MR. BOXHALL: I saw several of the boats ­ in fact all of the lifeboats ­ when I was in my boat, which had lighted lamps in them. SENATOR SMITH: Had lamps in them? MR. BOXHALL: Had lamps in them ­ before I saw the Carpathia. SENATOR SMITH: Before you saw the Carpathia? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Where were those lights displayed? MR. BOXHALL: I was not close enough to see. SENATOR SMITH: Where would they be displayed ­ on the forward end? MR. BOXHALL: Usually by the man who steers the boat. SENATOR SMITH: Back of the tiller? MR. BOXHALL: In the bottom of the boat, not back of the tiller­­ SENATOR SMITH: I do not mean back of the tiller, but back near the tiller? MR. BOXHALL: Just in the bottom of the boat. I could see the reflection of the lights; I did not see the lights themselves. SENATOR SMITH: But you are not ready to say that they all had lights burning, are you? MR. BOXHALL: No; not that they all had lights burning; but I saw several. SENATOR SMITH: Now, Mr. Boxhall, did you personally become acquainted with any of the American passengers on that boat? MR. BOXHALL: On what boat? SENATOR SMITH: On the Titanic? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; not until after the accident. After we got on board the Carpathia I met one or two. SENATOR SMITH: But were you aware at any time between Southampton and the place of this accident of the presence on shipboard of a large number of Americans? MR. BOXHALL: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you at any time learn who they were? MR. BOXHALL: Yes; by glancing through the passenger list. SENATOR SMITH: Can you tell any names that you now particularly recall? MR. BOXHALL: Yes; I recall that Col. Astor and his wife were aboard. SENATOR SMITH: You recall that you saw Col. Astor's name on this list? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you personally see him or his wife? MR. BOXHALL: I have seen him walking on the top deck. SENATOR SMITH: Did you know who he was? MR. BOXHALL: One of the officers ­ I think it was one of the officers who told me. SENATOR SMITH: Any other Americans? MR. BOXHALL: No; I do not know any others that I could name. SENATOR SMITH: Any Canadians of prominence? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Or any other passengers of prominence, or any other passengers at all whose name you remember? MR. BOXHALL: No; I do not remember the names of them. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see Col. Astor after this collision occurred? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Or his wife? MR. BOXHALL: I never saw his wife at all. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know what part of the ship they were in? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; I have not the slightest idea. SENATOR SMITH: I mean as to their quarters. MR. BOXHALL: Yes; I understand what you mean. SENATOR SMITH: Did you know of the presence of any other Americans than the ones you have mentioned particularly? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: About how long, if you remember, before you reached the side of the Carpathia did you see these lights extinguished on the Titanic? MR. BOXHALL: Before I boarded the Carpathia, you say? SENATOR SMITH: Yes. MR. BOXHALL: Before I boarded the Carpathia. Well, the Titanic's lights seem to have disappeared some considerable time before I boarded the Carpathia, because I saw the Carpathia's lights for some considerable time. SENATOR SMITH: After you boarded the Carpathia during that early morning, Monday morning, or after you left the Titanic's side, did you see any icebergs? MR. BOXHALL: Not until I got within about two or three ship's lengths of the Carpathia, when I saw her engines were stopped ­ then I saw the icebergs; it was just breaking daylight then. SENATOR SMITH: Where were they? MR. BOXHALL: Close to the Carpathia. SENATOR SMITH: How close? MR. BOXHALL: He seemed to have stopped within half a mile or quarter of a mile of the berg. SENATOR SMITH: How many did you see? MR. BOXHALL: Numerous bergs. As daylight broke I saw them. SENATOR SMITH: About how many? MR. BOXHALL: I would not like to say. SENATOR SMITH: More than two? MR. BOXHALL: Certainly more than two. Several bergs. SENATOR SMITH: That is four or five or six? MR. BOXHALL: And field ice. I could see field ice then as far as the eye could see. SENATOR SMITH: How large were these icebergs? MR. BOXHALL: Well, I did not see any of them that I considered large icebergs ­ not like one sees in the Canadian trade. SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear the captain of the Carpathia testify last Friday morning in New York? MR. BOXHALL: I was up there when he started, but I did not stay in the committee room. SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear him say that he saw icebergs Monday morning, or an iceberg, nearly 200 feet high? