| From: | mef |
| Date: | 30 Sep 2000 at 22:03:34 |
| Subject: | RE: AMIOPEN: Open Cores |
Harold,
I am under the impression that the VP translator is more closely analogous
to a straightforward "just in time" compiler. In contrast, Transmeta's
code-morpher and the HP Dynamo can optimize the code in further detail given
profile feedback collected at runtime. I stand corrected if Tao's VP
translator does more than just straightforward translation.
However, there is no fundamental reason why the VP translator cannot be
improved to do more of the runtime optimizations like Dynamo. If the Tao
Group would simply provide a GPL'd framework for people to start with, then
they could leverage the open source community further than just relying on
them to port basic utilities.
Cheers,
Marc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-open@amiga.com [mailto:owner-open@amiga.com]On Behalf Of
Harold Grovesteen
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 7:31 AM
To: open@amiga.com
Subject: Re: AMIOPEN: Open Cores
What do you think the VP translater is? It is nothing more than a code
morpher for a specific CPU. Instead of VP code, Transmeta has x86 code
and translates it (morphs it) for their hardware.
Harold Grovesteen
mef@cs.washington.edu wrote:
>
> With VP it is unimportant what underlying processor hardware Amiga (or
> anyone for that matter) would use. The goal would be to always use the
> fastest, best, and cheapest processor available. So, I don't see a
benefit
> for Amiga to throw resources in that direction.
>
> What might be cool is for someone to develop a code-morpher similar to
what
> Transmeta does for x86, but doing that for VP code. The code can be
> optimized like crazy through runtime profiling information. So, an
> interesting project for Amiga would be to build something similar to HP's
> Dynamo (our friends at ArsTechnica wrote a great review available from
> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/1q00/dynamo/dynamo-1.html).
>
> Cheers,
> Marc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-open@amiga.com [mailto:owner-open@amiga.com]On Behalf Of
> Zoltan Hunt
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:01 AM
> To: open@amiga.com
> Subject: Re: AMIOPEN: Open Cores
>
> This is an interesting one, especially after reading an article on
embedded
> systems and open source saying that 'open hardware' was unlikely. Still,
I
> wonder how this will go, I mean right now it costs a lot to get a chip
built
> even if you have the plans for it, perhaps this will be good for small
> companies.
>
> Zoltan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Martin <tb@amiga.org>
> To: open@amiga.com <open@amiga.com>
> Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 12:06 PM
> Subject: AMIOPEN: Open Cores
>
> >
> >If you guys wanna speak about CPUs and Hardware, well...might as well
speak
> >about Open Hardware then considering where we are. Belive it or not,
some
> >insain people have actualy designed some free CPUs as well as controlers,
> >mother boards etc designed to make cheap machines etc. Do you think that
an
> >Open Core Amiga would be a good option? A cheap easy made Amiga that we
can
> >use?
> >
> >Check it out.
> >http://www.opencores.org
> >
> >Comments please.
> >
> >--
> >Wayne A. Martin - Amiga.org
> >E-Mail: tb@amiga.org
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