| From: | Matt Sealey |
| Date: | 12 Mar 2001 at 23:16:53 |
| Subject: | Re: Javascript Does'nt work on my amiga ??? |
Hello Andy
On 13-Mar-01, you wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Sealey <matt@kittycat.co.uk>
>>
>> Nearly all objects on the page that can be enclosed in tags have onClick
>> handlers.
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/events/onclick.asp
>
> Let's not go there. Remember, MS haven't a clue when it comes to standards,
> trust the W3C instead ;)
But Microsoft have set the standard. The W3C define Sweet FA wrt Javascript
anyway, you want to talk to the ECMA. And guess what: Netscape 6's Javascript
implementation pretty much matches those specifications, which also matches
IE's specifications, apart from a few niggly details (NS6 coders decided against
certain features because they were a pain to do, and some Microsoft specific
stuff like accessing IE-specific features like ActiveX)
>> By specifying the object id, and the name of the handler (onclick) he is
>> in fact attaching that code, to that handler, on that object. It's perfectly
>> good Javascript.
>
> Depending on what browsers it works in, of course.
Owt with support for the decent side of the DOM.
I'm certain NS6 allows it. Certain, I say.
>> I suggest you quit taking Netscape 4.7's word for the scope of Javascript
>> these days, and read up on the documentation for NS6 and IE5.5 ;)
>
> Don't give up on NS4.x just yet
No, I did, because it's shit.
> it's still widely used.
By idiots and Netscape engineers, and Linux idiots (a different breed of idiot,
no?)
> and don't get me started on IE5.5. Try going to a website on a port other
> than port 80, and entering www.whereveritis.com:8080, for instance.
> (8080 being a fairly common other port). And then laugh at "Please try
> the following: Open the s: home page, and then look for the information
> you want". Add the http:// bit and you're in luck. And yes, that's been
> annoying me in a huge way lately, for various reasons.
You know what really pisses me off? When people go
"oh, and don't get me started on XYZ. Just do this, and that, some convoluted
step that only I've ever been bothered to try and do, and I didn't report it to
anyone at Microsoft, but it annoys me, therefore the entire product is
lacklustre in my opinion, ha ha ha"
Or did you actually report it to Microsoft as a painfully annoying bug? I
might be wrong about you, you never know..
What pisses me off most is when people take IE5.5 and say "well it's Microsoft
so it HAS to be non-standard". I challenge you to code to the Netscape specs
for Javascript, and I mean BEFORE the ECMA forced them to take their fists
out of their asses and actually THINK about it before implementing the classes.
IE - which does have sterling support for the W3C DOM - has the best JS
and the richest set of features. That you can't type in a valid URL and get
pissy when IE doesn't predict how you wanted it (Andy, go read the W3C
docs on how to format a URI) is annoying at best.
Thanks
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