MR. EVANS: Yes; he was a passenger. The chief officer, Murdock, had cleared all the women and children from that side of the ship, and he asked if there was any more, and there was no reply came, and the boat was packed, sir, and as this boat was being lowered this foreigner must have jumped from A deck into the boat. SENATOR SMITH: Did he catch something and throw himself into the boat? MR. EVANS: No; he just deliberately jumped across into the boat. SENATOR SMITH: And saved himself? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: What occurred then; was it lowered? MR. EVANS: It was lowered. SENATOR SMITH: To the water? MR. EVANS: Yes; to the water. SENATOR SMITH: If I understand you correctly, Murdock, who was chief officer, loaded that boat by having the women jump from the boat deck into the lifeboat? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: A distance of how much? MR. EVANS: About 2 1/2 or 3 feet. SENATOR SMITH: In order to get them in there? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did the women hesitate about getting in? MR. EVANS: One or two women did, sir; but he compelled them to jump. He told them that they must. SENATOR SMITH: Did any women refuse to jump? MR. EVANS: One or two women refused, in the first place, to jump; but after he told them, they finally went. SENATOR SMITH: When you got to the water, what did you do? MR. EVANS: We unhooked the falls, sir. It was impossible to get to the tripper, on account of the women being packed so tightly. It was impossible to get to the tripper underneath the thwart. SENATOR SMITH: What was done then? MR. EVANS: We had to lift the fall up off the hook to release the spring to get the block and fall away from it. SENATOR SMITH: And then what did you do? MR. EVANS: We unhooked it by hand. SENATOR SMITH: Then what did you do? MR. EVANS: We pushed off from the ship and rowed away. SENATOR SMITH: How far away? MR. EVANS: About 200 yards. SENATOR SMITH: What did you do then? MR. EVANS: We went over to where there were three more boats, and we tied up to them. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know which lifeboats you tied up to? MR. EVANS: There was No. 12. SENATOR SMITH: Your boat? MR. EVANS: I was in No. 10, then. SENATOR SMITH: Yes, I understand; but No. 12 was your own boat? MR. EVANS: Yes, she was my original boat. That was my station. SENATOR SMITH: What were the numbers of the other boats? MR. EVANS: I was in No. 10, and we tied up to No. 12. We gave the man our painter and made fast, and we stopped there. SENATOR SMITH: How long did you stop there? MR. EVANS: We stopped there about an hour, I think it was, sir, when No. 14 boat come over with one officer. SENATOR SMITH: What officer? MR. EVANS: The fifth officer, I think it was. SENATOR SMITH: Mr. Lowe; No. 14 boat? MR. EVANS: No. 14 boat. He came over in No. 14 boat, and he says, "Are there any seamen there?" We said, "Yes, sir." He said, "All right; you will have to distribute these passengers among these boats. Tie them all together and come into my boat," he said, "to go over into the wreckage and pick up anyone that is alive there." So we got into his boat and went straight over toward the wreckage. We picked up four men there, sir; alive. SENATOR SMITH: When you went over toward the wreckage, how many people were in your boat? MR. EVANS: Eight or nine, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And you picked up how many? MR. EVANS: We picked up four persons alive? SENATOR SMITH: Any dead? MR. EVANS: One died on the way back, sir. There were plenty of dead bodies about us. SENATOR SMITH: How many? Scores of them? MR. EVANS: You couldn't hardly count them, sir. I was afraid to look over the sides because it might break my nerves down. SENATOR SMITH: Did these bodies have life preservers on? MR. EVANS: Yes, sir; from here upward [indicating] they were clear of the water. They were like that [indicating]. They simply had perished, sir. SENATOR SMITH: The boat that came to you was under sail? MR. EVANS: After we left the wreckage we made sail to another boat that was in distress, farther over. SENATOR SMITH: That was Lowe's boat, was it not? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: When you picked up these four men, that left you 13 people in your boat? MR. EVANS: Thirteen; yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see other people in the water, or hear their cries? MR. EVANS: No, sir; none whatsoever, sir, other than these four persons we picked up. SENATOR SMITH: Did you not hear the cries of anyone in distress? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: For help? MR. EVANS: In the first place, when the ship sank I was in No. 10 boat, then, sir. SENATOR SMITH: When the ship sank you heard these cries? MR. EVANS: We heard these cries, but we took them to be the boats that went away from the starboard side of the ship; that they were cheering one another, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Giving them encouragement? MR. EVANS: Giving them encouragement, sir. SENATOR SMITH: When you went back toward the wreckage the Titanic had been sunk how long? MR. EVANS: It must have been about an hour and a half, I should think. SENATOR SMITH: And you laid by, about 200 yards off, for an hour and a half? