Simtel MSDOS 1992 September/Simtel20_Sept92.cdr/msdos/ventura/1msgs.arc/1MSGS.TXT

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Date: 12-09-88(20:04)Number: 1
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP                            Read: (N/A)
Subj: WELCOME!                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

To begin this conference, we've transferred the message files from the
old Wildcat! system to the conference area. Hopefully, we managed to
successfully recreate the old message base and threads. Many of the
messages previously lost during the Wildcat systems message corruption
episode have been restored. Quite a few messages were so utterly damaged
that it was impossible to place them on the new system.

If you entered a message between December 1 -- December 8 and you cannot
find it on the system, the message was probably one of the fatalities.
If anyone has a scan file or printout of the message base during this
time period, we would sure like to have it.

The moderator for the Ventura Publisher Conference is Gene Rodrigues.
New users should read the bulletins and fill in the script questionnaire
from the Main menu. Those users who are not familiar with the operation
of PCBoard will find on-line tutorials available in the NEWUSER
conference. A User's Guide and Reference Guide formatted with Ventura
Publisher are available. To get both guides, download the files
PACKET1.ARC and PACKET2.ARC from the Main Board menu or the NEWUSER
Conference area.

    NOTE: PCBoard is a multi-node system. You can communicate with users
          logged on other nodes using the CHAT option from any of the
          Conference menus. A disadvantage of this system is that the
          Sysop may not be available for paging. Always check Chat mode
          to determine if the Sysop is online using the Maintenance
          terminal. You can Chat with the Sysop if the terminal is
          operational.

If you're interested in joining other conferences on the FORUM, be sure
to fill in the Script Questionnaire for each conference. The Conference
Moderator needs this information to update you user's file accordingly.

...Gene


Date: 12-10-88 (14:27)               Number: 2
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES (Has Replies)
Subj: OKIDATA LASER PRINTER          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

We are attempting to find users who own Okidata Laser Printers. Several
users are having problems printing in high resolution mode. Please leave
a message for Gene Rodrigues if you use the Oki along with a voice
telephone number.


Date: 12-10-88 (14:31)               Number: 3
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TODD LEONARD                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: U/D                            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello. I've tried downloading a file from the file menu using Procomm.
Although I tried nearly every combination of protocols, I had no luck.
The most promising seems to be XMODEM, or XMODEM CRC, but I get the
response "Timeout on your end." every time.

Anyone else have similar difficulties? Any solutions?


Date: 12-10-88 (14:35)               Number: 4
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: VERSION 2.0                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Be sure to select the NEWSLETTER option form the MAIN Menu to read Xerox
Corporation's official press release revealing the existance of Version
2 and two additional products -- the Professional Extension and the Net
Server.

Users can also download the file VP20.ARC for a full listing of all
features in the new release and companion products. The publication is
formatted with Ventura Publisher.


Date: 12-10-88 (14:37)               Number: 5
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BENET WILSON                     Read: YES (Has Replies)
Subj: VPUG USER GROUP                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm interested in forming a user group in Washington, D.C. Anyone
interested can call Benet Wilson at 202-785-3345.


Date: 12-10-88 (14:43)               Number: 6
  To: BENET WILSON                   Refer#: 6
From: CARROLL BAKER                    Read: YES
Subj: VPUG USER GROUP                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Benet, glad to hear you're interested in getting a user group going in
the Washington, D.C. area. Please, let's try to connect by telephone
soon to discuss how we can be of assistance to you. I can be reached at
[phone]. At present, I do not have a modem. I've jotted down your
number too, and will try to call if I can put my red pen down long
enough...we're trying to get a couple of issue of the magazine put to
bed. Looking forward to talking to you. By the way, we also encourage
"audience participation"...either letters, Q & A, or short tips and
tricks and articles or ideas for same. How about a little help from the
field?

...Carroll Baker


Date: 12-10-88 (14:47)               Number: 7
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BENET WILSON                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: NATL. ASSN. OF DESKTOP PU      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am interested in hearing from anyone who is a member of the National
Association of Desktop Publishers.  I am considering joining it and I'd
like some information from a current member. What services are offered,
how often are meetings held, has the mebership been beneficial to you?
My name is Benet Wilson and I can be reached at 202-785-3345.


Date: 12-10-88 (14:51)               Number: 8
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MIDGE STOCKER                    Read: YES (Has Replies)
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am working with a LaserMaster CAPCard and am interested in trading
tips/info with other CAPCard users. I run an HP Series II with the
CAPCard and also share chapter files with a system that runs a
Varityper. It's been fun and trying. I love the product -- and
unsolicited testimonial!


Date: 12-10-88 (14:54)               Number: 9
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RITCHIE KOLNOS                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: ARC FILES                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

This may sound like a stupid question, but I am new to the BBS scene.
When I download an ARC file, do I also need some utility to "unpack" it?
Thanks for your help.


Date: 12-10-88 (14:59)               Number: 10
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT WARNKE                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: ENTERPRISE                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been a member of the VPUG since the third issue of the
newsletter. I must say I am very happy to see the bulletin board in full
swing. One suggestion I have for the magazine and the bulletin board is
the encouragement of articles and information on marketing oneself.
Information and items related to home industries doing such with VP.
Thanks and keep up the good work!
RGW

cc: Gene Rodrigues


Date: 12-10-88 (15:01)               Number: 11
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: BENET WILSON                     Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...this is Benet. How do I save things that I see on the screen onto
my floppy disk? Can I also get my printer to print the material as it
crosses the screen. Thanks for the help.


Date: 12-10-88 (15:05)               Number: 12
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RITCHIE KOLNOS                   Read: YES (Has Replies)
Subj: VENTURA W/ LINOTRONIC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Our company will soon be purchasing a Linotronic 200 to produce our
technical documentation. We will be using the printer with Ventura. The
salesman told us their would be no problems when downloading files, but
I was wondering if anyone has had experience using a Linotronic with
Ventura. Any comments would be appreciated.


Date: 12-10-88 (15:10)               Number: 13
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHANIE KELLY                  Read: (N/A)
Subj: IMPORTING LOTUS .PRN FILE      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am new to this board so I am not sure if this is the right place to
post this message, but here goes. I am interested in bringing a
lotus.prn file into Ventura and maintaining the columns. I tried
bringing it in as a Wordstar or XyWrite file but I still have lots of
nobreak spaces. I have heard of VP/TABS but has anybody used it? Does it
work? Finally, are there any other things I can try before buying the
package. Any suggestions are appreciated! Thanks!


Date: 12-10-88 (15:13)               Number: 14
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BENET WILSON                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...this is Benet again. I got your message on printing and that
seems to work pretty well. Now I need to know how to put things I pick
up on the system onto my floppy disk. This computer stuff is new to me,
so please give me "idiot instructions". Thanks for all your help so far,
it is greatly appreciated. I also think that this bulletin board is
great!


Date: 12-10-88 (15:49)               Number: 15
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BOB LEVINE                       Read: YES (Has Replies)
Subj: TO: CARROLL BAKER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

From: Bob Levine, Princeton Technical Publishers

You may remeber that we met at your offices in July. I promised you a
sort piece on how to do equations in Ventura which I will send you real
soon.

In the meantime, I thought you might like to read a short piece I have
sent to the NYPC Newsletter (membership about 3000). I write a column
for them.

If you or Bob have any comments on this I'd love to hear them.

Regards
Bob Levine

                                 COPY

To: Merv Adrian, Editor NYPC Newsletter
From: Bob Levine
Date: September 16, 1988
Subject: Probelms with Ventura Publisher 1.1, Patch 2.

This is a short article I promised on problems with Ventura Publisher.

Copy follows:
=====================================================================
Problems with Ventura 1.1, Patch 2
by Bob Levine

Users of Ventura Publisher version 1.1 who have received or are
comtemplating asking for the new patch #2 should be aware of some of the
consequences of using the new patch.

Patch #2 contains the following new features:

     The program can now be run from Microsoft Windows
     Executive.

     MicroSoft Windows clipboard Metafiles saved on disk
     can be loaded into the program.

     HP LaserJet Fonts can be stored in any subdirectory. Also
     the LaserJet can print closer to the edge of the paper.

     Additional characters not included in the 128 ASCII set
     can now be converted.

     Graphics conversions has been enhanced.  There are still
     some problems with Lotus Freelance, Macintosh PICT files
     and HPGL files. More important, there are serious problems
     with frames containing IMG files.

In the new upgrade, support for some of the formats in WordPerfect 4.2
has been dropped. According to the instructions which came with the
patch, one of the "improvements" was that the program no longer
recognized subscript and superscript commands from WordPerfect. If
you use these commands and expect Ventura to recognize them, it no
longer will do so. You now have to use the Ventura <V> and <^> commands.
You should be able to do a search and relace in WordPerfect to
accomplish this. This is documented in WordPerfect.

If you have special fonts loaded, the reinstallation will wipe them out
and they will have to be reloaded. Also you will have to reset all your
defaults set in the OPTIONS pull-down menu, especially the printer
setting defaults such as your font suffix (EGA or PSF), printer,
output.wid and all of the other defults you had to setup.  (You do
remeber what they all were, don't you?)  So be sure to view all the
options menus before you apply the patch, and make notes of the values
to use.

However the problems caused by the upgrades to the graphics conversion I
found more serious.

In all the frames in which you have loaded *.PCX images and which
Ventura converted to *.IMG images, the *.IMG files now will not load.
In the new patch, Ventura "improved" the conversion routine to make them
print with higher resolution.  They did not provide a conversion utility
nor did they document this drastic change.  As a consequence, you will
have to reload all of the .PCX images, which Ventura will then convert
to the new style *.IMG files.  Unforntunately there is no way to
distinquish between the new *.IMG files and the older files except by
attempting to load them into a frame in the Patch # 2 program. When you
try to load an old *.IMG you will either be booted back to DOS or your
computer will hangup.

These newly converted *.IMG files are then loaded into your frames using
the GEM/HALOI selection rather than the PAINTBRUSH selection as before.
If you have documents having a lot of converted *.PCX files, you may
want to retain the #1 patched version. At least you should save all the
chapter files containing the old *.IMG files and carefully mark them so
that you will not try to load them with the Patch #2 program.

The procedures I used was to be sure all of the underlying *.PCX files
were intect in their own sub-directory. I then went into each chapter
file containing *.IMG files and erased them.  This ensured that the
patched program did not confuse the new *.IMG files created with Patch
#2 with the old ones. I copied all of the original *.PCX files into
their respective chapters.  I then went into Ventura, reset all of the
(CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE)


Date: 12-10-88 (15:57)               Number: 16
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BOB LEVINE                       Read: YES (Has Replies)
Subj: BOB LEVINE, CONTINUED          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I then went into Ventura, reset all of the defaults in the Options menu,
and went into the File Menu, and selected LOAD TEXT/PICTURE, PAINTBRUSH,
SEVERAL. I then loaded all of the *.PCX files which Ventura now
converted  into new style IMG files.

You must load all of the *.IMG files into your chapter and must do so
using the GEM/HALO selection, not PAINTBRUSH as you did previously.
Check the file window to be sure all of the *.IMG files are now in the
chapter and then proceed to place them in their appropriate frames.

Since there is virtually nothing in the reviced manual about this, you
will have to call Ventura Publisher telephone support to clear it up
after the newly patched Ventura bombs. (You have registered for
telephone support and paid Xerox $150.00, haven't you?)

Once you have replaced all of your *.PCX files, be sure you check their
location to be sure that they are all in their right place. I had to
reload almost one hundred *.PCX files in a techincal book -- GRRR!

************************************************************************


Date: 12-10-88 (16:00)               Number: 17
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: BOB LEVINE                       Read: YES
Subj: COMMENTS TO SYSOP              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am a member of VPUG registered a s Robert J. Levine.
Princeton Technical Publishers
Suite 298, 301 N. Harrison St.
Princeton, New Jersey 08540

Tel [phone]
Please upgrade my BBS mebership


Date: 12-11-88 (01:29)               Number: 18
  To: BOB LEVINE                     Refer#: 17
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: BOB LEVINE, CONTINUED          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I experienced a similar problem with patch 2. The most difficult aspect
of the IMG file conversion change may be the work habits of many users.
I have been creatin image files and scanning photographs for
documentation in PCX format, then loading these into Ventura Publisher.
If I see no need for the original PCX files, I load the IMG files
instead and remove the PCX files from my disk.

This saves considerable disk space since Ventura Publisher versions
prior ro 2.0 always made IMG files for display on the screen. By loading
these files in directly (IMG files) and deleting the PCX files, you can
regain 50% of the disk space Ventura requires for every image in the
publication.

Hopefully, everyone has been saving their PCX files after loading the
IMG files. If you use the PCX files as an intermediate format and delete
them after creating the IMG files, you may have to redo your work all
over again. I spent an entire weekend not too long ago reloading PCX
files for a publication with 500 images.

The omission of documentation describing the problem could lead many
users down the same path.

However, I don't believe that Ventura is at fault for the problem. Since
Ventura Publisher is GEM based, some blame must also be pointed to
Digital Research, Inc. It is their environment (GEM) which determines
the format of the IMG files. As newer versions of GEM are released,
Ventura must update to keep pace. It is highly likely that they were
unaware of the change to the IMG file format.

On your note about WordPerfect 4.2 support, several users have called in
and complained about it too. Version 2.0 may return the support for
subscripts and superscripts, but I'm not sure since the magazine has not
had the time to check this feature yet. Support is provided for Version
5.0 of WordPerfect though. It is interesting to note that 99% of the
problems you mention in your message are documented in my copy of Patch
2. Could multiple versions exist? Xerox says No! However, I suspect a
rotten apple in the patch of disks created or some duplication problem.
I have here two sets of disks with similar labels, both indicating they
are patch 2 and one has even more serious problems.

Several beta test copies of Patch 2 were released to test sites before
the general user community received the official release. Some of these
betas had pretty nasty side efects and bugs. Odds are that if you do not
have the documentation, including all the problems you have mentioned
(IMG file conversion is an exception), your copy may be one of these
mavericks. If so, please give VPUG a voice call.

...Gene


Date: 12-11-88 (01:34)               Number: 19
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: SHARING                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Mr. Levine's message pointed out problems with patch 2. Lets use this
message as a general discussion topic for September. Sharing is letting
other users in on your problems and experiences. Please report all
problems you are experiencing with Patch 2.

We'll extract all the messages from the Forum and use them to create a
Q&A section for the magazine. Report all your experiences, even the ones
you assume to be hardware related.


Date: 12-11-88 (01:40)               Number: 20
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: RON LAFON                        Read: YES
Subj: NPE                            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene. Sorry I was unable to track you down at Seybold. Thanks very
much for your kind comments on my WP50 editorial for the NPE Monthly. I
look forward to meeting you one of these days and to a productive
association with you, your organization and this great BBS. Take Care...

...Ron LaFon
   Desktop Publishing Conference Moderator
   The Other Woman BBS
   Member of the National Publisher's Exchange
   Data: 707-938-3508
   Rob Thomas, Sysop


Date: 12-11-88 (01:44)               Number: 21
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GARY WILKERSON                   Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am the Sysop for the Engineers' and Architects Information Network in
Atlanta, GA at 404-368-5058.  We don't have a DTP conference per se but
we do have quite a collection of DTP and graphic files oriented to the
technical user. Give us a call.


Date: 12-11-88 (01:48)               Number: 22
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: RICHARD PRESTWOOD                Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...neither PACKET1.ARC or PACKET2.ARC are in the files area. I left
my name and adress at the VPUG meeting at the Convention Center las
Wednesday for additional information about VPUG to be sent to me: I'm
looking forward to receiving it. I'll await its arrival to subscribe.

...Richard


Date: 12-11-88 (01:52)               Number: 23
  To: RICHARD PRESTWOOD              Refer#: 23
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: PACKET1 & PACKET2              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The two files, PACKET1.ARC and PACKET2.ARC, have been removed from the
system. The original files were written for the RBBS system the Forum
used originally. A new set of files must be written for the Wildcat
system. Also, considerable software changes are on the way. It is highly
likely that the Wildcat BBS will only be a temporary solution to our
needs. Yes, we are are shopping for a more powerful bulletin board
system.


Date: 12-11-88 (02:05)               Number: 24
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

That is interesting about you joining up with Ed Aborn. Used to visit
his board when it was the EPE. His newsletters in Ventura format were
great! Don't PCP it yet, but am researching. Could no longer afford long
distance calls.

The best DTP board has been Cooperworks in Madison, WI, but that is not
Pursuitable.

I am curious about the Houston board. There is an unofficial VPUGH board
in Houston run by Carroll Hanks (713-448-1406) and it really is good.
Carroll is a Xerox trainer. He has just switched to a DTP board, so it
may take a little while. Will see him tonight at the VPUGH meeting. It
is really just getting organized.

Went to the Xerox Dealers only PREVIEW of VENTURA 2 last night (yeah, I
managed to wrangle an invitation, but I'm not a dealer).

Xerox is going to have a coupon deal to allow customers to buy Ventura
for $395 and the Professional Extension for $395. I think that
registered users will ge thte Professional Extension for $200 with a
coupon when they upgrade.

The discount will come from a lower distributor price and some dealers
were a bit resistant as they feared a little distributor "gouging". Be
interesting to see if it works. Idea is to move a lot of copies of
Version 2.0 quickly. Hopefully, this will increase "word of mouth" on
Ventura 2 and hit olde PageMaker a good one.

Chris


Date: 12-11-88 (02:08)               Number: 25
  To: MIDGE STOCKER                  Refer#: 9
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is there anywhere (mail order) that has a decent price on the
LaserMaster CapCard.  I talked to them yesterday and they are trying to
remove it from al but "authorized distributors" who must charge list
price. I would like to try it but cannot afford list price.

Chris


Date: 12-11-88 (02:14)               Number: 26
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: BILL AUCLAIR                     Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
     If you ever decide to join FidoNet, let me know. I'd be interested
in carrying an echomail conference specific to Ventura Publisher, and
you might as well be the source for that feed.  If you do join the
Matrix, crash some mail to me at Matrix # 1:141/545. I think a
nationwide user conference dealing with VP would be very interesting,
and extremely helpful not only to business but to home users as well.
(I myself fit into both of these categories).  If you want more
infromation avout the Matrix and obtaining a node number to go national,
let me know.

--Bill Auclair


Date: 12-11-88 (02:22)               Number: 27
  To: BILL AUCLAIR                   Refer#: 27
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bill...it's good to here from you.  I've spotted your name on the echos
quite a bit. I just downloaded all the software required to configure
the Forum for Netmail and Echomail. It will officially go on line when
our new software is installed. The system is currently operating in the
background and undergoing testing. The Node number is 1:143/25.

I've been having a difficult time getting specific information about
starting a Fido echo and would welcome any help or text files you have
which might help me out. My requests for information to the local Echo
host has fallen on deaf ears. I send messages and know that he gets them
, but he never replies.

I've been polling other Sysops to see if there is an interest in
starting a Ventura Publisher specific conference. I've received nothing
but positive answers so far. Ventura is complex enough to deserve it. I
would like to know your views on this concept.

...Gene


Date: 12-11-88 (02:26)               Number: 28
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: NO
Subj: HELLO!                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Just thought I'd drop a line to let you know that you have a brand new
nouveau-BBSer -- me! I haven't a clue about what I'm doing or should be
doing -- any hints you'd like to drop?

I will probably be logging on a couple times a week. Are there any
on-line conferences or anything like that which I should know about?

Regards,
jg


Date: 12-11-88 (02:28)               Number: 29
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GERALD WILEY                     Read: NO
Subj: UPGRADE                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
Thanks.  This looks like a very professional board.  I just recently
purchased VP 1.1 for my business and am trying to get used to it.  I try
to look for hints and tips on boards like yours.

Thanks again...Gerry


Date: 12-11-88 (02:56)               Number: 30
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP                            Read: (N/A)
Subj: ACCESS RIGHTS                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Several users have asked for an explanation of the "Security" field
listed in their user record. You can view your user record using the
"V", View Settings option on the Main menu and write changes to the file
using the "W" command. The security codes have the following meaning:

         Code      Meaning:

          5        User who refused to fill in the New User
                   Questionnaire when first logging into the Forum. This
                   user can log on to the system and access the Main
                   menu. The only available command is Goodbye. A user
                   who feels they have received this security clearance
                   in error must call 408-227-5030 and leave a voice
                   message for the sysop.

          10       New users receive a security classification of 10
                   when they first log into the system. After thier
                   New User Questionnaire information is validated,
                   their access rights are increased to 20, 30 or 40
                   depending on their subscription.

          20       Public users who do not subscribe to Ventura
                   Professional! magazine, the official publication
                   of VPUG are assigned this classification level.
                   Access to certain parts of the Forum are limited or
                   prohibited.

          30       Subscribers to Ventura Professional! magazine are
                   members of the National VPUG Group. The subscription
                   to the magazine has nothing to do with local fees
                   imposed by Chapters in the VPUG organization.
                   Subscribers have 120 minutes of access time per day
                   and the right to call additional telephone lines
                   reserved for VPUG members.

          40       Users granted this security have subscribed to the
                   Extended Support Service. The $50.00 yearly fee for
                   extended support entitles the user to access private
                   lines which automatically dial down to all other
                   telephone lines on the system. They also have access
                   to the magazines private clipart library of
                   illustrations used in the magazine and other file
                   areas. All funds acquired by the sale of Extended
                   Support Service are used to pay costs for running
                   the Forum. The Forum receives no other income at this
                   time.

          50       Visiting Sysop. Access rights to the untested files
                   in the upload areas.

          60       Conference Moderators. Moderators are essentially
                   granted partial Sysop rights to maintain the
                   conference area under their control.

Additional security numbers may be assigned which fall in between the
values shown above. These are granted temporarily by the Sysop or maybe
assigned to a special group of users who are performing some special
work for VPUG or the Forum. Call 408-227-5030 and leave a voice message
for the Sysop if you require additional information about the security
clearances.

Users who are calling the Forum using the subscription for their company
must send a letter on company stationary with the names of those
individuals authorized to use the Forum. Note that only one user record
is allowed per subscription.


Date: 12-11-88 (03:04)               Number: 31
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GARY WILKERSON                   Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

We are a PCBoard system as is the new board I'm putting up.  Rock n'
Roll Atlanta seems only interested in handling messages and does not
support files or other support activities.  I'm quite familiar with
Atlanta VPUG and intend to spend quite a bit of time with them in the
next few months. Carol Lovelady is the new president and has gotten
things rolling quite nicely.  My VPUG subscription is in the Company
name, Abrams and Associates and yes, I would like visiting sysop
privileges.  Look forward to working with you. Have got the new board in
test mode and should be ready to go in several weeks.


Date: 12-11-88 (03:13)               Number: 32
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: FREEMAN BRADFORD                 Read: NO
Subj: UPLOAD OF ARC0901.ARC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...you might want to read over the stuff in ARC0901.ARC. One of the
users on my board uploaded it and it gives some of the details on the
spate between Phil Katz of PKARC fame and SEA.

Also, as a matter of interest, I got my first virus via a copy of PKARC
which one of my former users uploaded...it was a nasty one and wiped out
my AT clone's setup in MOS memory.  I finally had to copy all of my
files off the disk, prep it and reload. A real time eating operation.

It look like this version of the board is a real winner! My interest in
Ventura went up several notches (orders of magnitude) as I now have a
client who insists I use Ventura to produce some brochures for him.  I
appreciate both the meetings and this board as a forum and anticipate
using both to get over the white-knuckle stage of making the transition
from my old tried-and-true Spellbinder DTP with its command driven
structure to running through menus with a rodent.

Progress...

Brad


Date: 12-11-88 (03:52)               Number: 33
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...Thanks for the very informative answer on the LaserMaster
CapCard.  You mentioned Daniel Will-Harris. Does he write for Personal
Publishing magazine. If so, he and that magazine are on my hit list.
They had a blurb on a software PostScript Emulator called GoScript and
promised a full review in October issue and it wasn't there nor was
there an apology as far as I can tell. I'm going to call them next week
when I get a chance.  I have the program, by the way, and it works.  Of
course, speed is a problem, but I have been doing rotated text,
unlimited size text and printing EPS art files up a storm on my HP
LaserJet.  I don't do publishing for a living, so I can't afford to
wait.  Am keenly interested in another PostScript emulator called Fredom
of Press.  It has all 35 typefaces that the LaserWriter Plus has.
GoScript only has 13 typefaces.

This one retails for $495.00 and even their price to dealers is lousy
unless they buy a ton of copies.  GoScript was only $195.00.

I'm going to explore these routes before I go jumping into the CAPCard,
but I got their brochure and it is very impressive.

These software PostScript emulators are a new idea and I was pretty
impressed that they work.  I printed the 20 page Xerox press release on
Ventura 2.0 with it. It tokk almost 3 hours though, but my parallel port
is giving me trouble. Wasn't all the fault of GoScript.

Also have seen the final version of 2.o this week -- once at a dealer
introduction show and once at a dealer seminar by a Xerox rep.

That $500 OFF Xerox Coupon promotion wasn't too well thought through,
I'm afraid. The dealers are supposed to sell it for $395, but they don't
know exactly what their distributor is going to charge until they give
them the coupon (at least on first redemptions). Some dealers are afraid
that the distributors are going to "gig" them and their profit margin
will be less than Xerox is "estimating" it should be based on thier
price to the distributors.

I don't know if you concern yourself with the business side, but I like
to keep up although I am not a dealer.

I was hoping this promotion would sell a lot of copies and hit Pagemaker
a rela lick.  Am sooooo tired of hearing about PageMaker. I don't really
know anyone who uses it.

Enuf chatter...Chris


Date: 12-11-88 (03:55)               Number: 34
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: FREEMAN BRADFORD                 Read: NO
Subj: UPLOAD OF ARC0901.ARC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks...I plan on being there. It will prbably take a little time
before I know enough about Ventura to know the problems I really have.

If you would like, you might want to leave a message on the Desktop
Publisher regarding the Forum.  I have been referring people to your
board when they ask Ventura-specific questions.

Brad.


Date: 12-11-88 (04:31)               Number: 35
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE RINDSBERG                  Read: NO
Subj: UPLOAD OF ENCAPS.ARC           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have uploaded ENCAPS.ARC, which contains the ENCAPS.COM (the
executable file), ENCAPS.PAS (Turbo Pascal source code to same), and
ENCAPS.DOC (documentation file). As noted in the DOC file, this is a
program I've developed strictly to meet my own limited
needs...converting existing Zenographics Mirage images to EPS for use in
Ventura.  You have my permission and blessing to distribute the program
in any way you see fit, so long as it is not done commercially. (i.e. no
charge for the program). The files included in the archive must be
distributed with the package. I apply the following conditions (which
are nothing out of the ordinary in any case) for several reasons:

1)   This is by no means commercial grade software. It does what it
     purports to do, but it lacks any attempt at elegance, and there
     are few (if any) safegaurds you would expect of a program you
     paid for. This is explained in greater length in the DOC file.
     Hence, I insist that the DOC file remains a part of the package.

2)   Any "real" programmer can probably take what I've done and improve
     it many times over, make it more generally useful, etc. I hope
     this will happen, so I must insist that the source code remian
     in the package.

3)   Finally, you will note that my address/phone number and other vital
     statistics do not appear in the program. Frankly, getting credit
     for what's been done so far doesn't worry me. The rpgram does what
     I want it to do, so I'm happy. If it helps someone else, I'm
     happier, but I'll look for fame and fortune elsewhere. At the same
     time and for the same reasons, I have no intent of supporting the
     program, nor will I resond to requests at home or at work for
     assistance in doing the same. (grouchy SOB isn't he?) Anyone who
     wants to make changes to the program is welcome to (and in fact
     encouraged to do so), but they should expect to do their home work
     ...learning programming, read the Adobe documents, write Adobe for
     the somewhat cryptic flyer on EPSF, and look at lots of PS output
     from Corel, Ventura and other programs that support EPS. It's heavy
     slogging, but that's life.

(C'mon, Steve, lighten UP!!)

OK. I'm really not the meanie that this makes me sound. I just want to
make my intentions clear. The program isn't hard to use, you just have
to be a bit careful. And it DOES offer a lot of benefits to antone using
Mirage to create images for VP. If you need an explanation of why you
would want to do this, leave a message here on the BBS. I'm not an
expert at this, but have come to some conclusions that might be of
interest to some of your readers. Signing off now, but will be back
soon. This looks like a very professionally implemented BBS. Nice work!

...Steve


Date: 12-11-88 (05:07)               Number: 36
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: YES
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

You would have to mention WP5. I am a WordPerfect hater, Never will
understand why folks like it.  One reason is I use an original version
AT keyboard on my clone as I prefer my function keys on the left and not
on the top of the keyboard.  With WP, my fingers stayed scrunched up
between ALT, CTRL, SHIFT and the function keys. I started out with
WordStar, of course, but generally use PFS Professional Write 2 for
small stuff. Tried them all but XYWrite and PFS is adequate for text
input and handles downloading laser fonts (o.k. I had to get hold of
real HP soft fonts eventually) real well.

Chris


Date: 12-11-88 (05:13)               Number: 37
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: VP ECHO                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks...the VP Echo sounds interesting. I actually know alittle about
that because because modeming around Houston is enough for me.  This
board, CooperWorks, and Z-Softs ZBBS are about it for me.

By the way, is there a new user file I should download? Been trying to
find tons of messages to read besides mine and yours and so far I've
failed utterly. Tried opening other folders, but this did not seem to
make a difference.

Carrol Hanks has a problem on Ventura Version 2.0 (remember he is a
Xerox training rep. so his copy is legit although I believe a beta copy)
and sure would like to track down John Meyer from Ventura Software. I'm
sure you can symphatize with a guy having problems with version 2, but
Carroll works damm hard as far as I can tell so I don't begrudge him
that.

Chris


Date: 12-11-88 (05:23)               Number: 38
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: LENNY BAILES                     Read: YES
Subj: MAC2IMG GMI 421 ETC.           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

For the sake of accuracy, you might want to let people know that some of
the conversion utilities in the Graphics section are inaccurately
described. IMG2MAC, CV2IMG, MIRROR, etc. were originally part of a
collection of programs called PICUTIL. They refer not to the Digital
Research .IMG file format, but to one created by a company called EFS.
They will not convert PCPAINT or MacPaint to Digital Research bitmap
files. The program called MAC2GEM will convert PacPaint files into
bitmapped .IMG (GEM Paint) files. It will not convert anything to the
Digital Research vector format (.GEM).

I'm in the process of tackling the same problem as the author of
MACF-VP.TXT. I've been unable to create screen fonts as of yet, using
this method, but have derived another method to convert Mac Screen fonts
into Digital Research 75 dpi fonts. I'll detail this when I get the
process perfected. (It helps to have the Armstrand Font Editor to be
able to clean up the font files after the conversion.)

Where did the Adobe screen fonts here come from originally. Dod Adobe
create them is the Digital Research format, or were they somehow
generated by the ABFTOFNT utility from PostScript fonts?

More later...


Date: 12-11-88 (05:30)               Number: 39
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: 37
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: WORDPROCESSING                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I started with WordStar and stuck to it through version 3.3 and then
switched to MicroSoft Word. I've tried WP 4.2 and just did not like it.
I use Word or WordStar depending on customer requirements and find
myself editing with Ventura about 90% of the time. With the exception of
Search & Replace, may spelling checker and macros, I find little use for
a word rpcessor any more. I was really hoping that Ventura would come
through in Version 2 with an improved editor. Commands for moving the
cursor between words, sentences, and paragraphs would be great.

Sooner or later, a third party vendor will come through with a editor
that conceals Ventura's tags and automatically converts the attribute
codes for editing sessions. Oh well, maybe improved editing commands
will be added to Version 3.0.

...Gene


Date: 12-11-88 (05:46)               Number: 40
  To: LENNY BAILES                   Refer#: 39
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: MAC2IMG GMI 421 ETC.           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Lenny...you're right. I found the PICUTIL.ARC file on the system and
compared the contents to the files in the graphics area. I've removed
all of the individual utilities from the system and changed the
description for the MAC2GEM.ARC file to note its correct operation.

The Adobe screen fonts were provided to Ventura Software by Adobe for
distribution through VPUG. Don Heiskell at Ventura Software did all the
hard work converting the files and placing them in the correct format
for Ventura Publisher. Keep these things in mind when setting up your
system to use the screen fonts:

1.  All Adobe screen fonts must have the .PSF file extension. This file
    extension has a special meaning to Ventura. The filenames must also
    remain the same. A table within Ventura maps the filenames to the
    numbering system used to identify fonts. This concept allows Ventura
    to display the correct screen font for PostScript or other printers.

2.  The fonts must be placed in the \VENTURA directory -- not in the
    \PSFONTS directory.

3.  If you install all of the fonts, increase your BUFFERS= statement in
    your CONFIG.SYS file to 35 or it will take a significant amount of
    time for Ventura to load each time.

    The alternate solution is to use a disk cache program to speed op
    Ventura. The best one I've found so far is the SMARTDRV program that
    comes with MicroSoft Windows. I've also tried Lighting and Flash and
    also seem to work fine.

The screen fonts were delivered to Ventura Software by Adobe Systems for
use by the Ventura Publisher user community. The intent was to give
users of non-PostScript and PostScript printers the ability to proof
chapters on screen prior to output to a Linotronic typesetter. VPUG has
offered the fonts to users in a 7 disk set which includes installation
instructions and other data. They charge $25.00 for the disk set which
cover duplication costs, postage, and handling. VPUG elected to place
the files on the Forum for users who needed to output to a Linotronic.
By placing the files on the Forum, users can download the files without
spending the $25.00 to acquire them.

Note that the screen fonts in the set are only the ones available in the
LaserWriter Plus. Additional screen fonts must be purchased through
Adobe or Merganthyler.


Date: 12-11-88 (05:53)               Number: 41
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID FIBUSH                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: USE VP FONTS WITH MS-WORD      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If you use Microsoft Word as the "word processor of choice" for your VP
inputs, and have an HP LaserJet you may be interested in the program
PRD-MAKER from J.P. Enterpises. The prgram reads soft font files and
writes Word compatible printer drivers for LaserJet printers. This means
 you can use public domain fonts or write drivers for fonts supplied for
the HP LaserJet. If you would like more information on the program, you
can contact J.P. Enterprises at 3877 Hancock Drive, Santa Clara, CA
95051, 408-248-7585. Also look for the file PRDINFO.ARC which may be on
this BBS.


Date: 12-11-88 (06:00)               Number: 42
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BLAKE STEVENS                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: STYLE SHEETS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I downloaded the three style sheet sets beginning with the letters TDOC.
(TDOC693C.ARC, TDOC794C.ARC and TDOC853C.ARC).

If you really want to learn Ventura Publisher, check these out. One
stylesheet, in particular, recently appeared on the pages of Publish!
magazine. They are fully documented and some of the most difficult
examples of Ventura tech doc style sheets I've ever seen. I've had a
terrible time learning to do vertical tabs and the examples in the
tables on these really helped to clear my mind.

