MR. WOOLNER: I did not recognize anybody. I did not know any of them by sight. They were simply people. SENATOR SMITH: Was this boat that you jumped into hanging straight down from the davits­­ MR. WOOLNER: [interrupting]. Rather out than straight down. SENATOR SMITH: [continuing]. On the boat deck, or was it held out from the side of A deck by anything? MR. WOOLNER: No; it seemed to me to be hanging out from the ship, because the ship had a list to port. That is how it appeared to me. SENATOR SMITH: The ship listed to the port side? MR. WOOLNER: Yes; and that is why I judge the boat was hanging out so far away. SENATOR SMITH: And that threw this lifeboat out away from the side of the ship? MR. WOOLNER: Yes, sir; that is how I judged it.; SENATOR SMITH: About 9 feet? MR. WOOLNER: Yes, sir; I should judge it was about that; about 8 feet 6, perhaps. It was not less than 8 feet, and probably 9. SENATOR SMITH: Did the lifeboats appear to be new? MR. WOOLNER: I could not tell. They were perfectly watertight. SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any food or water in your lifeboat? MR. WOOLNER: We had a water breaker, I think they call it; but there was no water in it. SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any food in the boat? MR. WOOLNER: Not that I know of. SENATOR SMITH: Did anybody ask for food? MR. WOOLNER: No. A sailor offered some biscuits, which I was using for feeding a small child who had waked up and was crying. It was one of those little children for whose parents everybody was looking; the larger one of those two. SENATOR SMITH: Its mother was not on this boat? MR. WOOLNER: No. SENATOR SMITH: How old was that child? MR. WOOLNER: I should think it was about 5, as nearly as I can judge. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know of what nationality it was? MR. WOOLNER: I could not quite make out. SENATOR SMITH: Do you know whether it was English or American? MR. WOOLNER: I should say it was not either. I should think it was ­­ SENATOR SMITH: [interposing]. I mean whether it belonged to an English parent or American parent? MR. WOOLNER: It looked like a French child; but it kept shouting for its doll, and I could not make out what it said before that. It kept saying it over and over again. SENATOR SMITH: Were there two of these children in the boat? MR. WOOLNER: I can not tell. This is the only one that I had anything to do with. There were several other children in the boat. We handed them into a bag, and they were pulled up the Carpathia's side. SENATOR SMITH: Have you seen them since? MR. WOOLNER: Yes; I think I saw it once on the Carpathia. It had very curly hair; light brownish curly hair. SENATOR SMITH: Was the child identified on the Carpathia? MR. WOOLNER: Not as far as I know. SENATOR SMITH: From what you say, Mr. Woolner, I should judge that you have no complaint to make about the discipline of the crew or the conduct of the officers? MR. WOOLNER: Absolutely none. SENATOR SMITH: And you do not know whether these men that crowded up around there, and crowded the women back, were of the crew or were passengers. MR. WOOLNER: I could not possibly tell. SENATOR SMITH: That is the only instance where they did crowd? MR. WOOLNER: That is the only instance that I saw. SENATOR SMITH: On the way out from this group of lifeboats that were tied together to the swamped boat where these people were standing up in the water­­ MR. WOOLNER: [interrupting]. The first one or the last one? SENATOR SMITH: The first one. At that time did you hear any revolver shots? MR. WOOLNER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Who fired them? MR. WOOLNER: I think it was then. I do not know who fired them. Somebody fired, I think, 4 shots in rapid succession, and we in our boat were wondering what it was, and somebody in our boat said, "I suppose it is meant for a signal." SENATOR SMITH: Could you see the man who fired the shots? MR. WOOLNER: No; they were so rapid one hardly had time to turn one's head around. SENATOR SMITH: You would not recognize him if I were to point him out to you? MR. WOOLNER: No; he was quite a ways off. SENATOR SMITH: Did that firing of those shots seem to add to the composure of the situation? MR. WOOLNER: It did not excite anybody. Nobody took any notice of it. They did not know what it meant, and they did not take any notice of it. SENATOR SMITH: Were you looking at the Titanic when she went down? MR. WOOLNER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: As you were looking at her when she went down, do you think she broke in two? MR. WOOLNER: I did not think so. SENATOR SMITH: You did not hear an explosions? MR. WOOLNER: No, sir; only a continuous rumbling noise. SENATOR SMITH: As she was going down. MR. WOOLNER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Were you where you could see the funnels? MR. WOOLNER: You could not really see a thing when the lights went out. It was all brilliantly lighted at the stern end, and suddenly the lights went out, and your eyes were so unaccustomed to the darkness, you could see nothing, and you could only hear sounds. