| From: | Matt Sealey |
| Date: | 23 Apr 2001 at 11:29:37 |
| Subject: | Re: Common misconception (was Re: Voyager Image Decoders) |
Hello No_good@jgen.fsnet.co.uk
On 23-Apr-01, you wrote:
> --- In amigactive@y..., Matt Sealey <matt@k...> wrote:
>
>> The fact is you don't have a clue what the real story behind that
>> is. There's a perfectly, PERFECTLY good reason why Ralph started
>> slagging them off.
>
> What the hell kind of an argument is that? It's like something a 7
> year old would come up with. If theres a perfectly good reason then
> tell us, unless you don't have one. Put your money where your mouth
> is and ACTUALLY TELL US!
And have Ralph slag *me* off? No thanks. It's pretty easy to work out
why though, unless you're eternally stupid.
> What a childish response though. He could of just let it drop, it
> wasn't as if it was AA or Amiga.org had done it.
It's not the point how "famous" it was. The article made a mockery of the
work he'd done to bring flash to the platform. They didn't even give
Voyager a mention.
> Maybe they held a grudge against Vapor.
I don't think it's anything so complex as that. Just the guy writing the
article was a certifiable moron :P
>>> If it's ripped off then why doesn't he take legal action?
>>
>> You think they didn't? Just because you didn't hear about it..
>
> So did he succeed? I mean if they did rip it off then why didn't he
> win?
"he" succeed? phase5 is a "he" now?
>> I seem to remember phase5 went bankrupt before anything came of it.
>
> And why was that? Besides doesn't PUP belong to Ralph Schmidt?
> Couldn't he continue the suit?
PowerUP belonged to phase5. When phase5 died while it was still in
pretty much active development, it became the property of the author.
>> meeting with H&P afterwards)
>
> So they're not allowed to look at every solution? Besides I think
> Fleecy's version (as you put it) is probably the most correct.
Yes, and I agree with Fleecy that they are both acting unprofessionally
and bitchy. But looking at the facts:
* H&P were unprofessional and bitchy long before Ralph Schmidt started
* Ralph Schmidt was "on a promise" of having MorphOS be the basis of
AmigaOS 4.x
* Fleecy was "persuaded" by H&P not to use MorphOS over their own
not-yet-written solution. Fleecy KNOWS MorphOS is the better solution
both technically and in time-to-market.
>> It does. Amiga don't know what they're doing.
>
> Calm down Matt, it isn't Moobunny you don't HAVE to slag off Amiga
> Inc. at least once a posting.
I have good reason to slag Amiga Inc. off. If Amiga Inc. really knew what
they were doing (and no, a sociologist and a trucker do not make good
technology company CEO's etc. in my opinion) then AmigaOS 4.0 would
have been THE plan all along, and we'd have had it PPC native and NOW
all they'd have had to do is integrate the AmigaDE parts.
> And if Amiga did pick MorphOS? would you still be slagging them off?
Yes, because they'd just mis-handle it. It's still too late a solution as it
is, a year ago AmigaOS 4.0 would have been a good idea. Now? It's
added 18 months to their final product's release date and is a damn
shift in strategy from "content" to "home servers".
> were worried that Ralph habit of being abusive and obnoxious in
> public and treating people like idiots would put future developers
> off?
No, they were worried that Ralph would punch one of the Haage
brothers, or something to that effect. Ralph isn't abusive and
obnoxious in public (or at least, his nemesis Haeusser far outweighs
him in those stakes) - and if future developers really have a problem
with an abusive and obnoxious people writing their kernel, I fail to
see how Haage & Partner would make a better choice - one man,
versus the Haage family, Haeusser, Sam Jordan.. :P
>> MorphOS. Basically H&P are saying "we've got you by the balls, and
>> now WE'RE going to make the PPC OS! We're bestfriends wth Fleeeeky,
>> and yoOOOuur NOOoot... Nyah!"
>
> Childish......
Yes, they are :P
> Is there anyone that Ralph doesn't have a problem with outside the
> MOS group?
Vision Factory Development. DCE. bPlan. Vapor. Oh.. wait.. they're
all IN the MOS group. :P
> And of course it's never HIS fault, it is?
Go read the history books, the instigator of the entire set of hostilities
is Haage & Partner. He may bring a lot of shit down on himself, on an
occasion or two, but he certainly didn't start it.
> If Amiga dropped Hyperion then they'd be stupid. They're far to
> valuable to the amiga community.
No more valuable than they are to the Mac community. What do they
do, perchance? Games.. 3D drivers.. they could be dropped, someone
else could just as well write them.
I don't think anyone has a problem with the Freiden brothers, it's
Steffen and the rest of the "Hyperion&Partner" pals that he has a
spat with.
>> It's no secret Fleecy's university degree is in philosophy and
>> sociology or something just as daft. He's more a people person
>> than a technology person. Hence this Community thing.
>
> What the hell has his Uni degree got to do with anything? You'd be
> happy if Amiga ignored everyone else except those who Ralph is
> freinds with?
I think you'll find Ralph is quite strategically positioned such that
many people Amiga rely on are quite good friends with him, and
that many people would love to work with are good friends with
him enough to hold the same viewpoints on who they'd work with.
> I think you'll find it is because the userbase is so tiny now that
> the only way the system will survive is if it all bands together.
Bullshit. What the hell has his Uni degree got to do with anything?
I don't know, perhaps the fact that his entire strategy seems to be
on the teachings of Communism, and I mean that in a bad way. Get
developers to work for free, hand over their rights to the mother
country, and then go on and work for little reward.
(it's actually quite cheeky that Amiga, after saying "we'll think about
it" or something more serious to the MorphOS team, actually asked
them if they'd port ALL of their work from MorphOS to H&P's little
kernel etc. I'd have love to have seen Ralph's face.. )
You've read his KOSH stuff, right? The Kommunity thing? Come on,
the guy is obsessed with bringing people together into small,
friendly little groups.
Does that get you an OS that the people writing it get on really
really well? Nope. Certainly not as fast as you would if you
ditched one of the companies and replaced "every *shareware*
author we could find" with "commercial entities who hold the
defacto standards".
Really, who would you rather have writing your graphics
drivers.. Vision Factory, or Picasso96?
Considering one set does it for a living, holds the standard
cybergraphics.library interface that everyone has to clone,
and has a production version of that RTG system running
PPC native on a PPC native exec.library
...and the other has just a hobby, and no updates in a year or two..
Technical people go for the best solution with the least cost in
time and effort. Socialists go for the solution that means the
most pats on the back and sexual favours, for the least amount
of contractual payments (shareware authors live on a pittance
anyway, companies tend to charge nice fees. But costs here are
offset in the fact that CGX 5 is done, and MorphOS is damn fine,
and it'll be running on the bPlan Pegasos board (which is Amiga
approved and branded) by default.
>>> How are you so certain about all this then? What (or who) do you
>>> know that we don't.
>>
>> I know, talk to, and work for, people you *certainly* don't :)
>
> Which doen't make you biased in any way?
Not really, I talk to enough people that I get enough sides of the story
to confirm stuff. But in some circumstances I get paid to work with
these people every day, it's not just idle chit-chat or the odd email.
You kinda get a feeling for how eternally pissed off they are at the
situation..
.. and their being pissed off IMO is perfectly justified - being someone
who would choose the technology solution over creating the perfect
Communist Develoloper Group (help everyone else for free, help your
government for free, get no rewards.. does that sound good? :)
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