Best of all they're for FREE. They were commercial style sheets and the
author put them in the public domain. Read the README files...


Date: 12-11-88 (09:45)               Number: 43
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ALLAN OCHALEK                    Read: NO
Subj: DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS...        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

While attempting to download some files, I found that anything over 130
blocks would fail. I am using the XMODEM transfer protocol. Is there
something I am doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated.


Date: 12-11-88 (09:48)               Number: 44
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MICHAEL STOICO                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: VP & THE IBM 3812              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Does anybody out there know of a driver for printing Ventura Publisher
output on an IBM 3812 pageprinter? I can get it to emulate a proprinter
but the image quality isn't what I know I can get out of the 3812. Any
help would be appreciated.

Take care...Mike


Date: 12-11-88 (10:06)               Number: 45
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 40
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: WORDPROCESSING                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Yep, I certainly agree on your wish for a full-fledged text editor in
Ventura. I started out with First Publisher and used to enter text
directly. Was slower than Windows 1.x but o.k. for cartoon captions,
etc. Spent the other evening evaluating Sprint. It seems to hide many of
the commands I use frequently several menu levels deep (sorta like my
opinion of Word) and yes I could customize, but I don't buy a program to
have to "work" on it like a used car. Also the Postscript output gave me
a big surprise. It might be my Postscript emulator, but I got a little
larger type than I requested, something on the order of 300 points
instead of 30 for headlines. Only printed 2 1/2 letters per page. Glad I
didn't go to the store or something. Would have used a whole tray of
paper. Proves that my emulator will sure print big.

Obviously, Sprint is already gone from my hard disk. Shame about
Borland, though. I have the same opinion of Quattro and although I have
a complimentary copy of SideKick Plus on my shelf for monts, I can't
work up the strength to try it. Am afraid I will be disappointed and
therefore, my opinion of Borland will be pretty low.

I always admired the original SideKick and the company. Real sad that
they have kind of lost their way, but it does happen to companies as
they grow in every industry. Let us say a prayer for Ventura.

Tried WordStar 5 yet? I will be looking at it in the next day or so.
Shame that they didn't support a mouse this time. I had to give up on
WordStar 4 due to the lack of proportional font control for laser
printers. Cot a copy of WordStar 2000 Version 3 gathering dust on the
same shelf! Must be without a doubt, the biggest wordprocessing (sorry
word publishing) program I ever saw. Took up 5-7 megs the short time I
had it on my harddisk. Sure wish I had evaluated that one before I
bought it! Good support for laser fonts, even noname generic fonts
though, but you need a good utility to poke in font header and get some
data as I remeber.

Chris


Date: 12-11-88 (10:20)               Number: 46
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: PAGE NUMBERS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John...a few days ago, I left a message about the first page number in a
chapter not appearing when loaded into the version 2 beta. The problem
only occurs when version 1.1 chapters are loaded into version 2. Well, I
can get the page numbers to appear now by resetting the page number
format to 1,2.

Note that the new style sheets and template sets for the magazine were
created from scratch in version 2.0, but the problem also occurs on
these files. I got curious and tried to load a few old chapters from
some manuals. 50% of the time, the first page number did not appear, but
I could force it to appear by clicking on 1,2 in the counter dialog box.

I've also had a problem trying to conceal graphics lines placed on the
underlying page. If I put a solid white frame over a line, the line
bleeds through on the display and when printed. Am I doing something
wrong? I use this feature a lot to bleed graphic images over ruling
lines and boxes. It doesn't work anymore.

cc: Bob Moody


Date: 12-11-88 (10:24)               Number: 47
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MICHAEL STOICO                   Read: YES
Subj: VP AND THE IBM 3812            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...I think the 3812 pageprinter is forefather of the IBM personal
pageprinter. I know that it is used on host VM systems and is phasing
out the 5210 printers. IBM is still selling them so it may be a larger
model of the personal pageprinter.

Take care...Michael


Date: 12-11-88 (10:28)               Number: 48
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GEORGE HAVACH                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: TOPS NETWORK                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi there,
         Anybody out there using Ventura while running on a TOPS
Network? If so, I'd be very interested to know how your getting past
TOPS' outrageous memory usage (it grabs ~200K). What memory-expansion
board or other device have you found useful? I'd like to know if there's
any economical solution to the meory conflict.

Tnaks in advice for any advice.................................George


Date: 12-11-88 (10:34)               Number: 49
  To: MICHAEL STOICO                 Refer#: 48
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VP AND THE IBM 3812            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Michael...a friend tells me that the 3812 has been built for several
years and was originally intended as one of IBM's Net printers. Drivers
and fonts are proprietary to IBM. I'm afraid that the only way you are
going to find a driver is if some enterprising soul writes one. Ventura
Software supports the most popular printers directly and offers tech
support for developers who write drivers on their own.

Possibly another 3812 user will log in and upload a driver. I'll keep my
eye out when visiting other boards and bring up the issue at our local
user group. We have a lot of IBM writers and formatters attending the
meetings.


Date: 12-11-88 (10:40)               Number: 50
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN KERR                        Read: NO
Subj: SYSOP'S VISIT                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene. John calling from C.E.P.I.C. BBS in Bramalea Ontario Canada.
Just dropped by in reponse to a message you left on my system earlier
today in regards to getting my address for including us in your
mailings. Very glad that you have joined the ranks of the NPE, I think
that we will all benefit from the rapidly growing group.

I should keep this short since I see that I have a noisy line here.

The address for my system is C.E.P.I.C. BBS, c/o John Kerr, 30 Athlone
Avenue, Bramalea Ontario, Canada L6T 2N7

Looking forward to receiving your magazine. Talk to you later...John


Date: 12-11-88 (10:44)               Number: 51
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ALAN NIVEN                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: NICE BOARD                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for access to your board. Looks like there is a lot going on. I
have a bunch of Atari ST DTP files, I could upload if there is any
interest. I run a new OPUS BBS called PostBoard 707-882-2833 HST 75
megs. Stop by if you're interested. I'll connect again soon. --Alan


Date: 12-11-88 (11:00)               Number: 52
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: WORDPROCESSING                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Well, on Ventura going the way of Borland, it dawned on me that perhaps
that is exactly why Meyer chose to let Xerox market it for him. As a
finance man (or former finance man), I understand that a lot of the
problems and need to raise cash ( which inevitably brings in the
professionals like I was) is to mount an effective marketing effort.
Then particular as these "professionals" share a great commonality of
interest with bankers and other investors (read Bottom Line), the poor
original developers/founders get squeezed out due to their primary
interest/talent in writing code, etc. and inability or disinterest in
the financial side.

As for WordStar 5, I took a look last night. The drop down menus are
nice and page preview is a great feature that knocks the sock off
comparable programs (though I haven't looked at WordPerfect 5 yet), but
old Wschange is more in evidence than it was before. You can't even get
the screen in color without using it.

There is a font manager, but it looks like all it does is write a font
database that you have to use another program (prchange ?) to use to
integrate this database  in your .prn (printer file). Not exactly very
well integrated or simple, particularly for novices.

On the whole, I think that WS 5 is probably the most customizable word
processing program in the world (well, maybe Sprint beats it on user
interface customizing), but who needs to spend the evening or day
setting it up. I use PFS: Professional Write as it came out of the box.
And I got Ventura when I need its power.

I'm afraid Micropro is doomed. But I still like Wordstar 3.3. Nice,
small, fits on a floppy disk and with default printer will print darn
near any printer in world (even worked with my laser with built in
fonts).

Chris


Date: 12-11-88 (11:05)               Number: 53
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MAEVE MAHON                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: PRINTING TO LINOTRON 100       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I need help printing captured HotShot screen to a Linotronic 100. They
print fine to an Apple LaserWriter, but when I try to run them on the
Linotronic -- nothng comes out!! And, of course, I'm on deadline. If
anyone has tried this successfully, please let me know. Thanks in
advance. Maeve


Date: 12-11-88 (11:10)               Number: 54
  To: MAEVE MAHON                    Refer#: 54
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: PRINTING TO LINOTRON 100       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Maeve...call telephone information for Los Altos, CA (area code 415) and
ask for the telephone number of SymSoft, Inc. When the receptionist
answers the phone, ask for Mike Cuthbertson and explain your problem. If
the Linotronic is not printing the files they will probably want to know
about it. If Mike is not in, ask for Greg Dansforth. Greg wrote HotShot.

However, in thinking about this a little more, it sound more like a
Linotronic problem than a HotShot problem. Maybe some other use has
encountered this problem before.


Date: 12-11-88 (11:17)               Number: 55
  To: MAEVE MAHON                    Refer#: 54
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: PRINTING TO LINOTRON 100       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Maeve...try one more thing. Download the file LINOTRON.ARC from the
Ventura Conference area. It contains Ventura Software's instructions for
building a cable and downloading the DTR file to the Linotronic 100.
This may be your problem if nothing, including text, is being printed.


Date: 12-11-88 (11:20)               Number: 56
  To: RITCHIE KOLNOS                 Refer#: 13
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA W/ LINOTRONIC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ritchie...download the file, LINOTRON.ARC, containing Ventura Software's
instructions for setting up a Linotronic with Ventura. Let me know if it
helps.


Date: 12-11-88 (11:23)               Number: 57
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 57
From: RITCHIE KOLNOS                   Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA W/ LINOTRONIC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...Thank you for the information about the LINOTRON.ARC file. I've
downloaded it and it will be very helpful. The file is basically a
reprint of an article that explains the cabling hookups between a PC and
a Linotronic. Thanks for your suggestion.


Date: 12-11-88 (11:47)               Number: 58
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN HUENERS                  Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: TIP: SET A BALLOT BOX          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

                  HOW TO USE VENTURA ASCII CHARACTERS
                         TO CREATE BALLOT BOXES

I create many forms with Ventura, so I frequently need to use "ballot"
or "check-off" boxes. Since I'm using a HP LaserJet Series II, and fonts
that already provide the characters, I've come up with a way to have
Ventura create them using the underbar (_) character and the bar (|)
character and supply the correct "kern character" and "raise cheracter"
information.

This is more versatile method than drawing a frame or graphic box,
since, being text characters, this box will move with the text as it is
edited. One of the articles in Ventura Publishes a few months back
suggested using specially tagged paragraphs with "frame ruling around"
on, however this method will not allow the insertion of the box in
mid-sentence.

One thing to keep in mind when you use my method is that these codes are
making specific point size calls, and that if that size is different
fromt he current font, all copy after the box will reflect the new point
size.

There are several ways to deal with this.

1.   If you are only placing one or two boxes in text, simply highlight
     the copy *after* the box and pick normal. Be certain that anytime
     after you've placed the box you do not highlight and change text
     attributes of any text that includes a box. All the special
     formatting codes, the kerns and the raises will be stripped. So if
     you want a bold box you have to create a separate set of codes for
     that, in addition to calling a specific size, also calls a bold
     at that size.

2.   If you are placing more than a few boxes, do all the work in your
     text editor and add a code at the end to the box code to change
     the font size back to BODY TEXT size. For example, this code will
     create a 12 point box.

         <P12>|<MK12>_<J206K50>_<J0K12>|<DK0>

     If the BODY TEXT size is 14 point, simply add "P14" to the final
     code set.

         <P12>|<MK12>_<J206K50>_<J0K12>|<DK0P14>

To save type and eliminate typos, I've created macros in my word
processor (WP 5.0) that return the basic box. If I need to modify
anything, like another point size at the end of the box, I simply Search
/Replace.

These then are the code you use to get the boxes:

12 point:     <P12>|<MK12>_<J206K50>_<J0K12>|<DK0>

10 point:     <P10>|<MK10>_<J216K41>_<J0K10>|<DK0>

08 point:     <P8>|<MK9>_<J223K34>_<J0K11>|<DK0>

06 point:     <P6>|<MK5>_<J231K28>_<J0K5>|<DK0>



Date: 12-11-88 (11:55)               Number: 59
  To: RITCHIE KOLNOS                 Refer#: 58
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA W/ LINOTRONIC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ritchie...here's another lead on Linotronic information for you. The
typographer who designed the Scoop schapter in Ventura's \TYPESET
directory is Stephen Manousos. Steve is president of the California
Typographer's Club, author of several books on typesetting and owner of
Aptos Post Typography. He may be able to point you in the direction of
additional information about the Linotronic. I don't have Steve's
telephone number, but here's the address:

         Stephen Manousos
         Aptos Post Typography
         P.O. Box 910
         Aptos, CA 95001

I believe the typesetting club runs a private bbs service. You can find
out from Steve.


Date: 12-11-88 (12:02)               Number: 60
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF OCT88.PS.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Steve Sander's WYSIWYG magazine is now downloadable from the Forum. This
months issue, OCT88-PS.ARC, is presently on-line. At least four back
issues will also be available in the Main Board area by the end of the
week. You can also download the file from the Ventura Conference.


Date: 12-11-88 (12:06)               Number: 61
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT WARNKE                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEC LC-890                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

NEC LC-890 users...is there anyone out there using the LC-890 to it's
full capacity, i.e., with all the fonts built in. I have yet to reach
anyone at NEC who can tell me how to use all the built in fonts with
Ventura Publisher. There has to be a width table somewhere. If you here
about one, please let me know!
RGW


Date: 12-11-88 (12:09)               Number: 62
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 50
From: MICHAEL STOICO                   Read: NO
Subj: VP AND THE IBM 3812            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
     Well, that's a start. I've checked here and on CompuServ. And the
replies have been pretty much the same. My intention is to write the
driver myself. I work for IBM so I've got some feelers out on the 3812
side of things. How do I contact Ventura to get their help (or have I
already?)

Mike


Date: 12-11-88 (12:14)               Number: 63
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT WARNKE                    Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: NEC LC-890 DRIVER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

NEC Information Systems told me that they have a driver for Ventura on
their bulletin board, but their bulletin board is down. Is there anyone
out there that has the driver, would they pass it on?

RGW


Date: 12-11-88 (12:21)               Number: 64
  To: TODD LEONARD                   Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: VP FILE FORMATS                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If you are a qualified developer and wish to write utilities for Ventura
Publisher, you should write directly to Ventura Software, 1188 Padre
Drive, Suite 201, Salinas, CA 93901. Please describe the exact nature of
the product you wish to develop and what information you need. Most of
our file formats are proprietary and are only available under
non-disclosure to qualified developers. Information on screen and
printer driver development is available to qualified developers who have
purchased the GEM developer's toolkit from Digital Research.

Direct all development inquiries to my attention and I will make sure
that the right person handles the request.


Date: 12-11-88 (12:25)               Number: 65
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 47
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: PAGE NUMBERS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
..
This sounds like a problem that we had quite some time ago. Xerox was
pretty slow in updating the beta sites towards the end of the beta
testing. At one time, you could not print the first page, and the pages
which did print were always one page beyond the ones requested.
..
You should have a VP.APP or VPPRIF.APP file dated 9/11/88 or later.


Date: 12-11-88 (12:49)               Number: 66
  To: BOB LEVINE                     Refer#: 16
From: CARROLL BAKER                    Read: NO
Subj: TO: CARROLL BAKER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bob...having trouble getting this msg out...yes, I do remember the
conversation and am glad you did't forget. Even though Professional
Extension now does equations, I still feel that an article on how to do
it if you don't have PE would be a great idea and this has been a bone
of contention for some advanced and merely adventurous VP users. Would
it be OK with you to use part of your previous message/article as a
letter to the editor in the magazine, or Q&A section? Parts of it, even
with the new version out, are of interest to our readers. Please let me
or Gene know. Looking forward to your submission soonest. Let others
know that we do want articles, letters to editor and questions (with and
without answers) and especially for the November issue all kinds of tips
and tricks with Ventura. For December...how to become rich and famous
(well, maybe just good looking) with Ventura and DTP as a vocation,
business opportunity or may we go this far...career path. A lot of
people are doing it...more are interested...how do they know when
they're ready...how do they go about it...Again looking forward to your
article. All for now. Carroll Baker, Editor, Ventura Professional!


Date: 12-14-88 (23:48)               Number: 67
  To: ROBERT WARNKE                  Refer#: 64
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: NEC LC-890 DRIVER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Robert...leave the number of the NEC bulletin board and I'll try to
download the file for you. I may also be able to get the file from an
alternate source.

...Gene


Date: 12-15-88 (00:09)               Number: 68
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: 68
From: ROBERT WARNKE                    Read: NO
Subj: NEC LC-890 DRIVER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Since I'm logging on away from the office, I can't give you the number
until later, yet I was told yesterday that they were moving to a new
building and the board would be up ASAP. You mentioned a message from
John Grant, I can see the message numbers (410, 414) when I look at
personal mail, but I can't seem to read them...do you know why.

Also I hope you didn't get the idea that I can't print...quite the
contrary...yet there are still some fonts I can't use which are built
into the printer.

I'll let you know when I solve the problem of the elusive fonts, by the
way, thanks for all the dilligent help, it's greatly appreciated.
RGW

cc: John Grant
    Rick Altman


Date: 12-15-88 (00:15)               Number: 69
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JEFF PERRY                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: HELP! VENTURA & THE EGA        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am a new VP user and am having difficulty installing Ventura on my 286
Clone (PC Source aka CompuADD) with a no name EGA card.

Once installed (per instruction manual) for the EGA /EGA monitor and a
mouse, when I try to run the program I begin to get little glitches in
the opening GEM screen and subsequent screens and dialog boxes. The
cursor then begins to disintegrate, and finally the system locks up or
crashes me out to the DOS prompt. My guess is the no-name EGA card is
not quite 100% compatible. Anyone else have a similar problem?

Thanx in advance. JLP


Date: 12-15-88 (00:40)               Number: 71
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: 53
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: WORDPROCESSING                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Chris...from what I know of the founders of Ventura Software, I would
say your estimation of their motives for marketing the package through
Xerox is pretty close. You've got to remember that all of the founders
worked for Digital Research, Inc. and they were very well aware of the
difficulties of running a large company with too many people. During an
interview with John Meyer, Don Heiskell, Lee Jay Lorenzon and John Grant
in 1986, everyone focused on the point of keeping the development effort
small -- a close group of people who like working with one another. I
think that this was a good move and the decision to market the product
with Xerox opened a door where the product could be distributed
internationally without increasing the number of personnel on the
development team. You might note that Ventura Software is still a team
of 5 including their office manager, Michelle.

I wish I had the time to review and use all the software packages you
speak about. Between this board and my other duties on the magazine, I
just don't have any free time to play any more.

...Gene


Date: 12-15-88 (00:51)               Number: 72
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: 72
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: YES
Subj: WORDPROCESSING                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Well, I may have been dead wrong about the Xerox/Ventura relationship
being positive. I am really hot about how Xerox has been handling
upgrading current users. The stores in Houston are full of copies of
Version 2 and I haven't even had a letter from Xerox offering me a
upgrade. Last time I talked to Xerox Dallas, they admitted they were
concentrating on getting Version 2 in the distribution channel BEFORE
addressing users.

I think that stinks!!!

On other software, I get a upgrade offer usually before it hits the
store shelves. Including mail time, it is usally after it hits the
stores that I get the upgrade in hand, but not by much. In my immodest
opinion, Ventura was initially fueled by users positive word of mouth.
Alienating current users is not the way to increase sales.

In fact, it will be interesting to see if I am offered a pirate copy of
Version 2 before I am allowed to obtain my legal copy.

Chris


Date: 12-15-88 (01:02)               Number: 73
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: VPUGH BBS                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hop you got on Carroll's board before he lost his Ventura message base
due to some unknown system problem. I mean the Ventura Conf. Message
base. Apparently, he is not going to rebuild it from the backup, but I'm
not sure. He is really busy teaching classes right now. We had some nice
message threds going in there and I really miss it. I think everybody is
disheartened as not much activity since it died, but I am sure it will
pickup.

Oh, I left a hot message about the Ventura upgrade debacle to you
including the unmentional word "Pirate". I was hoping to get John
Meyer's attention to see how he feels about the whole situation.

I'm really hot about this, but also full of hardware problems so I
haven't had time to holler at my Dallas Xerox office. Will do so this
week.

I was not kidding one bit. I bet I do have the opportunity to get a
pirate copy of Version 2 before I get my legal copy. And that is gonna
make me LIVID. Of course, you understand that the Houston computer
community has always been a favorite. Ironic really, because most of the
folks probably have no use for it.

I would never condone piracy, but at least locally, I bet it has had a
very positive effect on Ventura's reputation and sales. There are very
few programs I can think of that are as coveted and sought after.

Chris


Date: 12-15-88 (01:56)               Number: 74
  To: STEPHEN HUENERS                Refer#: 59
From: CARROLL BAKER                    Read: YES
Subj: TIP: SET A BALLOT BOX          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Stephen - thanks for your response re: how to do ballot or check boxes.
We've printed a couple over the last year, and other BBS users are also
turned on to contributing..you've started something good.  To
repeat...this editor is ALWAYS looking for and welcoming submissions,
articles, tips and tricks, chapter or special user profiles, etc.  If
you or anyone else can give us instructions on how to do something that
when followed give reproducible results, PLEASE SEND ON DISK OR UPLOAD
VIA THE BBS!  Long or short.  Who knows...you might be our next Workshop
author!

Carroll Baker, Editor, Ventura Professional!


Date: 12-15-88 (02:21)               Number: 75
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: 75
From: STEPHEN HUENERS                  Read: YES
Subj: TIP: SET A BALLOT BOX          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the opportunity to submit a trick -- of course this is my
chance to show off -- feel free to bleed whatever color ink you wish or
give me a day-time call if I can clarify anything.


Date: 12-15-88 (02:26)               Number: 76
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

While we were chatting about Ventura, there is one thing about the Ver.
2 press release that is really bugging me. It mentioned that certain
PostScript special effects may be programmed to be represented by
different colors on the screen. I talked to one Houston Ventura user who
claims to be a Version 2 beta tester and she said the documentation she
was furnished makes no mention of the same.

Just thought you might of heard. Ability to do outline fonts was only
hint I've seen so far.

Chris


Date: 12-15-88 (02:34)               Number: 77
  To: GEORGE WEINERT                 Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN HUENERS                  Read: YES
Subj: QUESTION ON NEWSDESI.ARC       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

George,

I was interested to see your message regarding the availability of the
designer style templates you uploaded. It's always helpful to see how
others execute functions.

However, I'm not sure I completely understand how to get into these
sheets. CHP files are present so I've attempted to open them. I've
zarc'ed all the files and placed them on Drive A:.

On each occasion, I've had my system locked up after OK'ing to chapter
open. Once I received a dialog box from Ventura referring to ERROR
function. Each attempt to open a chapter has forced me to power down to
recover.

Your message refers to the "edit function to remove the existant text
files used for samples..." I assume you mean to edit frames to load new
files...but given the troubles I'm having, I am not sure.

Again, thans for the samples, but can you help with the problem I'm
having?

cc: Gene Rodrigues


Date: 12-15-88 (02:43)               Number: 78
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: 77
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I believe you heard about the color shading provisions. With 2.0, you
can assign colors of your own, assign them user-defined names and select
the color options on the font menu. This assumes you're using a VGA
monitor or high resolution monitor supported by Ventura. However, if you
don't have one of these, you can use the color definition system to
exploit the progressive gray shading supported by PostScript and other
high-level page description languages. Rather than assign colors, you
can define shades of gray in 1/10 % increments. Real nice feature if you
have a printer which can output the fine degradations in gray tone.

If there are other features, I'm not sure what they are. I'm not
completely up on VP 2.0 yet. We just started to use it in production in
the last two weeks or so. If John Meyer or John Grant sees this message,
they may be able to elaborate on this more.


Date: 12-15-88 (03:06)               Number: 79
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: 74
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VPUGH BBS                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Chris...I left the message in a comment to the Sysop, so I think he got
the message alright. He probably just has not had time to call yet if he
is as busy as you say he is.

The HAL PC deal should be great for VPUGH. HAL is a well known user
organization within the PC community and has lots of clout plus a large
bank account. Even though VPUGH and VPUG are no longer affiliated, we
should develop a system for exchanging ideas. This board and Carroll
Hank's board might just serve that purpose. Also, if Carroll plans to
add NetMail, let me know. We'll be starting a Ventura explicit ECHO
conference real soon.

...Gene


Date: 12-15-88 (03:12)               Number: 80
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: LOCKUP PROBLEM                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John...we've found a reoccurring, but intermittent problem with the
latest Viking 1 driver -- the one that's intended for Version 2.0. Henry
Niles shipped us a driver with a note in which he indicated that a
single driver was now used for Ventura Publisher and GEM 3.0
applications.

A lockup occurs when changing modes and sometimes after executing the
Save command from the files menu. The problem does not seem to be
isolated to any single mode change sequence. We do not feel that the
problem has anything to do with the actual software routines, since the
mouse freezes on the screen in the same exact location. It seems to
lockup if the mouse is moved slightly after executing a mode change or
the Save command. The mouse cursor always freezes in a position over the
right corner of the Table Edit icon.

Note that Carroll Baker and I have been both experiencing the same
problem. So far, this problem has been restricted to the use of the
Viking monitor and no others.


Date: 12-15-88 (03:20)               Number: 81
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: 79
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have a VGA and, in fact, run Ventura in 800 by 600 16 color mode with
the driver furnished with my Paradise VGA Plus card. It's real nice in
that I can get a full page on the screen with no greeking. Letters are
small and not terribly east to read, but they are letters.

I'm thinking of upgrading to 800 by 600 with 256 colors, but not
specifically for Ventura.

The programmable PostScript functions I was referring to are in a file
called something like pspre.eff, which must be renamed to something like
ps2.pre (normal PostScript file) to get the special effects. I know they
include font outlining. You program them to match whatever screen color
you want, then you just choose the color in Ventura and get the special
PostScript font effect when you print. Just curious what it will do
besides outline a letter.

Chris


Date: 12-15-88 (03:23)               Number: 82
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT WARNKE                    Read: YES
Subj: THANKS                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
    I really appreciate your dilligence in helping me with my driver
problem.
See ya later!
RGW


Date: 12-15-88 (03:32)               Number: 83
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID KATZ                       Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello. I was just browsing through your system and am very impressed.
Have just started to use Ventura and was looking for systems that have
files for Ventura. This is great! I hope that I may be allowed access to
use the system. I am a sysop for a closed system for my employer, but I
have gotten permission to open a second node for the public. We have 110
mb available for downloading. We are computer consultants specializing
in Novell Lans and we have lots of utilities and games as well as the
usual DOS, printer, and misc. Maybe we can work out a sharing
arrangement between the two systems. Anyway, I look forward to using
your system. Thanks...


Date: 12-15-88 (03:35)               Number: 84
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: HENRY POLARD                     Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I downloaded files using Xmodem with CRC, and was able to unarc them at
work. The problem was that I used plain Xmodem rather than Xmodem with
CRC. Thanks much for your help.


Date: 12-15-88 (03:40)               Number: 85
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN HUENERS                  Read: YES
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm not sure, but I thought I saw a line in the press release on Version
2.0 about accomodating a mixture of portrait and landscape on a single
pass. This would be possible in a vanilla HPLJII.


Date: 12-15-88 (03:56)               Number: 86
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: 77
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: POSTSCRIPT SPECIAL EFFECT      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Chris,

I'm the person responsible for implementing the PostScript driver for
Ventura Publisher, including its "special effects" capabilities. The
original intent behind the special effects preample (PS2.EFF, which can
replace PS2.PRE to provide these effects) was to provide a model for
other enterprising PostScript hacker out there. The idea was that a few
neat PostScript-specific features could be provided to anybody who
wanted them -- but that teaching people to fish was really more
effective. This is consistent with our policy of trying to encourage and
support enterprising third party development.

Anyway, besides serving as a model, the "special effects" preample
really has only one neat feature -- outline font support. Text can be
drawn using an outline font specifying that it is a particular color (I
don't remember which). In addition, there were two text rotation
capabilities which were implemented before we included text rotation as
a feature in VP itself. These remain in the preample simply to provide
further examples.

I am of the opinion that the special effects preample doesn't even come
close to providing the capabilities available in third party efforts,
such as Corel's. But maybe it will inspire others to investigate some of
the "hidden" (i.e. less apparent) features of VP.

Regards,
jg


Date: 12-15-88 (03:58)               Number: 87
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 82
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: LOCKUP PROBLEM                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,

I presume you've contacted Mr. Niles about this problem. If not, please
do so and tell him that if he needs any further assistance, he should
contact Don.

jg


Date: 12-15-88 (08:57)               Number: 88
  To: STEPHEN HUENERS                Refer#: 87
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ventura Publisher 2.0 does not really support portrait and landscape on
the same page. For PostScript printers, it does allow paragraph
rotations in 90 degree increments (90, 180, 270). Several new products
are hitting the market which do allow HP LaserJet and other printers toe
ability to perform PostScript special effects. One such product,
"Freedom of Press", from Custom Applications, Inc. (CAI) comes with 35
fonts compatible with the set found on the Apple LaserWriter Plus and
does all PostScript special effects. We'll be doing a review on it and
several other similar products in the next few months.


Date: 12-15-88 (09:01)               Number: 89
  To: STEPHEN HUENERS                Refer#: 78
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: QUESTION ON NEWSDESI.ARC       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Stephen...I'll try to take a look at the file when the board is not
busy. I just barged in between calls to answer your message. If the file
is usable, I'll make a readme.doc file to explain how to install the
chapters. If not, I'll leave a message on George's board to see if I can
get a copy. You can call George also. He's a little closer to home.
Check the bulletins (Bulletin 2) for the telephone number for the
Publisher's Information Exchange (PIS). It's in Chicago.


Date: 12-15-88 (09:04)               Number: 90
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: 89
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: LOCKUP PROBLEM                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John...I passed a copy of my message to Bob Moody who has been dealing
with Henry Niles. I'll double check to make sure Mr. Niles got the
message. ...Gene


Date: 12-15-88 (09:08)               Number: 91
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: HOWARD SOBEL                     Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Enjoed looking around. I downloaded a file and tried to upload a file. I
seem to have problems with PC Pursuit on certain boards. It will
sometimes let your download transmit and give problems with uploads or
vice-versa. Zmodem almost uploaded. Thanks again...I'll be in touch.

Howard Sobel
Sobel Desktop Publishing
3109 Nottingham Road
Norristown, PA 19403
215-539-6160


Date: 12-15-88 (09:12)               Number: 92
  To: HOWARD SOBEL                   Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: PC PURSUIT PROBLEMS            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Howard...let me know if you continue to have problems. I'll be switching
to USR Courier 2400E modems with MNP5 error checking in mid-December.
You may have better luck after the new modems are on-line.

If you see some files you need and have trouble downloading them, you
might be able to make arrangements with VPUG to have a disk shipped to
your address.

...Gene


Date: 12-15-88 (09:20)               Number: 93
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN HUENERS                  Read: (N/A)
Subj: CONFERENCES                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'd like some feedback from other users who are interested in a
conference dedicated to the creation of forms using Ventura. I think
this could make a good conference that would pass some valuable
information about accomplishing special effects and could save users
from the expense of purchasing dedicated forms software.

Of course this grows out of my personal prejudice (or affection) for
what I've been involved in over the last year.

If there are production graphic artists out there who either create
forms or work in a shop where somebody else creates them, drop me a
line. If you are business-oriented users who need to construct an
occasional form and would like to able to share experiences, lets hear
from you.

My perspective on this is that, like so many other products (software),
the writers can't see all the tasks  that will be possible when they
provide users with flexible and comprehensive features. I think Ventura
can be shown to be an excellent forms tool and would like to start a
dialogue along those lines.

Chris


Date: 12-15-88 (09:28)               Number: 94
  To: ROBERT WARNKE                  Refer#: 84
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: NEC LC890                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Robert...use the View command from the File menu to check out the file
VPLC890.ARC. The source of the file indicates that it was downloaded
from the NEC board a few months ago. It contains a driver and a width
table. You'll have to download the file to figure if the missing fonts
are addressable. Let me know if the width table did what you wanted it
to do or leave a public message indicating such. Other users may have
the same wish to use the missing fonts.

...Gene


Date: 12-15-88 (09:31)               Number: 95
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT WARNKE                    Read: NO
Subj: NEC LC890                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dear Gene,
         I can't thank you enough...I will let you know how it works.
Has anyone ever done an article about the LC-890 for the newsletter?
RGW


Date: 12-15-88 (09:36)               Number: 96
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DEIRDRE' STRAUGHAN               Read: (N/A)
Subj: VENTURA 1.12 AND NETWORKS      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am about to beta test the LaserMaster CapCard on a Novell ELS 286
network. Does anyone know anything (and can you answer *fast*) about
running Ventura from a Network? I have a RAM disk in the workstation I
intend to use, if that's any help. Ventura is also on that station, but
I guess I'll need to be on the network in order to use the new CAPCard.
Has anyone successfully ran Ventura from a RAM disk? Any ideas at all
would be appreciated!


Date: 12-15-88 (09:42)               Number: 97
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN HUENERS                  Read: NO
Subj: MODERATORS                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

As you probably read in my previous message, I'm suggesting opening a
Forms Oriented conference. I'd be interested in exploring the
possibility of helping with this process in position of moderator and
would like some more details regarding the commitment you are looking
for.

For example: is this a live setting and would a moderator have to be
available at a specific time? If so, and they are daytime hours, what
about long distance charges.

The whole process sounds really interesting and I'm looking forward to
it regardless of the role I play.


Date: 12-15-88 (09:51)               Number: 98
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: HANS ANDRIESE                    Read: YES
Subj: DUTCH VENTURA EDITION          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello Carroll,
             Remeber me? We met at Seybold a few weeks ago. We as a
Dutch Ventura Publisher Users Group want to use some of your material.
Bob, you and me discussed that.

Can you look into the posibility that we get the text files of your main
articles from the September issue? The one that was called "The Turbo
Powered Go Mobile".

If possible we would like to include this in full lengths (including
snapshots of screen displays) in our forth coming issue of the Dutch
version of Ventura Professional!

To that purpose, we urgently need a file with the text and possibly the
graphics. You can send these in either floppy format or via E-mail
(download/upload to my address).

But first can you answer me if this is allowed and if the text is
available to use?

Meanwhile best wishes

cc: Hans Andriese


Date: 12-15-88 (10:19)               Number: 99
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT THOMAS                    Read: NO
Subj: PHOENIX TBBS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene,
  Got your message on my board about Phoenix TBBS. I can't help you
there as I was locked out after I registered. I don't know why. All I
did was leave an introduction to the sysop. I will relay your message to
Ron LaFon. See Ya...