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see anyone on the ship at all when you jumped into this lifeboat? MR. WOOLNER: There was nobody in sight. SENATOR SMITH: Nobody on your deck? MR. WOOLNER: Not a soul. SENATOR SMITH: And you saw no one on the other decks, I presume, as you were being lowered? I presume it was impossible for you to see those upper decks until you got out from the ship? MR. WOOLNER: Quite so. We were right up close, and it was like the side of a house, and we could see nothing at all. SENATOR SMITH: Do you think you have said everything that tends to throw any light on this inquiry regarding the ship, its crew, or officers, or equipment? MR. WOOLNER: I can not think of anything else, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You say the speed of the ship greatly increased? MR. WOOLNER: Judging by the log. SENATOR SMITH: And you looked at the log? MR. WOOLNER: Quite so. SENATOR SMITH: Did you look at it the first day out? MR. WOOLNER: I was not very much interested, because it was not a full 24 hours. I do not remember what that figure was. SENATOR SMITH: Did you look at it the second day out? MR. WOOLNER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: What did it record then? MR. WOOLNER: As I remember, it was 514 ­ 514, I think it was; either 500 or 400. I think it was 514, and then 546 the next day. SENATOR SMITH: You said 314 before. MR. WOOLNER: Did I? I meant 514. SENATOR SMITH: You meant 514 and 546? MR. WOOLNER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: You want your statement to stand corrected in that regard? MR. WOOLNER: If you please; if you will kindly correct it. SENATOR SMITH: When did you next see the log? MR. WOOLNER: I do not remember any more. SENATOR SMITH: When did you see the record next? MR. WOOLNER: I do not remember any figure. SENATOR SMITH: You saw it twice? MR. WOOLNER: Yes, sir; it was about 40 miles more the second time, I think. SENATOR SMITH: It had increased? MR. WOOLNER: About 40 miles, as nearly as I can remember. I have not thought of the figures since I looked at them, and I do not pretend to remember them accurately. SENATOR SMITH: That was for one day's run? MR. WOOLNER: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: A full day's run, 24 hours? MR. WOOLNER: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: What time was that? Do you know? Was it noon, Sunday? MR. WOOLNER: Yes, noon, Sunday. It was put up at about 1 o'clock on Sunday, in the companionway. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the Californian at the scene of the wreck? MR. WOOLNER: I saw her when she came up within a mile or two of the Carpathia. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any ice between the Californian and the Carpathia at that time? MR. WOOLNER: I don't think there was any between them; no. I think there was some behind the Californian. SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the Mount Temple that morning? MR. WOOLNER: No; I did not. SENATOR SMITH: This Canadian Pacific Railway boat? MR. WOOLNER: No. SENATOR SMITH: I think that is all, Mr. Woolner, and we are very much obliged to you for your courtesy. Witness excused. SENATOR SMITH: Mr. Sammis, I will not delay you longer. We may ask something of you later, but not to­day. MR. SAMMIS: Thank you. TESTIMONY OF MR. HAROLD S. BRIDE ­Recalled SENATOR SMITH: Mr. Bride, you were sworn in New York, and I hoped to have some of my colleagues here to examine you. There are one or two things I want to ask you. First, I would like to know how much you received for the story you gave to the New York Times. MR. BRIDE: I received a thousand dollars. SENATOR SMITH: I want to ask whether, on the way from the scene of the disaster to New York, you were at the wireless apparatus aboard the Carpathia? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir; I was at the wireless apparatus from Tuesday night to the time of docking. SENATOR SMITH: All of the time? MR. BRIDE: I relieved Mr. Cottam, watch and watch. SENATOR SMITH: How much of that time did you spend at the apparatus? MR. BRIDE: Mr. Cottam spent a great majority of the time in the actual transmission, and I was preparing the messages for him for transmission, and myself I did a certain amount. SENATOR SMITH: You had been injured on the Titanic? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And notwithstanding that, you relieved him? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: I want you to tell again, because there seems to be a little confusion about it, when you last saw the captain of the Titanic? MR. BRIDE: The last I saw of the captain of the Titanic, he went overboard from the bridge about, I should think, three minutes before I left it myself. SENATOR SMITH: Did he have a life preserver on? MR. BRIDE: I could not say, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You said in New York the other day that he did not. Do you want to correct that? MR. BRIDE: Yes; I want to correct it. He had not a life preserver on the whole of the time we were working; when he came into the cabin at frequent intervals. He had not a life preserver on then. SENATOR SMITH: How long was that before the ship sank? MR. BRIDE: That was from the time of the beginning of the catastrophe to the end. SENATOR SMITH: At no time did you see him with a life preserver on? MR. BRIDE: No. SENATOR SMITH: You spoke the other day of your mate, Phillips, who was the chief operator, I believe­­ MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: [continuing] and yourself, putting on life preservers, as I recollect, about 10 minutes before the boat sank? MR. BRIDE: Yes; I think it would be somewhere about that time before the boat sank; I could not say for certain. SENATOR SMITH: And you did not leave the ship until the captain gave your permission? MR. BRIDE: No. SENATOR SMITH: Had everyone else gone? MR. BRIDE: No, sir; there were several people about. SENATOR SMITH: Passengers? MR. BRIDE: I could not say. I should think they would be passengers, or crew; there were quite a number of sailors who assisted in getting the collapsible off the top deck. SENATOR SMITH: Did any of them get into it? MR. BRIDE: No, sir; I think I was the only one that was in it. SENATOR SMITH: When did you get in, before it left the side of the Titanic? MR. BRIDE: I was not exactly in it, either; I got hold of it. That was as far as I got. SENATOR SMITH: You got hold of it? MR. BRIDE: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: As it fell into the water it fell over you, upside down; is that correct? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: So that you were down under this overturned boat? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: You swam out from under that boat, and at that time you saw the boat sink? MR. BRIDE: Which boat? SENATOR SMITH: The Titanic? MR. BRIDE: A short time after that I saw the Titanic sink. SENATOR SMITH: How many minutes afterwards? MR. BRIDE: The time was long enough to give me a chance of getting away from the Titanic itself. SENATOR SMITH: From the side? MR. BRIDE: The distance I estimate at 150 feet. SENATOR SMITH: You had time to get 150 feet away from the side, and then she sank? MR. BRIDE: Yes. SENATOR SMITH: Then you found your way back to this overturned collapsible boat? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And by that time you say it was crowded? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And you got on? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Between the time that you got into the water and the time that the Titanic went down I understood you to say you saw the captain still on the deck? MR. BRIDE: No, sir; I said the captain left the Titanic a minute or two minutes before I left the Titanic myself. He left by way of the bridge. SENATOR SMITH: He must have left immediately after telling you to take care of yourself? MR. BRIDE: No, sir; because we did not leave the cabin immediately the captain told us to. SENATOR SMITH: What did you do? MR. BRIDE: Phillips gave another call of C.Q.D., I believe, and had an answer to it. SENATOR SMITH: From whom? MR. BRIDE: I could not say whom the answer was from. I could hear what Mr. Phillips was sending, but I could not hear what he was receiving. SENATOR SMITH: And he did not state to you from whom the answer came? MR. BRIDE: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: And you had no means of fixing the source of that message. MR. BRIDE: No, sir. I do not think there was an answer, because he would have told me if there had been. SENATOR SMITH: Was your C.Q.D. confirmed by any other ship's operator? MR. BRIDE: Phillips called C.Q.D. and listened for an answer, but whether he got one or not I can not tell. He did not tell me he had an answer. He did not say he had not got an answer. SENATOR SMITH: And you never talked with him about it after that? MR. BRIDE: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Did you ever see him alive after that? MR. BRIDE: I saw him walking aft as I was helping to get the collapsible onto A deck. SENATOR SMITH: And he got aboard the collapsible, too. MR. BRIDE: So I am told. SENATOR SMITH: As I recollect, you say he died before you got to the Carpathia? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: So you are unable to fix, by any means, the source of this answer he got? MR. BRIDE: I think he would have stated it if he had had an answer. SENATOR SMITH: Was that last C.Q.D. all you said, or all he said? MR. BRIDE: That was the last, because we were of the opinion at the end that we were not getting a spark, owing to the poor supply of power. SENATOR SMITH: The power had been impaired? MR. BRIDE: The power was being impaired all the time. SENATOR SMITH: And you were not getting your full spark? MR. BRIDE: No, sir. SENATOR SMITH: That interfered somewhat with the results? MR. BRIDE: Yes, sir. SENATOR SMITH: Do you recollect being in communication with the Mount Temple during Sunday evening? MR. BRIDE: No, sir; I can not recollect it. SENATOR SMITH: I want to fix this fact in the record, so that there can be no question about it. What was the hour when the Californian tried to get you Sunday evening? MR. BRIDE: With the ice report? SENATOR SMITH: Yes.