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: And then pulled over toward the place where she sank? MR. EVANS: Yes; that was in No. 14 boat, sir, with the officer. SENATOR SMITH: And you picked up four people? MR. EVANS: Four people, sir. SENATOR SMITH: One of whom died? MR. EVANS: One died; yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: On the way to the Carpathia? MR. EVANS: He died in the boat, sir. SENATOR SMITH: One of whom died in the boat? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Was that Mr. Hoyt? MR. EVANS: I could not say. He was a very stout man. SENATOR SMITH: A large man? MR. EVANS: A large, fleshy man. SENATOR SMITH: He was a large, fleshy man, and you had great trouble in getting him into the boat? MR. EVANS: We had great trouble getting him into the boat. SENATOR SMITH: And you had to unfasten his collar to give him a chance to breathe? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Why did you not go over toward the wreck quicker? MR. EVANS: In No. 14 boat or in No. 10 boat, sir? SENATOR SMITH: In No. 14 boat. MR. EVANS: The officer was in command of that boat then, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And he did not care to go over? MR. EVANS: That I could not say, sir. SENATOR SMITH: He did not order you to go over? MR. EVANS: He wanted as full a crew as he could get, to go over there quicker. SENATOR SMITH: He got the crew as soon as he got alongside of you? MR. EVANS: Yes; he got alongside of these boats and got rid of his passengers. We never saw him before that, so that I do not know what he did. SENATOR SMITH: How many men did he have in his crew? MR. EVANS: In his crew in No. 14 boat, sir? SENATOR SMITH: Yes. MR. EVANS: Eight or nine, sir. There were stewards and firemen. SENATOR SMITH: He had eight or nine when you went back to the wreck? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: But how many did he have in his crew when you first saw No. 14 boat? MR. EVANS: I could not say, sir. I could not tell you that, sir. I never took the trouble to count them. SENATOR SMITH: Did he use his revolver any, going over there? MR. EVANS: The fifth officer used one, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Where? MR. EVANS: He fired four shots when we went to this boat that was in distress. She was half full of water, and they were up to their ankles in water. There was one collapsible boat that we had in tow, and we went over to this one that was swamped, sir. Three dead persons were left there, besides our taking two other people into our boat, and one woman. SENATOR SMITH: I did not understand you to say that any women were taken off of this boat ­ the collapsible boat. MR. EVANS: The second officer was on the collapsible boat. We had a collapsible boat in tow, sir. Then we went over to this other collapsible boat that was swamped. There was one woman in it, and I should say there were about 10 or a dozen men, and 3 dead bodies were lying across the thwarts in the stern sheets. SENATOR SMITH: As I understand you, that boat was taking in water? MR. EVANS: The collapsible boat? SENATOR SMITH: Yes. MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And capsizing? MR. EVANS: No, sir; she was swamped. She was up out of the water, but she was swamped. SENATOR SMITH: The people were taken out of that boat? MR. EVANS: Into our boat. SENATOR SMITH: Into your boat? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Including one woman, and all the balance were men? MR. EVANS: Yes, sir; the remainder of them were men. SENATOR SMITH: Were those men seamen? MR. EVANS: No, sir; I never saw any seamen thee. There were firemen and passengers SENATOR SMITH: Firemen and passengers? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: How many passengers were there? MR. EVANS: There were one or two firemen I recognized, and some of them might have been firemen, and I did not know them, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Would you say the largest proportion of those in that boat which was swamped were passengers or members of the crew of the Titanic? MR. EVANS: The majority of them were passengers. SENATOR SMITH: How many were passengers; half of them? MR. EVANS: About eight of the dozen, I should think, sir, and this one woman. SENATOR SMITH: I do not think I have yet got the number of that swamped boat. Do you know what the number of it was? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: It was a collapsible boat, but what was the number of it? MR. EVANS: No, sir; I could not give you the number of it. SENATOR SMITH: After you took these four people into boat No. 14 from the water, what did you do? MR. EVANS: I had a thorough good look around everywhere in the wreckage. SENATOR SMITH: To see if you could see any life? MR. EVANS: To see if I could see any live ones ­ any live bodies. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any alive? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: A good many dead? