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not now, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you know at the time? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Can you give us any idea? MR. LIGHTOLLER: When I ended the watch we roughly judged that we should be getting toward the vicinity of the ice, as reported by that Marconigram that I saw, somewhere about 11 o'clock. SENATOR SMITH: That you would be in that latitude? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Longitude. SENATOR SMITH: At 11 o'clock? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Somewhere about 11; yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you talk with Mr. Murdock about that phase of it when you left the watch? MR. LIGHTOLLER: About what? SENATOR SMITH: I say, did you talk with Mr. Murdock about the iceberg situation when you left the watch? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did he ask you anything about it? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: What was said between you? MR. LIGHTOLLER: We remarked on the weather, about its being calm, clear. We remarked the distance we could see. We seemed to be able to see along distance. Everything was very clear. We could see the stars setting down to the horizon. SENATOR SMITH: It was cold, was it not? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Sharp? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: How cold was it? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Thirty­one, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Above zero? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Thirty­one degrees above zero, yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Is that unusually cold for that longitude? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: At that time of the year? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see Mr. Murdock after that? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir; I saw him when I came out of the quarters after the impact. SENATOR SMITH: Where was he? MR. LIGHTOLLER: On the bridge. SENATOR SMITH: With the captain? MR. LIGHTOLLER: One on one side, and one on the other side of the bridge; one on each side. SENATOR SMITH: Did you speak to him after that? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: I mean after he took the watch? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You never spoke to him again? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You were not together when you finally parted from the ship? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You saw him on the bridge at that time? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Immediately after the impact; yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did he remain there until the end? MR. LIGHTOLLER: He was getting the boats out on the starboard side later on. SENATOR SMITH: Later? MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see him at that work? MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; I was on the port side. SENATOR SMITH: How do you know that he did it? MR. LIGHTOLLER: I saw him at the last boat. SENATOR SMITH: Just what time he left the bridge, I don't suppose you know. MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Where did you last see the captain? MR. LIGHTOLLER: On the boat deck, sir.