| From: | No_good |
| Date: | 23 Apr 2001 at 13:54:41 |
| Subject: | Common misconception (was Re: Voyager Image Decoders) |
--- In amigactive@y..., Matt Sealey <matt@k...> wrote:
> And have Ralph slag *me* off? No thanks. It's pretty easy to work
out
> why though, unless you're eternally stupid.
OK here come the insults....*sigh* There really isn't one is there?
come on admit it. Unless you just made a wild guess.
> It's not the point how "famous" it was. The article made a mockery
of the
> work he'd done to bring flash to the platform. They didn't even give
> Voyager a mention.
It was a little article on a little website, nothing to get hot under
the collar about. It really was pathetic.
> I don't think it's anything so complex as that. Just the guy
writing the
> article was a certifiable moron :P
You missed the point of my comment (like you do quite often), and in
coe the insults again. Just becuase he doesn't worship the ground
that the Vapor team walk on doesn't mean that that he is a moron.
> >>> If it's ripped off then why doesn't he take legal action?
> >>
> >> You think they didn't? Just because you didn't hear about it..
> >
> > So did he succeed? I mean if they did rip it off then why didn't
he
> > win?
>
> "he" succeed? phase5 is a "he" now?
Sorry I ment they. Kill me for it, no really.....
> PowerUP belonged to phase5. When phase5 died while it was still in
> pretty much active development, it became the property of the
author.
So why didn't the suit continue? If H&P had done something illegal
then Ralph would have taken it all the way and won. There wouldn't
be and WarpOS now if it that would have happened.
> Yes, and I agree with Fleecy that they are both acting
unprofessionally
> and bitchy. But looking at the facts:
>
> * H&P were unprofessional and bitchy long before Ralph Schmidt
started
> * Ralph Schmidt was "on a promise" of having MorphOS be the basis of
> AmigaOS 4.x
> * Fleecy was "persuaded" by H&P not to use MorphOS over their own
> not-yet-written solution. Fleecy KNOWS MorphOS is the better
solution
> both technically and in time-to-market.
The old 7 year old "they started it" chesnut..... The fact H&P
stopped bitching, but MOS carried on. Why didn't Ralph prove beyond
reasonable doubt that it was the best solution, why didn't he fight
the decision, rather than going straight to the forums and start
bitching?
> I have good reason to slag Amiga Inc. off. If Amiga Inc. really
knew what
> they were doing (and no, a sociologist and a trucker do not make
good
> technology company CEO's etc. in my opinion) then AmigaOS 4.0 would
> have been THE plan all along, and we'd have had it PPC native and
NOW
> all they'd have had to do is integrate the AmigaDE parts.
They're good enough to do more in a year than any other company since
Commodore. They're good enough to raise the cash to buy the company.
Do you really think that it'd be that simple? They wanted to leave
the legacy of Amiga classic behind, not the technology, but the
bitching.
> Yes, because they'd just mis-handle it. It's still too late a
solution as it
> is, a year ago AmigaOS 4.0 would have been a good idea. Now? It's
> added 18 months to their final product's release date and is a damn
> shift in strategy from "content" to "home servers".
No it hasn't. The DE is a seperate project.
> No, they were worried that Ralph would punch one of the Haage
> brothers, or something to that effect. Ralph isn't abusive and
> obnoxious in public (or at least, his nemesis Haeusser far outweighs
> him in those stakes) - and if future developers really have a
problem
> with an abusive and obnoxious people writing their kernel, I fail to
> see how Haage & Partner would make a better choice - one man,
> versus the Haage family, Haeusser, Sam Jordan.. :P
LOL!! abusive or obnoxious in public? I think you should remember
the postings on moobunny I refered to earlier. If you want people to
follow your solution, you don't treat them like idiots. I agree that
getting rid of the fluff is a good thing, but being to the point and
being abusive are two seperate things.
> > Childish......
>
> Yes, they are :P
I was refering to you. Unless of course you knew that and you
resorted to another of your patented 7 year old insults.
> > Is there anyone that Ralph doesn't have a problem with outside
the
> > MOS group?
