SENATOR SMITH:  You say you doubled the lookout?
MR. MOORE:  Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Let us get into the record exactly what you mean by that.
MR. MOORE:  Before this we had only one man on the lookout, sir.

SENATOR SMITH:  One man in the crow's nest?
MR. MOORE:  One man in the crow's nest, and we put another man on the forward bridge, and the fourth officer we put on the forecastle head, so, if the ice was low down, he perhaps could see it farther than we could on the bridge.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you take any other precautions to avoid danger or accident?
MR. MOORE:  Not at that time, sir.  We had the lookout, and the engines were at "stand by," sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  So you were simply protecting yourself against ice at that time?
MR. MOORE:  That is all, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  And you had stopped your boat?
MR. MOORE:  Oh, no, sir.  We had only the engines at "stand by."
SENATOR SMITH:  Were you stopped at any time?
MR. MOORE:  We were stopped; yes.
SENATOR SMITH:  So, I understand you.
MR. MOORE:  At 3:25 by our time we stopped.
SENATOR SMITH:  Where were you then; in what position was your ship?
MR. MOORE:  I should say we were then about 14 miles off the Titanic's position.
SENATOR SMITH:  Can you tell me just what your position was; did you take it?
MR. MOORE:  I could not; I could not take any position.  There was nothing ­ I could not see­­
SENATOR SMITH:  You judged you were 14 miles from the Titanic?
MR. MOORE:  That is what I estimate.
SENATOR FLETCHER:  What time was that?
MR. MOORE:  At 3:25 o'clock.
SENATOR SMITH:  Was it dark or was day breaking?
MR. MOORE:  It was dark, then, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  What did you do then?
MR. MOORE:  I stopped the ship.  Before that I want to say that I met a schooner or some small craft, and I had to get out of the way of that vessel and the light of that vessel seemed to go out.
SENATOR SMITH:  The light of the schooner seemed to go out?
MR. MOORE:  The light of the schooner; yes.  When this light was on my bow, a green light, I starboarded my helm.
SENATOR SMITH:  The schooner was between you and the Titanic's position.
MR. MOORE:  Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  And in your track?
MR. MOORE:  She was a little off our bow, and I immediately starboarded the helm and got the two lights green to green, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Was this schooner coming toward you?
MR. MOORE:  I was steering east and this green light was opening to me.
SENATOR SMITH:  Was he evidently coming from the direction in which the Titanic lay?
MR. MOORE:  Somewhere from there, sir.  Of course, had he been coming straight he would have shown me his two lights, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  I have been informed that a derelict schooner was in the sea in that vicinity that night without anybody aboard her.  Can you tell me whether or not this schooner was inhabited?
MR. MOORE:  I could not say, sir.  All I could see was the lights.  It was dark.
SENATOR SMITH:  You saw a light on the schooner?
MR. MOORE:  A light on the schooner; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Where was that light?
MR. MOORE:  I could not say where the light was on the schooner, but I dare say­­
SENATOR SMITH:  Whether it was fore or aft?
MR. MOORE:  No, sir; I could not say.
SENATOR SMITH:  The light, however, would indicate that it was inhabited?
MR. MOORE:  At that time; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  You had no communication with any person and did not see any person, on that schooner, yourself?
MR. MOORE:  Oh, no, sir.  It was quite dark.