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; I did not hear him say that. SENATOR SMITH: You say that you were within about half a mile of an iceberg and that the Carpathia was within that range of one? MR. BOXHALL: Yes; I should say she would be well within half a mile of an iceberg when I boarded her. SENATOR SMITH: How did this iceberg look to you? I mean as to color? MR. BOXHALL: White. SENATOR SMITH: Did they all look about the same color? MR. BOXHALL: They looked white, to me, in the sunlight. SENATOR SMITH: Was the sun up then? MR. BOXHALL: No; but after the sun got up they looked white. SENATOR SMITH: In the early morning, at the dawn ­ daybreak? MR. BOXHALL: No; at daybreak they looked quite black. SENATOR SMITH: Was it after daybreak when you got alongside of the Carpathia? MR. BOXHALL: Day was breaking. I only saw them a little while before I got to the Carpathia. SENATOR SMITH: Do you care to correct your statement that they appeared white when you first saw them? MR. BOXHALL: They did not appear white when I first saw them. SENATOR SMITH: How did they appear? MR. BOXHALL: They appeared black. SENATOR SMITH: After you boarded the Carpathia, while she was cruising around the scene of the wreck, did you see other icebergs? MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes. SENATOR SMITH: How many? MR. BOXHALL: I could not say. There were numerous icebergs; that is the easiest way or the best way to express it. SENATOR SMITH: Did you distinguish between an iceberg and a growler, or are they the same thing in the language of mariners? MR. BOXHALL: Yes, I do make a distinction between an iceberg and a growler. SENATOR SMITH: Let us have that distinction. MR. BOXHALL: As I understand a growler, it is a low­lying iceberg. SENATOR SMITH: Partially submerged? MR. BOXHALL: They are all submerged; but I mean one lying, it might be very largely on the surface of the water, but not high; it might be large or it might be small, but it is low lying. SENATOR SMITH: And the larger it gets­­ MR. BOXHALL: Then it gets to be an iceberg. SENATOR SMITH: There is another kind of ice that you encounter­­ MR. BOXHALL: Field ice. SENATOR SMITH: Off the Grand Banks? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: What is that? MR. BOXHALL: Field ice is a lot of ice all together. SENATOR SMITH: Like a raft? MR. BOXHALL: Yes; not unlike a raft, I should say. It is a large expanse of ice covering the water. SENATOR SMITH: Level with the surface? MR. BOXHALL: No; a little above the surface. SENATOR SMITH: Rising above the surface? MR. BOXHALL: Just a little above the surface. SENATOR SMITH: And extending over how great an area? I suppose they vary, but how great an area have you seen covered? MR. BOXHALL: With ice? SENATOR SMITH: With ice, on the sea, in the vicinity of the Grand Banks? MR. BOXHALL: This is the first time that I have seen field ice on the Grand Banks. SENATOR SMITH: You have never seen it on the Grand Banks before? MR. BOXHALL: No. SENATOR SMITH: And you have been on the Grand Banks before? MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes. SENATOR SMITH: How often? MR. BOXHALL: I have been running to New York since I was 19 years of age. SENATOR SMITH: And you have never seen any field ice? MR. BOXHALL: I have seen icebergs, but have never seen any field ice before. SENATOR SMITH: Was the ship on its usual course? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Have you ever crossed at this time of the year before? MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes; many times. SENATOR SMITH: Can you tell what the theory of the navigator is as to where the icebergs and growlers and field ice come from? MR. BOXHALL: As far as I understand, they come from the Arctic region. SENATOR SMITH: What are they composed of, if you know? MR. BOXHALL: Some people who have been very close to them tell me that they have seen sand and gravel and rocks and things of that kind in them. SENATOR SMITH: Rocks and other substances? MR. BOXHALL: And earth. I have never been close enough to see that. SENATOR SMITH: I suppose you mean the icebergs, when you say that? MR. BOXHALL: The icebergs; yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And those icebergs are supposed to come from the Arctic regions? MR. BOXHALL: Yes; so I believe. SENATOR SMITH: And float down into the open sea? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: How far east have you ever seen them? MR. BOXHALL: I do not know how far east I have seen them. It has been many years since I have seen any, until this time. SENATOR SMITH: Is it understood by mariners and navigators that they are more frequent in the latitude of the Grand Banks? MR. BOXHALL: Around 50 west; 47 to 50 west, I think; as near as I can remember. SENATOR SMITH: From 47 to 50 west they are known to exist? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: And it is customary to be particularly careful in that vicinity? MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Well, how did it happen that in that identical vicinity it was not thought necessary to increase the lookout? MR. BOXHALL: I do not know. The lookout may have been increased; I can not say. I was busy most of the watch in the chart room, making calculations. SENATOR SMITH: As far as you know of your own knowledge, it was not? MR. BOXHALL: I did not hear any extra lookouts reported as being put on. SENATOR SMITH: You did not see any extra officers that night, forward on the bridge deck? MR. BOXHALL: No. SENATOR SMITH: How far did the Carpathia run on Monday before she was out of sight of the icebergs? MR. BOXHALL: I could not say. SENATOR SMITH: Were you observing the situation? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Between the time that you left the Titanic and the time morning dawned did you see any icebergs? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; but I know that they were there. SENATOR SMITH: You knew they were there? MR. BOXHALL: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Any growlers? MR. BOXHALL: I saw nothing; but I heard the water on the ice as soon as the lights went out on the ship. SENATOR SMITH: That water, you think, was on the ice, after the boat went down? That is, you could hear something? MR. BOXHALL: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: In that vicinity? MR. BOXHALL: A little while after the ship's lights went out and the cries subsided, then I found out that we were near the ice. SENATOR SMITH: You could hear it? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Does your statement also cover the field ice? MR. BOXHALL: Yes; it covers all the ice, sir. I heard the water rumbling or breaking on the ice. Then I knew that there was a lot of ice about; but I could not see it from the boat. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know what precautions the captain of the Carpathia took when he found himself among ice? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know whether he doubled his lookout? MR. BOXHALL: I do not know. SENATOR SMITH: He proceeded toward New York how long after all the lifeboats had been raised? MR. BOXHALL: It was approximately, I should say, well on in the forenoon, when he set the course to New York. SENATOR SMITH: That is 9 or 10 o'clock? MR. BOXHALL: No; I think it was well after that. We were steaming around the wreckage for quite a long time. I did not notice the time, but it must have been quite late in the forenoon. SENATOR SMITH: Steaming around­­ MR. BOXHALL: Steaming around the scene of disaster. SENATOR SMITH: Where were you when they were steaming around? MR. BOXHALL: I was on the bridge for a few minutes, shortly after we got the boats on board. SENATOR SMITH: For how long? MR. BOXHALL: About a quarter of an hour, I think. SENATOR SMITH: And remained on the bridge of the Carpathia after the boats were all raised? MR. BOXHALL: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any bodies floating in the water? MR. BOXHALL: I remained on the bridge until he started off for New York direct. I do not know what time that was. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any floating bodies? MR. BOXHALL: I saw one floating body, sir. SENATOR SMITH: That of a man or woman? MR. BOXHALL: A man, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the face distinctly? MR. BOXHALL: No; I could not. It had a life preserver on. SENATOR SMITH: Dead? MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes; quite dead. SENATOR SMITH: How do you know? MR. BOXHALL: We could see by the way the body was lying. SENATOR SMITH: What is the ordinary position of a dead body in the water with a life preserver on? MR. BOXHALL: This body looked as if the man was lying as if he had fallen asleep with his face over his arm. SENATOR SMITH: On his side? MR. BOXHALL: On his side. SENATOR SMITH: Were you near enough to describe his features? MR. BOXHALL: Not at all, sir? SENATOR SMITH: Is that the only body you saw? MR. BOXHALL: That the only body I saw. SENATOR SMITH: The only body you saw either dead or alive? MR. BOXHALL: Yes; dead or alive? SENATOR SMITH: There must have been hundreds of bodies in the water about the Titanic. MR. BOXHALL: No one ever saw any, at all. SENATOR SMITH: You say there were all equipped with life belts? MR. BOXHALL: I do not remember seeing anybody without a life belt. SENATOR SMITH: Did you know of any persons refusing to enter the lifeboats? MR. BOXHALL: No; only by hearsay. SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear that many had refused to enter the lifeboats? MR. BOXHALL: I heard it on board the Carpathia, that some of them had refused. SENATOR SMITH: Well, those on board the Carpathia had not refused. You heard that others had refused? MR. BOXHALL: I heard that others had refused. SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear of any names given of those who had refused? MR. BOXHALL: I do not know. I may have heard the names and not taken any notice, not knowing them. SENATOR SMITH: Could you repeat them? MR. BOXHALL: No; I could not. SENATOR SMITH: Any of them? MR. BOXHALL: No, I could not. SENATOR SMITH: Were any of the names you heard the names of women as well as men? MR. BOXHALL: I could not say. SENATOR SMITH: Did you any person ­ man, woman, or child ­ who refused to get into a lifeboat? MR. BOXHALL: No, sir.