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any women dead in the water? MR. EVANS: No, sir; mostly men. SENATOR SMITH: Was it daylight at this time? MR. EVANS: Just breaking daylight. SENATOR SMITH: Did you have a lamp in your boat? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Was there a lamp in boat No. 14? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Or a lamp in No. 10 boat? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: When you found there were no live persons whom you could rescue, why did you not take some of the dead ones aboard? You had lots of room. MR. EVANS: That lay with the officer. SENATOR SMITH: And what did he say about it? MR. EVANS: He did not pass any remark at all, sir. He said, "Have a good look around, and see if you can see anybody alive at all." SENATOR SMITH: And when you did find anybody alive, what did this officer say? MR. EVANS: The officer said, "Hoist the sail forward." I did so, and made sail. SENATOR SMITH: Hoist the sail forward? MR. EVANS: Yes; on the foremast; and we altered the course into the direction of this collapsible boat which had been swamped. On the way down we picked up another collapsible boat that had some women and children; in it, and took here in tow, and then we sailed to this sinking boat. SENATOR SMITH: What did you go out to the sinking boat for? There was nobody on it? MR. EVANS: It was a boat that was swamped. SENATOR SMITH: Yes; but you had taken the people of that before. MR. EVANS: No; we took this other boat in tow before we went to the boat that was swamped. We picked her up on our way down toward the boat that was swamped. SENATOR SMITH: This boat that was swamped you went to after you had been around the wreck? MR. EVANS: Yes; we came from the wreck direct in the direction of this boat that was swamped. SENATOR SMITH: Then you took these people? MR. EVANS: Yes; off that boat, into ours. SENATOR SMITH: And let the collapsible drift? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: How many people did you find in that swamped boat? MR. EVANS: There were about 4 of them and this 1 woman. There were about 12 men and 1 woman. SENATOR SMITH: That made about 25 people, including the one who died? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you take off of the swamped boat the dead bodies? MR. EVANS: No, sir; we left them there. SENATOR SMITH: You left them there to drift? MR. EVANS: Yes; three of them that were dead. SENATOR SMITH: Were those dead people passengers? MR. EVANS: I could not say, sir. They were lying right over the thwarts, like that [indicating]. SENATOR SMITH: Did you know any of them? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you look at them? MR. EVANS: No, sir, I did not particularly look at them. I was assisting the other passengers off. SENATOR SMITH: Evidently you do not like to look at dead people very well. MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Is that one of the reasons why you did not pick up more of these dead people that were floating around there? MR. EVANS: If the officer had given orders to pick them up, we should have picked them up. SENATOR SMITH: But he gave no orders? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: There was a lot of cork floating around on the water. Did you see any of it? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: After you got those people out of that swamped boat it was daylight? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: And you sighted the Carpathia coming? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Did you row toward her? MR. EVANS: We did not row toward her; we made sail. SENATOR SMITH: You laid down your oars? MR. EVANS: Laid down our oars and hoisted sail to make more speed, to get rid of these passengers, to get them aboard as soon as possible. SENATOR SMITH: So that you went out with sail? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: To the Carpathia? MR. EVANS: Yes; under sail to the Carpathia, with the collapsible boat in tow. One of the ladies there passed over a flash of whisky to the people who were all wet through. She asked if anybody needed the spirits, and these people were all soaking wet, and nearly perished and they passed it around between these men and women. SENATOR SMITH: Who took it? MR. EVANS: They gave a woman the first drink. After that the men passengers who were wet through. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know the quartermaster, Hichens? MR. EVANS: No, sir; I have never been in conversation with him. SENATOR SMITH: Do you yourself know him by sight? MR. EVANS: I know him by sight. SENATOR SMITH: Was he in that collapsible boat? MR. EVANS: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: How long did it take you after you sighted the Carpathia to get alongside of her? MR. EVANS: About 20 minutes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: During that time that you lay off from the wreck, and during the time that you cruised around the wreck, around the place of the disaster, and while you were sailing out to the Carpathia, did you see any icebergs? MR. EVANS: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Many? MR. EVANS: Five or six, I should think, sir. SENATOR SMITH: How big? MR. EVANS: Some were tremendous icebergs?