SENATOR SMITH:  How much nearer the Titanic's position do you think that schooner was than your boat at the time you have­­
MR. MOORE:  I should say this light could not have been more than a mile or a mile and a half away, because I immediately put my helm hard astarboard, because I saw the light, and after I got the light on the starboard bow then the light seemed to suddenly go out.  I kept on and then the quartermaster must have let her come up toward the east again, because I heard the foghorn on this schooner.  He blew his foghorn, and we immediately put the helm hard astarboard, and I ordered full speed astern and took the way off the boat.
SENATOR SMITH:  You think the schooner was within a short distance of the Titanic?
MR. MOORE:  I thought she was within a short distance of us, because I put the engines full astern to avoid her.
SENATOR SMITH:  Now, let us see if we understand one another.  How far was this schooner from you?
MR. MOORE:  Well, I should think at that time we could not have been so far apart.  I could not judge because you can not judge by a light at sea.
SENATOR SMITH:  At 3:25 a.m. you think you were 14 miles away from the Titanic?
MR. MOORE:  Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  At about that time you saw this schooner?
MR. MOORE:  Oh, no; it was just shortly after 3 o'clock when I saw the schooner, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  That is what I say ­ about 3:25?
MR. MOORE:  No; just shortly after 3 o'clock I saw the schooner.  That was before I stopped her on account of the ice getting so thick, sir.  As a matter of fact, I did not stop her altogether; I simply stopped the engines and let the way run off the ship and then proceeded slowly.
SENATOR SMITH:  One light, you said, was on the schooner?
MR. MOORE:  One light.  I just saw the one light.  He would have his starboard side open to me.
SENATOR SMITH:  What did you do then, after the schooner passed and got out of the way?
MR. MOORE:  I put her on course again, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  I want to be certain that the schooner was as near the Titanic as I thought I understood you to say it was.
MR. MOORE:  I should say the schooner, from the position of the Titanic, would be, perhaps, 12 1/2 to 13 miles.
SENATOR SMITH:  Exactly; and from you at the same time?
MR. MOORE:  At that time it would be farther off, because it was 3:25 when I stopped the ship; I reckon it was shortly after 3 o'clock.  I could not give the times, because I did not take them; but at 3:25    I was 14 miles off.  This was shortly after 3 o'clock, when I met the schooner, and had to starboard to get out of the way.  That meant I starboarded about two points.
SENATOR SMITH:  About how fast was that schooner moving?
MR. MOORE:  He could not have been moving very fast.
SENATOR SMITH:  How fast?  Just give me your best judgment.
MR. MOORE:  I dare say she would be making a couple of knots an hour.  Some time after that the breeze sprang up until we had quite a fresh breeze.
SENATOR SMITH:  This schooner came from the direction of the Titanic's position?
MR. MOORE:  Fairly well, sir.  You see I was going north 65-degrees east, and he angled a bit to the south, because if he had come directly from the other, of course, he would have shown me two lights, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  What I am trying to get at is this:  One or two of the ship's officers of the Titanic say that after the collision with the iceberg they used the Morse signals and rockets for the purpose of attracting help, and that while they were using these rockets and displaying the Morse signals they saw lights ahead, or saw lights, that could not have been over 5 miles from the Titanic.  What I am seeking to develop is the question as to what light that was they saw.

MR. MOORE:  Well, it may have been the light of the tramp steamer that was ahead of us, because when I turned there was a steamer on my port bow.
SENATOR SMITH:  Going in the same direction?
MR. MOORE:  Almost in the same direction.  As he went ahead, he gradually crossed our bow until he got on the starboard bow, sir ­ on our starboard bow.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you see that ship yourself?
MR. MOORE:  I saw it myself.  I was on the bridge all the time.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you communicate with it by wireless?
MR. MOORE:  I do not think he had any wireless; I am sure he had no wireless because in the daylight I was close to him.
SENATOR SMITH:  How large a vessel was it?
MR. MOORE:  I should say a ship of about 4,000 or 5,000 tons.
SENATOR SMITH:  How large a vessel is the Mount Temple, which you command?
MR. MOORE:  Six thousand six hundred and sixty­one tons register.
SENATOR SMITH:  And the Mount Temple is one of the fleet of the Canadian Pacific Railway?
MR. MOORE:  Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you come close enough to that ship to which you have just referred to determine what she was?
MR. MOORE:  As to her name, sir?
SENATOR SMITH:  Her name?
MR. MOORE:  No; I did not get her name.
SENATOR SMITH:  Or her character?
MR. MOORE:  I think she was a foreign ship, sir.  She was not English.  I do not think she was English, because she did not show her ensign.
SENATOR SMITH:  Do you know the vessel Helig Olav?
MR. MOORE:  No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Have you seen that vessel since you saw her early that morning ­ Monday?
MR. MOORE:  I saw her until after 9 o'clock, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  But had no communications with her?
MR. MOORE:  Had no communications with her.  We were trying to pick him out in the signal book, and we were trying to signal with him, because I think he was under the impression that I was going to the eastward, that I was bound to the eastward, and I think when I turned back after we both stopped, when we found the ice too heavy, he followed me, because when I turned around, after finding the ice too heavy to the southward, after I went to the southward later on in the morning, when it got daylight, and I went down to where he was, thinking he perhaps had gotten into a thin spot, when I got there he had stopped, he had found the ice too heavy.  I went a little farther, and I turned around because it was getting far too heavy to put the ship through.  But that would be about 5, or perhaps half past 5, in the morning, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  You have no means of determining what the name of that vessel is, or what the name of the commander is?
MR. MOORE:  I had no communication with him whatever, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Were you close enough to see whether her funnel was of any special color?
MR. MOORE:  If I can remember rightly it was black, with some device in a band near the top.
SENATOR SMITH:  You have never seen her since that night?
MR. MOORE:  I have not seen her since that morning I saw her, after 9 o'clock in the morning, because she followed me right around this ice pack, you know, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you get any nearer the Titanic's position given you in the wireless C.Q.D. message than the point you have just mentioned?
MR. MOORE:  At 3:25 I stopped the engines, and then went slowly to avoid the ice, because it was too dark to proceed full speed on account of the ice.