Date: 12-15-88 (10:23)               Number: 100
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: THOMAS MUI                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: DOWNLOAD FONTS                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been using VP with JRAMAT3 cards. In loading or rather putting in
updates, and reloading my Conographic Zapf Chancery via SoftCraft
WYSIWYG program, I get the Chancery on my screen but what prints out on
the HP LaserJet II is Dutchbold. Where did I go wrong? Also, has anyone
had experience with JRAMAT3 cards that switched to the LaserMaster card?
I understand that the LaserMaster is filled with the same fonts that
Adobe puts in the Mac printers. HELP!

cc: Gene Rodrigues


Date: 12-15-88 (10:33)               Number: 101
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: POSSIBLE BUGS                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have forwarded items 1 and 2 to Don. Number 3 is not a bug, but
reflects what the item selector now does if the directory last viewed
(i.e., the current "default") does not exist.

Thanks for the input!

jg


Date: 12-16-88 (02:29)               Number: 102
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 96
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: NEC LC890                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bob...a little more info for you on the NEC LC-890 driver:

The driver on the NEC bulletin board is an old driver which was provided
to NEC (by me) during testing of one of the 1.1 patch releases. It has
since been superceded and most likely provides nothing beyond what the
standard PostScript driver provides. This is almost certainly the case
because we don't make source code for our PostScript driver available
for enhancement by third parties (except Imagen, but even there, it's a
very limited amount of source code we provide). I don't know if NEC is
providing a width table, but if that is in fact what you've arced and
provided, it probably provides the real value-added. Most likely, it
will have their additional fonts set for resident.

I've spoken with NEC in the last week and recommended to them that the
PostScript driver not be made available in the future -- particularly
not for version 2 customers. That would be a real disservice! They will
continue to provide the 24-pin dot matrix driver for 1.0 and 1.1
customers though, since no solution was previously made there. But,
again, 2.0 customers should use the Ventura Epson LQ driver for NEC
24-pin printers.

Hope that this has helped!

jg


Date: 12-16-88 (02:39)               Number: 103
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: 28
From: BILL AUCLAIR                     Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA ECHO CONFERENCE        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
I'm somewhat ambivalent about setting up a Ventura -specific echo. It
*would* take a hell of a lot away from the general DTP echoes like
LASERPUB, but on the other hand, you make a good point that Ventura is
complex enough to warrant such treatment. Either way, consider me a feed
if and when you get such a echomail conference going. My FidoNet Matrix
number is 1:141/715 -- drop me a message when you're ready to get
started, and I can function as your Notheast feed for the echo until it
becomes popular enough to put on regular echomail distribution routes
across the country. Let me know...
B-)   Bill Auclair


Date: 12-16-88 (22:57)               Number: 104
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MARSHALL NORRIS                  Read: YES
Subj: PROTOCOLS                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

comm protocol, then gives choices from among "Imodem," "Xmodem," etc.
I'm running a Hayes 1200B internal on a Compaq portable, and my options
are limited to "verification" and "stop-start."  What SHOULD I have
entered as a protocol?
Marsh




Date: 12-16-88 (22:59)               Number: 105
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: BOB TRACY                        Read: YES
Subj: NEW TO BULLETIN BOARD          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

please upgrade. I am member. I am head of VPUG Camarillo
Meets in California Lutheran University, Thousand Oaks
fourth Tuesday 7:00 pm no meeting in December.
Need info where to find "Packet1 and Packet2.ARC"
thanx



Date: 12-16-88 (23:00)               Number: 106
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: THOMAS MUI                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: FONTS                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Looked into my Ventura files this morning and unfortunately it seems
correct i.e. ZC120BPN.B120BPN.EGA, ZC300BPN.B30 and ZC300BPN.EGA.
I have 7766016 byte left in E:\Ventura. As indicated, I am using JRAMAT3
cards with 4megs of memory - back to Ventura 1.1 without the patches?
Thanks again for everyone's assise. Maybe Bitstream is the answer (or
Glyphix).

cc: Gene Rodrigues
    John Grant




Date: 12-16-88 (23:01)               Number: 107
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: THOMAS MUI                       Read: NO
Subj: FONTS                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Looked into my Ventura files this morning and unfortunately it seems
correct i.e. ZC120BPN.B120BPN.EGA, ZC300BPN.B30 and ZC300BPN.EGA.
I have 7766016 byte left in E:\Ventura. As indicated, I am using JRAMAT3
cards with 4megs of memory - back to Ventura 1.1 without the patches?
Thanks again for everyone's assise. Maybe Bitstream is the answer (or
Glyphix).

cc: Gene Rodrigues
    John Grant




Date: 12-16-88 (23:03)               Number: 108
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: RON HODGES                       Read: YES
Subj: NEW USERS GROUP                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Carroll:  We are just starting our Special Interst Group on DTP and if
there are enough Ventura users/prospective users we will start a separat
group for just Ventura.  Our club is quite small, about 175 paid members
but the last meeting really brought out the DTP fans.  I'll keep on top
of the situation and let you know how we are doing.

               RON



Date: 12-16-88 (23:05)               Number: 109
  To: BOB TRACY                      Refer#: 107
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: NEW TO BULLETIN BOARD          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bob, You access rights have been upgraded and they will be increased onc
more when the new conferencing system goes on line. Carroll Baker will b
hosting a conference just for VPUG Chapters. Any VPUG Chapter will have
the opportunity to route mail to another. A NetMail system will also be
available for sending files or messages to Electronic VPUG Chapters
located in Houston, Chicago, Seattle and Atlanta.
    A little patience here will go a long way. We're attempting to force
this BBS software to perform operations it cannot do. Future enhancement
to the software will eventually circumvent this problem. We should have
conferencing facilities, Netmail and Echomail installed within the next
month.
    Thanks for your patience... Gene R.



Date: 12-16-88 (23:10)               Number: 110
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GEORGE WEINERT                   Read: YES
Subj: DOING FINE...                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks Gene, sorry have been really sick this week, but got a conference
for VPUG set up at PIS, and got the new questionairre script writer for
RBBS as well, so will put a Ventura questionairre in effect.

No, I have no quarrel with the Des Plaines group, in fact see no reason
whatsoever why a town as large as Chicago should only have ONE chapter,
and one that small to boot! Brought this up with JIm some months ago, an
he seems rather luke warm to the idea! What REALLY makes no sense to me
at all is the fact that the FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL community of the downtown
VP users are not being reached at all! Even when we had our meetings at
LaserMaster, later Xerox in Des Plaines, they were not there.

I know, from my consulting and training work at PIS that there are at
least 500 VP users in the downtown, river north and susrrounding areas o
Chicago, and brached the idea with Kettlecamp of a downtown chapter, and
of course Xerox has a large center down there (In fact even trained the
Arthu Anderson Staff right next door!) - so, an awful lot of potential i
going to waste. You saw the bulletins at PIS, and a number of users have
already inquired about VPUG and tghe users group. I shall call you early
paert of this week, and let's see what we can figure out.

Odd, but for SOME reason the large potential of VP users in this area ar
not being reached! I know I get a lot of them at PIS that are NOT EVEN
AWARE of VPUG at all, and of course I immediately put them on to you her
now as well.




Date: 12-16-88 (23:11)               Number: 111
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GEORGE WEINERT                   Read: YES
Subj: DOING FINE...                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Yes, that wouuld indeed be a splendid idea, consisdering the central
location of Publisher, and the facilities it offers. Shall put the idea
forteh to my users at PIS and let's get it rolling!




Date: 12-16-88 (23:13)               Number: 112
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: TODD LEONARD                     Read: NO
Subj: FILE TRANSFERS                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I just tried using Kermit to transfer a single file, and it failed twice
Y-Modem Batch worked fine.  Since it's an external protocol, perhaps
there was trouble calling the program from the BBS software.



Date: 12-16-88 (23:14)               Number: 113
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GERALD WASILUK                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: PS/2                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Does anyone know how to choose memory boards for the IBM ps/2
computers that will work with Ventura 2.0 Professional Extension?
I've been told that choosing boards is tricky, especially if
Ventura does nots not provide a driver. Any ideas? Thanks.




Date: 12-16-88 (23:16)               Number: 114
  To: GEORGE WEINERT                 Refer#: 112
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: DOING FINE...                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

George,
      We placed the announcement of the Downtown Chicago group in the
October issue at the last minute. Note that two groups are listed for
Chicago in the issue. The next one will indicate a differentation in
towns (Des Plaines vs Chicago).
      I stopped in for a visit on Publisher last week and uploaded part
of the Adobe Screen font set for your users. I'll upload the missing fou
files as soon as I can. I've been busy and have not had the time. My
Netmail setup should be running by now, but I have not got a Fido addres
yet. Note that I'm installing Binkley the OPUS way and can accept mail 2
hours a day.
      I'll call your board later in the week to upload the remaining par
of the Adobe set.

Gene R...




Date: 12-16-88 (23:18)               Number: 115
  To: GEORGE WEINERT                 Refer#: 113
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: DOING FINE...                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Good...let me know how your doing and give me a voice call if you have
problems.


Date: 12-16-88 (23:19)               Number: 116
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: VERSION 2.0 UPGRADE            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

******************* VERSION 2.0 UPGRADE **************************

In response to several message placed on the Forum by Chris Johnson
(VPUGH), Bob Moody contacted Xerox to determine the schedule for shippin
Version 2.0 to users. Chris reported that copies of Version 2.0 were
already on dealer shelves in Houston.

According to Xerox, letters were shipped to users on Friday, October
14th, 1988. The package included a registration form for 2.0, a copy of
the newest edition of the 5th Mode Newsletter, and instructions for
shipping Ventura Publisher Disk #1 to Xerox. Users should get the packag
in the mail this week.

Users who have questions about this policy can call [phone] for
assitance or direct inquiries to: Xerox Corporation, Attn: Ventura
Upgrade Coordinator, P.O. Box 660512, Mail Stop MS-179, Dallas, TX
75266-0512.

Processing times for orders received early will be 3-4 weeks and 4-6
weeks for orders which are not shipped within the first week that the
package arrives.

Users who have not registered their copy of Xerox 1.1 can do so at the
same time. Instructions for doing so are included in the 5th Mode
Newsletter shipped in the package. The version 1.1 upgrade card must be
shipped along with the version 2.0 upgrade response information. Xerox
requires that a copy of Disk #1 be shipped with the package (original
disk -- not copy), so backup your #1 disk if you think you may need to
re-install the system.

This message entered by Sysop for Bob Moody, Ventura Publisher Users
Group (VPUG Central).

cc: Chris Johnson




Date: 12-16-88 (23:22)               Number: 117
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BARBE BRADLEY                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: PROBLEMS WITH VP 2.0           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been having multiple problems with VP 2.0 date 9/21-9/22.  First
selected Gem Graphs will not print that printed in VP 1.1 patch 2.  Of 8
graphs 8 have decided not to print when all graphs on pages before and
after will print.  Second, printing files to a postscript file name will
not work after printing to file.  These both occur on a variety of
machines and a variety of configuations.  Third, after entering an ASCII
code and then making the ASCII character a symbol font it was copied and
placed in a new place.  The text after that turned to symbol because I
had not gotten the end coding.  I highlighted the text and clicked on
normal and the text went crazy.  Giving me an internal system error 82,
clicking on quit, it gave me an internal system error of 8 and
ctrl-alt-del took me out of the loop.  Fourth, every time I start VP 2.0
I get a message saying that VP can't find the selected style sheet.
Fifth, a file done in VP 1.0 was loaded and the .img images gave a
message of being in the wrong format, even though they had worked before

 They loaded fine in  MegaScan.  I tried saving them in MegaScan and the
loading them.  They still would not load.   I tried saving them as .pcx
and they would not load.  I put them in the MegaBuffer and left the
program.  I went back into MegaScan and then saved them fresh as .pcx
files and they loaded.  Reloading the images into frames that had been
scaled was a problem in that then they had a scale value of 0.00 when th
empty frame was left on the page.  i.e.  the image wouldn't load so I
continued the operation and tried to load the frame left on the page wit
the new resaved image... the frame left with no image in it had a scale
value of 0.00 and the system would crash everytime unless I created a ne
frame to put the image in.  The images were PC Qwik Art Images.  Other
than these problems I am really excited about VPO
VP 2.0 and just love all of the new feature.  The copy of VP 2.0 is the
beta copy for Advanced Vision Research where I have a contract for
desktop publishing. Bob Moody said he felt the version dated 9/21-9/22
was stable enough for production so I've switched and am now stuck with
some real problems.  The postscript problem happened on more than one
machine with a variety of setup.   The file prints fine to a regular
postscript printer but when printed to file it doesn't print the eps
file.  I tried saving the gem graph pages to postscipt file and then
printing it but that wouldn't work either. HELP!
Barbe Bradley




Date: 12-16-88 (23:24)               Number: 118
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                  Read: YES
Subj: GETTING UPGRADED               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

It is not clear how I can upgrade from my current status to log on as a
member of VPUG. I am currently a subscriber and member. THanks, Alan
Blumenthal.



Date: 12-16-88 (23:25)               Number: 119
  To: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: GETTING UPGRADED               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The process is automatic. Subscriber's access rights are updated twice a
day by VPUG.




Date: 12-16-88 (23:27)               Number: 120
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: MESSAGE BASE                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The access rights of most users was upgraded recently. All users can see
most messages passing through the system now if they want to. Select the
"U" option from the Message menu to upgrade the message folders. More
options now appear on the screen. Add the balance of the message folders
to your list to view the other messages. Currently, only beta test and
private communication messages between VPUG, the Chapter officers and
Ventura Software are concealed.

PROGRESS ON MISSING SERVICES

  *  NetMail is currently being tested and should be on-line shortly.

  *  Echomail services will be added once NetMail is fully debugged.
     We will be carrying the LaserPub Echo and transmitting a VP
     specific echo from here.

  *  Separate conferences will be opened as soon as we get more voluntee
     to serve as conference monitors. VPUG will monitor a Ventura specif
     conference which will be fed to the new echo. Several volunteers ha
     come forward to serve as monitors for the other sessions. If you're
     interested in helping please let us know.

     The first conferences -- one on Ventura and another on graphics --
     will go on line when Netmail service begins later this week.

Thanks for your patience...



Date: 12-16-88 (23:30)               Number: 121
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DON WILKES                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: HPGL PROBLEMS                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have not yet received patch 2, and I'm having trouble with
importing HPGL files from Harvard Graphics, in "high-resolution"
mode.  All lines and text look like they're drawn with a REALLY
fat pen.  Anyone have any suggestions?  I can use PostScript, but
of course I can't see the graph onscreen, which obviates using
BoxText to annotate anything.  This is my first time at a BBS system,
so please have a little patience if I'm in the wrong conference or
whatever...
   \Don Wilkes, Victoria, B.C.



Date: 12-16-88 (23:33)               Number: 122
  To: GERALD WASILUK                 Refer#: 115
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: PS/2                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gerald:

In response to your question about memory boards, here are
some thoughts. I have used several expanded memory boards in
my AT compatible computer, and Ventura has proven to be very
well behaved. I don't believe that Ventura has any special
requirements concerning memory -- if it is there, if the
chips are good, and if it is installed correctly (as expanded
memory), Ventura will find it and use it.

Now, what I am not sure about is if there are any special
requirements, given the fact that your machine is a PS/2.
Ironically, PS/2s are in some ways not as IBM compatible as
XT and AT clones. If the PS/2 doesn't impose any restrictions
on memory boards, you're in the clear.

I decided not to spend the $500 or so on an EMS 4.0 board. When
I spend money like that, it will be toward a 386. Instead, I
purchased a $100 Everex board (3.2 spec) and filled it with
2 megabytes of 120 nanosecond memory. Ventura sees it and uses
it to full advantage.

To sum up, find out if there are PS/2 restrictions; you are not
likely to find any Ventura restrictions.



Rick Altman




Date: 12-16-88 (23:41)               Number: 123
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TOM ATWOOD                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: FRAME TOO COMPLEX....          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

          Assistance requested with "frame too complex" problem.


          Can anyone help with this?  Trying to create a catalog with
          7/8.5 type, 4 "vertical tabbed" paragraphs across a column
          (using "space in" L&R with breaks).  The page has a two
          column format, 22 picas width and 59,06 high.  In spite of
          the relative scarcity of tabs, the thick formatting is
          resulting in too many line elements for the 22 pica columns
          to handle.  (One reading showed 48 out of 725 line elements
          remaining, insufficient to completely format the frame.)

          The solutions offered by the Reference Manual and certain
          books, claiming to preserve automation in page generation,
          don't work.  They involve loading text onto the underlying
          page, drawing a frame over the right column, and loading the
          textfile into BOTH (sic).  One is then asked to designate
          the regular frame as a repeating frame, etc.  In my experi-
          ence, one textfile cannot be loaded into both the underlying
          frame and a regular frame, as these sources advise.  Plus,
          don't repeating frames merely display the text in the first
          one?  Anyway, I tried this solution with frustrating results
          to say the least.

          I have reason to believe that this textfile, in any frame
          the size of these columns, will be too complex to format.
          Because I'm following specs, adjustment of the number or
          size of columns is unlikely.  I realize that I may have to
          use "line snap" to draw two frames per column, and copy them
          manually through as many manually inserted pages as it
          takes.  As this is an 8 page catalog, it's acceptable for
          the present; but there are similar 80 page catalogs to do in
          the near future, and I could use some assistance.

          Is there a genuine solution to this problem that will
          preserve the automated generation of pages?  If so, please
          respond by leaving a message for me on this board.  Much
          obliged.


          Tom Atwood



Date: 12-16-88 (23:37)               Number: 124
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TOM ATWOOD                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: FRAME TOO COMPLEX MESSAGE      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gerald:

In response to your question about memory boards, here are
some thoughts. I have used several expanded memory boards in
my AT compatible computer, and Ventura has proven to be very
well behaved. I don't believe that Ventura has any special
requirements concerning memory -- if it is there, if the
chips are good, and if it is installed correctly (as expanded
memory), Ventura will find it and use it.

Now, what I am not sure about is if there are any special
requirements, given the fact that your machine is a PS/2.
Ironically, PS/2s are in some ways not as IBM compatible as
XT and AT clones. If the PS/2 doesn't impose any restrictions
on memory boards, you're in the clear.

I decided not to spend the $500 or so on an EMS 4.0 board. When
I spend money like that, it will be toward a 386. Instead, I
purchased a $100 Everex board (3.2 spec) and filled it with
2 megabytes of 120 nanosecond memory. Ventura sees it and uses
it to full advantage.

To sum up, find out if there are PS/2 restrictions; you are not
likely to find any Ventura restrictions.



Rick Altman

Reply from message #195.

          Assistance requested with "frame too complex" problem.


          Can anyone help with this?  Trying to create a catalog with
          7/8.5 type, 4 "vertical tabbed" paragraphs across a column
          (using "space in" L&R with breaks).  The page has a two
          column format, 22 picas width and 59,06 high.  In spite of
          the relative scarcity of tabs, the thick formatting is
          resulting in too many line elements for the 22 pica columns
          to handle.  (One reading showed 48 out of 725 line elements
          remaining, insufficient to completely format the frame.)

          The solutions offered by the Reference Manual and certain
          books, claiming to preserve automation in page generation,
          don't work.  They involve loading text onto the underlying
          page, drawing a frame over the right column, and loading the
          textfile into BOTH (sic).  One is then asked to designate
          the regular frame as a repeating frame, etc.  In my experi-
          ence, one textfile cannot be loaded into both the underlying
          frame and a regular frame, as these sources advise.  Plus,
          don't repeating frames merely display the text in the first
          one?  Anyway, I tried this solution with frustrating results
          to say the least.

          I have reason to believe that this textfile, in any frame
          the size of these columns, will be too complex to format.
          Because I'm following specs, adjustment of the number or
          size of columns is unlikely.  I realize that I may have to
          use "line snap" to draw two frames per column, and copy them
          manually through as many manually inserted pages as it
          takes.  As this is an 8 page catalog, it's acceptable for
          the present; but there are similar 80 page catalogs to do in
          the near future, and I could use some assistance.

          Is there a genuine solution to this problem that will
          preserve the automated generation of pages?  If so, please
          respond by leaving a message for me on this board.  Much
          obliged.


          Tom Atwood

cc: Gene Rodrigues




Date: 12-16-88 (23:51)               Number: 125
  To: TOM ATWOOD                     Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: FRAME TOO COMPLEX MESSAGE      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Tom,
   In the July/August 1987 edition of Ventura Publishes, Lee Jay Lorenzo
from Ventura Software and Ted Nace jointly contributed articles on Memor
management for underlying pages and frames. Ted identified the purpose
and use of the fields appearing on the Diagnostic Box and Lee gave a
typical example of a user who was experiencing a problem similar to
yours. Try to get a copy from another VPUG member or call Christina at
VPUG to check about getting that issue.
   Many of the old 1987 files will eventually go on line here on the
Forum as soon as a larger system is installed.
   Here are some notes from that article:

1)  An unlimited number of frames can be placed on a single underlying
    page.

2)  If a file containing many formatted paragraphs consisting of small
    type exists, and you cannot print the entire chapter, do this:

     a) The number of line elements is determined by the amount of para-
        graphs, tabs and newline characters in use. Some of these char-
        acters use more line elements that others.

     b) Try using Newline characters (Ctrl-Enter) instead of paragraphs
        to mark your tags. Many former paragraphs can be interconnected
        this way at a significant savings in line elements.

      c) Break the existing text file into multiple text files and load
         them separately into frames within the same chapter. You can
         make text flow from one underlying page or frame to another by
         selecting the second (or third...n) frame in Frame mode, then
         select the same file from the File Listing on the left side of
         the screen.

      d) The message you are seeing can appear for a number of memory
         associated problems. The use of the /A= switch, a reduction in
         the number of screen fonts you have loaded into memory (if you
         have more than normal) and a change to a different monitor may
         allow you to print the chapter. These factors all influence the
         amount of External Memory listed in the Diagnostics Box and thi
         is typically the culprit which causes the message to appear (no
         in all cases). Switching from a color to a monochrome monitor
         makes additional memory available for Ventura. Color and some
         high resolution monitors use a lot of memory, reducing the amou
         of External Memory available for loading complex chapters files


Leave me a message if these guidelines don't help. I may be able to find
a text file or the original chapter files for the two articles I
mentioned.




Date: 12-16-88 (23:53)               Number: 126
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DEIRDRE' STRAUGHAN               Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VP 2.0 SAVES...ODDLY           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I've been working with 2.0 for two days now, and am already annoyed. My
file management system consists of separate directories and
subdirectories for my WP files and anything-else-that-goes-with-the
chapter (.CHP, .CIF and .VGR and .CAP files go into \typeset or its
subdirectories. So, when creating a chapter in 2.0, as usual I pull a
text file from somewhere under \WP, and a stylesheet from \Typeset\style
But when I save, instead of saving the text back where it came from, 2.0
is creating a new text file, with a .TXT extension, and saving it along
with the chapter etc. in my \typeset directory. Is this a bug, or do I
have to rethink my file management system? I hate to change a groove
that's working for me, and it seems 2.0 will force me to. Any ideas?

cc: Gene Rodrigues




Date: 12-16-88 (23:55)               Number: 127
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RICHARD ERNEST                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD SALE       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am selling the latest version of the LaserMaster C.A.P. card with LM-3
Fonts.  These fonts are postscript compatible.  In addition I am selling
to more type faces with the LaserMaster.  The price is $1,000.00 for
everything.  If you are interested send a message to Richard Ernest or
you can reach me by calling [phone] during the day; or at night
my number is [phone]..  This upgraded version lists for $2,495.0
If you would like to see a demo of this you can come to my house as it i
set up.  Thanks.  Richard Ernest.



Date: 12-16-88 (23:57)               Number: 128
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF MEMTEST2.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I recently had problem with one of our PCs which has 5meg of extended (A
style) memory. We were getting memory error and had a hard time finding
the bad chip. I found this program, MEMTEST2, to be very useful for this
kind of problem. It will test all types of memory
(regular/extended/expanded) and with the proper option it can tell you
which chip might be bad. I hope you find this utility useful.



Date: 12-16-88 (23:59)               Number: 129
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: SHAWN INGRAM                     Read: YES
Subj: COLUMBUS VPUG CHAPTER          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
      I can't remember if I left you the information on me so that you
could send me the info on starting a Columbus Ohio Chapter of VPUG..
Following is my address and bbs information:

                  Information Exchange
                  P.O. Box 32497
                  Columbus, OH 43232-0497

                  Information Exchange Online Information System
                  [phone]
                  1200/2400/9600 bps    8-N-1
                  24 Hours, 7 Days a Week
                  160 Meg Online
                  National Fidonet DTP Conference
                  Soft Font File Area
                  Ventura/Pagemaker Utility File Area
                  Clip Art File Area
                  Laser Utilities File Area

     Also, are you still interested in swapping disks??  And finally, yo
mentioned starting a National Fidonet Ventura Echomail Conference...
What is the status of that, I am very interested...

See ya...
Shawn....



Date: 12-17-88 (00:03)               Number: 130
  To: SHAWN INGRAM                   Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: COLUMBUS VPUG CHAPTER          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Shawn,
     I installed a QBBS front-end and BinkleyTerm to WildCat! and have i
running as a live program on my new system. I'm still waiting for a Node
Number. They're a bit slow out here processing the numbers. Leave me you
FidoNet address. I'm trying to find enough interested Sysops who are
willing to carry the Echo. I have 9 so far and will be polling other
boards once the number comes through.
     Sure I'm still interested in swapping files. As I remember, you
spoke about trading files from Kelly Drown's old board. Say the word and
I'll ship a set of disks to your P.O. Box.

  Thanks...Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (00:04)               Number: 131
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: SHAWN INGRAM                     Read: NO
Subj: COLUMBUS VPUG CHAPTER          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
     Ship away...  I am running short on disks so if you could ship your
to me, I will in turn backup mine onto your disks and ship them back..

     As for the Ventura Conference and my node number, I would be very
much interested...  My node number is 1:226/100...  Just last Saturday,
myself and the Net Coordinator of Net 226 was talking about going ahead
and starting the Ventura Conference Locally and then tying in with yours
as soon as you get it started...  If you would like, we can help moderat
or if you are hard pressed for time, we would be more than happy to
moderating it ourselves...  His node number is 1:226/10 and his name is
Tom Martin...  If I start the VPUG chapter here in Columbus he will be
helping me with the setup...  He has also recognized the need for DTP
support in the Columbus area....

Thanks...
See ya...
Shawn....



Date: 12-17-88 (00:08)               Number: 132
  To: TOM ATWOOD                     Refer#: 126
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: FRAME TOO COMPLEX MESSAGE      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

This is an after though on my previous response. By connecting a hercule
compatible or cga monitor to your system, at least temporarily, you may
be able to change memory status enough to correct the problem for
printing.

 A CGA monitor uses the least amount of system memory. By installing
one, you can free up additional memory for Ventura and the chapter may
load sucessfully. Give me call at VPUG (408-227-4818) if you need some
more help. I'll walk through the process over the phone. If I'm not in,
leave a message with Christina. She always knows where I am and I will
return your call.

...Gene


Date: 12-17-88 (00:12)               Number: 133
  To: DEIRDRE' STRAUGHAN             Refer#: 128
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0 SAVES...ODDLY           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Deirdre'
       I don't have a copy of Word Perfect here so I can't simulate the
problem. It should not do that though. We routinely use VP 2.0 now and
quite a few WordPerfect files are used when printing the magazine. I've
copied this message to John Grant and John Meyer from Ventura Software.
They may have some answers. I'll check out the problem myself as soon as
I can.

cc: John Grant
    John Meyer





Date: 12-17-88 (00:17)               Number: 134
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: VERSION 2.0 UPGRADE            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Well, I was waiting to reply to Moody's message till I got my
upgrade notice from Xerox - Dallas. It arrived today and was
postmarked the 19th of October. There was a letter and upgrade
form, no copy of the Newsletter. Only the letter, not the form,
mention sending in Original Ventura Disk #1, so I can bet that is
going cause some people to foul up. Gonna get mine in the mail tonight,
so it will arrive in Dallas early Monday morning. Gonna absolutely KILL
me to send back DISK 1. As matter of principle, I have absolutely refuse
to do that in the past. I am sort of a "completist(sp?)". I derive great
pleasure from many complete packages of software including older version
As discussed, you should see my stack of various versions of Wordstar.
Normally, I will buy another copy before I will send a disk in.

I thought that is what registering did for you. I mean avoid having to
return the disk.

But, even though I have one of the famous "coupons," I cannot afford the
$395. so I guess Disk #1 is gonna bite the dust. I bet I shed a tear whe
I mail it.

Also proof of purchase for the free upgrade is really tacky, too. If I
hadn't failed to receive my credit card bill with the current Ventura
copy on it, I would have trashed the receipt. If I kept every software
receipt, I would be neck high in paper.

Really seems like Xerox went out of their way to make this upgrade
as painful and burdensome as possible. They seem to be acting like Lotus
Of course, Lotus requires return of Disk #1. Suppose that is where Xerox
learned it.

Oh, well, enough spouting off. I love Ventura and wish only the best for
the product. That why some of this stuff, which  I feel really hurts
Ventura's image and user morale (like tardy upgrade notice), gets
under my skin so much. I withdraw my previous comment about the Ventura
connection being in Ventura's best interest. I just hope they don't kill
it with stuff like the above over the years. Just like I feel Lotus may
be mortally wounded by the Ver. 3 fiasco, even if she doesn't die for
years.
Chris



Date: 12-17-88 (00:19)               Number: 135
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN HUENERS                  Read: YES
Subj: VERSION 2.0 UPGRADE            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Allow me to add my electronic voice to all who feel offended by the way
Xerox is handleing the upgrade. To have a peice of software available fo
retail but not to current users is so ludicrous and cynical it's
boggling. There simply can not be a positive way to look at this.

The people at Xerox telemarketing need to get thier act together as well
On  several seperate occasions I've been given diametrilly opposing
versions of how update request are being handled - one person will ginve
the specific instructions on how to proceed (mail in disk #1; written
request; proof of purchase, etc.) and adds that the upgrade is currently
shipping. Another  person says that no, the update requests will not be
processed until early Nov. and no upgrades are currently shipping.

Is it asking too much, as a subscriber of Xerox's support package, to
expect to be notified and updated simoltaniously as retail users?

I love the program and enjoy speaking well of it to others. I believe my
"word of mouth" support has resulted in the sales of at least 4 copies o
the software. Not a huge deal, and I don't expect any sort of
compensation. But now to be treated this way....do you think my
enthusiasm for the product has been dampened?!!!

Further, this sort of treatment for the installed base appears to be the
norm rather than the exception! Case in point is the handling of both
patches, #2 of which causes more problems than it solves. Is Xerox doing
anything other than shootng itself in the foot, or are they taking a pag
form IBM's book and simply not concerning themselves with the best inter
of the installed base?




Date: 12-17-88 (01:24)               Number: 136
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JIM ALEXANDER                    Read: NO
Subj: LOOKS GREAT...                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene,
Thought I would stop in and see how the FORUM looks.  Seems to be very
popular and looks great.  I will gladly send you some Quik-Art to place
here for Free Public Access.  Just let me know houw much space you can
spare and I will put together a selection.  I am sure you are going to
Comdex so I will make sure I look you up.  The number to our BBS is
404-353-1694..... give it a call and I will set you up for access.  I
keep quite a large number of hi-res color images on there.

Later, Jim Alexander....PC Quik-Art, Inc.



Date: 12-17-88 (01:26)               Number: 137
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT THOMAS                    Read: NO
Subj: DALLAS NPE BOARD               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene
 Spoke with Ed about a Dallas board that wants to join the NPE.He
says that you have one in mind. Could you leave a message with the name
and number so that I can forward it on. Thanks.....



Date: 12-17-88 (01:29)               Number: 138
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE SANDERS                    Read: NO
Subj: NOVEMBER WYSIWYG MAGAZINE      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene:  Got a UPS package Friday with the Ventura Publishes...
magazines.  Thanks - they look great!  I just about have the
November issue done, will be a copy in the mail along with a
disk for your BBS soon.    Cheers for now...



Date: 12-17-88 (01:31)               Number: 139
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF DESIGNER1.ARC        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

DESIGNR1.ARC contains a headline font (GREEN) Greenbay originally for th
Imagewrite. I used First Pub to create a Mac file, converted it to .MSP
using Keith Graham''s OPTIKS, and then used Designer's tracing features
to create the headline font. It (hopefully) can be used to create a font
saved in Window's Metafile format for use in Ventura. Have had problems
using the patched 1.1 Ventura for converting .WMF files. Perhaps this
will be corrected in 2.0

The other three .DRW files are tracings done from bit-mapped clipart.
I am not an artist, but Designer lets me "pretend" to be one.



Date: 12-17-88 (01:33)               Number: 140
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JIM ALEXANDER                    Read: YES
Subj: COMDEX SHOW                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks Gene,
Let me know the location and room number and time when you find out.  Le
me know if there is any particular category of clip-art you would like t
have on the FORUM so I can put it together.

Thanks, Jim Alexander



Date: 12-17-88 (01:34)               Number: 141
  To: STEPHEN HUENERS                Refer#: 137
From: JIM ALEXANDER                    Read: NO
Subj: VERSION 2.0 UPGRADE            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I would like to add my comments to the horrible way in which Xerox is
handling the upgrade process.  My company is the oldest third party
developer for Xerox Ventura Publisher.  We produced the first Clip-Art
packages for Ventura Publisher and still maintain thae largest library o
electronic Clip-Art in the computer industry.  We also produce The
Graphics Link and The Graphics Link Plus which were the first conversion
programs for converting graphics file formats so that VP users could hav
access to all the varied file formats in the industry.  We even went so
far as to purchase a REAL copy of VP ver 1.0 in the beginning and not be
so crass as to ask for a "developers copy" or "evaluation copy" as most
people working on software do.  AND HOW ARE WE REWARDED FOR ALL OF OUR
SUPPORT AND WORK.  A LOCAL COMPUTER STORE IN ATLANTA HAS VP2.0 IN
STOCK AND FOR SALE BEFORE I EVEN GET A NOTICE FOR THE UPGRADE.  WHEN I
CALL VP SUPPORT GUESS WHAT I GET, SOME HALF-WIT WITH THE SAME OLD
EXCUSE,,, "I DON'T KNOW", "I CAN'T DO ANYTHING", "YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT 2
TO THREE WEEKS FOR THE UPGRADE NOTICE AND THEN WAIT 4 TO 6 WEEKS FOR THE
UPGRADE TO ARRIVE".... WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST SAY,  "WE ARE ONLY HERE TO
STALL YOU BY WASTING YOUR TIME UNTIL XEROX DOES WHAT THEY WANT TO ANYWAY
AND WE DON'T CARE IF YOU WERE THE FIRST COMPANY TO SUPPORT VENTURA
PUBLISHER AND ARE STILL PRODUCING SOFTWARE FOR SUPPORT OF VENTURA
PUBLISHER, WE DON'T NEED YOUR SUPPORT BECAUSE WE PRODUCE THE MOST
COMPLETE PUBLISHING PACKAGE IN THE INDUSTRY AND IF WE DON'T HAVE IT IN
OUR PACKAGE THE OUR CUSTOMERS DON'T NEED IT!!!  NOW I HAVE TO GO TO
COMDEX AND DISPLAY MY LATEST SOFTWARE AND ONLY HOPE THAT THINGS ARE STIL
COMPATIBLE WITH VP2.0 OR GO OUT AND INVEST MORE MONEY IN XEROX AND
PURCHASE ANOTHER PACKAGE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT XEROX HOPES EVERYONE IN
MY POSITION WILL DO ANYWAY.........
COMPLETELY DISGUSTED,,,
JIM ALEXANDER
PRESIDENT
PC QUIK-ART, INC.

cc: John Meyer





Date: 12-17-88 (01:37)               Number: 142
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: SHAWN INGRAM                     Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA ECHOMAIL CONF.         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
     There is no rush on the disks..  I may have to wait until I get a
Perstor Controller to put them online...  When I started out, I never
dreamed that 160 Meg would run out keeping my personal software and the
board software online, but it seems that you can never have enough
space!!  The Perstor should give me about 300 meg total to play around
with...
     As for the VENTURA conference, Tom and I have already started one
locally and have plans to combine with yours as soon as it is
established..  As for NPE support, do you think we should start it as an
NPE echo help with all of the software with emphasis on Ventura??  I
think that possibly the largest problem with NPE's scheptacism may be
that most of the NPE boards that I have seen are not directly echomail
compatible and therefore could be part of the problem...  I would howeve
like to see a DTP area to be echoed only between the NPE boards..  That
would enhance the communication that Ed has already established with his
newsletter...
     As for switching software, have you ever thought about going 100%
QuickBBS??  That is what I am running here in Columbus and with the help
of a program called DMA (Door Master Advanced) I am setting up PC Board'
ProDoor utility as a door off of Quick..  If you are interested in
setting up QBBS, let me know...  Between myself and Tom Martin, we have
tons of QuickBBS utils...

