Re: Free will and its contradiction in religion.

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: : : : There may indeed be some people who are influenced by demons. I prefer to think that those who commit the most despicable acts of torture and mutilation, especially on children, are acting outside of the boundaries of human will. : : : : The concept of posscession by demons was an explaination for mental illness. : : : : I think I understand your point. Many say how can we have free will if the exercise of such leads to punishment? The criminal uses his free will to commit crimes, but that doesn't mean he won't be jailed if caught, but unlike our criminal justice system, nothing escapes God's justice. If one is able to do good apart from Christ and his conscience is clear, I think he'll fair well. Please allow me to quote Paul to the Romans. : : : : Most would like to believe this, but there still isn't any objective proof of your god's justice. : : : "When Gentiles who have not the divine Law do instinctively what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, since they do not have the Law. : : : : Than the vast majority of Mankind doesn't have any law as defined by your bible. : : : They show that the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts and are operating there, with which their conscience also bears witness; and their moral decisions will accuse or perhaps excuse and defend and excuse them on that day when, as my Gospel proclaims, God by Jesus Christ will judge men in reguard to the things which they conceal.... : : : : Most of the laws in Christianity are adopted from older religions and legal systems. : : : Those who are physically uncircumcised but keep the law will condemn you who, although have the code in writing and have circumcision, break the Law. For he is not a real Jew who is only one outwardly and publicly, nor is circumcision something external and physical. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and true circumcision is of the heart." : : : : I never understood why they needed to be circumcised? An all-knowing god wouldn't need anything like this to identify his/her/its followers, they would already know. : : : I believe the words Christian and faith could be substituted for Jew and circumcision. So you see, God IS just. : : : : From what I've read your god is not always just. In fact there are many examples of his/her/its being very petty with the lives of their so-called faithful. I.E.; Abraham and his son, Adam and Eve, etc... : : Hello Stephen, : It is very difficult to debate with you since you're always changing the subject. If the question is, "Is there a God?", and I answer it, you shift to "Well, your God is unjust", if I try to explain why I think He is just, the topic changes to, "there's no proof that God exists"...If I manage to make a good point, it's, "...That didn't originate with your God", and back and forth we go. I was trying to give an answer to your specific point about free will from my own perspective. Your understanding of the Bible is so misguided, I'm not sure where to begin. As far as Abraham goes, he was greatly blessed by God. Adam and Eve excercised their free will by believing the Devil instead of God, thereby handing the dominion they were given over the earth to Satan. God didn't do it to them, they did it to themselves. God also didn't need circumcision in order to identify his followers. You would know this if you tried to understand my quote from Paul. Circumcision was a sign and token of the covenant God made with Abraham, representing the rejection of fleshly living. It was also pretty good for hygeine too. Babies are routinely circumcised for totally non-religious reasons.

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