SENATOR SMITH:  Did you reach the Titanic's position?
MR. MOORE:  I reached the Titanic's position.  I reckon I was very close to that position, either that position or very close to it, at 4:30 in the morning, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Was there any other vessel there at that time?
MR. MOORE:  None except the tramp, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Except the tramp that cut across­­
MR. MOORE:  That cut across my bow.  I could see him then.  He was a little to the southward of me, but ahead of me, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  When you were at that point what did you do and what did you see?
MR. MOORE:  I saw a large ice pack right to the east of me, sir; right in my track ­ right in my course.
SENATOR SMITH:  How large?
MR. MOORE:  In consulting my officers as to the breadth of this, one said it was 5 miles and other said it was 6 miles.
SENATOR SMITH:  How wide was it?
MR. MOORE:  That was the width of it.
SENATOR SMITH:  How long was it?
MR. MOORE:  Of course it extended as far as the eye could reach, north and south, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Twenty miles or more?
MR. MOORE:  I should say 20 miles, perhaps more than that.  It was field ice and bergs.
SENATOR SMITH:  Bergs also?
MR. MOORE:  Yes; bergs interspersed in the pack, sir, and bowlders.
SENATOR SMITH:  How many bergs were there?
MR. MOORE:  I should say, altogether, there must have been between 40 and 50 I counted that morning.
SENATOR SMITH:  And varying in size?
MR. MOORE:  Varying in size.
SENATOR SMITH:  From what?
MR. MOORE:  Some were very long and square, but very low in the water.  Others were high and of various shapes.
SENATOR SMITH:  How high was the highest ­ the largest one?
MR. MOORE:  I should say fully 200 feet high, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Do you know the height of the Titanic from the water's edge?
MR. MOORE:  On my boat, when she is light, it is about 50 feet from the water line to my bridge.
SENATOR SMITH:  The Titanic, according to the testimony, was 70 feet from the water line; and you say this largest iceberg that you saw was 200 feet above the water line?
MR. MOORE:  About that, I should think, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  How far were they from you?
MR. MOORE:  We got near to several of them.
SENATOR SMITH:  How near?
MR. MOORE:  Not more than a mile or so off, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you become apprehensive when they got that close?
MR. MOORE:  Not a mile, sir; oh no.
SENATOR SMITH:  You could see farther away than a mile?
MR. MOORE:  Yes.  In some cases you may get close them; in others they have long spurs running underneath the water.  In daytime in clear water you can see the spurs, because they show quite green under the water.  Of course, my orders to my officers are to give them a wide berth; not take any chances whatever.
SENATOR SMITH:  The night that you doubled your lookout did you use glasses in the crow's nest or have a searchlight,, or anything of that kind?
MR. MOORE:  No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Do you ever uses glasses in the crow's nest?
MR. MOORE:  Never.
SENATOR SMITH:  You use them on the bridge?
MR. MOORE:  Yes, sir.  Every officer has his own glasses, and then the ship provides glasses besides.
SENATOR SMITH:  Have you ever been in the north Atlantic on a vessel equipped with searchlights?
MR. MOORE:  No, sir.

SENATOR SMITH:  I should like your judgment as to whether or not searchlights in darkness and in fog would prove an advantage in detecting icebergs in your path?
MR. MOORE:  In fog they are utterly useless, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  And in clear weather?
MR. MOORE:  If you had a very powerful projector it might be of some use, but in fog it would be just like throwing that light on a blank wall.
SENATOR SMITH:  Have you ever been aboard a British battleship or any ship of the British Navy?
MR. MOORE:  Not for many years, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Have you ever been aboard any ship that found a buoy with a searchlight?
MR. MOORE:  No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH:  Do you know if it is not customary in tortuous channels to search out even minute objects, like buoys marking the course in the river or sea, with searchlights?
MR. MOORE:  I have never had any experience.  Of course, I know they use the searchlight in the Suez Canal.
SENATOR SMITH:  How do you know it?
MR. MOORE:  From conversations with others, and I have heard so from my officers who have been through the Suez Canal.
SENATOR SMITH:  They rely on the searchlight to quite a considerable extent in going through the Suez Canal, do they not?