| From: | Andy Hall |
| Date: | 23 Apr 2001 at 00:44:30 |
| Subject: | Re: Common misconception (was Re: Voyager Image Decoders) |
Hello Matt
On 22-Apr-01, you wrote:
> Hey. No way to talk about people like that. Learn the truth: it's H&P that
> are the arrogant so-and-so's, and in fact the instigators of ever
> hostility between MorphOS, Vapor, MUI and some others.
l Know your all mates and everything, but when you make statements on a
public forum, you should take resposibilty for whatever you post. I know
your always jumping thier thier collective defense (I perticularly like the
postings on Moobunny where you jump to Ralphs defence saying "he has never
posted stuff on here like that" only for Ralph to reply "actually I have
lots of times Matt"
Lets look at the facts. Straight after the St. louis announcement before
MorphOS had even been mentioned, Ralph Schmidt jumps in to slag off Amiga
Inc. and contiued to do so for a long time afterward. As yet I've yet to
see Fleecy Moss be anything other than complementary towards Ralph and the
MorphOS project.
David Gerber jumps on the band wagon, with Amiga Inc bashing in all areas.
It's ther in black and white on the V3 portal. This is three days after he
throws a paddy over some article about flash on amiga that doesn't mention
Voyager. How childish.
> Just ask yourself.. who ripped off Ralph Schmidt's kernel and leveraged it
> to create a new solution in an attempt to gain control over a software
> market?
If it's ripped off then why doesn't he take legal action?
> Who managed to buy distribution rights to NetConnect without consent
> from the people who wrote and own 99.9% of the software? The same
> for appp.device. The same for Genesis. I believe the latter case is still
> ongoing, the former resolved only after months of shouting and crap
> from H&P, and the first only because the owners really have better
> things to be getting on with, like software development.
The only shouting I saw was from the Vapour team and you. If I remember
correctly you wanted to kick in Chris wiles didn't you?
>> Personally I don't rate H&P, I think they've cause more problems than
>> their worth, but all this backstabbing and politics isn't helping anyone.
>
> What backstabbing and politics? When someone is offering you a solution,
> you do not say "oh, we'll test it and support it" and then write your OWN
> solution that replaces their's using their development hardware.
Maybe they thought they could do better? If they've done something illeagal
then sue them. IIRC German law is very strict over IP.
>> One thing I can't understand is that *IF* the MorphOS solution was
>> technically superior then why didn't Amiga go for them?
>
> Because - and this is the truth - H&P took Amiga to one side and
> convinced them otherwise. Amiga asked MorphOS if they'd consider
> it, but they'd have to work with H&P. MorphOS refused in the grounds
> that they couldn't work with H&P under any circumstances.
Serious alligations, which I've heard before form Ralph, is there proof?
Besides what did they convince them with? Money? Booze? Women? Seriously,
AOS has become an important part of Amiga Inc.'s stratagy why would they
leave a superiour solution for a mickey mouse software house (no offence to
Disney Interactive(tm) employees!), it just does not make sense.
> If someone stole your puppy a few years back, then made friends
> with your wife, they ran off together, and then said "you can have
> the puppy back as long as I get to keep boning the wife", you'd
> find it unacceptable too.
Nice analogy, but it doesn't fit. Because there is no "wife" invloved Amiga
(in any form) has never worked with the morphOS team.
> The fact is: H&P don't do any work on the OS that isn't inherently
> replacable by any other developer on the planet, or actually DONE
> by some other developer. Why do Amiga need them? Friendship, they
> think keeping the linchpins of the market (developers) close to them
> should they slip.
If H&P are so bad then this wouldn't fit. You'd want better developers
close to you. I actually asked Fleecy why they bother to stick with H&P,
and he was quite open about how the OS was dump on them and that they
weren't really suited to it. Is it only H&P that is the problem or was
Ralph not allowed enough control (i.e. my way or the highway)?
> The phase5 G4's and AmiJoe cards were apparently going to run something in
> the vein of MorphOS - either an AmigaOS clone outright coded in-house
> (like a commercial AROS), or some kind of emulation layer.. but nothing to
> do with Haage & Partner. Remember MorphOS has been in development since
> before Gateway even rumoured OS3.5.
They never would have been relased then! Maybe that's why they went with
QNX.
> ExecPPC has not been "running for some time" in any form except WarpOS
> which has enough patches to exec.library to make a difference. The 68k
> emulator is known to be lacklustre in performance terms compared to that
> of MorphOS (which can hit 68060 speeds if it tries, H&P were going
> on about how a G4 would be required to make that cmfortable level)
How are you so certain about all this then? What (or who) do you know that
we don't.
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