Shawn...



Date: 12-17-88 (01:39)               Number: 143
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ALBERT VANN                      Read: NO
Subj: DRIVE4.ARC PROBLEM             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

When I was on the system yesterday I down loaded drive4.arc. When I unar
this file, its indicates there is something wrong with it. Can someone
check to see if this can be fixed. Everything else I down loaded unarced
just fine. Thank you have a nice day. Let me know when and if it can be
fixed.  Al



Date: 12-17-88 (01:42)               Number: 144
  To: JIM ALEXANDER                  Refer#: 142
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: COMDEX SHOW                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I called over to VPUG to get the room numbers. We'll be staying at the
Alladin. We have a suite reserved, but can't get the room numbers until
Tuesday. I'll give your board a call then. Select what you want for the
clipart. The users will appreciate anything they get. I'll put a special
announcement in the bulletins regarding your clipart donation and you ca
upload press releases if you want. When the multi-node system goes up,
all press releases will be posted in the Newsletter accessible from the
Main menu.

Thanks again Jim....Hope to see you soon




Date: 12-17-88 (01:45)               Number: 145
  To: JEFF PERRY                     Refer#: 70
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: HELP! VENTURA & THE EGA        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Try some of the other EGA options. If your EGA board does not contain
much memory, you should choose the 640X350 2 color mode. Otherwise,
choose 640X350 16 color. It is unlikely that your EGA is incompatible
unless it is totaly junk.
..
You should try each option until you find one that works. This is not as
difficult as it sounds. Simply put disk #1 from your Ventura Publisher
distribution disks into the floppy drive, type VPPREP, and then after
specifying your hard disk drive, answer N to "Are you installing for the
first time?" Then specify your setup, select a different EGA option
(select the same printer and mouse as you did during the first
installation). The new installation will be finished in less than a
minute. Then type VP and see if the new installation works better.




Date: 12-17-88 (01:46)               Number: 146
  To: JIM ALEXANDER                  Refer#: 143
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: VERSION 2.0 UPGRADE            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am very upset by the response of the user community to Xerox's handlin
of the 2.0 upgrade. I have captured all correspondence on this bulletin
board and am sending it to Art Coles, the VP of the Desktop Software
group at Xerox in San Diego who is responsible for the marketing program
If you would like to address your conerns to him directly, his address i
9745 Business Park Avenue, San Diego, CA 92131.



Date: 12-17-88 (01:48)               Number: 147
  To: DAVID KATZ                     Refer#: 85
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

You're welcome to any files you need. If you require an inordinate
amount, call 408-227-5030 and leave a message for me with Christina, the
VPUG receptionist. We can arrange a disk swap.




Date: 12-17-88 (01:50)               Number: 148
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: KERN KUIPERS                     Read: NO
Subj: THE STORY...                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello,

      Story is that I am a member of VPUG.  I got your number from
"Ventura Publishes" and was wondering how I get member status on your BB

Thanks for your time. . . Great board!

                                        - Kern -



Date: 12-17-88 (01:57)               Number: 150
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: PS FONTS                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

On 'Set Printer Info...', I have my 'Screen Fonts' set to EGA. I also am
using a PS printer. Does this mean that I already have the screen fonts
for the fonts the PS printer has?  If I download the screen font from
this board do I change the extention to EGA?  Would someone please give
me some explaination as what these extentions all means. Thanks in
advance.
                                          Morad Rahmani




Date: 12-17-88 (02:02)               Number: 152
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: DEIRDRE' STRAUGHAN               Read: YES
Subj: UPLOAD OF BUEA.ART             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I've uploaded an article for submission to Ventura Professional! Though
you might like a view of how Ventura can be used out there in the wide
world.
I will be out of the country (again) Nov. 10th to Dec. 26th, so contact
me before I leave if you have questions or comments.
Thanks,
Deirdre'



Date: 12-17-88 (02:03)               Number: 153
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 135
From: DEIRDRE' STRAUGHAN               Read: NO
Subj: VP 2.0 SAVES...ODDLY           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ventura Bug (maybe):I long ago created two directories, WP and TYPESET,
to hold text

and chapters respectively. I divided each one into identically*named
subdirectories to hold files in specific categories: ADMIN,
MKTG, PROPOSALS, etc. There is also a STYLE subdirectory under
TYPESET to hold style sheets. With VP 1.1 there was never a
problem; everything saved back to where it came from, under its
original name. When I hit SAVE instead of SAVE AS on a chapter
which hadn't yet been saved, I was prompted to enter a filename,
and was thus kept out of trouble. But now... This has happened a
couple of times, and I think I've finally got the sequence of
events straight:I loaded a text file called TEAMPRC from C:\WP\MKTG. I
SAVEd AS
the chapter under the name PRICELST to C:\TYPESET\MKTG. I think
everything went back where it came from.Still working on the chapter, I
decided to remove some tags from
the style sheet, and was prompted to SAVE or SAVE AS. I SAVEd,
and I think (but am not sure) that that was when things went
wrong. At any rate, when I exited to WP to make some global
changes to the text, the TEAMPRC text file was not showing any
Ventura codes or the changes I'd made. Sure enough, the revised
text had been saved to C:\TYPESET\MKTG, along with the .CHP file,
as PRICELST.TXT.I am pretty sure this is related somehow with the Update
Tag List
option, since I first had the problem in similar circumstances,
complained about it in this forum, then was embarrassed to find
it hadn't happened again. Now the bug is back. Any ideas?P.S. I wish 2.0
had included a better driver for the Wyse 700.
It's a nice, middle)of)the)line option for those who are driven
buggy by EGA but can't afford a $2,700 monitor. However, most
people have a hard time reading the sidebar assignment list and
sometimes the menus. The screen does look a little different in
2.0, but it's a change for the worse )) a smaller percentage of
the page fits vertically at Normal View. The menus and sidebar
seem to be the same size. They could easily be larger, since in
Normal View there is a lot of room left in the working area. Any
hope?

(Gene - wasn't sure whom to send this to. You're the default option.)
D.



Date: 12-17-88 (02:04)               Number: 154
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF VP_PRFM.ARC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

This file contains information on how to improve performance with Ventur
Publisher version 2.0 and also how to configure your system to best use
the memory that you have.



Date: 12-17-88 (02:08)               Number: 155
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: SHAWN INGRAM                     Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA ECHOMAIL CONF.         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
     At this point and time, QuickBBS will not support multiple lines..
However, in version 3.0 which is due to be released at an ungiven date i
the very near future there will be support for up to 99 nodes and a lot
of the features that are in Wildcat! and some of the other non-fidonet
software are supposed to be added...  As for a current solution, the onl
thing that I can think of is PC-Board and that is what PC-Board has had
going good for it the last year or so...  With the multi-node chat, etc.
 Once QBBS comes out with multi-node, I am hoping to add my other line..
     Did you get a chance to pop the VPUG info in the mail for me??  I a
looking forward and very anxious to dig into it and see what I can do fo
a Columbus Chapter...

Thanks for your help
Shawn...



Date: 12-17-88 (02:11)               Number: 156
  To: BOB MOODY                      Refer#: NONE
From: DANIEL WILL-HARRIS               Read: YES
Subj: HELLO...                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi,

I just thought I'd try your board since Ted Nace was raving about it. Of
course, Ted Nace is been known to simply be Ravig, but it looks good, if
I don't run up too much of a phone bill.

I'll get my article to you by the end of the week.

-=Daniel=-




Date: 12-17-88 (02:13)               Number: 157
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: LOYCE REDLING                    Read: NO
Subj: CPT 9000 SYSTEM                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

THIS IS LOYCE REDLING WITH COMPUFORMS IN SANTA CLARA.  I AM INTERESTED I
TALKING WITH ANY VPUG MEMBERS WHO MAY BE USING CPT 9000 DESKTOP
PUBLISHING SYSTEM WITH VENTURA PUBLISHER.  DAY PHONE IS 408-224-7606.
EVENING & WEEKENDS CALL 408 988-3027
THIS IS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE USING THIS BBS.  HOW DO I KEEP THE SCREEN
FROM SCROLLING SO FAST WHEN YOU SEND DATA TO THE SCREEEN???
G
THATS IT



Date: 12-17-88 (02:14)               Number: 158
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEW VENTURA SOFTWARE FILE      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John Meyer from Ventura Software uploaded to new files for Version 2.0
users. These are:

   VPCOMPAT.ARC     Ventura Software's Compatability Listing for Version
                    2.0. Includes all known 3rd party software and
                    products known to work with Ventura Publisher Versio
                    2.0 and the Professional Extension.

   VP_PRFM.ARC      Detailed guide about memory optimization for Version
                    2.0 users. Explains how to maximize the use of
                    Expanded memory and valuable information about start
                    switches.

These files in combination with John's earlier upload "VP20.ARC" provide
a good beginning library for Ventura Publisher users who have yet to
install Version 2.0.

...Gene



Date: 12-17-88 (02:17)               Number: 159
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: MISSING PAGE NUMBER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

In general, if you have EMS memory, don't use the /A switch. In addtion,
according to Don and John Grant, the /A switch may cause problems with
all but the PostScript printers.

If you don't have EMS memory and are running the Professional Extension,
you will probably need to use the /A switch. My personal experience is
that if you keep it to less than /A=16, you won't have problems with the
printer drivers. /A=20 or greater will cause the TIFF converter and
several other of the LOD converters to malfunction (you will get an erro
message on the screen warning you of this fact). The performance and
memory enhancements memo that I uploaded will give you more info . . .
..
As for the Moniterm driver, I don't have access to it, but I can tell yo
that the Wyse, Sigma, VGA, EGA, and MDS Genius drivers that we use at th
office all work without a hitch.



Date: 12-17-88 (02:21)               Number: 160
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Things to check for if you get nasty messages after printing:
..
1.  Have you altered the VP.BAT or VPPROF.BAT file? You should NOT use
the /A switch with any printer except PostScript (i.e., don't use it wit
the LaserJet).
2.  Do you have at least 2 megabytes of free space on your hard disk?
This is not required unless you DON'T have EMS and unless you have a
large document. However, if you try to create large documents with the
base VP (non-Professional) and don't have at least 2 megabytes available
memory could be corrupted under extreme conditions (fairly unlikely, but
possible).
3.  While Ventura Publisher 2.0 can now be run from Digital Research's
GEM Desktop, you must have DRI GEM version 3.1 or above. Since I'm not
entirely sure about their numbering system, don't quote me on that
version level. To make sure, don't run Ventura Publisher from the GEM
Desktop until you have run it from the DOS prompt without having run GEM
first. This way you can verify that Ventura Publisher works on its own.



Date: 12-17-88 (02:39)               Number: 161
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: 88
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: POSTSCRIPT SPECIAL EFFECT      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thank you for the reply. The "other" John at your shop had already
replied to that message and I have already renamed pr2.eff and tried
it as the postscript prolog. The outline color is magenta and cyan and
yellow rotate text 90% clockwise and counterclockwise. I had asked
JG is perhaps there were other similar nondocumented "goodies" that
he could pass along before the VPUG Houston meeting on 24 th.

I am going to participate in the demo substituting for a friend of mine
at Xerox , who was called out of town. Derrick Booth and I installed
the Beta Professional Edition on the domo computer and checked out the
projector this evening as a matter of fact.
Since I have your attention , it is obvious that I have been outspoken
on the upgrade situation for current users and I was hoping to get your
response to that.

 In addition, I convinced a friend of mine to buy Version 2 last Friday
and it took him all weekend to install it properly. It kept "locking
up" after he printed and saying it could not find GEMVDI.

He was installing on Drive d:. He did have GEM on his system, but it was
on Drive c: Also he had manually created a tree directory for Ventura
that included various child subdirectories below the Ventura and perhaps
Typeset subdirectories. In other word, he created these subdirectories
before Ventura created its own subdirectory. He was able to install
postscript all right, but when he added HPúáôï¿╡┘6≡¡²laserjet as a
second printer, it just wouldn't work.

I think he finally left it Postscript and manually copied the width and
font files. He already had many more fonts that the package incudes.
This guy is an extremely experienced hacker and he just kept at itnight
and day, but when it worked, we could not identify what had been causing
the problem.

We were reluctant to conclude that the child subdirectories were the
problem, but only when he erased them and let Ventura create its own
subdirecties did he succeed.
 Just looking for some confirmation so we can warn others in VPUG Housto
when they get their upgrades.

  I have talked your ear off enough. I won't slobber all over myself lik
I did with JG. I will just say it's an honor to be talking to you.
 Chris




Date: 12-17-88 (02:41)               Number: 162
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: DANIEL WILL-HARRIS               Read: YES
Subj: VP STAFF MAIL                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Here's the type tricks article. Please give me a call to tell me you hav
gotten it OK.

-=Daniel=-

cc: Bob Moody





Date: 12-17-88 (02:42)               Number: 163
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: NOVEMBER WYSIWYG               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The latest edition of Steve Sander's WYSIWYG Magazine (November 88) has
arrived. Users can downloaded the Ventura formatted files for WYSIWYG
from the Publications File Area. The file name is NOV88-PS.ARC.

Sysop



Date: 12-17-88 (02:44)               Number: 164
  To: MARSHALL NORRIS                Refer#: 106
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: PROTOCOLS                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Your communication software, the program you are using to run the modem
should offer a variety of protocols for communicating with bulletin
boards and other on-line services. IMODEM and XMODEM are just a few of
the protocols offered on this board. New users are advised to set their
user files to E for External and all below. This option allows you to
select a protocol before downloading and uploading files. Different
communication programs work better with specific protocols. Also if you
are using PC Pursuit, you may want to use the protocols they recommend.
The parameter you speak about are related to the ASCII protocol used to
send text files. Check the documentation for your comm program and learn
about the protocols supported.
    If you need help, call 408-227-5030 and leave a message with
Christina. She knows where I am all the time. I'll phone you back and
walk you through the process.

Reply from message #186.



Date: 12-17-88 (02:53)               Number: 167
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DON WILKES                       Read: NO
Subj: HPGL -- PATCH 2                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Many thanks for the commentary, Gene.  I've had some odd modem problems
in the past we, so haven't been able to sign on.  In the meantime, I
got Xerox (Canada) on the phone, and they were quite prompt in sending
me a copy of patch 2. I've installed it, and haven't hit anything odd so
far.  Naturally, I'm snowed under with projects, and still haven't had
a chance to test the HPGL problem!  Encapsulated PostScript has saved th
day, though.
   \Many thanks
    Don Wilkes in Victoria



Date: 12-17-88 (06:12)               Number: 168
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BILL ENGER                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: INTRO                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello, I' just logged on for the first time, from Seattle, WA. My
interest in Ventura stems from my role as Editor/Publisher of the Seattl
Area AutoCAD Users' Group for the last year.  We have a very active grou
of over 150 menbers, and the nicest newsletter around.  I'm curious to
find out more about VP as a fairly new user, but hope to come up with
some things of interst to upload here.
  Glad to find out about your existence!
Bill Enger




Date: 12-17-88 (06:13)               Number: 169
  To: BILL ENGER                     Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: INTRO                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bill,
    Thanks for calling in. You can upload anything you feel would be of
use to Ventura Publisher and AutoCAD users. Seems that we have a lot of
both. Do you know about NWVPUG's board in Seattle. Chad Canty and Mike
Arst at Micro Publishing in Seattle host a conference for Ventura
Publisher and Pagemaker users. The conference seems pretty active with
over 5000 messages on the system. We will be exchanging files from time
to time and I'm hoping to send Chad our Ventura Publisher Echo when we
get it running next month. NWVPUG's data number is [phone]. The
board runs 24 hours/7 days a week.

Best regards...Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (06:18)               Number: 171
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: VPUGH BOARD                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Its my fault you haven't heard from Carroll Hanks. I forgot to
post him a message since he was out of town. Left him one today
and asked him to reply to you. Carroll really stays busy, even
on weekends.
The VPECHO sounds neat. Be nice to have it in Houston.
Well, my VEr. 2 upgrade has not shown up. The UPS guy drove in my
area of the common apart. driveway and I amost mugged him. He was
coming to see someone else unfortunately. Since I got it in Dallas
monday morning, was hoping for super fast response. May be disappointed
like usual.
A local Xerox saleman told me that Ver. 2 Professional Ext. was released
on 17th, which I took to mean Oct. 17. Is that true?
Chris




Date: 12-17-88 (06:20)               Number: 172
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GREG STEFFEN                     Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm just wondering why I'm restricted to 60 min. of online time since I'
a subscriber to venturaVProfessional? Even though I
haven't gotten the new magazine yet I have been a subscriber for almost
years now. The first time I came on-line I was on for 120 minutes.
Also, when will the PACKET1.ARC AND PACKET2.ARC files be available for
downloading?




Date: 12-17-88 (06:22)               Number: 173
  To: GREG STEFFEN                   Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

You have 120 minutes per day in 60 minute increments. When additional
lines are installed on the system, you will have 120 minutes of
continuous time. Currently, the additional lines are installed at the BB
location, the rotary dialer is installed and the Novell Network software
is installed on the multi-tasking system. When the 1.20 beta for the
Wildcat! BBS software is in a state where problems occur infrequently, i
will be placed on line. At that time, subscribers will be divided into
groups for access to private nodes which will allow easier and faster
access.

PACKET1 and PACKET2 will only be placed on line when they are ready and
when all software is installed on the system. In the past four weeks, 37
programs were installed on the system and 4 have been documented. All 37
require documentation for use and the volunteer services promised to do
the documentation has not materialized. I spend 10-12 hours a day workin
a normal job, four hours maintaining the BBS and the balance of the time
trying to get the multi-tasking system up and running. Not much time for
sleep.

Call 408-227-5030 to complain and Good Luck...Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (06:23)               Number: 174
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JENIFER NECH                     Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VP 2.0 SCREEN CAPTURE          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I need a screen capture program that will work with VP 2.0 and the
Professional Extension.




Date: 12-17-88 (06:24)               Number: 175
  To: JENIFER NECH                   Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VP 2.0 SCREEN CAPTURE          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Jenifer,
       In the way of commercial programs, HotShot Graphics, Hotshot Grab
and Inset Systems' HiJaak all work with Version 2.0. You might try
downloading one of the following files from the GRAPHICS file area on
this board:

                GCAP12.ARC
                GEMCAP.ARC
                GEMCAP2.ARC

The first file on the list is a Windows/GEM screen grabber which did wor
with version 1.1. I have not tested it with version 2.0 yet. You may wan
to do so and post a message later if it works. The second and third file
are different versions of the same GEM Screen Capture program. GEMCAP2 i
the latest release and it still should capture screens with no problems.
If you find another screen capture program that works, post a message to
let other users know about it.

Thanks...Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (06:27)               Number: 176
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: FONT FILE EXTENSIONS           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Several users have asked for definitions of the file extensions assigned
to printer and screen fonts, and the system Ventura Publisher users to
associate a given printer font with a matching screen font. The followin
is a breif description.

In version 1.0 and 1.01 (not many of these around), non-PostScript
printer fonts were assigned a filename using a very specific syntax. For
instance, the file CENT08NP.SFP, is Century SchoolBook, 8 point, Normal
(Roman), Portrait orientation. The first four letters of the filename
specified the font family and the balance of the character positions
identified the type size, type style (N = Normal, I = Italic, B = Bold
and T = Bold Italic), and the final letter defined the page orientation
(P=Portrait and L=Landscape). Although it worked, this system had many
limitations and made it almost impossible for font vendors to assign
unique four letter combinations to identify their fonts.

       Note: We'll discuss PostScript last since the naming conventions
             are considerably different.

Quite a few font developers and users complained about this system and
Ventura Software developed a Font Specification for font developers to
follow. All this occurred between the time period that version 1.0 and
1.1 were released (about 7 months). Ventura Software developed a system
based on Font Identification Codes. Using this system, each font was
assigned a 1 - 3 number code. For instance, the Swiss Font supplied with
Ventura is number 2 and the Dutch Font is number 14. The numbers were
assigned for several reasons. First, they offered a convenient means for
identifying various type families from one another quickly and second,
they offered a system for creating matching screen fonts for printer
fonts. Based on this system, the printer and screen fonts are assigned
matching numbers. Ventura reads a line of information called the font
header to determine the type number, font size, weight and orientation.
This system worked quite well and most users found few problems using th
system when it was announced with version 1.1. Ventura Software also
forced font developers into using the system by creating what is known a
the Compatability Listing. Only font vendors which market fonts
compatible with the specification as mentioned in the listing.

Using the Font Specification, font developers could assign any name they
wanted to fonts. Rather than using the font filename to distiguish
various fonts from one another, Ventura read the Header, determined the
font number, and listed the font name in the font dialog box. To make
matching screen fonts, vendors produced a screen font in the desired
resolution (for instance 75x75 pixels for a Wyse monitor and 91x72 pixel
for a EGA monitor) and assigned it the same file name as the printer
font. Different file extensions were assigned to the printer and screen
fonts to determine their purpose. The following is a list of printer and
screen font extensions used for various printers and screen fonts:

    Extension:       Meaning:
    ---------        --------------------------------------------------
    .CGA             Color Graphics Adapter
    .EGA             Enhanced Graphics Adapter
    .VGA             Virtual Graphics Adapter
    .PSF             Adobe Screen Fonts (75 x 75 pixels)

    .B30             Black Write Laser Printer Fonts
                     (HP LaserJet and most Canon Laser Engines)
    .W30             White Write Laser Printer Fonts
                     (Ricoh 4080/4081 and Xerox 4045 laser engines)
    .SFP             HP LaserJet Softfonts and compatibles, Portrait onl
    .SFL             HP LaserJet Softfonts and compatibles, Landscape on
    .PFA             Adobe Downloadable Fonts (ASCII)
    .PFB             Adobe Downloadable Fonts (Binary)

With the new font specification, other file extensions could be assigned
to identify the special high resolution screen fonts produced by some
monitor developers. For instance, Sigma Designs used the .100 file
extension for 1:1 pixel ratio fonts and Cornerstone used the designation
.TF1, .TF2 and .TF3 to designate the three types of fonts produced for
their monitor.

The system was not perfect, but it did work well for most applications.
When the system was initially created, a lot of 256 numbers were reserve
for assigning type family numbers. As Ventura Software eventually found
out, this number was inadequate for all the different typeface families
appearing on the market. For version 2.0, Ventura Software now assigns
blocks of numbers to vendors to expand the basic concept exploited in th
original font specification. For version 2.0, over 64,000 different
typeface numbers can be assigned. Vendors assign font numbers of their
own based on guidelines specified in Ventura Software documentation. Thi
documentation is of a highly technical nature and will not be placed on
the Forum. However, a full description of the system and the use of the
Ventura Font utilities will be provided in the upcoming Font Directory
which will be shipped to all subscribers of the magazine.

Now for PostScript printer and screen fonts. Adobe systems uses a system
of names for assigning font descriptions. The full font name for printer
and screen fonts is identical and they both must contain 8 characters.
When additional characters are needed to identify a fonts name, underlin
characters are used to file in spaces until exactly eight characters are
used. The names assigned for PostScript downloadble printer fonts and
Screen fonts must be identical to the descriptions identified in Appendi
K of the Ventura Reference Guide. Ventura Publisher contains an internal
table which matches the Adobe Font names to the Ventura Font
Specification's numbering system.

                    (Continued in next message)


Date: 12-17-88 (06:31)               Number: 177
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: FONT FILE EXT. CONTINUED       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The following is the extension of the previous message with the last
paragraph repeated for clarity.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

Now for PostScript printer and screen fonts. Adobe systems uses a system
of names for assigning font descriptions. The full font name for printer
and screen fonts is identical and they both must contain 8 characters.
When additional characters are needed to identify a fonts name, underlin
characters are used to file in spaces until exactly eight characters are
used. The names assigned for PostScript downloadble printer fonts and
Screen fonts must be identical to the descriptions identified in Appendi
K of the Ventura Reference Guide. Ventura Publisher contains an internal
table which matches the Adobe Font names to the Ventura Font
Specification's numbering system.

The Adobe printer fonts resident in the printer are assigned the same
names as the screen fonts available in the PostScript file area of the
Forum. The screen fonts bear the .PSF file extension and the printer
fonts stored in the \PSFONTS directory bear the .PFA or PFB file
extensions.

You really don't need to know anything about the font numbering system o
the names assigned to fonts unless you plan to create them on your own.
When purchasing fonts, be sure to ask for matching printer and screen
fonts. Font developers will then sell you the correct fonts for Ventura
Publisher. To determine if the printer and screen fonts match or not,
compare the filenames. They should be the same and the file extensions
should identify their purpose or intended use.

As soon as we get some time, a list of valid font description numbers
will be placed on the Forum to help users with identifying fonts. An
edited version of the Ventura Font Specification without all the
technical terminology will also be placed on the board and updated on a
periodic basis.

A few additional notes. Multiple sets of screen and printer fonts can
exist in the \VENTURA directory. The screen device driver specified in
the VP.BAT or VPPROF.BAT file determines which screen driver and set of
screen fonts are in use. For instance, if the screen driver is
SD_1NNL1.VGA, then VGA screen fonts will be used. It is possible to copy
the original VP.BAT or VPPROF.BAT file, edit it and change the screen
driver or file extension to setup Ventura for different screen drivers o
sets of screen fonts. For example, the code SD_1NNL1.EGA could be entere
to force a Viking I monitor to use EGA fonts instead of VGA fonts.
Similarly, the .PSF file extension could be assigned to start the Viking
Monitor with the PostScript screen fonts available on the Forum. Note
that the ability to change the screen drivers file extension works well
in version 2.0 and may not work correctly in version 1.1 depending on th
file extension name assigned. For example, you cannot change EGA to VGA
in Version 1.1. Ventura seemingly will not start. You can correct this
problem by deleting the VP.INF file in the \VENTURA directory. This file
contains the Preferences and information about file directories in use
that you created when using Ventura. If you erase VP.INF, you will need
to reset your preferences, but Ventura will startup using the screen
fonts you specify. Note the discussion in this paragraph deals with
changing the default screen fonts in use. You can still change screen
fonts by editing the SCREEN FONTS field in the Printer Info Dialog Box.

Unlike the screen drivers, the printer fonts in use are determined by th
width table selected for a given printer driver. Some printers use
several different font types. The width table created for each font type
determines which fonts will be used with the driver. Information about
the file extension assigned to the printer fonts is present in the width
table. By taking advantage of this system, you can use multiple types of
printers fonts and printer drivers within the Ventura directory.



Date: 12-17-88 (06:34)               Number: 178
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BILL LAMP'L                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: QUESTION?                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello from a new user.....mind if I plunge in with a question?
Often when I try to move or delete a single frame, half the page moves o
deletes along with it. What's happening, and how can I "detatch" the
single frame.

I'm interested in so that it can be moved/deleted?
Thank you.   (sorry for the long distance garbage).




Date: 12-17-88 (06:38)               Number: 179
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: PETER CONRAD                     Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
.
I am the Computer Manager of Harbin Springs Publishing.  We are
subscribers to Ventura Publishes and belong to VPUG.  We are in lake
county and can,t come to the meetings much so I thought I,d try to log o
here.  I see that we can get extra time.  The manager of DTP is Libby
(Hillman) Baltrusch and she is the VPUG member for our company. (Renewed
8/12/88).  Hope that info helps to verify us.  Nice board.
.
We are planning to replace our JLaser board soon, where can I find info
on Postscript boards for our AT and NCR (Old Canon engine) Laser?  Just
point me to the area of your BBS.
.
I read in Ventura Publishes about the forum and tried to DL PACKET1.ARC
PACKET2.ARC but got a message that they couldn't be found.  Is there a
manual on use of this BBS?
.
Enough questions for now --see you again.
.
.-Peter



Date: 12-17-88 (06:45)               Number: 180
  To: BILL ENGER                     Refer#: 170
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: NO
Subj: INTRO                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bill,
     Hello and Welcome! I too am new, signed on last week, and this is
my 5th call, I call from Clear Lake !A and let me tell you, I've learned
a lot just reading the messages. Happy VPing!


Date: 12-17-88 (06:50)               Number: 182
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: 136
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: YES
Subj: VERSION 2.0 UPGRADE            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I too have been anxiously awaiting UPS since Oct 18 when I learned that
my upgrade had been mailed on Oct 17 and I'm still waiting. A second cal
to Mrs Coffee confirmed it had been mailed on the 17th but sometimes it
can 10 business days for delivery (from Texas to Baltimore? Xerox must b
using the pony express). Talk about depression when UPS didn't appear on
Friday. Maybe Monday?




Date: 12-17-88 (06:59)               Number: 184
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ALAN NIVEN                       Read: NO
Subj: POSTBOARD'S NUMBER             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene your right the is an error in PostBoard's number. The number listed
is Arena Press's voice number. The real PostBoard number is 707-882-2390
thanks again for the listing.



Date: 12-17-88 (07:00)               Number: 185
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: BARBE BRADLEY                    Read: YES
Subj: THANKS                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, The board is great.   This must have taken hours of blood, sweat
and tears.
Keep up the good work and THANKS.
Barbe



Date: 12-17-88 (07:01)               Number: 186
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID GELLER                     Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Very impressive BBS. I hope to be a frequent user and upload
some of the software being developed at Electric Logic, Inc.
to assist Ventura publishers. We're a 2.0/Professional site
and will add comments and news to the board to assist other
members. I am also the chairman for the Capital PC User
Group (5,800 members) Desktop Publisher SIG (special interest
group) (250 members) in Washington, D.C. and will soon be
chairing a Ventura Forum on Compuserve. Looking forward to
continued contact with your group.--- David Geller.



Date: 12-17-88 (07:09)               Number: 189
  To: TED NACE                       Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: LASERMASTER CAPCARD            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry I didn't reply earlier, but you entire message consisted
of the letter"h" in lowercase. I recognized you name if you are the
fellow associated with Laserjet Unlimited and Ventura Tips and Traps.
I am proud to own both (actually 3 if you count two editions of LJ
Unlimited).
I am becomming a bit of a fan to the extent I look at any book that
has your name on it. And I have vitually stopped buying computer help
books as I have shelves full of them and little money.
If you wanted to chat, give me a holler again as we would say in
Texas.
Chris




Date: 12-17-88 (07:19)               Number: 194
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ROGER FIRTH                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: XYWRITE FILTER                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

When reading/writing a XyWrite file, there is an exact correspondence
between XyWrite's Bold and Underline attributes and VP's Bold and
Underline attributes.  What I'd like is for Bold to map exactly, but for
XyWrite Underline to map onto VP Italics, for both read and write.  DOes
anyone know if/how this can be done?  I'm running 1.2 (Version 2 still
isn't available in the UK.
Thanks for the help.



Date: 12-17-88 (07:23)               Number: 196
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MARK WORSNOP                     Read: NO
Subj: PROFESSIONAL MAGAZINE          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Finally got into this system. Have been trying off and on since
reading the number in the magazine. Looks great so far,
glad to hear this type of bbs is available... How do we get set up
for the 120 minute session. We do recei √ve the magazine. The magazine
is sent to my wife, Cheri Worsnop at our company Mark Systems Inc.
Please let me know what ewe need to do. Thanx. Look forward
to using this system.



Date: 12-17-88 (07:27)               Number: 198
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MIKE NESEL                       Read: NO
Subj: PAK10.EXE                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene - I downloaded PAK10.EXE today, expecting it to be as described
("Phil Katz's latest set of archiving utilities...").  After unpacking
the file, it seems to be from "NoGate Consulting" in Michigan.  Unless
Phil has moved and changed company names ( a possibility ), this is not
from Phil Katz.  Any way of verifying that this really IS a Phil Katz
product?




Date: 12-17-88 (07:29)               Number: 199
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE SANDERS                    Read: NO
Subj: ABOUT EARLIER WYSIWYG          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene:  I found a small problem with NOV88-PS.ARC, I forgot to change the
file spec for the two drop caps I used.  I'm send ing up NOV88FIX.ARC
which has four files NOV88.* that need to be updated into the
NOV88-PS.ARC file to fix my screw-up.  Thanks for the assist!
    <Steve>



Date: 12-17-88 (11:55)               Number: 202
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GARY WILKERSON                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: HP LASERJET II & VP            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm having a problem getting more than 1 inches of test to print out per
page on my HP LaserJet II.  All margins, etc. set to 0, page length set
11" and still no go.  I've printed the same files before and they worked
out fine. Any ideas?




Date: 12-17-88 (12:04)               Number: 205
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: VER. 2.0 UPDATE                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been rather vocal on this board regarding what I consider
the mishandling of the upgrade by Xerox in that the upgrade letters
were not mailed until about 3 weeks after the product hit the retail
store shelves in Houston.

Well, I mailed my upgrade package at my local post office within a day
after I received the notice. I waited two weeks  and then called Xerox
in Dallas to ascertain the status of my upgrade. Another called had been
successful in doing this as reported in an earlier message on this board

 I wanted to relay the essence of this phone call :

  1. I had called too early as it had not been six weeks since I mailed
     upgrade.

  2.It was not necessary to ascertain where I was on the upgrade list
    SINCE THERE WAS NO PRODUCT IN STOCK TO SHIP ANYWAY.

  3. No time table was stated to get the product in stock.

  4. I could , of course, call back if I had not received my upgrade
     in ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS.

