| From: | Andy Hall |
| Date: | 19 Apr 2001 at 21:36:31 |
| Subject: | Re: Voyager Image Decoders |
Hello Matt
On 19-Apr-01, you wrote:
> > I don't have time to create an entire suite of pictures for you :)
Fair enough
> I only need one, just like you only need one sample of DNA to convict
> a murderer.
Hardly the same thing.
>>> Go on. Give me solid, noticable proof of somewhere that Voyager has
>>> lacklustre dithering in the same situations as IBrowse. I bet you
Well I have a peice of contrary evidence. Go to
http://www.jgen.fsnet.co.uk/browser.gif it shows Ibrowse beating Voyager on
the V3 portal page!
The test were done on my workbench screen, with Ibrowse loaded up first, the
screen grabbed, ibrowse quit then voyager loaded. According to you Matt,
Voyager should out perform Ibrowse under these conditions, but it very
clearly doesn't does it?
One thing the pictures don't show are the speeds at which the page loaded,
Voyger was much, much more slower than Ibrowse (although it's still got
debugging code in it, which may be why).
The point I'm trying to make is that
>>> No, because compared to IBrowse, Voyager isn't that bad at all. I
>> come here
>>> and slag IBrowse off because IBrowse is a truly lacklustre browser.
>>
>> It's faster, and more stable on my system. Point to me a working
>> Voyager that is the same. You can't. V3.2 is the last full version,
>> and it's crap. V3.3 is still a beta, and still has lots of problems.
>
> Nobody recommends you run 3.2 because it's got a huge crash-o-bug
> with the Javascript stack. 3.2.13 is the last recommended 3.2 version.
> If you're going to judge browsers with development like this, you can't
> judge by what was "last major release".
I'm talking about the last non-beta or alpha release. Shouldn't they
concern themselve with producing a working product before contiuing
development.
> I'm sure IBrowse 2.3 has all these lovely fixed bugs, but we don't see
> them. Voyager 3.3.97 is the fastest browser on the planet (yo ho,
> Opera look out :) and out-HTML's even Mozilla on some things. And
> certainly strips IBrowse of any crown of being "stable".
>
What bugs? I can run Ibrowse without any problems most of the time. Voyager
dies after 5 mins most of the time. Hell 3.2.xx and 3.3xx have both
crashed my system several times tonight between them.
>>> nukes it in that department as of this week..
Where? it may do for you, but then your in a privaleged position, you have
access to the latest betas of lots of software the rest of us doesn't.
>> But your talking internal betas not full working products. I have
>> hardly ever had Ibrowse crash on me, Voyager does it as part of a
>> routine.
>
> At least they're reproducable, then.
>
>>> HOW it's better, and what makes it a better buy than Voyager, then
>>> go ahead.
>>
>> Why should I bother?
>
> You seem to insist that I validate every one of my arguments in such
> ways, I don't see why you should be able to get away with "no it isn't"
> and a sly giggle.
Becuase your arguments are stupid to be blunt. You go all guns blazing
proclaiming this and that. Everybody knows that your personal friends with
that whole group of people, and that you'll always "jump to their rescue"
whether it's wanted or not.
> So wait for the next beta of 3.3 and I promise it'll be more stable. We've
> got people with an alleged 10 hour uptime of V, when previous records
> (running Planetarion :) are verging on 10 minutes.
I have no doubt your working on it. Strangley I found earlier versions far
more stable than some of the more recent ones, getting uptimes far greater
than was expected. It's just that you come on here slinging mud about,
getting nothing done.
> Whereas the last time I ran IBrowse (to run those tests, no less) my
> system nuked no less than 4 times trying to find an image that was
> a suitable test with some gradients and stuff.
But I'm sure that people here can say the exact opposite.
> And I have no confirmation that IBrowse is still being developed or
> will ever be released, or whether those crash bugs are known or
> whether they have or have not been fixed..
You argued elsewhere that Ibrowse hasn't appeared in over a year, beta
versions aside, voyager's verging on that too. You can't compare a cripple
beta version with a full release.
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