SENATOR SMITH:  Did you hear any order given by anyone for the men to stand back?
MR. BISHOP:  I heard no such order.
SENATOR SMITH:  "Women first," or "Women and children first,"?
MR. BISHOP:  No.
SENATOR SMITH:  At the time the first lifeboat was lowered, are you willing to say that that order had not been made?
MR. BISHOP:  Absolutely.
SENATOR SMITH:  Of the 13 passengers in your lifeboat, did you say you knew none except your wife?
MR. BISHOP:  I knew a good many of them­­­
SENATOR SMITH:  [interposing].  Your wife and this Frenchman?
MR. BISHOP:  I knew other men in there, but I can not recall their names.  I would like to revise that statement I just made, in a way, about the order, "Women first."  I can say positively there was no such order given on the starboard side, near where our boat was lowered.  What happened on the port side I knew nothing of, at all.
SENATOR SMITH:  Do you know what officer took charge of loading and lowering the boats on the starboard side?
MR. BISHOP:  Only from what I have heard of the testimony.

SENATOR SMITH:  Was it Mr. Murdock or Mr. Lightoller?
MR. BISHOP:  I could not be sure who it was, from my own observation; only from the testimony here.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you see the captain there superintending that part of the work, at any time?
MR. BISHOP:  I did not see the captain after the accident.
SENATOR SMITH:  Did you see him before the accident?
MR. BISHOP:  No.
SENATOR SMITH:  I think that is all, Mr. Bishop.  We are very much obliged for your kindness in waiting so long.
     Witness excused.

SENATOR SMITH:  Mr. Gracie wishes to make a further statement.

TESTIMONY OF MR. ARCHIBALD GRACIE  Continued

SENATOR SMITH:  Col. Gracie, would you like to make some additional statement beyond the one which you have just made?
MR. GRACIE:  Yes, sir; if I might be allowed to do so.
SENATOR SMITH:  Please do so.
MR. GRACIE:  I want to speak of Maj. Butt and Mr. Clarence Moore and Mr. Millet.  I testified that they were in the smoking room.  I want it understood that the time they were in the smoking room was about 1 o'clock.  That was not while the boats were being lowered.  I do not know what they did after that, after I saw them, but I did not see them on the upper deck or on the deck at all.  That is the last I saw of them.
SENATOR SMITH:  This time that you speak of was after the collision?
MR. GRACIE:  After the collision.
SENATOR SMITH:  And about an hour before the boat sank?
MR. GRACIE:  All of that.  It was more than an hour.
SENATOR SMITH:  An hour and 20 minutes?
MR. GRACIE:  Yes, fully that.  So that whatever they did after that is not in my testimony at all.
SENATOR SMITH:  You did not see them after that?
MR. GRACIE:  I did not see any of them after that.  I only mention that fact, because they were perfectly imperturbable, showing their confidence in the ship, that no disaster was going to take place.  In fact a great deal of my testimony is given for that purpose, to show how unconcerned everybody was about this serious disaster until the very last.
SENATOR SMITH:  That is all, Col. Gracie.
     Witness excused.

SENATOR SMITH:  In view of the statement of my colleagues on the subcommittee that a very important bill will be considered by the full Committee on Commerce to­morrow, we will suspend at this time and stand adjourned until Friday morning at 10 o'clock.

     Thereupon, at 4:20 o'clock p.m., April 30, 1912, the subcommittee adjourned until Friday, May 3, 1912, at 10 o'clock a.m.