  This was from the "upgrade inquiry group."
  It appears that Xerox went to some difficulty to stock these lines
  with the least helpful people on "team xerox".
  I cannot claim that the lady was not nice, just not in the least helpf
  or sympathetic.

 Fortunately, I was able to contact a friend at home who works for Xerox
 and he relayed that the packaging for the upgrade is different from the
 retail version, so it was not permissable for Xerox to use a retail
 package for an upgrade. I bet there are plenty of retail copies in stoc
 (Sorry, editorial comment, please disregard).

 So Xerox sent out the letters without adequate stock to honor them if
 anyone cared to return them. As I returned mine so quick after receipt,
 I doubt too many folks beat me on the list but since my initial in J
and they were likely sent out alphabetically, I suppose some people with
initials A-I could have beat me if they returned the letter as quick as
which I bet few did based on the users I have talked to.

      It seems to me that Xerox in making history here in terms of bad
management, not to mention P.R.
 Shame someone doesn't write one of those "How not to do it in business"
books about the Version 2 upgrade fiasco.

 Oh, I forgot the special upgrade packaging. I assume that means all 15
(or 16 as stated in Appendix A on the Version 2 Manual)disks crammed int
one of those little boxes with no docs. <grin - well almost - still too
mad>.

Who is gonna run a contest to find the missing Standard Edition Version
2 (excepting Fontware) disk 16?

I had a really upset guy at the last VPUG Houston meeting. He just bough
Version 2 and though Xerox had shorted him a disk. No kidding.
                                  Chris

cc: John Meyer
    Gene Rodrigues




Date: 12-17-88 (12:11)               Number: 208
  To: STEPHEN HUENERS                Refer#: 59
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: TIP: SET A BALLOT BOX          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Steve,
     These are several other ways to create ballot boxes. Besides the ne
box characters available with version 2.0, you can also create ballot
boxes in these ways:

A>.   A user recently pointed out to me that the size of the default tex
      for the @Z_BOX_TEXT tag determines the size of the box placed on
      the screen. This user adds ballot kinds (note that shee has severa
      kinds) by selecting the Boxt Text option and holing down the Shift
      key to make multiple copies. By clicking on the left mouse button
      desired location, a perfectly square box appears. You can change
      default point size to control the size of the box. All the box tex
      is assigned to a small frame in the right margin. She also makes
      ballot boxes which already have check marks in them automatically
      using a similar technique. This assumes that you have a set of
      Zapf Dingbat fonts which have the desired check marks (there on
      the board here someplace). She actually creates multiple tags for
      ballot boxes by selecting a box text paragraph and adding a new ta
      The ruling line around the box is turned off and the Paragraph Rul
      Around feature is used instead. This allows you to control the lin
      thickness and shading of the ballot box line. If you take one of
      these tags and assign the Bullet Special effects attributes to it,
      you can select a Zapf Dingbat checkmark to appear as the bullet.
      Asterisks and other characters could also be used.

B>.   You can also create ballot box paragraphs where you set the In fro
      left spacing for a paragraph to leave room for the ballot box on
      left side of the paragraph. The balot box itself can be created
      using the Custom option on the Paragraph Ruling Line Around option
      To do this, set the line thickess you desire in the second field o
      right side of the screen (assuming you have ever selected (Custom)
      The use the special custom indent and line (actually box) lenght
      fields on the right side of the screen to control the size and
      position of the ballot box. You need to set a minus indent to forc
      the box to the left side of the paragraph. For instance, if the
      paragraphs In From Left Spacing is set to 4 picas, set the ruling
      box to appear at -4 picas. The Line lenght field is used to contro
      the length of the box (set it to 1 pica for a 1 pica wide box. You
      control the height of the box by using the second to the last fiel
      in the dialog box for the third line spacing. Set this value to 1
      pica (acutally - 1 pica) and click on the - button to the right of
      field. When you click OK, the ballot box should appear in the
      correct location and size on your screen. You can adjust the
      dialog box controls further to increase or decrease the size of th
      box and the relative position of the box in relation to the para-
      graphs left margin.

C>.   You can also use the Ballot Box like shadowed characters in the
      Zapf Dingbat font set to insert a ballot box using the Bullet
      option.

There are probably a lot more ways of doing this. Possibly, other users
might have ideas...




Date: 12-17-88 (12:12)               Number: 209
  To: STEPHEN HUENERS                Refer#: 59
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: TIP: SET A BALLOT BOX          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Steven,
     We are going to put a hold on opening the conference areas until we
se what Mustang Software is going to do about shipping a multi-node
version of our BBS software. If they cannot meet our deadline, we are
going to switch software. We're running out of time and need to open mor
lines. They're dragging there feet and have not shipped as promised.

     We are considering other software now and I will give you a voice
call when we make a decision.

Thanks...Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (12:15)               Number: 210
  To: BILL LAMP'L                    Refer#: 180
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: QUESTION?                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Your mouse driver may be causing the problem. I use a lot of different
mice when beta testing software and have discovered similar problems.
When you clock on the frame or graphic to select it, the mouse sometimes
responds slowly and you move the object when the mouse is moved. Check
your mouse software guide for specifics. There are usually switches whic
may be used to increase or decrease the mouse's response time.

Newer MicroSoft mice and a few of the more recent older units running on
version 6.0 or later of MOUSE.SYS seem to have this problem. The problem
can also occur on a Logitech mouse if the incorrect mouse driver is used




Date: 12-17-88 (12:19)               Number: 211
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TOM NEUMANN                      Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF ARTMART.ARC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Original file description is error.  This file contains general line art
in clip art form for Ventura users.  Most of the art is humerous in
nature.



Date: 12-17-88 (12:22)               Number: 212
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 146
From: JIM ALEXANDER                    Read: NO
Subj: COMDEX SHOW                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the info.  We will be sure to check in and visit while in
town.  No we are opting for the Xerox booth this year for a change.  We
may have a nice Press Release this year if Xerox follows through on a
project we have been working on involving the new Xerox Presents softwar
package.  We are also signing Xerox's largest VAR on the west coast as o
exclusive publisher for the new product.  I will give you all the detail
at Comdex if the deal goes through.  You know I don't like to talk about
things unless they are really concrete.  I will bring some "clips" with
me to Comdex for you to post here for free distribution to your users.
The package will be too large to upload.
BTW what is your FAX number at VPUG?  Do you have one?  FYI ours is
(404)-769-8013....
Thanks, Jim Alexander



Date: 12-17-88 (12:23)               Number: 213
  To: BOB MOODY                      Refer#: NONE
From: DOUGLAS DETLING                  Read: YES
Subj: VERSION 2.0 WORKSHOP           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bob--Just a brief note to let you know I thought Saturday's workshop
on Version 2 (particularly installation tips) was most useful. It was
worth it to me just to save time installing VP 2.0/Professional Ext.
when I get it.  Just wish Xerox wouldn't be taking so long. I'll bet
my copy of Professional Extension (which I ordered Thursday) will
arrive before the upgrade from Texas. I've passed along notice of
December class to a few friends, who will probably be calling soon to
register.
--Doug

cc: Carroll Baker




Date: 12-17-88 (12:24)               Number: 214
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: FREEMAN BRADFORD                 Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: TOSHIBA 321 PRINTER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Does anyone out there have or know where I can get a Ventura driver for
Toshiba P321 24 pin dot matrix printer?

I user the dot matrix printer at home and it would make life easier were
I able to get proof printers from it rather than having to wait until I
run a printer on the laser printer at the office.

Thanks.

Brad.




Date: 12-17-88 (12:26)               Number: 215
  To: FREEMAN BRADFORD               Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: TOSHIBA 321 PRINTER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Freeman,
       Version 2.0 or at least the last beta had a P1350/P1351 driver in
it. The Toshiba 321 Escape Sequences are reasonably close so that driver
should run. You might want to give Xerox a call to see if the driver wil
work with version 1.1. It should.




Date: 12-17-88 (12:28)               Number: 216
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: PAT PELTON                       Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I AM A SUBSCRIBER TO VENTURA PROFESSIONAL.  DO I GET 120 MINUTES?



Date: 12-17-88 (15:00)               Number: 217
  To: FREEMAN BRADFORD               Refer#: 216
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: TOSHIBA 321 PRINTER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Freeman,
       Version 2.0 or at least the last beta had a P1350/P1351 driver in
it. The Toshiba 321 Escape Sequences are reasonably close so that driver
should run. You might want to give Xerox a call to see if the driver wil
work with version 1.1. It should.




Date: 12-17-88 (15:09)               Number: 218
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID TREWEEK                    Read: NO
Subj: ATLANTA REDUX                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene. Sorry, I've been off so long. We had a publishing deadline on
our latest doc project. We shipped at 2:00pm today!!! (I'm real glad
it's over). So hows tricks?

So far, usage is up on the BPUG-ATL BBS. Little discussion though, just
directory raping. Oh Well. Maybe these guys will start talking soon. The
new mag looks great...and the feature on 2.0 was terrific (no counting
typos, ok?).

I've got a question. Do you know of any articles which deal with hard
disk management with regard to Ventura?

One more thing, my wife finally got a job in DTP. Yup, she starts
working at Atlanta Blueprint next week. It's all Mac  based, but we both
should learn something. It's kinda neat having my wife work in the same
industry. Who knows, maybe I'll give her a few years to gain experience,
then let her support ME!

Take care Gene. I'll call back later in the week and see if I can't
start a lively discussion.

Adios, David


Date: 12-17-88 (15:57)               Number: 219
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: DB2VP.ARC UPLOADED             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Two files have been uploaded to the Forum. DB2VP.ARC contains Mark
Scaramella's DB2VP.PRG program for preparing database files for Ventura
Publisher. This file contains a copy of the original Ventura Publisher
formatted chapters from VPUG. A second file called DB2VP101.ARC contains
a short README.DOC file and the DB2VP.PRG program.

Download the second file if you already have a copy of the documentation
You need Ventura Publisher to print the chapter in the DB2VP.ARC file.
Note that the text files were formatted using WordStar. You can convert
these text files to any other format using the File Type/Rename function
on the Ventura Publisher EDIT Menu.



Date: 12-17-88 (15:59)               Number: 220
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT LEVINE                    Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: PACKET1 AND PACKET2            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

In the last issue of VPUG readers were urged to download Packet1.Arc and
Packet2.Arc. When I tried to download them the message read, " File not
found". What are these files and why can't I down load them. I subscribe
to VPUG.




Date: 12-17-88 (16:00)               Number: 221
  To: ROBERT LEVINE                  Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: PACKET1 AND PACKET2            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bob,
    The files you speak about were originally created for the RBBS syste
that the Forum used when the system first was started. We've since
changed to Wildcat and will be changing once more when the Multi-node
system is ready. Packet1 is a tutorial on using the Forum and Packet2 is
a Reference Guide of commands and a explanation of file protocols used o
the Forum. The new software that packet files are written for is nothing
like you see now. It supports multiple conferences and everything is
topic oriented. The screens you see in the documentation are not the
same. Also, the new system (also a Wildcat!) supports multi-user chats,
netmail, echomail conferencing, full screen message support and true
message threading. Placing these files on the system now will only
confuse people.
    Instead, we have been asking users to page the system operator
whenever they need help. In most cases, someone is always here, although
it may take a moment or so to answer the line sometimes.
    Expect to see the packets, the new system and about two dozen
conference soon. I can't give you a firm date since this is in the hands
of Mustang Software, the developers of the Multi-node version of Wildcat

    The system is here installed on another computer. Several bugs still
exist and we cannot take the system up until we get the OK.

Call me if you need any more information. My private voice number is
408-224-8464. Looking forward to seeing some more of your work. That
peice you placed on the Forum was really interesting. If you ever have
the need, leave messages here for Ventura Software. John Meyer and John
Grant visit the Forum a lot.

Best Regards, Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (16:05)               Number: 223
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN DOW                         Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

i do freelance page makeup with a small publishing company.  they
are in need of more vp people.  the work really stretches one's
knowledge of vp; provides opportunity for some creative page layout
and can provide longer-term revenue than many quick-and-dirty
clients.
if this sounds interesting, leave me a message for more info.




Date: 12-17-88 (16:11)               Number: 226
  To: JOHN DOW                       Refer#: 225
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John,
    We're trying to come up with documentation, logon scripts and comm
program directories to make it easier for first time users to log in. Bo
Moody and I will be speaking to modem manufacturers at COMDEX to come up
with special purchase arrangements for users.
    The disk library set WILL become a reality sometime after the new
system goes up. Work on the multinode system is progressing much faster
than we though and we hope to get it up soon. Any ideas or help would be
greatly appreciated. You might want to send in a login script for your
communications program if you get a chance. We will also be needing
assistant sysops and a librarian soon. If you're interested please let m
know.

Best regards...Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (16:21)               Number: 229
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 3
From: JAY HIPPS                        Read: YES
Subj: OKIDATA LASER PRINTER          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello!  I use the Okidata laser printer (Laserline 6) and the problem
which is probably coming up is that they don't have the expanded memory
card for the printer.  This card takes the printer's memory up to 512K
from about 200K, which isn't enough to do much of anything in a 300 DPI
mode.  It's available from Okidata or a dealer.  If you have any other
questions, my voice no. is [phone].




Date: 12-17-88 (16:23)               Number: 230
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JANE HURFORD                     Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: BOOK PAGE LAYOUT WORK          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

i do freelance page makeup with a small publishing company.  they
are in need of more vp people.  the work really stretches one's
knowledge of vp; provides opportunity for some creative page layout
and can provide longer-term revenue than many quick-and-dirty
clients.
if this sounds interesting, leave me a message for more info.




Date: 12-17-88 (16:46)               Number: 234
  To: ROGER FIRTH                    Refer#: 196
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: NO
Subj: XYWRITE FILTER                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Roger,

Regarding the VP/Mac fonts/Fontographer setflat problem:

Take a look at PS2.PRE in \VENTURA and scan the file for instances of
"setflat". The number of instances you find will depend on the version
of VP you are using. The ones of interest to you are those imbedded in
text processing procedures such as "gtext", "jtext", and "fjt". These
procedures set the curve flatness to a fairly coarse value ("10
setflat") in order to enhance performance when "pathbbox" is executed in
the "bbox" procedure. You can try removing the "10 setflat" from these
procedures, but will probably suffer some degradation in performance
(I'm not sure how much, nor how noticeable).

I may change this in a future implementation so that setflat is
performed in a gsave/grestore context inside of "bbox", but don't hold
your breath by any means! It turns out that all of the Adobe fonts
invoke set the curve flatness inside of the font's BuildChar procedure,
anyway, so that the font may be appropriately rendered regardless of the
current graphic environment. This is the approach I believe all font
vendors should take to protect the font from its environment

regards,
jg
(Ventura Software)


Date: 12-17-88 (16:51)               Number: 236
  To: JAY HIPPS                      Refer#: 231
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: OKIDATA LASER PRINTER          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks Jay. We've really been trying to figure out the Okidata problem
for some time. We've passed your info on to the user who had the problem
already.

I'm going to add the solution to the new Q&A database file we are workin
on along with a credit for your submission.

Best Regards...Gene




Date: 12-17-88 (16:53)               Number: 237
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: TEMPORARY SYSOP                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

         ────  I M P O R T A N T   N O T E  ────

The VPUG staff will be attending COMDEX FALL 88 from November 13th to
the 17th. While away, the system will be operating automatically. Dick
Gaskill will check on the system every morning and evening to monitor fo
problems.

If you have a problem downloading files, leave a message and I will
respond when we get back. If the system goes down and does not come up
again, call 408-227-5068 and ask for Christina or Chris. They will pass
message on to someone so the system can be rebooted.

Thanks...Gene R.

cc: Dick Gaskill




Date: 12-17-88 (17:12)               Number: 244
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: 4 NEW LINES                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I M P O R T A N T  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The new software for the Forum has arrived and we should have it up and
running on a new system shortly before Christmas. The software will
support 9 lines and may be upgraded at a later date for additional
lines. A single line will be left open for public access, at least two
lines will be open to VPUG members, and 2 lines will be available for
subscribers to VPUG's Extended Support Service. The remaining lines are
reserved for the mail system, private nodes for conference moderators
and other people who help the Forum.

An article on using the new system will be featured in a future issue of
the magazine. VPUG members will receive news of the private telephone
lines either through messages placed on the Forum or in the mail.

VPUG members who are also members of VUNA (Ventura Publishers of North
America) should contact the sysop. The two organizations are merging
together. Very shortly, VUNA will cease to exist.

Sysop


Date: 12-17-88 (17:14)               Number: 245
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JANE HURFORD                     Read: NO
Subj: TED NACE                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

 - called ted yesterday; says he knows nothing about importing
graphics.  the disk is going down to john ... meanwhile, we're
going to work with EPS files.  which i can't see.  oh well.
onward and upward.  hope the "rockin and rollin" stays quiet
for awhile.  by the way -- good article in the new issue of
ventura publishes ... "breaks" take a lot of experimenting.
thanx again for all yr help.



Date: 12-17-88 (17:16)               Number: 246
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 219
From: FREEMAN BRADFORD                 Read: YES
Subj: SEARCH FOR PERFECT BBS         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene:
     I have been following with interest your looking at various BBS
software(s) to find one which fits.  PC board is certainly one of the
more popular BBS softwares out there hence would have the best chance of
being the most familiar to the largest number of users.
     I have been looking for an elegant solution to the multiline BBS an
have drawn the line (mentally) through any solution which requires a hos
to run multiple copies of the BBS software in a time division multiplex
such as DeskView.  I also would like to find a solution which does not
require a LAN to extend the multiline capabilities.
     The ideal software would support many (perhaps up to 32 lines) with
the host machine being an XT.  So far I have not found such a solution,
and am (reluctantly) thinking of writing one.
     Did you, in your searching, run across such a beast and if so could
you pass on the name, source , etc.?
     You are due many thanks for the obvious effort made here on hehalf
of Ventura users with the current board.

Brad.




Date: 12-17-88 (17:18)               Number: 247
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: PROGRESS WITH PICT             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The problem with Windows applications like Designer and Windows Draw is
the Windows Clipboard. It can only hold files of 128Kb or less. You can
easily excede this limit with Designer and Draw. A conversion utility
called CLIP2VP is included with version 1.1 Patch 2 and version 2.0.
Instructions are in the documentation. The actual process of using the
utility to make WMF (Windows MetaFiles) is easy following these
instructions, but the 128K limit restricts what you can do. Also, Ventur
converts (at least 1.1 does) WMF files to GEM files and uses these to
display the artwork on the screen. Version 2.o may load the files
directly, but I kind of doubt it. So, I would say that the Windows
applications are a bust for any serious Ventura work. But, Brad Kozak at
Micrografx told me at COMDEX Atlanta that they were coming out with thei
own multi-format file converter for Designer to solve this problem. I'll
lay odds that they announce it at COMDEX, so you might want to give them
a call.
    There are two GEM applications -- GEM DRAW and GEM ArtLine -- to
choose from. These would be the most ideal, but GEM Draw is primitive in
comparison to Mac Draw. Not contest here at all. Artline is an extremely
powerful program which takes quite a bit of practice to use effectively.
I did some beta test work with it and found the program can do just abou
anything the Designer can plus a little more like the ability to break
Bezier curves and merge them with others. Artline has not Panatone Color
enhancements if you need that sort of thing but it has an alternate
system. Also, a coming release of Artline will support true tri-color
separations. Call VPUG, ask for Bob Moody and tell him I said he should
send you a copy of the German version of Ventura Publishers. 90% of the
art is done with Artline.
     A sleeper is Corel Headline, but it does not show images on the
screen. The Corel people are about to announce a brand new product whith
a front-end for headline. This product is supposed to be dynamite, but
I'm told it will only do encapsulated PostScript files.
     AUTOSKETCH by AutoDesk (AutoCAD people) has got a lot of potential
if they can get additional monitor and printer support for it. In its
present state it is not suitable for the wide range of desktop publishin
applications.
     At least a dozen or more packages will be released at COMDEX. I'll
report on these when I get back. Other users may know about other
products tou might want to look into.

...Gene



Date: 12-17-88 (17:25)               Number: 248
  To: JANE HURFORD                   Refer#: 232
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: BOOK PAGE LAYOUT WORK          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

A little add on to Gene R.'s reply. Micrografx told me they were
thinking of pricing their little conversion program to give Designer
a little export ability to the real (Non windows) world at about
$300. I √told them they were out of their minds.
I would forget Designer for the reasons Gene quoted and I paid good
$$ for my copy.
One thing on Corel Draw's EPS files is that they are supposed to be
"viewable" EPS according to Corel, which I hope means Ventura will
display a bitmap picture instead of the damned X we get now with most
EPS files. I am dying to see Corel Draw but it is not supposed to be out
till Jan.
Will hopefully be looking at Gem Artline for the local Ventura Users
group as early as next week. My experience is to stay away from programs
(except Autocad) that cannot output .gem .img or .pcx files.
Of course, with Version 2, we will have to add .tiff, I guess, to that
list, but few programs except scanner software save in .tiff files at
this point.
 So I am counting on Corel Draw or Gem Artline, but haven't actually got
my grimy paws on either one, yet.
Chris

cc: Gene Rodrigues




Date: 12-17-88 (17:30)               Number: 250
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: DEIRDRE' STRAUGHAN               Read: YES
Subj: SUBSCRIPTION                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

It looks as if the boss did not get around to writing y'all a check
before he left. I'll make sure it goes out Monday. In the meantime, coul
you hold a copy of the Sept. issue for me?
And how can I get multiple copies of the December issue? Mom wants one,
Dad wants one, etc. etc.
Thanks,
Deirdre'



Date: 12-17-88 (17:32)               Number: 251
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: NONE
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: YES
Subj: IT ARRIVED!!                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

It arrived!!! (finally) After twelve days of waiting, Mrs Coffee of Xero
discovered a problem with my mailing address; someone had transposed two
numbers and then put some extra info in as a second line. "I have to put
a tracer on it." Fortunately, whoever delivered it figured it out and it
finally arrived on my doorstep.
  The wait was worth it. Many improvements. Hope you get yours soon.




Date: 12-17-88 (17:38)               Number: 252
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: BOB HEADRICK                     Read: NO
Subj: PC-WRITE 3.0                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene - I have PC-Write 3.0 available for upload if you are interested.
realize this is a Ventura board, but I can upload it if you like.  (It i
3 files, ~ 800K bytes total.)

By the way, I like this board.  Keep up the good work!



Date: 12-17-88 (17:41)               Number: 253
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: KERRY HAUPTLI                    Read: NO
Subj: JUST JOINED!                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene -
I just joined your BBR and the board looks great!  I uploaded
two files and have several .EPS files which might be of
general interest to other PostScript-O-Philes.
As a VPUG member, I wasn't sure what to do for "special
priviledges."  Is this note sufficient?
Also, would appreciate your confirmation that you received the
copy of PubStar I we sent about two weeks ago.
Keep up the good work!
Kerry Hauptli, Carrollton (Dallas), TX



Date: 12-17-88 (17:42)               Number: 254
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RON LAFON                        Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: GEM ARTLINE/VP 2.0             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm trying to import text (.GEM) files from the new GEM Artline into
Ventura Professional, and all the characters are filled with a brick
pattern (unusual, but usually inappropriate). Does anyone have any
experience with what might resolve this problem? Gem says its Ventura's
fault, and (as might be guessed) the folks at Xerox say its Gem's fault.
As you can imagine, this is not very helpful. Help!!!




Date: 12-17-88 (17:46)               Number: 255
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GENE MCCRAY                      Read: YES
Subj: PHOTOGRAPHY                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
I enjoy reading your articals in Ventura Professional and look foward
to reading more.  I am a VPUG member and am only reciving 60 min.
also seems as though I'm locked out of some downloads. Please make the
changes to reflect my membership. If you have any questions please leave
me a mgs or I can be reached at 303-287-4379.
TNX
P.S. let's see some half tones in the "Rag"
I'm also a Photographer and like to see Photographs (with by-lines).
chat at you later.
-Gene-




Date: 12-17-88 (17:49)               Number: 256
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DOUGLAS LIDSTER                  Read: YES
Subj: UPLOAD OF TAGNAMES.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Just a quick note . . .
  The first four or five times I logged onto this BBS, I got right in.
That experience made me wonder why you were going to s new system. Then,
when it came time to get this article off, it took two days of constant
calling to get through. Now I get the point.
  Please pass the word to Carroll that the letter I sent her (with the
signatures) may have gone to Bob Moody's home. I'm not certain which
address belongs to whom. So I just used the one from the last letter
I wrote.
          Hope you had fun at COMDEX. Can't wait to read about it.

cc: Carroll Baker





Date: 12-17-88 (17:50)               Number: 257
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: DOUGLAS LIDSTER                  Read: YES
Subj: UPLOAD OF TAGNAMES. ARC        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Just a quick note . . .
  The first four or five times I logged onto this BBS, I got right in.
That experience made me wonder why you were going to s new system. Then,
when it came time to get this article off, it took two days of constant
calling to get through. Now I get the point.
  Please pass the word to Carroll that the letter I sent her (with the
signatures) may have gone to Bob Moody's home. I'm not certain which
address belongs to whom. So I just used the one from the last letter
I wrote.
          Hope you had fun at COMDEX. Can't wait to read about it.

cc: Carroll Baker




Date: 12-17-88 (17:51)               Number: 258
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: FREEMAN BRADFORD                 Read: NO
Subj: SEARCH FOR PERFECT BBS         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene:
     I appreciate your sharing your research.  There is a board here in
Palo Alto (SPACE) which is currently running PC Board with a Novell Net
and a 386; with much the same configuration you describe.  Again I am
looking for a solution which is not so dependent on a third party
software for the multitasking as I feel it adds to the overhead.  The
SPACE board, the last I was on it, had a sluggish feel; much like a mini
has when there are too many terminals running too many complex programs.
The results are a noticeable delay between the keystroke and the respons
on the screen.
     I elected not to go to Comdex this year; I have a couple of writing
projects whose deadlines are beginning to loom.  You might check out
Digiboard, Inc and Star Gate Technologies, Inc. as two possible
additional sources for multiple line add-in boards.  These boards have
all of the multiple phone line servicing on an add-in board.  The board
itself is smart; has its own microprocessor and memory.
     There is a board in the Walnut Creek area running 16 lines on an XT
using these boards (I forget which one) and the user response is much
better than I found on the SPACE board.  I will be in touch with both of
these people to ask who has committed software development to support a
BBS on their boards.

Thanks again for your help.

Brad.




Date: 12-17-88 (17:56)               Number: 259
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DON WILKES                       Read: NO
Subj: HPGL & PATCH #2                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Many thanks for the offers to help, folks.  Patch #2 seems to have
solved the immediate problem, and due to heavy workload lately I
have not been able to do much spelunking for quirks, etc.  If I
come across any, I'll let you know, though.
   ---
Gene (Sysop):
I downloaded the QA-1.arc this morning, and brought it up in VP.
There's a wrong paragraph assignment on pages 5, 8, 12, 16, 24 & 27.
The last para in each case should be <Answer2Last>. The current
assignment makes the first line of each illegible.  I could upload
the corrected version, I suppose, but it's so trivial a change it
would probably be better if someone "on-site" did it.  Besides, this
is long distance!
   ---
Also, where may I find the file QAREADME.DOC?  It's not in the .ARC
file, and when I ask for it in the FILES area, I'm told it doesn't
exist.   If the messages area is not the place where I should be asking
this sorta stuff, please advise.  I'm still feeling my way around
in BBS-land.
   ---
Thanks again,
    Don (in Victoria)

cc: John Grant




Date: 12-17-88 (17:59)               Number: 260
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DON WILKES                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: BALMPC.ARC                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I downloaded this ARC file, and dropped it into a VP frame.
It produced no output whatsoever on my PostScript printer.
Anyone know where the (possible) bug is?
   ---
Don Wilkes (Victoria, B.C)




Date: 12-17-88 (18:04)               Number: 261
  To: GENE MCCRAY                    Refer#: 257
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: PHOTOGRAPHY                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene...Leave me a message with the download problems. We may have a bug
on the bbs software. Also, you have 120 minutes of access time in 60
minute increments. This will change to 120 minutes per day of continuous
use as soon as the new software goes on line (Dec. 15th). The Forum will
then have 6 lines open and any problems you may have had getting on the
system should be cleared up by then.

I'll pass your message about the photographs on to Carroll. Note that I
was also a photographer for 12 years or so. We will certainly credit all
photographers for their submissions. The reason we have not placed
photographs in the magazine before has been more of a resolution problem
than anything else. We've been trying to do everything without using
screens. This has all changed though with the release of Intel's new
graphic board. We will be placing one on out system soon and should be
able to resolve 256 shades of gray.

Also, the new system will be carrying the PHOTO echo, a message system
which travels around the country. It's moderated by the Rogers and Blake
BBS in Maryland. They help moderate both DTP and Photographic
conferences. This will give you a chance to exchange ideas with other
photographers. A similar echo called FILM about cinematography will also
be placed on-line. I've also been trying to scrounge photo-related files
(information, utilities, etc). I sholud have a wider assortment on-line
soon.

...Gene R.




Date: 12-17-88 (18:06)               Number: 262
  To: DOUGLAS LIDSTER                Refer#: 258
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: UPLOAD OF TAGNAMES.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

We've had more calls about the logon problem than anything else lately.
Choose the S option from the Main menu to get an idea of the slack
periods when few users call in. The new system will have 6 to 9 lines an
at least 5 will be reserves to VPUG members. This should cure the
problems for a few months or so. We're also adding a half dozen extra
lines just in case.

Bob is still checking his mail, so I can't tell you as of yet if your
article was received.

...Gene R




Date: 12-17-88 (06:53)               Number: 264
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MARYLOU BAFFONI                  Read: NO
Subj: KELLY'S ADDRESS                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the message; apology accepted. Now, let's get on with more
important things.  I think it would be best if you send the disks to
*me*. Kelly is so busy he doesn't check his P.O. Box too often.  Also, I
think it would be safer to send packages to a residence instead of an
apartment complex or a P.O. Box.
My address is: 161 Hillcrest Drive, Fullerton, CA 92632
Kelly's address is: P.O. Box 4774, Cerritos, CA 90701-4774
Kelly's apartment address is: 5600 Orangethorpe, #1802, La Palma, CA
90623.

Kelly has been asking me about his issues of Ventura Professional!.



Date: 12-17-88 (18:09)               Number: 265
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TOM ATWOOD                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF COMPLEX.ARC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Recently I called this system asking for help with "frame-too-complex"
problems in VP.  I received helpful replies from several people, and a
workaround for my situation was found.  The solution works for those of
us who do not yet have the Professional Extension for version 2.0
and a detailed description is found in the textfile "COMPLEX.ARC," which
can be found in the files section.  I was very happy to receive a
thoughtful reply to my message today from John Meyer himself, and I than
him for taking the time to respond.  Thanks again to Ventura Professiona
and VPUG for providing such a fine BBS service.      Tom Atwood

cc: Gene Rodrigues
    Rick Altman




Date: 12-17-88 (17:36)               Number: 266
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: OCTOBER 1988 WORKSHOP          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Message 400                                     DATE/TIME: 11/14/88 18:4
From   : RODNEY HARRILL
To     : ALL
Subject: October, 1988 Workshop
Folder : A, "PUBLIC Messages"

Unfortunately, the most important piece of information regarding my
article was somehow lost in the transmission or editing of my files.
Anyway: "Note: It is important to have the correct version of the
postscript preamble and printer driver to use this feature (rotating
text),.  The files PS2.PRE, and PD_POST5.SYS are automatically installed
when Ventura is installed for a ostscript printer.  Ventura Patch #2
provides these two files, the dates on the file PD_POST5.SYS is 1-22-88,
the PS2.PRE is 1208-87.  these files replaced the earlier version of the
printer driver, and the postscript preamble.  You will not be able to
accomplish the rotation of images and text on the same page with Patch #
preamble and printer driver.  If you have your patch #1 disks available,
or any Adobe font packkage, disk #4, or #5 in the Driver subdirectory,
you may safely copy the older version of PS2.PRE and PD_POST5.SYS over
the version supplied with Patch #2.  This will in no way affect the
operation or performance of functions in Patch #2.  the date on your
PD-POST5.SYS and PS2.PRE files should be 7-22-87.  In you are using Core
Newfont, you should use the 080687.pre file and rename it to PS2.PRE,
then copy it to the Ventura Directory (after renaming the Patch #2
PS2.PRE file to PS2.OLD of course).  If you have any questions, please d
not hesitate to call me at [phone] x 225, or leave mail
Thanks



Date: 12-17-88 (18:20)               Number: 267
  To: JANE HURFORD                   Refer#: 232
From: ROB PANNONI                      Read: NO
Subj: BOOK PAGE LAYOUT WORK          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Jane,

I am a technical writer and computer consultant specializing in
PC-based desktop publishing.  I run a small business that, among
other things, does desktop publishing contract work.  I am interested
in hearing more about the opportunity you described--long projects and
complex layouts are the kind of projects we like to take on.  Leave
me a message with more details or contact me at [phone].

Thanks,

--Rob Pannoni




Date: 12-17-88 (18:23)               Number: 268
  To: RON LAFON                      Refer#: 256
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: YES
Subj: GEM ARTLINE/VP 2.0             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I've had problems with Artline and the LaserMaster Capcard whcih can't
print anything Artline creates; have notified LaserMaster and hope they
have a new driver. I tried printing the "Twist" pic in Ventura using the
HP II driver and it rinted beautifully except that there was practically
no distinction between the three "twists"; art pics print fine. I'll try
doing a text only and see if I encounter the same problem you do.




Date: 12-17-88 (18:25)               Number: 269
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: PEDRO AMARAL                     Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
Would you verify that I am a member of the VPUG.
-pedro amaral
fresno, ca 93711




Date: 12-17-88 (18:26)               Number: 270
  To: DENIS LATKOWSKI                Refer#: 270
From: RON LAFON                        Read: NO
Subj: GEM ARTLINE/VP 2.0             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks Denis, I've found that the problem occurs not only wiht fonts
generated from the Bitstream kit included with GEM Artline, but with the
included fonts as well. Strangely enough, the samples (such as skeleton
and others) included with Artline have text that prints as expected.
Please let me know of your continued tests.