>
> Vision Factory Development. DCE. bPlan. Vapor. Oh.. wait.. they're
> all IN the MOS group. :P
Doesn't inspire confidence does it. I can imagine people approaching
him with ideas, but instead of saying I don't think that'll work in
MOS, or that's not really a good idea, he'd go:-
*sigh* you're a stupid moron.
> > And of course it's never HIS fault, it is?
>
> Go read the history books, the instigator of the entire set of
hostilities
> is Haage & Partner. He may bring a lot of shit down on himself, on
an
> occasion or two, but he certainly didn't start it.
"But he didn't start it....." Broken record. It's more than just the
odd occasion. I had a great interest in the MOS project until I had
the misfortune of reading some of Ralph's postings on ANN. I've
tried to have sensible disscussions with him a couple of times, but
each time he turns arrogant.
> > If Amiga dropped Hyperion then they'd be stupid. They're far to
> > valuable to the amiga community.
>
> No more valuable than they are to the Mac community. What do they
> do, perchance? Games.. 3D drivers.. they could be dropped, someone
> else could just as well write them.
Are you refering to MOS's well, know 3D API? Oh no, they don't have
one, but anyone can do it! And at least they try to get games on
here. Compared to the rest of the shite the the amiga games industry
(if you can call it that) put out (not payback of course).
> I don't think anyone has a problem with the Freiden brothers, it's
> Steffen and the rest of the "Hyperion&Partner" pals that he has a
> spat with.
That's OK then.
> I think you'll find Ralph is quite strategically positioned such
that
> many people Amiga rely on are quite good friends with him, and
> that many people would love to work with are good friends with
> him enough to hold the same viewpoints on who they'd work with.
So it's a case of you can work with me if you agree with everything I
say. There is a small group of people that he may have problems
with, and that's his potential userbase (i.e. the people that it
generally treats like simpletons)
[Snip communism B$]
Matt, you seriously need help....
> Really, who would you rather have writing your graphics
> drivers.. Vision Factory, or Picasso96?
> Considering one set does it for a living, holds the standard
> cybergraphics.library interface that everyone has to clone,
> and has a production version of that RTG system running
> PPC native on a PPC native exec.library
>
> ...and the other has just a hobby, and no updates in a year or two..
The same proffesional vs. hobbiest thing can be applied to H&P versus
MOS.
> Technical people go for the best solution with the least cost in
> time and effort. Socialists go for the solution that means the
> most pats on the back and sexual favours, for the least amount
> of contractual payments (shareware authors live on a pittance
> anyway, companies tend to charge nice fees. But costs here are
> offset in the fact that CGX 5 is done, and MorphOS is damn fine,
> and it'll be running on the bPlan Pegasos board (which is Amiga
> approved and branded) by default.
Not is as far as bplan are concerned at least publically. last time I
looked Amiga had been completly removed off of the website.
> >> I know, talk to, and work for, people you *certainly* don't :)
One side of a story.
> > Which doen't make you biased in any way?
>
> Not really, I talk to enough people that I get enough sides of the
story
> to confirm stuff. But in some circumstances I get paid to work with
> these people every day, it's not just idle chit-chat or the odd
email.
> You kinda get a feeling for how eternally pissed off they are at the
> situation..
But who from the other side do you ever talk to? How about how
ordinary users are pissed off at the situation? Oh but users are
scum aren't they?
> .. and their being pissed off IMO is perfectly justified - being
someone
> who would choose the technology solution over creating the perfect
> Communist Develoloper Group (help everyone else for free, help your
> government for free, get no rewards.. does that sound good? :)
THERE ISN'T ENOUGH USERS LEFT! CAN'T YOU COUNT OR SOMETHING? A
unified solution would make sense. if Amiga had of swung the other
way, then undoubtably they would have suffered more from developers
leaving.
I like morphOS, I'd rather had that instead of something H&P would
come up with, however, I can see why Amiga would be worried about
dropping everyone else just for one person. The whole MOS group need
to learn how to conduct themselves in public, it's a fact. They put
potential users off by behaving like children.
I am a potential user and (once I get more time) potential developer,
but I don't want to have to go through bitching everytime one of the
core members of the team doesn't get thier own way, dosen't like
something, or is asked a question.
The more and more crap I hear comming from that one perticular camp
the more and more I sympathise with Amiga.
Andy
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