Date: 12-17-88 (18:27)               Number: 271
  To: BOB MOODY                      Refer#: NONE
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0 CLASSES                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I understand that Bob Moody is teaching a class on VP on DEC 3, would
like information on how to contact Bob, and where it will be. Thanks.

cc: Gene Rodrigues




Date: 12-17-88 (18:42)               Number: 276
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: HP DESKJET                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

To anyone interested in printing to a DeskJet printer from Ventura
Publisher, read on . . .
..
While at Comdex, I saw a program from Atech software which lets Ventura
Publisher drive virtually any printer, including the DeskJet. Unlike
another solution which I have seen which requires translating a
PostScript file and takes 15-20 minutes, this drives the DeskJet with a
300 dpi bit map and takes about 4 minutes per page. If anyone is
interested in this product (which sells for $195), they should contact
Atech Software, 629 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road, San Marcos, CA 92069, (619)
438-6883. I'm not endorsing the product, since I don't own a DeskJet and
haven't tried it, but I know a lot of people are interested in this
printer so I thought I'd pass this along.
..
Incedentally, the reason Ventura Software doesn't include a driver with
Ventura Publisher is that the DeskJet only comes with 128K of memory
which is not enough to download any fonts using the PCL (i.e., the
LaserJet) driver, which otherwise would work. Therefore, a whole new
driver would be required, similar to the the one that Atech has written.
We felt the performance of this type of driver was not in keeping with
the performance of Ventura Publisher, since the DeskJet can print faster
than 4 minutes per page. However, given the limited memory in a standard
DeskJet, the type of driver which Atech has written is the only approach
which makes sense, and they appear to have done a good job implementing
it, based on watching their driver print the SCOOP chapter at Comdex.



Date: 12-17-88 (18:42)               Number: 277
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: VP 2.0 NOT ENOUGH MEMORY       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have received a number of complaints about not being able to run
Ventura Publisher version 2.0 because of insufficient memory. In trackin
down these problems, I have found that one of two situations seems to
cause the problem:
..
  1. Not enough attention paid to the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files
     (i.e., removing all unecessary TSR and background programs).
  2. Installing version 2.0 with a VGA monitor.
..
The performance enhancement information, which I uploaded several weeks
ago contains information on how to handle the first situation. Therefore
let me address the second situation.
..
Most people who want to install for VGA operation understandably want to
take advantage of the new gray scale and 16 color capability contained i
the new VGA screen drivers shown on the second screen of options provide
by VPPREP. However, these drivers are appreciably larger than their two
color counterparts, and in certain systems which do not contain EMS,
Ventura Publisher may not be able to load. The amount of memory required
depends on not only the CONFIG.SYS drivers and AUTOEXEC.BAT
configuration, but also on the version of DOS, whether network software
is loaded, and other configuration parameters.
..
If you are having problems loading Ventura Publisher version 2.0,
especially if you previously ran version 1.1 without any memory problems
I suggest that you do one of the following:
..
  1. Purchase EMS memory. I know this costs money, but if you use Ventur
     Publisher a lot, the performance improvements resulting from
     increased memory (even with the base 2.0 product) are worth it.
     Plus, if you ever decide to upgrade to the Professional Extension,
     the EMS memory really helps you get the most out of its unique
     features>
>>


  2. If your budget won't allow you to buy EMS just yet, then the simple
     solution is to simply install either for EGA or for VGA two color.
     Yes, I know, you won't be able to get the gray scale and sexy
     on-screen color mixing, but you will be able to run version 2.0
     without any additional investment.



Date: 12-17-88 (18:44)               Number: 278
  To: RON LAFON                      Refer#: 272
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: GEM ARTLINE/VP 2.0             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Denis...Are you using the GEM 3.0/Ventura driver? I just got it in about
a week ago, but have not installed it yet. I saw Larry Lukis from
LaserMaster printing Artline files (some very complex) at the COMDEX
show. You might also try leaving a message for Larry on the LaserMaster
BBS. The telephone number is on Bulletin 2.




Date: 12-17-88 (18:45)               Number: 279
  To: PEDRO AMARAL                   Refer#: 271
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Pedro...My list shows you as a member and I've already added your name t
the user file for the new board going on line next month. If you're not
receiving magazine issues or don't think your access rights are correct,
let me know.




Date: 12-17-88 (18:46)               Number: 280
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: 273
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VP 2.0 CLASSES                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

You can contact Bob at 408-227-5030 or 408-227-5068. If you cannot get i
touch with him personally, leave a message with Sonya Jackson. She will
fill you in on the class and the location. The last class was held at th
Hewlett-Packard auditorium where VPUG Central holds its meetings (corner
of Wolfe Roard and Prunridge). Let me know if you need more help...




Date: 12-17-88 (18:51)               Number: 281
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: LEO MEISELS                      Read: NO
Subj: HPL2VEN.ARC                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

As you indicate in your recent message, I've tried several times to
download HPL2VEN.ARC but it seems that the file is corrupted.
When I try to "unarc" the messages are: HPL2VEN fails CRC check,
HPL2VEN.ARC has a bad header, etc.
The protocol I use is XMODEM on PRACTICAL PRERIPHERALS 2400 Internal
using Smartcomm II and also tried the first time with PROCOMM.
Thanks.
-- Leo



Date: 12-17-88 (19:01)               Number: 285
  To: DENIS LATKOWSKI                Refer#: 253
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: IT ARRIVED!!                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for reply as I know you were on the run. Look for ward to
hearing from you.
CHris




Date: 12-17-88 (19:02)               Number: 286
  To: DENIS LATKOWSKI                Refer#: 253
From: CHRIS JOHNSON                    Read: NO
Subj: IT ARRIVED!!                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Well, you are a lot luckier than me. My upgrade mailed at a Post
Office on Oct. 22. WHen I talked to Xerox last week, they finally
admitted having my upgrade request but had NOT sent the software.
They said it would just be A FEW MORE WEEKS.
A friend here in Houston got his Version 2 upgrade in less than two
weeks. Xerox could not explain how he got so much better service than
I am getting either.
Obviously, I am more than fed up with Xerox.
Chris




Date: 12-17-88 (18:50)               Number: 288
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MARYLOU BAFFONI                  Read: (N/A)
Subj: EMS BOARD CONFIGURATION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Need advice on installing EMS (extended memory) card.
We are having a problem in trying to configure my
system for a Tecmar Captain 286 with 4MB on a TeleVideo
TeleCAT EGA. It has a C (boot drive) 20MB, 1 Vol. A
second drive contains 42MB partitioned with SpeedStor.
So: D is a virtual drive with a device driver. E is a
full 42MB Vol. RAM disk device driver on TeleVideo DOS
has VDISK and it only gives you 64K, no matter what you
type into CONFIG.SYS.

When booting up, system hangs. When all device
drivers are in CONFIG.SYS, the LIM device driver and
the HARDRIVE.SYS (SpeedStor) and VDISK.SYS which is
the RAM disk.

However, it doesn't always hang; sometimes it pushes
the E drive to F and gives you 64K of RAM disk at E:.

Would appreciate any suggestions. Only have DOS 3.1 and
that could be the problem in getting DOS VDISK to work.



Date: 12-17-88 (19:13)               Number: 291
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: THOMAS MUI                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: HP II PRINTER PROBELMS         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Aloha out there! I'm using an AT with a JRAMAT from Tall Trees. In
modifying Ventura with the 2.0 patches, I noticed that I can get my X's
with JOUTPUT but Ventura seems to freeze up while loading the driver in
the print stage. Any answers out there? (Fortunately, I have access to
another AT without the Tall Tree equipment, but I prefer the speed using
the JRAMAT3's. Thanks all.

cc: Gene Rodrigues


Date: 12-17-88 (19:16)               Number: 293
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RON LAFON                        Read: (N/A)
Subj: GEM ARTLINE/VENTURA 2.0        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

After further experiments using .GEM Artline files with Ventura 2.0
Professional Ext. and a HP LaserJet II, I am still unable to print any
of the fonts in the .GEM file. Any graphic element prints fine, but the
fonts are filled with a brick-like pattern. With the same file on the
screen in Ventura (It displays normally), I directed it to a PostScript
printer and it worked perfectly. Is there a problem with the HPLJ
driver in the new release of Ventura ??? Any comments or suggestions
will be appreciated.




Date: 12-17-88 (20:39)               Number: 294
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: EMS MEMORY & /A= SWITCH        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

In general, if you have EMS memory, don't use the /A switch. In addtion,
according to Don and John Grant, the /A switch may cause problems with
all but the PostScript printers.

If you don't have EMS memory and are running the Professional Extension,
you will probably need to use the /A switch. My personal experience is
that if you keep it to less than /A=16, you won't have problems with the
printer drivers. /A=20 or greater will cause the TIFF converter and
several other of the LOD converters to malfunction (you will get an erro
message on the screen warning you of this fact). The performance and
memory enhancements memo that I uploaded will give you more info . . .
..
As for the Moniterm driver, I don't have access to it, but I can tell yo
that the Wyse, Sigma, VGA, EGA, and MDS Genius drivers that we use at th
office all work without a hitch.


Date: 12-17-88 (20:42)               Number: 295
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: NASTY MESSAGES                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Things to check for if you get nasty messages after printing:
..
1.  Have you altered the VP.BAT or VPPROF.BAT file? You should NOT use
the /A switch with any printer except PostScript (i.e., don't use it wit
the LaserJet).

2.  Do you have at east 2 megabytes of free space on your hard disk?
This is not required unless you DON'T have EMS and unless you have a
large document. However, if you try to create large documents with the
base VP (non-Professional) and don't have at least 2 megabytes available
memory could be corrupted under extreme conditions (fairly unlikely, but
possible).

3.  While Ventura Publisher 2.0 can now be run from Digital Research's
GEM Desktop, you must have DRI GEM version 3.1 or above. Since I'm not
entirely sure about their numbering system, don't quote me on that
version level. To make sure, don't run Ventura Publisher from the GEM
Desktop until you have run it from the DOS prompt without having run GEM
first. This way you can verify that Ventura Publisher works on its own.


Date: 12-17-88 (20:45)               Number: 297
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: MESSAGE BASE CORRUPTION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

************************     EVERYONE!     **************************

       We've lost just over a months worth of messages from the system.
       On December 5th, the system crashed for some unknown reason and
       attempts to bring the system back on line failed.

       After digging deeper, we found a major bug in the version 1.13
       version of the software installed in late November. The data and
       index files for the message system were badly corrupted. Rather
       than bring the system up with the faulty software, we have
       installed the earlier version 1.12 software used before October
       25th and the last message files backup dated 10/25/88. The 1.13
       version message files are incompatible with version 1.12.

       We've re-indexed and renumbered the old message file, so you will
       need to use the SEARCH options on the message menu to find
       entered prior to 10/25/88. We managed to output the entire 1.13
       message file to disk and have placed the file in the LISTS
       file area. You can download and print this file if you need to
       see any messages entered between 10-25-88 through 12-06-88. The
       file is called OLDMSG.ARC.

       Due to the large number of messages and the threading of messages
       it would be impossible to re-enter the missing messages manually.

       Under the circumstances, we will not be installing the version 1.
       software after bug fixes arrive. The new PCBOARD system will be u
       and running sometime before Christmas. Our goal date of getting
       the system up and running by December 15th has been pushed about
       a week later.

       Frankly, we are sick about this entire mess. Everyone has worked
       hard to build the message system to its current level as of
       December 6th. Hopefully, we may be able to re-enter the missing
       messages into the PCBoard system before it goes up. Given time
       and a few volunteers, this may happen before the new system begin
       operation.

       ...Gene


Date: 12-17-88 (20:46)               Number: 298
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: FILE DATABASE                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

***************************   EVERYONE    ***************************

       Although not corrupted in the message system mishap, the files
       database will have to be updated to include all files uploaded
       since October 25th. This we will do during low peak hours over
       the next few days. Data and descriptions for about 150 files
       needs to be entered manually.

       During the interim period, leave a message for the Sysop if you
       need a file which is not listed in the database.

       Thanks...Gene


Date: 12-17-88 (20:47)               Number: 299
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: USER REGISTRATION              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

In the previous messages, the messsage base corruption problem was
discussed and a explanation of our plans to remedy the problem were
explained. In returning to version 1.12, all new users who have
registered will have to reregister again prior to logging into the
system. We will attempt to manually add all of these users to the
database over the next few days if their names are  missing from the
existing user database.

...Gene


Date: 12-17-88 (20:48)               Number: 300
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TODD LEONARD                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: VP AND DESQVIEW                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi folks.  I am hoping to use DesqView with VP, but I've had a little
difficulty along the way -- I am using a monitor not directly supported
by Quarterdeck, namely, the Amdek 1280 (same as WYSE 700).  The program
bombs when VP tries to switch into the monitor's hi-res mode.  Does
anyone have any suggestions about how to get it going?

My primary reason for wanting to use DesqView is so I can send Postscrip
files out over an AppleTalk network.  Currently, this means I have to ge
out of VP to run the program from the DOS command line.  Does anyone hav
any alternatives for this?


Date: 12-17-88 (20:50)               Number: 302
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN POWELL                      Read: (N/A)
Subj: COLOR OUTPUT WITH VP           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have a requirement to produce multi-colored charts and graphs as a
normal part of a document (they come from GEM Draw and/or LOTUS, etc).
What inkjet printers is supported.  HP's PaintJet ? where can I see it i
use with COLOR and VP?    How about Xerox's 4020? Same questions... I
realy do not desire to spend CA$H only to finid out I can't get COLOR.
Any help out there?  If the paintjet type printers can't do the job I am
open to other methods such as a service/method I can obtain hte end
result..
Thanks!....
JP


Date: 12-17-88 (20:52)               Number: 303
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: SCALING?                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am using ver 2.0,  and using gem files created by Case Schematic
Capture Software. Anyway, when I try to ge the printout to print on the
full page of my wide carriage Epson LQ2550, it will only print about 2/3
of the page horizontally, no matter what changes I seem to make in the
scaling, etc.    I have also tried to use the Landscape mode, and get a
full 11 x 17 print (wide carriage) , but have the same problem plus I
only get the center of the screen to print on the paper.  If you can
follow what I'm trying to say, please leave suggestions.

Also found that the literature is incorrect, there is no disk #16 with
ver 2.0...                             Dick Worth
   Emerald Lake/MPG BBS in Redwood City. Now supporting Ventura for the
San Mateo Ventura Group.         [phone]    9600 baud.


Date: 12-17-88 (20:53)               Number: 304
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, I logged on today to find that my name has been removed, and I am
again a new user.  Is this a mistake, or have I forgotten something.
Thanks, Dick  Worth. Emerald Lake/MPG  [phone]  Redwood City.


Date: 12-17-88 (21:03)               Number: 307
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: HANS ANDRIESE                    Read: NO
Subj: DUTCH BBS                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello Gene, This is Holland calling...
What should be the best way to get some files over from you to us?
Is there a limit that we can download, is there a price for adding your
material to our BBS (telphone number 3180 601122, please try!)
Hans Andriuese


Date: 12-17-88 (21:04)               Number: 308
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: UPLOAD OF PERFORM2.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

For anyone who has read the performance enhancement tips that I uploaded
several weeks ago, this newest version contains a little more
information about VP.BAT switches and removes the confusion about when t
use a RAM disk (answer: don't bother unless you can't use memory for a
disk cache or EMS memory). The organization is much better than the
previous version.
..
I will be uploading several more tutorials on how to maximize memory
usage, including -- in the next upload -- actuall examples of CONFIG.SYS
files and AUTOEXEC.BAT files showing how to use 386max, QEMM, CEMM,
EMM.SYS, REMM.SYS, Lightening, Super PCKwik, and other popular EMS
drivers and cache programs.


Date: 12-17-88 (21:05)               Number: 309
  To: CHRIS JOHNSON                  Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: OVERFLOW FILES                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The OVERFLOW files are created by Ventura Publisher during a session and
then erased during the QUIT operation. If you reboot without quitting or
if the system crashes for any reason, these files remain. Ventura
Publisher will delete them for you, or you can delete them without any
harm. If the system has crashed (whether from Ventura Publisher or from
any program) you should run CHKDSK /F to remove any lost clusters. These
result -- at least in Ventura Publisher -- from files which were open at
the time of the crash, power failure, re-boot, etc. Lost clusters do not
indicate that your disk is corrupt or that your FAT table is bad. It jus
indicates that a file was started, but no end can be found. Just simply
run CHKDSK with the /F option and answer YES to the question, "Do you
want to recover lost clusters?"
..
The fact that your friend has zero bytes EMS means that he is likely to
have memory problems if he does not remove ALL extraneous drivers from
the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files. He should also install only the
EGA or VGA 2 COLOR drivers. Do not install any of the 16 color drivers
(the ones located at the bottom of the first page of VPPREP installation
options and on the entire second page on screen installation options).
These take up too much memory for most systems to run without EMS (and
this is what VPPREP says, but many people ignore it).
..
You said that your friend was trying to find an EARLIER version of GEM i
order to run Ventura Publisher. He needs to find a LATER version. You
need to run GEM 3.1 or later. GEM 3.0 Desktop will not execute Ventura
Publisher correctly. In addition, I can almost guarantee that your frien
will not have enough memory if he executes from the GEM Desktop. I highl
recommend running Ventura Publisher from the DOS command line unless you
have an XMS driver (e.g., Microsoft HIMEM.SYS), 386max, or similar drive
..
Hope this helps.


Date: 12-17-88 (21:10)               Number: 310
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: SCREEN DRIVERS                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, Thanks for the info on screen drivers.
..
Please check the upload area. I've modified the performance enhancement
document and made it simpler to understand, plus I have added more
information as Don, Lee, and John tell me new things or as I discover
them myself. Please delete the older of the performance enhancement
letter and replace it with this one.
..
I'll be uploading additional technical notes during the next 2-3 weeks.
                   ----------------------------------------



Date: 12-17-88 (21:19)               Number: 312
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROB PANNONI                      Read: YES
Subj: LASERMASTER LX-6               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene

I remember reading a message (before the big crash) that said you have
been beta testing the Lasermaster LX-6 controller.  I have a customer
who has expressed an interest in this product but I don't like to
deal with products I haven't tried--especially initial releases.  The
other Lasermaster products I have used have been quite good.  What do
you think of the LX-6?  Is this product ready for prime time?

--Rob Pannoni


Date: 12-17-88 (21:21)               Number: 313
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 308
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: UPLOAD OF PERFORM2.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the file John and I will get it online on the new system whic
we will open partially this weekend. We are trying to work around a majo
bug that affected the message base last week. We don't trust the softwar
because of the manner in which this bug manifested itself.

We will place one node of the new system online on Sunday or Monday and
open at least three more lines the following weekend. BTW, Bob ordered
some new software for the new system which will allow users to download
the latest messages as a file. A reader will be available for
downloading. With the reader, you can read and answer the messages at
home without tying up your telephone line. The next time you call, the
reader will automatically upload your replies. I'll send you and John
Grant copies of the reader by mail when the software shows up. This will
also allow you to archive messages as files which might come in handy fo
Q&A type information for Xerox Customer Support.

...Gene


Date: 12-17-88 (21:23)               Number: 315
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEW VP 2.0 PERFORMANCE GD      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John Meyer has uploaded the current release of Ventura Software's
Performance Guide for version 2.0. The new guide contain quite a bit of
information not present in the original guide. Programmers Lee Jay
Lorenzon, John Grant and Don Heiskell have made suggestions to improve
John's original guide and have added some information not documented in
the Ventura Publisher manuals.

Please pass on this file to other boards you might frequent.

Thanks, Gene


Date: 12-17-88 (21:23)               Number: 316
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: TESTING...                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If anyone is interested in helping. I need a couple of people in the
local San Jose area to call into the new multinode system when it is
placed on line. To help, you have to have a data and voice line
available.

All the lines need testing and I need someone to upload and download
files using different protocols, modems, and communications programs. If
you're interested in helping leave me a private message. I need at least
six volunteers to test the first six nodes and the message chatting
system between nodes.



Date: 12-17-88 (21:25)               Number: 317
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: FREEMAN BRADFORD                 Read: NO
Subj: TOSHIBA 341 PRINTER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene:
     I finally got my 2.0 upgrade and, as you predicted, the Toshiba
driver in the upgrade works just fine with the Toshiba 321.  (excuse the
typo in the subject line).
     The question has become moot for me as I have since aquired another
Laser Printer, but wanted to close the loop for your information.

Brad.


Date: 12-17-88 (21:30)               Number: 318
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE CASE                       Read: NO
Subj: DESKTOP ACCESSORIES            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John,
I had named the extension on my .acc files to .vcc for 1.1, but that
doesn't work for 2.0. What do you suggest?
Steve


Date: 12-17-88 (21:32)               Number: 319
  To: RON LAFON                      Refer#: 270
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: GEM ARTLINE/VP 2.0             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Ron,

Thanks for sending the Artline GEM file and the information on the Word
Perfect 5.0 problem.

I've found the Artline problem in the HP device driver and will be
sending you a copy of the new driver. As it turns out, the problem will
occur with any non-PostScript printer. Consider the new driver an interi
"beta" version to work around the Artline GEM problem. It should be as
stable as the driver you are currently using, since it has not been
significantly modified since the release. Thanks for your help on this..

The Word Perfect 5.0 problem has been reported by a number of folks and
appears to be pretty serious. The problem is under investigation and I
can't give you any estimate on when it will be fixed. Be aware, though,
that the bizarreness will happen anytime you save to WP 5.0 format and
there are any extended character (i.e., above 127) included. It turns ou
that we are outputting an extraneous hex E1 before and after the extende
character -- which blows WP's mind (as well as VP's) when the file is
read back in. If this happens again, you might try using DEBUG (or
something like that) to patch the E1 (hex) values to 20 (hex) -- an ASCI
space character. Sorry I can't give you a solution yet for this.

Regards,
jg


Date: 12-17-88 (21:35)               Number: 320
  To: DICK GASKILL                   Refer#: NONE
From: DOUGLAS DETLING                  Read: YES
Subj: VP UTILITIES                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick--Please upload the files you mentioned in your article in Nov. 88
Ventura Professional. I sent you a message earlier, but I think it got
lost in the conversion of the BBS. I'd like to try KEYREP.COM and
REFRESH.COM especially. Thanks.

cc: Gene Rodrigues



Date: 12-26-88 (04:16)               Number: 324
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DONNA HARRINGTON                 Read: YES
Subj: USER STATUS                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene,
       My name is Donna Harrington and I have been a member of this
users group since it began as far as I can tell. I enjoy the magazine a
lot. I don't know if I'm registered on the BBS. Could you please check
and let me know?

Thanks, Donna Harrington


Date: 12-26-88 (04:19)               Number: 325
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: GARY BLANKENBILLER               Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am a subscriber loging on here for the first time. to get full access
do I have to something other than list my name?   The business n╪√me
we are listed under is SG Systems and my name is Gary Blankenbiller.
The address is 8317 Gateway Terrace in Oklahoma City, OK 73149.
Thanks Gary.


Date: 12-26-88 (04:23)               Number: 327
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN RICHARDSON                  Read: (N/A)
Subj: DTP START-UP                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi! My wife and I have been using XVP since v1.0 in our dog supply
business to do mailers and our catalog.  We are thinking of expanding ou
repetoire and doing DTP for other small businesses in our community. ( W
live in the mountains of Western NC and most typesetting is still done
one line at a time on old CompuGraphics machines.) We think a market
exists.
We have a Mac with Adobe Illustrator 88 in addition to XVP and are about
to lease a PS laser printer. Thus, we are fairly well equipped with both
software and hardware.  To those professionals out there who have starte
up a DTP business, how have you done it?  What are the pitfalls?  How
have you charged for your work and how much have you charged?
While I think a need exists about the small business community here, doe
anyone have any suggestions on how to break the lock that the old-time
printers have on them? We were thinking of a direct mail piece and a
personalized letter to all the potential customers in town.
Any help that those of you who have been there before can give would be
greatly appreciated.  JOHN


Date: 12-26-88 (04:30)               Number: 332
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DONNA HARRINGTON                 Read: YES
Subj: V 2.0 PERFORMANCE INFO.        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene,
I just read your message number 821. Is the file you are referring to
vp_prfm.arc dated 10/25/88, or is there a newer version? Your message
indicates that John Meyer just uploaded a new version of the performance
guide. Please let me know.
Thanks!
Donna Harrington


Date: 12-26-88 (04:35)               Number: 333
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: FRANK TOBE                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: APPLE LASERWRITER HELP         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have an original Apple Laserwriter which I have attached to an IBM AT
and use Ventura.  It prints slowly but works fine. But the printer can't
do anything else.  It only emulates Diablo 630's and we don't use them
anymore.  We have an HP Laserprinter (also one of the first ones out)
for our normal office work.

Does anyone have a suggestion/board/patch/comment on how to make more us
of this printer.  We've only printed 11,000 copies since we got the
printer years ago.  (We got it to work with DO-IT, a predecessor to
Ventura).

Call me at [phone] -- I'm Frank Tobe.  If I'm not it, call Janet.
Or reply here on the BBS.

Thanx.


Date: 12-26-88 (04:44)               Number: 339
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: CARLA MCGEE                      Read: YES
Subj: BBS INSTRUCTIONS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene,
I tried to get copies of the packet1 and packet2 arc files for new users
and they were not available in area A as stated in the September issue o
Ventura Professional.  Aren't they available any more?  Please let me
know.  Also, I am interested in downloading a copy of all files currentl
on the BBS - is there such an animal on this BBS?  Please let me know.
Thanks... and have a nice day, Carla McGee


Date: 12-26-88 (04:49)               Number: 340
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 145
From: JEFF PERRY                       Read: NO
Subj: HELP! VENTURA & THE EGA        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John, thanx for the ideas.
As it turned out, My EGA Card was on its last breath.
It failed completely shortly after I left the message concerning my
problem. It has now been replaced by a shiny new Paradise 480
and I am experiencing no problems at all. Thanx again. JLP


Date: 12-26-88 (04:56)               Number: 346
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: CHARLES COWENS                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: KERNING ADJUSTMENTS            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

  It's easy to edit a .VFM file to add your own pair kerning information
to the character width information, if you have the .VFM file in the
first place. But, if you are like me and use built-in laser printer
typefaces and the already compiled standard width table that comes with
Ventura, you have no .VFM file to use in modifying the pair kerning
behavior for any typeface.

  Does anybody out there have the .VFM files for any of the standard
thirty-five PostScript typefaces?

  Wouldn't it be nice if Ventura made all the .VFM files it uses to
compile into its standard .WID files available on this BBS?



Date: 12-26-88 (04:57)               Number: 347
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: CHARLES COWENS                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: VIKING 1 DRIVERS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm not sure if this belongs in this folder, but anyway...
Does anyone know what's going on with the development of a Viking 1
driver from Moniterm for Ventura 2.0?


Date: 12-26-88 (05:03)               Number: 349
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ERIC MARTIN                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: HELP WITH GRAPHICS             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I downloaded the file called VPGRAPH.ARC which allows you to read in all
your graphic files and then print them out for inclusion in a notebook
for leter referencing. Well the setup works really well except that the
header that I included isn't printing.

My main problem with this is that I have about 38 different 'curio'
graphics files that I downloaded quite some time ago. They all read into
the chapter just fine. I've had to scale a few of them to fit in the
frames, but other than that the screen looks fine. The files are either
PCX or PCC files. My problem comes when I tried to print out these
graphics. I'm using an EPSON EX800 printer. Some of those graphic files
won't print. I went back and tried to print individual pages and I still
can't get a few of them to print out. The frames and captions print just
fine, just no graphics.

It seems that it's pretty random as to which ones do print and which one
don't. Some are scaled, some are PCX, some aren't scaled, some are
PCC...so I can't figure out why.

Anyone have any thoughts on this one?

Eric


Date: 12-26-88 (05:04)               Number: 350
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN SHAWN                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: LC890 LASER PRINTER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

ANY INFORMATION ON THE NEC LC890 LASER PRINTER WOULD BE GREATLY
ACCEPTED. NEED INFO ON DRIVER & HOW TO REASSIGN THE HOPPERS.
      THANKS     STEPHEN SHAWN

cc: John Grant


Date: 12-26-88 (05:05)               Number: 351
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN SHAWN                    Read: NO
Subj: LC890 LASER PRINTER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

ANY INFORMATION ON THE NEC LC890 LASER PRINTER WOULD BE GREATLY
ACCEPTED. NEED INFO ON DRIVER & HOW TO REASSIGN THE HOPPERS.
      THANKS     STEPHEN SHAWN

cc: John Grant



Date: 12-26-88 (05:13)               Number: 354
  To: ERIC MARTIN                    Refer#: 349
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: NO
Subj: HELP WITH GRAPHICS             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Eric,

Depending on the version of Ventura Publisher you are running, there are
certain limitations to printing bit images on printers other than
PostScript or JLaser.

The first limit is the number of file handles allowed by DOS. This numbe
is 20 per process (regardless of what FILES= statement you have in your
CONFIG.SYS file). After Ventura Publisher is through with the file
handles it requires, the printer device driver is left with only about
eight. This means a hard limit of about eight bit images per page when
using version 1.0 or 1.1, since each bit image file printed using those
versions of the printer drivers required on file handle (on a per page
basis). This limitation has been improved with version 2.0 drivers, wher
it limit becomes a maximum of about eight bit images intersected by any
scan line (horizontal traversal of the print head), rather than eight bi
images per page.

The second limit is less likely to be encountered -- a maximum of 64 bit
images per page in version 2.0. Sorry, but I can't remember if there was
an analogous limitation in version 1.0 or 1.1.

If you are running version 1.x, you might try to ascertain just what the
page limit is with your configuration (i.e., whether its eight per page
or slightly more or less) by printing a page consisting of about ten bit
images.

If you are running version 2.0 and are encountering bit image files whic
won't print even if alone on the page, please let me know (I've never
encountered any which will display on the screen but not print).

Hope this helps!

regards,
jg


Date: 12-26-88 (05:14)               Number: 355
  To: CHARLES COWENS                 Refer#: 346
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: KERNING ADJUSTMENTS            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Charles,

Ventura Publisher 2.0 includes a very handy utility called WIDTOVFM whic
works as you might expect, given the name: it will analyze a .WID file
and generate the .VFM files used to create it. I'm not sure which kind o
.WID files it can read, but suspect only the 2.0 variety. This shouldn't
be a problem, though, since older (1.0/1.1) .WID files can be read into
VP 2.0 and saved back out in the newer format.

regards,
jg


Date: 12-26-88 (05:24)               Number: 362
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF PERFORM2.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

************************  ATTENTION  ******************************

John Meyer of Ventura Software has uploaded PERFORM2.ARC, an updated
version of the VP version 2.0 Performance Guide. PERFORM2.ARC replaces
VP_PRFM.ARC which John uploaded earlier. The new guide is updated and
includes new information made available from the programmers at Ventura
Software.

Thanks John. We REALLY appreciate all the hard work you spent putting th
guide together.

...Gene

cc: John Meyer



Date: 12-26-88 (05:31)               Number: 366
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEW BBS SOFTWARE               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IMPORTANT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

New software for the Forum is going to be installed during the week
beginning the 15th of December. The existing system will be up and down
during the entire week as files are moved off the old system and placed
on the new one.

If you have trouble dialing in, try again after an hour or so. We'll try
to the existing system up as much as possible and will even disconnect
the mailer (Fido) system which normall runs between 12:30 AM to 3:20 AM.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (05:32)               Number: 367
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DAVE ERGO                        Read: YES
Subj: READING MESSAGES               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, is there any way I can read messages from the latest to earliest?
You suggested that I read a message before 817 to find out what happened
regarding the problems getting Steve R. and me signed up as registered
users, and it appears that I need to hit or miss on guessing where to
start.  I'd rather not have to go from 9 to 91 message 9 to 917 to get
current with what I have or have not seen.  Any suggestions?
Also:
is there any way I can scan messages, and just read the ones I'm
interested in?  I tried a couple of ways, but unless I'm missing
something obvious, I couldnt' get this to work.


Date: 12-26-88 (05:34)               Number: 368
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROB PANNONI                      Read: YES
Subj: LASERMASTER LX-6               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,

Thanks for the info on the LX-6 controller.  Lasermaster was taking
orders at Comdex (offering a special show price) without mentioning
that the product was not shipping.  That's why my customer thought
he could get a hold of one.  A Lasermaster sales rep told me that
they would begin shipping the end of December, but if the beta test
is just beginning I suspect that the real ship date is still a ways
away.  You know how marketing goes in the computer market--don't
believe it exists until you have it in your hand (and have tested
it to make sure it works).  It sounds like the product is worth
the wait, however.

--Rob Pannoni


Date: 12-26-88 (05:35)               Number: 369
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ROB PANNONI                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VP & APPLE LASERWRITER         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If anyone out there has experience printing a VP 2.0 postscript file
on an Apple Laserwriter, I could use some assistance.

Combining the instructions in the VP manual with those in the Laserwrite
manual we have come up with the following process, which worked once for
a short file but now doesn't seem to work at all:

1.  We change the dial on the printer to 9600 baud and reset the printer
(turn it off and on again).

2.  We use the mode command to set com1 to 9600 and redirect lpt1: to
com1.

3.  We copy the file DTR.TXT to lpt1.  We have tried this with and
without the /B binary switch on the copy command.

4.  We copy the file PS2.PRE to lpt1.  Again we have tried with and
without the /B switch.

5.  We copy our file, which Ventura gives an extension of .C00 to lpt1
with the /B switch.

The files seem to copy correctly (we used a breakout box to make sure
our cable was sending data) The light on the Laserwriter flashes to
indicate it is receiving data but nothing ever comes out of the printer.
We even waited several hours on the off chance that Postscript was
REALLY slow.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
--Rob Pannoni


Date: 12-26-88 (05:37)               Number: 370
  To: DAVE ERGO                      Refer#: 367
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: READING MESSAGES               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sure...just enter the message number you want to start at and the messag
will scroll forward.

If I ever get this new system up and running you'll be able to scroll
forwards and backwards through the messages. I wouldn't worry about
logging on right now. You will be able to get on to the new system when
it goes up using the same telephone number. You can leave me a message
then and I will update the user files accordingly. I gave up on trying t
note all these changes down. It's utter kaos here right now and they
would surely get lost.

The new system is up and running in test mode right now. When all the
bugs are out of the system we will connect one node to this telephone
number. I'm increasing access rights for everyone logging in right now.
After we get the bugs out of the new system, the user files will be
updated accordingly. Just don't worry about it.


Date: 12-26-88 (05:38)               Number: 372
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VUNA USERS                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

VUNA Users...if you're a member of the Ventura Users of North America,
please leave a message for the sysop. Your access rights will be
increased on the new system as members of the Ventura Publisher Users
Group.

Joint letters from VUNA and VPUG should reach you soon explaining the
change. The VUNA Letter will no longer be produced and your subscription
will be automatically converted. You should receive Ventura Professional
Magazine sometime around the first of the year.

If some of you are members of both VPUG and VUNA don't worry. VPUG is
making some form of arrangement to compensate you for your dual
membership. All will be explained in the package being prepared for
shipment now.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (05:41)               Number: 374
  To: ROB PANNONI                    Refer#: 369
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: VP & APPLE LASERWRITER         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Rob,

If you are using an old Apple LaserWriter (i.e., not the LaserWriter
Plus) you cannot use DOS COPY to output files to the printer -- unless
the files are fairly short. The problem with the old LaserWriter is that
it only understood XON/XOFF protocol and using DTR.TXT would have no
result. DOS, however, does not provide XON/XOFF protocol to the printer
whether you communicate directly to COM1: or to LPT1: via the mode
command -- it uses DTR flagging.

One possible solution if you're using an old LaserWriter is to
communicate directly from Ventura Publisher to the printer, instead of
writing to a file. This is possible because VP uses both XON/XOFF and DT
flagging. If you must write to a file, you can try reading the file back
into VP as an EPSF file and then outputting directly from VP.

If you are using a LaserWriter Plus, perform the following steps (which
are similar to the ones you outlined):

1.  Set the dial on the printer to 9600 baud. You should not have to
reset the printer, but doing so won't hurt.

2.  Use the mode command to set COM1: to 9600 baud. I would use
MODE COM1:96,n,8,1,p. No need to redirect LPT1: to COM1:.

3.  Copy DTR.TXT to COM1:. No need to use the /B switch on this copy or
on any other copy of PostScript code (it is all clear ASCII with nothing
in it that would be converted by DOS). Also note that once you've been
successful with this, don't ever copy DTR.TXT to the printer again. Doin
so will be redundant in that DTR.TXT contains commands which set the
flagging parameter in the LaserWriter Plus' non-volatile RAM -- i.e., th
information will be remember even if you turn the printer off, as long a
it doesn't remain turned off for very long (like months) periods of time

4.  Copy your .C00 file to COM1:. Note: don't copy PS2.PRE first -- it
should already be included in your .C00 file if it exists in the \VENTUR
directory. Again, no need to use /B.

If all of this fails, you might try the following (after setting up the
baud rate) to determine whether there is a cabling problem of some sort.
Enter the following exactly as indicated:

COPY CON: COM1:
showpage^D^Z

where ^D means control-D and ^Z means control-Z. The LaserWriter should
print a blank page for you.

Good luck!

regards,
jg


Date: 12-26-88 (05:44)               Number: 376
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: CHARLES COWENS                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: CHARACTER WIDTHS -- VFM'S      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

In looking at the .VFM files for my built-in PostScript typefaces I
noticed that width information is filled in for non-printing characters
above ASCII 219. Does anybody know what these entered widths control?


Date: 12-26-88 (05:45)               Number: 377
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TIMOTHY SHANNON                  Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: SIGMA VGA HI RES DRIVER        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Has any one tried to install Ventura Prof. Ver 2.0 with a Sigma VGA/H
graphic card?  Mine comes up in negative (black background and white
letters.  Any help in solving this would be appreciated.
Timothy M. Shannon
P.O. Box 1225
Kennesaw, GA 30144


Date: 12-26-88 (05:47)               Number: 378
  To: ROB PANNONI                    Refer#: 369
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: VP & APPLE LASERWRITER         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bob, The only PostScript printer, until recently, that we use at Ventura
Software is an Apple Laserwriter. The typical problem most people have
with any printer is the hardware connection. Serial connections should b
outlawed, in my opinion. When printing directly from Ventura Publisher t
the printer, you do not need to bother with DTR.TXT, MODE commands or
PS2.PRE files. If you own Ventura Publisher, try printing directly to
your printer before you start trying to print to a file and then copy
that file to the printer. If you cannot get Ventura Publisher to print
directly to your printer, and you really have the switch on the side of
the Laserwriter set to 9600 baud (it's tough to read sometimes), then I
suspect your cable. It has to be wired exactly as shown in the manual. A
straight serial cable will definitely not work.
..
Your breakout box can be used to adjust the wiring if necessary. Appendi
F shows the proper cabling (it is the same for the LaserJet and
LaserWriter.)
..
If you can get the printer to work correctly when printing directly from
Ventura Publisher, then you should follow the directions given in the
manual. Unless some other program reinitializes the printer, you should
only have to download the DTR.TXT file once. Next, if the PostScript fil
you created includes the Ventura Publisher prologue (which it will,
unless you deleted PS2.PRE from the VENTURA directory prior to printing
the file), you don't need to download the PS2.PRE file.
..
Probably the best troubleshooting aid you have is to download the
ERHANDLR.PS file to the printer. This file is located on the Utilities
Disk (#5 if you have 5 1/4" disks). To download, simply execute the
following: COPY A:\POSTSCPT\ERHANDLR.PS LPT1: /B.
..
The /B is optional since PostScript code is all ASCII. This file causes
the PostScript printer to print error messages if if receives informatio
that it does not recognize. This may give you a clue as to what is going
wrong.
..
To summarize, I suspect your problem is the cable. If it is not, then I
suspect that your file does not contain the PS2.PRE file or is not a
PostScript file. The best way to troubleshoot is to get the printer to
print directly from Ventura Publisher. This will verify the cable and th
baud rate setting. If it prints from Ventura Publisher, then either the
file is not correct, the DTR.TXT file is not being downloaded correctly,
or the MODE command parameters need to be adjusted.
..
good luck.


Date: 12-26-88 (05:47)               Number: 379
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: UPLOAD OF INT_SYSE.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
..
Lee put together some notes on the Internal System Error message. Feel
free to put this on the board if you think users would find it useful.
Otherwise, just keep it for your files. I should note that these error
messages seem to be quite rare, whereas in previous version they occurre
all too frequently. Two reasons for the improvement: 1) Lee reworked the
memory management and for Professional Extension completely changed it.
2) Lee added code which checks available memory when Ventura Publisher i
loading. If less than 100K is available (base product, no EMS), the
Ventura Publisher will not load, even though this is sufficient memory t
run the program (it can run with only 20-30K). The reason is that we
found with large documents and small amounts of memory it was possible
for certain temporary storage areas to overflow and corrupt memory. Lee
did extensive calculations, and with 100K available you should not be
able to overflow these storage areas. This eliminates memory corruption
which was the main reason for the ISE messages.


Date: 12-26-88 (05:49)               Number: 380
  To: TIMOTHY SHANNON                Refer#: 377
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: SIGMA VGA HI RES DRIVER        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Tim...I had a similar problem with a NEC MultiSync II monitor and a Vega
Video Deluxe VGA card. As it turned out, I didn't notice the second
screen of drivers for screens in VPPREP. After I installed the correct
driver, I had no more problems.

If John Grant sees this message, he may have some specific information
about your particular case. John writes the drivers for Ventura Publishe

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (05:49)               Number: 381
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 379
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: UPLOAD OF INT_SYSE.ARC         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks John...the file will really help isolate some of the odd ball
problems users are having. Note that most of the ISE messages
problems I have helped users with regarded their failure to read the
second page of the screen menu in VPPREP. VGA users have been
experiencing the most problems. Just too many combinations of monitors
and graphics cards out there.

I'm going to allow users to download the file and have made your
private message public since I feel it might help a few users understand
the process better.

Maybe Lee or Don can do something to highlight the note more or cause a
single letter to blink on the first screen page. Most of the users who
are having the problem are old timers. They just take it for granted tha
there is a single screen page. It happened to me during my first install
-- I never noticed the prompt on the bottom of the screen.

...Thanks again and please Thank Lee

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (05:53)               Number: 383
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MEL MINAMI                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: EMS DRIVER                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I NEED TO KNOW IF THERE IS AN EMS DRIVER FOR A CLONE 386 MACHINE WITH 2
MEGABYTES OF MEMORY ON THE MOTHERBOARD.  PLEASE REPLY AS SOON AS POSSIBL
MEL

cc: John Grant
    John Meyer



Date: 12-26-88 (05:57)               Number: 384
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE CASE                       Read: YES
Subj: JLASER                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi John
Thanks for the reply. Naturally I have another question.
If a user has PE, Jram and Jlaser, and adds 2Meg for a total of 4Meg
Jram, can he load the dictionary, VPPROF, and still print? This user
complicates things slightly by using a Wells American AT, which Tall Tre
states should be brought down to 512K and let Jram backfill, thus
slightly reducing the expanded memory available.
Have a good weekend.
Steve


Date: 12-26-88 (06:01)               Number: 385
  To: HOWARD WHITE                   Refer#: NONE
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: UNDOCUMENTED ERR MESSAGE       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Howard:

I get that message too. It's a funny message because it does not
seem to impair the operation of VP 2.0 at all.

Essentially, the "Text won't fit" message is notifying you that you
are trying to place a paragraph of text into a box or frame that is
not large enough to hold all of it. For instance, if you created a
Box Text graphic that was 1 inch tall, typed some text, and then
formatted the paragraph to have 1.5 inches of Space Above, you would
get the error. The box of text could not accommodate the paragraph
and its accompanying space. It will do the best it can (hence, no crash)
but it wants you to know that you're doing something that is at best,
unkosher, and at worst, a paragon of bad document design.

Hope this helps.




Rick Altman


Date: 12-26-88 (06:05)               Number: 386
  To: MEL MINAMI                     Refer#: 383
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: EMS DRIVER                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The two EMS drivers that we have used at Ventura Software are QEMM from
Quarterdeck Systems (they're in the LA area) and 386max from Qualitas
Software (they're in Bethesda, MD). QEMM has the advantage of only takin
1.5K of conventional memory to map calls into the EMS area. This is
remarkably small (by contrast, the CEMM driver that comes with Compaq an
the EMS driver sold with Intel Above boards take between 20K and 40K of
conventional memory).
..
The 386max product is one of those products that people whisper to each
other about ("hey . . . did you know about this neat little . . ."). The
reason it is neat is that it provides the extended to EMS mapping, the
XMS driver (the HIMEM.SYS equivalent which provides 64K additional
conventional memory for programs -- like Ventura Publisher -- that know
how to use it, AND lets you place CONFIG.SYS device drivers, TSRs, and
/or portions of Ventura Publisher into various "Hi-Memory" areas between
640K and 1M. It's got lots of configuration switches that are fun to pla
with.
..
Both QEMM and 386max seem to work quite well on our Compaq 386 machines.
I assume they will work on your machine as well, although you will have
to test that yourself. The advantage of QEMM is that it is small and
simple, and it puts you in contact with Quarterdeck who makes Desqview,
the multi-tasking DOS extension. You may find this capability
interesting. The advantage of 386max is that it gets more out of the
available memory in a 386 machine than any other program I know of.


Date: 12-26-88 (06:06)               Number: 387
  To: STEVE CASE                     Refer#: 384
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: JLASER                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have no idea how to answer your Jlaser memory question. The only thing
I can offer is that the Edco dictionary requires 1.2M bytes of EMS. Next
to have EMS for your document you need a minimum of 256K after all other
drivers (such as disk caches) and the dictionary are loaded. This means
you need 1.2M if you don't want to use any EMS for Ventura Publisher
itself (which means you'll still be disk swapping on long documents and
running out of memory with 16 color VGA drivers -- not a recommended
configuration), or 1.456M bytes if you want the minimum amount of EMS fo
Ventura Publisher after the dictionary has been loaded.
..
Since the JRAM driver is loaded before Ventura Publisher and the Jlaser
RAM is allocated at print time (I think), AND since Ventura Publisher
normally hogs all remaining EMS for itself when it loads, you will need
to restrict the amount of EMS memory which Ventura Publisher takes or
your JLaser won't work. This is done with the /E switch in the VPPROF.BA
file as described in the Professional Extension manual.


Date: 12-26-88 (06:09)               Number: 389
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JIM REYNOLDS                     Read: YES
Subj: MESSAGE UPLOAD                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

What's wrong I've uploaded many messages but when I try to send
one to your board it starts cycling through screen and the the
lines don't even start in message file I've used two different
comm. program with the same results.  Please advise, -JBR


Date: 12-26-88 (06:14)               Number: 392
  To: TONY FERRIS                    Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: QMAIL DOOR / QNET              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the info on InterLink and the Qmail door. Jim Fouch at Sleepy
Hollow just filled me in over the telephone and set up access so I could
play with the door tonight. Really appreciate the offer.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (06:15)               Number: 393
  To: MEL MINAMI                     Refer#: 383
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: EMS DRIVER                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I've been using the QEMM 386 expanded memory manager from Desqview for
the last three months. It works exceptionally well with Ventura and all
the other applications I've used and beta tested. The only quirk I've
found with it so far is some kind of imcompatability between it and the
Wyse 700 monitor. A checkerboard pattern appears on the screen when
Ventura, Publisher's Paintbrush and a few other graphics programs are
loaded on a system with the Wyse 700.

As for compatability with other monitors, it seems to have not other
problems. I've used VGA, Viking, Cornerstone, Verticom, and Multisync
monitors with the program with no problems. The current release of QEMM
only occupies 1.8K of lower memory and loads the balance of itself in
extended memory.

Note that this was the only 386 memory manager I found to work out of
about 30 I tested four months ago. It runs well on machines as fast as 3
Mhz.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (06:17)               Number: 395
  To: JIM REYNOLDS                   Refer#: 389
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: MESSAGE UPLOAD                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If your trying to upload an ASCII file to the message base containing
ANSI characters or if the number of chararacters per line exceeds 72, th
system will balk. You'll have a similar problem on the new system also.

Most bulletin boards have added features in recent months which prohibit
the uploading of ANSI advertisements and messages in excess of 72 lines.

If your file has the required amount of characters per line and has no
other ANSI information, something is wrong somewhere. Note that I
routinely upload messages to the board and text files using the ASCII
technique with little or no problems. I'm using Telix. What modem and
ASCII parameters are you using?

I'll do some testing with your configuration, if you let me know what it
is.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (06:20)               Number: 398
  To: CARLA MCGEE                    Refer#: 339
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: BBS INSTRUCTIONS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Carla...when the new system goes up, we will be adding a private
conference area for VPUG. You'll also have special access and a private
telephone number to call in on. The number and conference are reserved
for inter-chapter communications. We'll be placing a lot of information,
plus all of our training and workshop files in the conference for
downloading. I'll leave amessage when the new system goes up. Keep the
number and password to yourself, Carol and whatever other officers you
have. I've made special arrangements for BBS sysops on another line, so
you can pass this information on to David Treweek.

The conference area is going to be your back door for communicating
information directly to us, Xerox and Ventura Software. Keep this
information secret. We're trying to develop a world-wide communication
system, so the heads of different chapters can communicate with one
another. When the new system goes on-line you'll have the ability to
teleconference with up to 5 users at the same time.

Thanks...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (06:23)               Number: 399
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 378
From: ROB PANNONI                      Read: NO
Subj: VP & APPLE LASERWRITER         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to the problem we were
having with the Apple Laserwriter.  Apparently, our problem was that
the printer didn't like the office it was in.  We moved the printer to
a different office using the exact same cable and steps and it worked
fine!

I don't suppose we'll ever know what the real problem was, but we have
a few guesses:

1.  Somehow the printer got set to the wrong mode (it is also used on
an Appletalk network) to receive or process our file.  We noticed that
when we rebooted the computer the light on the Laserwriter blinked for
several minutes--some kind of initialization I assume.  Perhaps we sent
a file while it was still initializing?

2.  The breakout box we were using was acting strange.  There may have
been a short in it that affected our cable.

3.  Perhaps there was a loose connector on our cable that managed to
make a better connection when we moved the printer.

The third option is probably the most likely.  Anyway, thanks again for
the prompt response.

--Rob Pannoni

cc: John Meyer



Date: 12-26-88 (06:25)               Number: 400
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JIM REYNOLDS                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEC P6 PRINTER                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is anybody out there using a Nec P6 printer?  I just installed
Ver. 2.0 and set it up for the Epson LQ driver only to find out
that after printing the first page the following sheet is
printing 1/2 inch lower and it keeps doing this sequence on all
the following sheets.  So by the time you get to page 5 you're 2
inches lower on your top margin setting.  This should be the case
on any LQ 1500 also.  I've called Xerox tech support on this and
I'm waiting to hear back on this matter.  If anyone's having the
same problem I would like to hear from you.  I never got to use
Ver. 1.1 because they didn't support the Nec P series then I got
the upgrade notice from Xerox in Oct. this year and was elated to
hear they supported the Nec P series then after purchasing the
upgrade I find their only emulating not supporting.  I explained
this to Xerox also that there was a vast difference between the
two words.  I'm not griping I'm just trying to get to use the
program I purchased.
                 --------------------------------
FUTHER NOTES: I downloaded the file VenturP5.arc knowing all
along that it was probably for Ver. 1.1 as it was. Anyway after
looking it over I copied the driver and width table over to the
ventura dir and set the preference option up to use the NecP5
driver with the output.wid table that comes with Ver. 2.0 and
Walla it worked great on a chapter file that I had gotten that
wouldn't print properly with the LQ driver plus it didn't feed
another sheet in when it finished printing like the LQ driver
does which is very irritating to say the least.  The file I used
was done in Ver. 2.0 with the Swiss & Dutch fonts. Therefore I
have found the problem.  It's in the LQ driver supplied with 2.0
as I had expected.  In closing it would be nice to see the above
mentioned file updated for Ver. 2.0     -JBR

cc: John Meyer



Date: 12-26-88 (11:22)               Number: 402
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DICK CAMPBELL                    Read: YES
Subj: VPSCREEN.ARC                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

This morning I downloaded VPSCREEN.ARC and extracted the
.DOC and .EXE files. VPSCREEN will not load any .EGA fonts
which I have - from the BitStream generator - and I am
wondering if it's me or the file is corrupt. Mine
says VPSCREEN.EXE 17,026 3-02-88 6:12AM (that's real
enthsiasm for ya!). Any similar complaints?? Thanks for
your quick reply to my most recent query.
Dick Campbell


Date: 12-26-88 (11:26)               Number: 403
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: NONE
From: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                  Read: YES
Subj: WY700 DRIVER FOR VP 2.0        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John, I just loaded VP 2.0 (plus professional exztension) on my computer
(a 286 machine). I find that the new VGA driver for the WY 700 monitor
has a new aspect ratio. It is about 10% less in vertical height than the
previous EGA driver. This is a major problem for me. I have designed
dozens of commercial manuals so that the text page, minus headers and
footers, fits on the WY700 in normal view. Is there any way I can remedy
this situation? Can I load the WY700 EGA driver with VP 2.0? On this
monitor I don't see a grat difference in the screen fonts. If you cannot
help with this, could you pass the message along to the appropriate
person?
Many thanks, Alan Blumenthal


Date: 12-26-88 (11:34)               Number: 405
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 297
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: YES
Subj: MESSAGE BASE CORRUPTION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, uploaded vmb.arc (Ventura Message Base) I arc'ed to arc files, you
message base of late Nov., and early Dec. I may have done some editing o
these files to clean up prompts, etc.


Date: 12-26-88 (11:41)               Number: 406
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: NONE
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: YES
Subj: EPSON LQ2550 DRIVER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John Grant and John Meyer.  I am having problems in two areas.  I am
transporting GEM files to Ventura from Case Technology Schematic
Capture, and I can't get Ventura 2.0 to print on the full page (11 X 17)
on an Epson LQ2550.  I get about 5 inches of white space on the right
side of the paper.

Second, the Epson is capable of 350 x 350 dpi, but Ventura only does 200
x 200 dpi. Any chance of getting a device driver for 25 pin printers,
especially the LQ2550? Thanks for any help.

Dick Worth, San Mateo Ventura Publisher Users Group. Emerald Lake/MPG
BBS located in Redwoord City, [phone] (DATA) Supporting Ventura
in the Mid-San Fransisco Peninsula.


Date: 12-26-88 (11:46)               Number: 407
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 372
From: PHILIP BURTON                    Read: YES
Subj: VUNA USERS                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,

I recently paid $29 for a VUNA membership, option 1.  My invoice is date
11/28/88, and is number 2634.  I haven't received anything from VUNA yet
 I assume that with this change, I will automatically qualify for
"membership" status on this board.

By the way, I recently called the office, and requested a copy of the
VPUG membership form.  I haven't received it yet.

cc: Philip Burton


Date: 12-26-88 (11:51)               Number: 409
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 386
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: EMS DRIVER                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Mel:

I echo the comments of Gene R. and John M. -- the QEMM-386 driver is
exceptionally powerful and reliable. If you are interested in an
elaboration, I am halfway through a multi-part series of articles
in Computer Currents magazine, where I am focusing on multi-windowing
programs like Desqview, and its companion EMS driver, QEMM.

If you are here in Northern California, Computer Currents is easy
to obtain; otherwise, if you're interested, you could call
[phone].

Happy memory managing...




Rick Altman


Date: 12-26-88 (11:55)               Number: 410
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MARK WORSNOP                     Read: YES
Subj: LOGIN                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello again.... several weeks ago i logged into this system and i though
became a member. I also told you my wife (Cheri) gets the magazine and t
please chg the login time to reflect that. I havent been around for a fe
weeks (since the initial few times) and no find my login had to be re
done.  did i do something wrong? anyway thought youd like to know and ps
up the login time limit.  thanx!

also a question i have on fonts... when i last sent mail to you you told
me to read the end of the manual on installing fonts found on thie bbs.
did and think i get it all but you also said there would be an article i
a magazine soon. has that come out yet and i am blind and havent seen it
or what? did i remember wrong.  would like some more help (reading
material) before i feel comfortable with the font stuff... also if i can
get the fonts from this bbs why does one need to buy the expensive
commercial packages?

finally i orderd 2.0 ventura many weeks ago and still havent seen it....
is this cause for concern yet? i guess they are probably slow?


Date: 12-26-88 (12:02)               Number: 411
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROGER FIRTH                      Read: YES
Subj: USER DATABASE                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, hi there.  I've been calling the board for about a month now, but
haven't called for the last week.  Today, I find I'm not in the user
database any more.  Is this normal?  Have I missed something?
Yours, perplexed, Roger


Date: 12-26-88 (12:03)               Number: 412
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: ROGER FIRTH                      Read: NO
Subj: USER DATABASE (MORE)           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, since sending you 997, I think I see you've had a crash and lost a
load of system files; hence the re-registration.  Fair enough - but
couldn't you alter the startup banner to warn nervous users like me that
a re-register is necessary and not to panic?
Cheers, ROger


Date: 12-26-88 (12:05)               Number: 413
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 386
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: NO
Subj: EMS DRIVER                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John,
What about QEMS-386? Do you know how that one works? And what is the
price of 386max? QEMS-386 is about $40.00. I been looking into buying an
EMS driver but can not make up my mind yet.


Date: 12-26-88 (12:06)               Number: 414
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: ARABIC FONT                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The July 1987 issue of 'Communication of ACM' had an article about Arabi
and Hebrew word processing. I've seen some Hebrew fonts but not Arabic
fonts. Does anyone know of some PS Arabic fonts?


Date: 12-26-88 (12:07)               Number: 415
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: DELETING MESSAGES              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
How do I delete a message after it has been sent. I answered a message
using R option, saved it, and a few messages later I found the answer I
was looking for and decided to delete the message. The help menue says
that I can use D option but none exist!


Date: 12-26-88 (12:11)               Number: 416
  To: HOWARD WHITE                   Refer#: NONE
From: DICK CAMPBELL                    Read: YES
Subj: UNDOCUMENTED ERR MESSAGE       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Howard/Rick - same experience with "This frame has ...(too big)"
except that I get it consistantly when using a 1.1 file in
2.0. The message appears even with pure graphics frames!. If I
redo the document starting with 2.0, using the same text features
and tags in the same frame sizes, the message does not appear.
My poor little mouse is exhausted and has a black and blue left
eye from hitting the OK box so often - and, as you say, the doc
seems to print just fine.

Here is another buglet (I love that word!) If you try to close
an expression using the VPPROF equation generator with a right
brace '}' ($7D) is always comes out '|' ($7C). Where did that
itty bitty bit go?
Dick Campbell

cc: Rick Altman



Date: 12-26-88 (12:16)               Number: 417
  To: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                Refer#: 403
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: WY700 DRIVER FOR VP 2.0        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Alan...copy your existing VP.BAT or VPPROF.BAT file and assign it anothe
name like VPW.BAT or VPPROFW.BAT. Then do a partial install on Ventura a
a Hercules device. This will place the required EGA fonts in your
directory. Afterwards, copy the WYSE driver file in your VENTURA
directory and change the file extension from VGA to EGA. Copy the VPPROF
or VPW.BAT file over VP.BAT or VPPROF.BAT whichever the case may be. The
open VP.BAT or VPPROF.BAT with an ASCII file editor and change the VGA
extension on the line beginning with the word DRVRMRGR to EGA. Save the
file off and load Ventura.

Double check your printer info box to determine if it now says EGA in th
Screen field. After reading EGA and if the EGA fonts are in the
directory, the screen will return to the original dimensions you used fo
V1.1. You can also start Ventura either way by executing VP or VPW.

As an alternate solution, you can just reinstall Ventura as a Hercules
device to transfer the fonts and manually change the file extension in
the Printer Info box to EGA. Either way works. The initial method gives
you the ability to use either type of fonts by starting Ventura with
different batch files.


Date: 12-26-88 (12:18)               Number: 418
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: 405
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: MESSAGE BASE CORRUPTION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick...Thanks, I'll take a look right away to see if some of the missing
messages are in there. Note one thing that I discovered a few hours ago.
The cause of the crash has something to do with ASCII file uploads into
a message. I contacted the individual who was last on when the system
went down and he indicates that he was attempting to answer a message to
another user when the crash occurred. The missing messages spanned from
the new message back through to the older message. The entire area was
filled with garbage or the total absense of message data. The problem di
not infuence the message headers or the files controlling the threading,
although we had though they had. Jim Harrer knows about this. I told him
what I though had caused the problem and he suspected that my theory
could hold water since the problem, although reported before, has not
been reproducable.

Anyway, just to be on the save side in the future, I'm going to be
backing up the message base multiple times per day using a background
program I got from Alpha Micro down south.

Thanks again...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (12:21)               Number: 419
  To: PHILIP BURTON                  Refer#: 407
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VUNA USERS                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Philip...I'll check with VPUG to see why the membership form never went
through, but this might not be necessary. VUNA is shutting down
operations and has asked VPUG to take over its membership. Everyone is
working on doing so, however everything is taking time. Bob Moody holds
this as a high priority on VPUGs current schedule and two people are
attempting to merge the VUNA membership listing into our database system

In the meantime, you'll have access to the board as a VPUG member.
Although you really won't notice much of a change until the new system
goes on line. Presently, I'm waiting for the telephone company to finish
connecting their lines up and down my street. They are running about two
weeks late on this and are having all kinds of problems. According to my
schedule, the new system should have went on line on the 15th.

You can call VPUG directly if you like by dialing 408-227-5030 or
227-5068. Ask for Sonya or Christina. They will help you out. As soon as
the new BBS lines go in, I will have a tech support line here and can
help directly. Until then, leave a message on either of the two lines I
indicated earlier and I'll give you a call if you need help.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (12:26)               Number: 421
  To: MARK WORSNOP                   Refer#: 410
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: LOGIN                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Yes you are a member, however we had a message base system crash on the
board which has effected just about everything else. We lost about 200
user names becuase the file format used on the software in use at the
time was not compatible with the older software version we are now using
A new system will be going on line very soon and your name is on the lis

The font article we spoke about is being released in the Font Directory.
This is a special book VPUG plans to release annually. The schedule date
for release of the directory has slipped several times. The recent
product releases at Comdex Fall changed quite a few things and VPUG is
attempting to update much of the information and add about 80 font
samples. As it now stands, the book is about 250 pages. We'll get it out
as soon as possible. I may place some articles on-line here to help
clarify things. One of these is a better explanation of the Appendix K
data. It is insufficient for most work. The Ventura utilities are much
more modular and easier to use than the appendix would seem to indicate.

I'll try to get the articles on-line here, but for right now getting the
board on-line has the highest priority.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (12:28)               Number: 422
  To: MARK WORSNOP                   Refer#: 410
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: LOGIN                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Mark...Read back through the messages for correspondence about this
entire mess of shipping VP 2.0 to users. Many users were a little more
than ticked when Xerox shipped the software to dealers before users. Joh
Meyers from Ventura software responded by leaving a special address on
the board for complaining about the problem. Note that Ventura Software
was not too tickled about the delay either.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (12:29)               Number: 423
  To: ROGER FIRTH                    Refer#: 411
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: USER DATABASE                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry Roger...but we've had a message base problem which has had an
effect on both our user and files database. We should be back to normal
in about a week or so, but will be using different software. Also note
that the subscriber lines (tele) will be changing soon. The new system
will go on-line with three, four or five lines depending on how fast I
can get everything tested and running.



Date: 12-26-88 (12:31)               Number: 424
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 414
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: ARABIC FONT                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Morad...on the Hebrew fonts, try calling NeoScribe International at
203-467-9880. They have three fonts that I know about under the titles:
Laser Hebrew, Macsans and Macslab. These were originally produced for
the MAC and they may now have their PC versions ready.

So far, I have not found any PostScript fonts for Arabic, Armenian and a
host of other languages. I know they exist -- just can't find a vendor
for them. If you learn anything, please let me know. I'll continue to pu
some feelers out and I'll talk to some vendors in Texas which have
offices in the Mid-East and Europe.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (12:31)               Number: 425
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 414
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: ARABIC FONT                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Here's one other lead for you Morad. In England, a product is sold calle
VUWRITER. It is a multi-language word processing system which uses HP
Softfonts and possibly PostScript fonts. They claim to have fonts for
almost evey language including about 20 or so Chinese dialects. They hav
a rep in the east coast and I'll try to find out who this is.


Date: 12-26-88 (12:32)               Number: 426
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 415
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: DELETING MESSAGES              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Morad...sorry about that, but I've disconnected the Kill option on
Wildcat due to our recent problem on Wildcat. When the new system goes u
soon, only the conference moderators will have the ability to delete
messages. The reason we are doing this is becuase our message threads ar
being continually broken and a lot of really good information is getting
deleted from the system by users who do not understand what we are tryin
to accomplish here. Hopefully, we'll develop a system soon which gives
users some ability to delete some messages without breaking the message
threads. Until then, I've got to leave that option disconnected. However
if you find the message and leave the #, I'll delete it for you.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (12:33)               Number: 427
  To: DICK CAMPBELL                  Refer#: 416
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: UNDOCUMENTED ERR MESSAGE       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick...Everyone at VPUG has been experiencing that problem when loading
1.1 files into 2.0. We have a theory about this but are not sure if it
holds any water. In all of out cases, the offending frame touched either
the header or footer repeating frames. We're assuming that this is
triggering the message or that the latest device drivers are different
enough from those of 1.1 to cause the problem. Note that the message als
occurs if you change from say an EGA system to a VGA syste, (.i.e. chang
the monitor and graphics board.)

Interesting problems and very aggravating...


Date: 12-26-88 (13:43)               Number: 430
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: BOB TRACY                        Read: YES
Subj: VERSION 2.0                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have several questions regarding Version 2.0.

1.   The defualt in the Print menu is "CURRENT". Can this be changed,
     permanently, to "ALL".

2.   I'm using the Professional Extension to make tables using your new
     utility.  I would like to use a text file to fill in the form.  (I
     now use your so-called Vertical Tabs and tag the deepest paragraph
     to contain a ruling line under the width of the frame). This way,
     a text file will flow into the form the same as a long text file
     into the frame. Can I do something similar with the new form
     utility?

3.   I use a portable computer coupled to an overhead projector for
     demonstrations at my VPUG meetings as well as for teaching
     purposes. This computer has no extended/expanded memory. Can I
     load Version 2?  Can I load the Professional Extension without
     the hyphenation dictionary? If I can load either or both, which
     features will I be able to demonstrate?

4.   I now replace the VP.INF (VPPROF.INF) file with one which was saved
     with my preferred defaults.  I notice that two other .INF files are
     included in the \VENTURA directory, (EGAFHDR.INF and EGAFSTR.INF).
     What are these files used for?  Should I think about replacing them
     also?

5.   I sometimes modify the .CHP file using an ASCII text editor. I have
     noticed that the last character in each line is hidden. Is this a
     space, ASCII 255, or other character?  It would be useful to know.

6.   Ca (will) you offer definitive explanations of the table of values
     which appears under the Desk/Publisher Info/Ventura menu?

Thank you,

Bob Tracy,
Tracy TypeService
1873 Dewayne Ave.
Camarillo, CA 93010
[phone]

The Ventura County VPUG (meets at) California Lutheran University, 60
Olsen Road, Thousand Oaks, CA 91360, every 4th Tuesday at 7:00 pm in the
Pearson Library.


Date: 12-26-88 (13:49)               Number: 431
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN FINLAYSON                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: SCREEN FONT REDRAW BLUES       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

    After installing Ventura 2.0 (and the Professional Extension),
and before anything else, I created the screen fonts for our biweekly.
I had made the same screen fonts for 1.1 (but for ega, not vga).  To
my chagrin, the screen now takes forever to redraw text screens,
pausing to grind away at the hard disk for a second or two as it
encounters each font on the page.  I thought the screen fonts were
put in memory.  Compared to version 1.1, this is intolerably slow.
    We've got 1.4 Mbytes of EMS memory, and EDCO hyphenation is not
installed.  Anybody have a clue what's going on here?  If not, we
just may end up shelving 2.0 (and the Professional Extension) and
going back to the old version.

John.



Date: 12-26-88 (13:52)               Number: 432
  To: DICK CAMPBELL                  Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: FRAME TEXT WON'T FIT           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Version 2.0 now checks to see if any frames or if any Box Text have been
made so small as to not allow any text to be placed within them. Many
people with version 1.1 chapters had appararently created box text
instead of using rectangles and made them very small, without any text.
Some created frames, typed something in them and then made them very
narrow. In any event, we added the alert to do two things:
..
1. Warn people that they may have made a frame too small and therefore
will not print text that they may have entered.
2. Stop the system from formatting infinitely from page to page when you
specify a crazy value for a paragraph, such as 24 INCHES above space
instead of 24 points. This setting, and similar blunders, could cause
Ventura Publisher to take off chasing after the last page in the documen
without ever stopping to put any text on the page. While the solution wa
to simply hit the ESC key and then change the offending paragraph tag,
this was not obvious to most people, so we added the alert.
..
If you get this alert, you should first check each frame on the offendin
page and make sure that one has not inadvertendly been collapsed into a
very small frame. Do the same with Box Text (remember in version 2.0 you
can now access BOTH frames and box text while in the Graphic mode).
..
Next, check the attributes for Body Text and then for any other paragrap
tag on the page.
..
It is possible we may have a bug, as Gene mentioned in his reply to you.
If so, it probably has to do with an interaction between a frame or box
text that you draw and one of the repeating frames that Ventura Publishe
generates (i.e., footers, headers, footnotes). We have not verified this
and it may be pure speculation.
..
If anyone has a SMALL chapter that exhibits this message which you canno
determine to be the result of a too-small frame or box text, or an
incorrect tag setting, please upload it and we'll take a look.


Date: 12-26-88 (13:53)               Number: 433
  To: BOB TRACY                      Refer#: 430
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: VERSION 2.0                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

1. There is no way to make the Print menu remember a default other than
current page.
..
2. I don't understand your request for form fill-in with the Professiona
Extension.
..
3. Note to all users: Both the base product and the Professional
Extension will run without EMS memory. The press has been very confused
on this point. The base product will use up to about 100K of EMS for
loading portions of the GEM system software. However, it cannot use EMS
for temporary buffers or for the documents itself. The Professional
Extension can use up to 32M bytes of EMS for the document. The only thin
that REQUIRES EMS is the Edco hyphenation dictionary. This requires 1.2M
byte of EMS. If you don't feel you need this or don't have EMS memory,
you can just use the hyphenation algorithms, just like you always have
done. Having said all this, if the budget permits, buy at least 256K of
EMS. Ventura Publisher runs a lot faster with long documents. You won't
notice any difference with shorter documents. Also, EMS memory lets you
run with the 16 color VGA or EGA drivers, or the gray-scale VGA driver.
..
4. The EGA INF files remember screen font information from the Set
Printer Info dialog box. Probably a good idea to copy them, although not
really necessary.
..
5. You can run either the Professional Extension, the base product, or
both on any machine. If you load the Professional Extension after loadin
the base product, the following files are added to your VENTURA
directory: VPPROF.APP, VPPROF.RSC, VPPROF.RS1, VPPROF.OVR, PRNTBL.EXE ,
PRN2TBL.LOD, and a few more screen fonts. To run Ventura Publisher base
product you type VP; type VPPROF to run Professional Extension. You can
demonstrate all features of either product, except the hyphenation
dictionary.
..
6.  If you edit the CHP files, do not delete the last character on each
line. It is important! The character is a space, not an ASCII 255.
..
7. I don't plan to document any of the undocumented diagnostic
information. This is an exercise left to the user . . .


Date: 12-26-88 (13:54)               Number: 434
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF ENDNOTE.ARC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
..
I've uploaded the first in what I hope will be a series of application
notes about topics users have expressed interest in.


Date: 12-26-88 (13:59)               Number: 435
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: MARK DEFELICE                    Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am a subscriber to the magazine, what do I need to do to get full time
one the board?


Date: 12-26-88 (14:12)               Number: 440
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 433
From: BOB TRACY                        Read: YES
Subj: VERSION 2.0                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dear John,

Thanks for your prompt reply.
I am downloading "STUFF.ARC" arc'd with PKARC.
This file contains two different tables of the type I mentioned. Please
look
at the .TXT files to see that they have been formatted in an ASCII text
editor
and they "fall-in" to the table. Also the horizontal line in the
procedure is
controlled by the depth of the description paragraph in that it is drawn
as a
ruling line under.
Both these files print in VP 2.0.

New question - Is there any plan to include an automatic date and/or tim
stamp? (that is - grab the system date and allow its use).

Thanx,
Bob Tracy
Ventura VPUG




Date: 12-26-88 (14:14)               Number: 441
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 421
From: MARK WORSNOP                     Read: NO
Subj: LOGIN                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,

Thanks for responding to my mail so promptly. Appreciate knowing whats
going on.  I agree with you getting the BBS up is alot more important
than acticles on fonts etc... this BBS looks great! Thanx for all the
work.

Another question if you dont mind, send me in the correct direction if i
am asking the wrong person. We sent in the the $$ and the forms for the
2.0 update quite awhile ago amd still havent received anytthing? Any
ideas?
Should I start calling or what?


Date: 12-26-88 (14:17)               Number: 444
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: MARK DEFELICE                    Read: YES
Subj: LEVEL                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I mentioned in another message, listed under Mark DEFELICE, that
i live in Italy. I have helped a number of people there with
Ventura.  If we got a group going in Bologna, could we get access to a
private line so that we could all easier?  I read that there is a
group at Milan. Do they ever call the board?  It would be a shame
for me to call from Bologna if they are calling with some of the same
things from Milano.  I'll check back in a day or two to see if something
could be worked out.  Thanks.  I just wish the calls were cheaper,
I'd get involved in forums, etc, but from there that is not realistic.
Thanks, and a truly merry Christmas.  (Buon Natale)


Date: 12-26-88 (14:21)               Number: 445
  To: MARK WORSNOP                   Refer#: 441
From: SYSOP                            Read: NO
Subj: LOGIN                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Mark...Chris Johnson and Jim Alexander, two VPUG members, have expressed
their concern about Xerox's policy about sending Version 2.0 to dealers
before users. John Meyer from Ventura Software who monitors the Forum on
a routine basis spotted the messages and joined the message thread. Sinc
then, quite a few other users have put in their two cents worth.

John Meyer has posted a address where users can write letters directly t
the Xerox officer responsible for this policy. Do a scan on the message
base to find the ones I speak about, leave a message if you wish and sen
a letter to Xerox. Hopefully, they will try to upgrade users in the same
fashion as other companies. You should also contact the Xerox address th
package was to be shipped from, just in case it got lost in transit.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (14:23)               Number: 448
  To: MARK DEFELICE                  Refer#: 444
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: LEVEL                          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry...the software will only accept two word names. The same is true o
the new software we are about to place online. If you want, you can ente
your name as Mark De_Felice. The BBS software will treat the underline
character as part of the name. I hope to make modifications soon which
will correct this problem.

Just for your information, our magazine is about to be reprinted in Ital
in Italian. You can call 408-227-5030 for the telephone number and
address of the VPUG organization in Italy. They also plan to start a
bulletin board system sometime in the near future.

...Gene
Mark...when our new PCBoard system goes online, we will be installing a
special door program which will allow you to call the Forum and download
all messages since your last call. A special reader will be avaiable
which will allow you to read the messages on your own computer system an
respond to them. You can then call the Forum later to upload your
responses and download the next batch of mail. Facilities will also be
available for downloading compressed copies of any bulletins or
newsletters which changed and files as well.

When the new system goes online, check the NEWUSER conference area for
the special Reader software, documentation on using it and other
information you might find useful.

As for the second group, you might want to call 408-227-5068 while you
are here in the states and speak to Sonya Jackson or Carroll Baker. Both
of these ladies have a thorough understanding of all activities currentl
occurring in Europe. They can give you telephone numbers and contacts
which you can use to broaden the scope of your user's group.

If you wish to keep your group independent, please let us know. We will
print your groups address and telephone numbers in every issue of the
magazine. It's our policy to distribute information about Ventura
Publisher to anyone interested in it, even competing groups and
non-affiliated groups.



Date: 12-26-88 (14:27)               Number: 451
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RON BETZ                         Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: QMS LASER PRINTER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am interested in buying a postscript laser printer for ventura and hav
seen literature on the PS 800-II and the PS 810
I would like to know which of these two would be the better choice and i
anyone has had any experience with either of these printers. How is the
print quality? How about speed in postscript mode? are the blacks dark
and solid? Please help me with any information on these or other printer
that are similar to these. ----- Thanks.  Ron Betz


Date: 12-26-88 (14:28)               Number: 452
  To: JOHN FINLAYSON                 Refer#: 431
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: SCREEN FONT REDRAW BLUES       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John:

The answer is DISK CACHING. A tiny little disk cache program
will solve your problem completely. Ventura does not place screen
fonts into memory past a certain point (unless you ask it to take
more memory from conventional RAM and allocate it to screen fonts
by using the /F switch in VP.BAT).

You can place screen fonts into memory yourself by using a disk
cache. Most of the good ones (FLASH, VCACHE, DCACHE) take up very
little conventional memory and allow you to create caches in expanded
memory. With your EMS capacity, you could create a 1 Mb EMS disk cache
and Ventura would never go out to the hard drive again, except to save.

As a consultant, I recommend disk caching programs to virtually all of
my clients. If you want more information, you could call me at (415)
962-9270.






Rick Altman


Date: 12-26-88 (14:30)               Number: 453
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 418
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: NO
Subj: USER PROBLEM                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I received this question from John Finlayson. Can some one help me answe
it.
"  After installing ver 2.0 before anything else, I created the screen
fonts for out bi-weekly. To my chagrin, the screen now takes forever to
redraw text screens, pausing to grind away at the hard disk----  (He say
it is slow)   Any solutions?     Thanks....  He has 1.4 mb of EMS , and
EDCO hyphenation is not installed.


Date: 12-26-88 (14:34)               Number: 454
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: USER QUESTION                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I received this question from John Finlayson. Can someone help me answer
it?

"After installing version 2.0 before anything else, I created the screen
fonts for our bi-weekly. To my chagrin, the screen fonts now take
forever to redraw text screens, pausing to grind away at the hard disk
--- (He says it is slow) Any Solutions?  Thanks...  He has 1.4 Mb of EMS
and the EDCO hyphenation dictionary is not installed.


Date: 12-26-88 (14:35)               Number: 455
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VENTURA CRASH                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have installed ver 2.0, everything has worked fine for 3 weeks. All of
a sudden the folling problem occured.
I load a gem file to print out. The print goes just fine, at the finish
get a fatal crash,  "Fatal Error! The GEM VDI screen driver couldn't be
loaded"     Needless to say I must do a hard re-boot.
My free memory is 595,216     My config.sys    =
files=30     buffers=30
device= harddrive.sys
device= ansi.sys
There are no resident programs.  I tried erasing all the .inf files from
the Ventura directory.           Any solutions?       Dick...


Date: 12-26-88 (14:37)               Number: 456
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: DAMON KLETZIEN                   Read: NO
Subj: NO CREDIT FOR UPLOADS          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have uploaded two files in the last month, one earlier this week...but
still get the message about needing to upload a files for further
downloading rights.! ! Maybe it's because of the the early Dec.
crash...and the current work to  replace the present board...but thought
it best to check.  Maybe my uploads are not really working! Send me a
note! Thanks! Christmas greetings, Damon Kletzien p.s. Really like VPG
BBS!


Date: 12-26-88 (14:49)               Number: 459
  To: RON BETZ                       Refer#: 451
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: QMS LASER PRINTER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ron...I forwarded a copy of your message to Rick Altman. If I'm not
mistaken, he's using a PS 810-II.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (14:56)               Number: 460
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: RELAY MAIL                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick...Kip Compton has a version of the Relay Mail door which interfaces
to Wildcat. I'll have the door and a reader for it on line when the new
system goes up. You can install the door on your system and download the
messages faster than you can read then or copy them to a capture file. I
transmits the messages in arced format, so the accompanying reader
software decompresses the messages and allows you to read them on your
own computer system. You can also respond to the messages and upload the
responses during your next session. It should save a considerable amount
of communications costs.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (14:56)               Number: 461
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: 454
From: SYSOP                            Read: NO
Subj: USER QUESTION                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick...download the file, PERFORM2.ARC, from Ventura Software. It
contains performance guidelines for speeding up Ventura in cases like
your users.

John Meyer at Ventura Software plans to periodically update this file to
add the latest information. It supercedes John's earlier release of the
performance guide (VP_PRFM.ARC).

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (14:57)               Number: 462
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: 455
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA CRASH                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick...make sure that the screen driver specified in the VP.BAT file
exists in the \VENTURA directory. The filename and extension should be
identical. I've seen that message occur for several reasons. I can happe
if the user changes the screen font file extension in the Printer Infor
dialog box if the specified screen fonts do not exist. Usually, you get
this message if GEM cannot find the correct screen driver for the
currently selected set of screen fonts.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (14:58)               Number: 463
  To: DAMON KLETZIEN                 Refer#: 456
From: SYSOP                            Read: NO
Subj: NO CREDIT FOR UPLOADS          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Damon...you should be able to continue downloading files even if the
messages continue to be displayed. We'll take care of the file accountin
when the new system goes up next week. We've been focusing almost all ou
attention on getting the new system up and many of the Wildcat files
desperately need updating.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (15:01)               Number: 465
  To: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                Refer#: 403
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: WY700 DRIVER FOR VP 2.0        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Alan,

Sorry I was unable to respond quickly to your message. The information
Gene gave you is correct. The size of a logical page displayed on the
screen is based on several things, the most important being the size (in
pixels) of the screen font being used. The VGA fonts used with the 2.0
are larger (in pixels) than the EGA fonts, causing the logical page to b
larger and, therefor, the amount displayed on the screen to be less. As
Gene indicated, using the EGA fonts is the key.

regards,
jg
(Thanks Gene!)

cc: Gene Rodrigues



Date: 12-26-88 (15:04)               Number: 467
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: 406
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: EPSON LQ2550 DRIVER            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick,

Sounds to me like a bug in the LQ driver. Unfortunately, I won't be able
to take a look at it for quite a while, as I will be out of town until
around the third week of January. I've made a note to myself to take a
look, but you may want to remind me...

The 24 pin drivers are written for 180x180 dpi, even though the printers
are capable of 360x360. There were two reasons for this: first, printing
at 360x360 would take much, much longer than at 180x180 (possibly four
times as long); second, 360 dpi fonts would be required, which would not
only be enormous and tough to distribute, but would also impose a font
size limitation which would probably be unacceptable (I would guess no
larger than 24 points -- a limitation imposed by the font management cod
in the underlying GEM system software and the amount of space available
to load in fonts). We don't intend to support 360 dpi.

regards,
jg


Date: 12-26-88 (15:09)               Number: 469
  To: JOHN FINLAYSON                 Refer#: 431
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: SCREEN FONT REDRAW BLUES       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John,

Since you are now using the VGA fonts instead of the EGA fonts, more
space is required for the fonts (they are larger) and more font swapping
is likely to occur. In addition to Rick Altman's suggestion that you use
a disk cache, I would also make two other recommendations:

1. When using the Professional Extension, use the /F= switch to allocate
   more space for the screen fonts. The default value is 68k, so you mig
   try a value like 90k (use /F=90). The upper limit is 128k -- don't
   exceed that or strange things may happen. If you try a large value
   and receive an error alert indicating that VP can't load (or anything
   else strange like that), back the number down.

2. Create a directory called \VENTURA\VPFONTS and move all of the fonts
   that directory (removing them from \VENTURA). If you have printer fon
   in the \VENTURA directory, you must move all of those, too. When the
   GEM system software detects that you have a VPFONTS subdirectory, it
   will not try to load any fonts from the \VENTURA directory, but alway
   look to the \VENTURA\VPFONTS directory for all fonts. This solution
   may be helpful to you if your \VENTURA directory has a huge number
   of files in it. When this happens, DOS must read the directory more
   than once anytime a file is opened, which often dramatically increase
   the overhead. A word of caution, though: always remember to add fonts
   to the \VENTURA\VPFONTS directory, rather than the \VENTURA directory
   Otherwise, they won't be loaded.

Hope this helps!

regards,
jg


Date: 12-26-88 (15:17)               Number: 470
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: ART SAFFRAN                      Read: YES
Subj: MADISON VPUG                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I just wanted to bring you up to date on what is happening here in
Wisconsin.  We have had three meetings so far.  Meetings are scheduled
for the 2nd Tuesday of each month, 7-9 p.m.  Our first meeting was just
an organizational session.  We had about 17 folks there.  They are from
all areas: Government, University, typesetters, graphic designers,
private business.
Our second meeting featured a demonstration of version 2.0.  We got a
beta version from a local software company.  Your issue covering 2.0 was
invaluable because I used that as a teaching manual.  No one knew how to
use 2.0 but the meeting went well with occasional cheers from the group
as the saw new features.
  Our third meeting featured Heidi Princevalle, Xerox rep from Chicago.
She drove to madison (3 hrs) to demonstrate the professional extension.
Our 2.0 meeting had 35 people and the professional extension meeting dre
16 folks.  We are trying to organize a bit more by having more people
plan meetings.  Our next meeting is in January (1/10/89) and we may have
a demonstration of the Lasermaster Capcard printer system.
 Not all the folks at our group are members of the national VPUG.  Can
you send information and some sample copies of the magazine?  That would
encourage them to join.  Send to Art Saffran, State Bar of Wisconsin,
P.O. Box 7158, 402 West Wilson, Madison, WI  53707.


Date: 12-26-88 (15:18)               Number: 471
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ART SAFFRAN                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: DBASE PUBLISHING W/2.0         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is there anyone with experience in publishing large database directories
with Ventura?  We are publishing a directory of Wisconsin Lawyers
consisting of 15,000 names and addresses.  There will be 3 sections:
Alphabetical listing, Firm listing, Geographical listing.  It will be
produced in 3 separate parts.  We have the data on a Data General mini
computer.  The data will be pulled from the DG in Business Basic,
pretagged for the Ventura style sheet.  We'll download from the DG to PC
and do some editing with WordPerfect then it's on to Ventura, proof
printing on the laser and then on to be typeset.
   My question is, are there any suggestions, pitfalls to avoid, etc?  W
have upgraded our computers with several megabytes of expanded memory to
handle the job.  I don't know how Ventura will react to 15,000 names in
the Alphabetical listing.  Anyone with experience who can share ideas
will be appreciated.
    I think it will work well...I hope.  Thanks.


Date: 12-26-88 (15:19)               Number: 472
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ART SAFFRAN                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: DRAWING PROGRAMS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am looking to buy a high powered drawing program but have not read any
in depth reviews to help decide.  I am considering Illustrator for PC,
Micrografx Designer, Gem Artline, and there is a new one by Corel.  Does
anyone have any advice here?  I heard that Artline is not to be missed.
Should I buy Illustrator though because it is the standard?  It would be
helpful if Ventura Professional! would review these programs in a good
comparison.  The programs also have to work well with Pagemaker because
we use both Ventura and Pagemaker very heavily.  Thanks


Date: 12-26-88 (15:21)               Number: 473
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BRYAN EGGERS                     Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: TEXT AND TAGS                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I may overlooking something obvious, but using VP 2.0, is there an easy
way to copy text (and tags) from one chapter into another, and still
retain all the formatting?  I tried copying text using the PASTE command
and although it did copy and the text contained the tag NAMES, the actua
tag definitions were lost during the process.  I had to manually
reconstruct the tags.  There must be an easier way!

Also, does anyone know of a utility that will allow one to create PS
output for "books" that can be given to a print shop. For example, if I
using an 8 1/2 by 6 format page size, the printer would want two pages
vertically (next to each other) on an 8 1/2" by 12" page. However, when
books are printed you might have page 1 next to page 200 (on the the sam
8 1/2" by 12" sheet) so that when all the pages are bound the numbers
come out correctly.  I've heard that there is a utility that works with
VP that can correctly resort the output to conform to this
printing/binding requirement. Can anyone tell me the name of the company
that publishes it? Thanks very much.

Bryan Eggers
SUMMIT Telecommunications
818-707-9991


Date: 12-26-88 (15:22)               Number: 474
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DICK CAMPBELL                    Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: STYLE REPORTS                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thank you both for quick replies to Frame'Frame....wont
fit' query.

I have just printed out a style sheet info for a fairly
complex newsletter and I find that there is no header
on any page but the first, and that at times the style
or the face or the sizr does not print at the start of
a new tag descriptor. It's like if the poit size does
not change when the next tag is described, the size ain't
printed. Is that so? No page numbers either. All very
disconserting with a five-page 16 tag printout.
Dick Campbell

cc: Gene Rodrigues
    John Meyer



Date: 12-26-88 (15:26)               Number: 477
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: 460
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: YES
Subj: RELAY MAIL                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, how do I contact Kip Compton or get a hold of the Relay Mail Door?
Thanks for the info...


Date: 12-26-88 (15:27)               Number: 478
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: 462
From: DICK WORTH                       Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA CRASH                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, I cured some of the problems. Have been working on it, and found
that if I install the cga driver then it works correctly without
crashing, however the drawback is that the screen resolution is not
acceptable.  I will keep experimenting with other setups. Also will
verify the exact name of the screen name, and that called in the bat
file.      Thanks.                                      Dick..


Date: 12-26-88 (15:36)               Number: 480
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: 477
From: SYSOP                            Read: NO
Subj: RELAY MAIL                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick...I should have copies of all versions of the door about a week
after the new systems goes up. (about 1 week before we go up).


Date: 12-26-88 (15:37)               Number: 481
  To: DICK WORTH                     Refer#: 478
From: SYSOP                            Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA CRASH                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick...generally if you can get a system running on a CGA with Ventura,
problem with insufficient memory is a primary suspect if you cannot run
the same system with graphics adapters which require larger amounts of
memory. Try using the MAPMEM utility that comes with the TSRCOM25
programs. MAPMEM will show you how much of the 640K is left in your
machine after the display drivers are loaded. The TSRCOM25.ARC (good
guess at name) file is avaiable on this board.

Call me at VPUG if you still can't get the system up. I'll try to walk
you through the problem over the phone. By next week, I'll have a tech
support voice line for the board to help isolate such problems. I'll pos
the number on the new system when the lines are all installed.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (15:39)               Number: 482
  To: HERBERT STRANDBERG             Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry, but this board will never be placed on CompuServe. They gave us
the run-around for so many years we just gave up trying. However, Xerox
will be placing a Forum on line on CompuServe reasonably soon, so you ca
try calling them when it's ready. We'll post information about the
Conference when the new area is ready.

All subscribers will be updated in about a week when the new system goes
online. We are opening 5 lines and some of the automated logon support
you are familiar with using Compuserve with TACPIS.

...Gene


Date: 12-26-88 (15:43)               Number: 484
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 417
From: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                  Read: NO
Subj: WY700 DRIVER FOR VP 2.0        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dear Gene and John,
Thanks for your replies concerning the VGA versus EGA fonts. I followed
John's fisrt suggestion, doing a partial re-install for the Hercules
driver. When done, the Printer Info box shows VGA for screen fonts. I
changed this to EGA. The result is a very small change in amount of
visible page--about 1 pica out of 54. This is still significantly less
than the page highteight I was using in Ventura 1.1. Could this be due t
the Bitstream fonts that I installed for the VGA device? I have not yet
tried to re-install the EGA version of these extra fonts? I will wait fo
your opinion before trying this time- and space-consuming option.
I appreciate your help.

cc: John Grant



Date: 12-26-88 (15:44)               Number: 485
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: 465
From: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                  Read: YES
Subj: WY700 DRIVER FOR VP 2.0        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dear Gene and John,
Thanks for your replies concerning the VGA versus EGA fonts. I followed
John's fisrt suggestion, doing a partial re-install for the Hercules
driver. When done, the Printer Info box shows VGA for screen fonts. I
changed this to EGA. The result is a very small change in amount of
visible page--about 1 pica out of 54. This is still significantly less
than the page highteight I was using in Ventura 1.1. Could this be due t
the Bitstream fonts that I installed for the VGA device? I have not yet
tried to re-install the EGA version of these extra fonts? I will wait fo
your opinion before trying this time- and space-consuming option.
I appreciate your help.

cc: John Grant



Date: 12-26-88 (15:45)               Number: 486
  To: JOHN FINLAYSON                 Refer#: 431
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: SCREEN FONT REDRAW BLUES       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

To get fast screen drawing with version 2.0 (faster than 1.1), do two
things:
..
1. Use a disk cache of at least 256K. This disk cache should be placed i
EMS memory. You computer (if it is a 386) probably includes a disk cache
If not, a cache such as Lightning, or PC Kwik will work just fine.
..
2. Use the /F switch in your VPPROF.BAT file. Add this to the end of the
line which begins with DRVRMRGR. The font buffer is normally 68K, but
with EMS installed (and especially if you also configure with a little
EXTENDED (not EMS, EXTENDED) memory and use an XMS driver such as
HIMEM.SYS or 386max, you can specify a /F setting of up to 168K. For you
purposes, any setting larger than the largest screen font file (i.e.
about 90K) will work wonders.
..
My recommendation: Set up a disk cache of at least 256K. Set the /F
switch to the largest value you can withou causing Ventura Publisher to
not load (it will display a message telling you it doesn't have enough
memory and then return you to DOS). Don't worry about just barely having
enough memory. With Professional Extension, all buffers and all of the
document are placed in EMS memory, so being close to the minimum
conventional memory is OK. Try /F=128 as a start. Finally, remove any
screen fonts that you don't need, especially the larger ones. Ventura
Publisher always loads the screen fonts when you type VPPROF, and you
might as well not wait any longer than you have to.


Date: 12-26-88 (15:46)               Number: 487
  To: ART SAFFRAN                    Refer#: 471
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: DBASE PUBLISHING W/2.0         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Here are few tips, off the top of my head:
..
1. Use the <R> (line break) character instead of carriage return + line
feed to separate each record in the database. This will DRAMATICALLY
reduce the load time. Having said this, no one paragraph can be more tha
8,000 bytes, and certain limitations within Ventura Publisher make the
practical limit somewhat less than this (6,000 to 7,000 bytes).
Therefore, what I do is create a database extraction program which uses
<R> between each record, and then every 30-100 records (depending on the
length of a record) I separate the record with a true carriage return
line feed combination.
..
2. Experiment in advance with the different ways to import data into
Ventura Publisher. You can, for instance, separate fields within a recor
using tabs (ASCII 9). This is straightforward, and easy to use. However,
it does not allow text within a field to wrap to the next line. If you
want this effect, you must either tag each field with a separate tag
(e.g., @TAG 1 = Mary Jones<R>@TAG 2 = 35 Main Street), or else place the
data with a Ventura Publisher table format (Professional Extension only)
..
3. Import the data into Ventura Publisher using the Xywrite or Wordstar,
not the ASCII format. The ASCII format can be used, but then you must
remember to place TWO carriage return-line feed combinations between eac
record in the database.
..
For more information, read Appendix H in the base Ventura Publisher's
Reference Guide.


Date: 12-26-88 (15:47)               Number: 488
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: UPLOAD OF VPAPP_2.ARC          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
..
The VPAPP_2.ARC file is the second application note that I've sent to yo
(ENDNOTE.ARC was the first). This note provides the results of a detaile
set of measurements which I performed on my COMPAQ 286 with a variety of
screen drivers and different EMS and HIMEM.SYS combinations. The key
benefit of this app note is that it shows exactly the CHKDSK-reported
memory that must be available in order to run either the base product or
the Professional Extension, given various different configurations. It
also lets users see the benefits of adding EMS and/or a little (64K) of
extended memory (the latter lets you load HIMEM.SYS).
..
Hope this is useful info for all those out there in Venturaland.


Date: 12-26-88 (15:51)               Number: 489
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE GREEN                      Read: (N/A)
Subj: UPLOAD OF IDC.ARC              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

IDC.ARC contains the program IDCSHELL.  This is a DOS shell.  It contain
utilities to transfer, erase, archive, and dearchive files.  It can do
them individually, or en masse.  It can generate a DOS tree diagram of
your logical disk drive.  You can change file attributes.  The
dearchiving portion of the program is actually the latest release of the
NARC program.   IDCSHELL is menu driven; mouse support is included.

cc: Gene Rodrigues



Date: 12-26-88 (16:04)               Number: 495
  To: RON BETZ                       Refer#: 451
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: QMS LASER PRINTER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ron:

I have been using the PS-810 for some time now, and am delighted
with its print quality. I am not as familiar with the PS-800 II, but
I believe it to be a laser printer that is designed for more
heavy-duty work -- several sheet bins, high duty cycle, etc.

If that is the case, I would be surprised if the print quality
were as good as the 810. If print quality is your priority -- as
well it should be -- you absolutely cannot go wrong with the 810.
My opinion is shared by virtually all the major DTP and general
computer magazines that have evaluated PostScript printers.





Rick Altman


Date: 12-26-88 (16:04)               Number: 496
  To: ART SAFFRAN                    Refer#: 472
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: DRAWING PROGRAMS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Art:

The issue of drawing programs is too lengthy to cover on a bulletin
board, but I can tell you this: If you intend to use your drawing
program with PageMaker and other Windows applications, you are liable
to be frustrated with Artline, which only exports in GEM and EPS
formats. That means that you would have to export everything to
Windows in non-displaying EPS files.

While an excellent product in conjunction with Ventura, until Artline
beefs up its export menu, it takes a backseat to all of the very
capable Windows drawing programs when it comes to exporting outside
of GEM. If you would like to talk further about drawing programs, call
me at [phone].




Rick Altman


Date: 12-26-88 (16:06)               Number: 497
  To: BRYAN EGGERS                   Refer#: 473
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: TEXT AND TAGS                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bryan:

Question No. 1: The only method that I am aware of to move tags
and their formatting characteristics from one chapter to another
is to simply duplicate the original chapter with the SAVE AS command.
Probably, that is not what you had in mind, and this answer is
unsatisfactory.

Question No. 2: With a PostScript printer, you could handle
your signature pagination chore by creating EPS files of each
of your pages and then bringing them back onto 8 1/2 x 12 pages,
each in their proper position. Now if this is a lengthy project,
such a task would drive you nuts. The Laser Edge in Oakland
has a product that automates this task, although I am not sure
of the precision or the detail of the product. You can call them
at [phone].



Rick Altman


Date: 12-26-88 (16:09)               Number: 498
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: JUST-FOR-FUN USER SURVEYS      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

What This Board Needs
Is Some Entertainment...


This bulletin board is too serious! Therefore, I
am suggesting a just-for-fun activity in which all
who call up can participate. Every caller is invited
to offer one thing that he or she really likes about
Ventura Publisher 2.0 and one thing that is really
galling. It doesn't have to be a new feature -- in
fact, there aren't any ground rules at all.

Maybe if there is significant participation, Gene
can keep some statistics. And particularly good
responses may find their way into my book come late
February. I'll start:


I really like... the programmable function
    keys that allow me to tag paragraphs
    in Text mode and with great rapidity.


I really dislike... the fact that <Ctrl-X>
    repeats any and all menu choices, even
    those that already have keyboard
    shortcuts, like mode and view changes.
    I wish <Ctrl-X> could be made to ignore
    the menu choices that have keyboard
    shortcuts or those that are not likely
    to be immediately repeated.


Anyone else out there want to play?

cc: Gene Rodrigues



Date: 12-26-88 (16:09)               Number: 499
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: JUST-FOR-FUN USER SURVEYS      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

What This Board Needs
Is Some Entertainment...


This bulletin board is too serious! Therefore, I
am suggesting a just-for-fun activity in which all
who call up can participate. Every caller is invited
to offer one thing that he or she really likes about
Ventura Publisher 2.0 and one thing that is really
galling. It doesn't have to be a new feature -- in
fact, there aren't any ground rules at all.

Maybe if there is significant participation, Gene
can keep some statistics. And particularly good
responses may find their way into my book come late
February. I'll start:


I really like... the programmable function
    keys that allow me to tag paragraphs
    in Text mode and with great rapidity.


I really dislike... the fact that <Ctrl-X>
    repeats any and all menu choices, even
    those that already have keyboard
    shortcuts, like mode and view changes.
    I wish <Ctrl-X> could be made to ignore
    the menu choices that have keyboard
    shortcuts or those that are not likely
    to be immediately repeated.


Anyone else out there want to play?

cc: Gene Rodrigues



Date: 12-27-88 (16:12)               Number: 500
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: JIM REYNOLDS                     Read: YES
Subj: DOWNLOADS                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The download file request isn't working I request a file and it goes
over and in a moment said it's complete when all along it didn't
transfer the file.  Thank,


Date: 12-28-88 (06:21)               Number: 504
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: PETER CONRAD                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: VPUG SUB RENEWAL               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Carrol,

We received a subscription renewal letter in the mail addressed as
follows:
.LIBBY S. HILLMAN
.HEART CONSIOUSNESS CHURC
.P. O. BOX 782
.MIDDLETOWN CA  95461
Our records show that we paid $36.00 on 8/12/88 (Our CK# 8702).  Do we
need
to renew so soon!  Also Our name and address change doesn't seem to have
gotten through (This was given to you at one of the VPUG meets) and is
as
follows:
.LIBBY S. BALTRUSCH
.HARBIN SPRINGS PUBLISHING
.P.O. BOX 782
.MIDDLETOWN CA  95461

We are also logged on to the VPUG BBS (Peter Conrad is our Computer
Manager
and TeleComm person) and were wondering if we are getting subscriber
privilages.  Please resond here or E-MAIL us on CIS [76137,1553].  Tnx.

LB;pc


Date: 12-28-88 (06:40)               Number: 506
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 424
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: ARABIC FONT                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

There are few companies in Texsas and California that re-do PCs and MACs
for
Middle East, however they do not like to share anything since it is a
good market and lots money in it! I've been planing for the last few
years to create at least one font myself. But you know how that goes. I
have the printed font, it needs to be scaned and worked on with PTF.
Maybe this summer!


Date: 12-28-88 (06:45)               Number: 507
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 426
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: DELETING MESSAGES              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thats fine. I just could not understand what was going on. The story was
that someone posted a message about 386-to-the-max and I asked him about
QEMM-386 and a few message later there was my answer. So I decided to go
back and delete the message and the rest is history!


Date: 12-28-88 (07:05)               Number: 508
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                  Read: YES
Subj: ARC FILES                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene: Is there a utility available for decoding ARC files? I have
searched around and cannot find it. Thanks, Alan.


Date: 12-28-88 (13:43)               Number: 509
  To: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                Refer#: 484
From: SYSOP                            Read: YES
Subj: WY700 DRIVER FOR VP 2.0        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Allan...I'll have to simulate the problem myself to see if I can help. I
don't have a WYSE 700 here now but should have one here in a few days.
Hopefully another user may come through with other advice. My earlier
instructions should work, however, since I used this technique quite
often with version 1.1. Theoretically, the EGA fonts should give you the
same image size you viewed before.

...Gene


Date: 12-28-88 (19:52)               Number: 516
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: SYSOP                            Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VPUG MEMBERS TAKE NOTE         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Read the following if you are currently a member of VPUG:

I've upgraded all users who use names which are reasonably close to the
person identified on the envelope labels for the magazine. These are the
names placed in the VPUG database. Many memberships are recorded by
company name. I need to know the names of all users who are currently
logging on to the FORUM if the name on the envelope label is not the
name you use to log on to the system.

Registered users will be granted increased logon time, the ability to
chat with other VPUG members logged into other nodes, and access to
files which are not open to the public. Additional benefits include
access to special door programs designed to download user specified
sections of the message base, files, bulletins and other useful
information. With the mail readers placed on the system, users will be
able to download mail, read it at home, and upload the responses at a
later date. These functions will only be granted to VPUG members.
Members will also have access to two additional phone lines.

Check your user file from the Main menu. If the "Security" field in your
user file is not 30 or higher, your access rights on the system have not
been upgraded. Be sure to leave a comment for the sysop if your
subscription is under a different name or a company name. Note that
access to the restricted areas on the board will be limited to one user
per company membership.

The above does not apply to certain users. These include members of the
Ventura Software team, certain members of Team Xerox, and the moderators
who monitor the conferences.

If you have questions, leave a question for the Sysop.

...Gene


Date: 12-28-88 (22:22)               Number: 517
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 487
From: ART SAFFRAN                      Read: YES
Subj: DBASE PUBLISHING W/2.0         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

To John Meyer: Thank you for your reply to my questions about large
database publishing with 2.0. Your suggestions to place <R> instead of
separate tags for separate records is a good one. However, we have some
limitations: In our alphabetical attorney listing (15,000 records) we
need to have the last name place in the header, so the last name must be
a tag. The first name follows on the same line as a second tag with a
tab ( <9> ) to the phone number (with dot leaders). The next line is
another tag listing the firm name and address. This last part will have
the fields separated by <R> to save memory. So, in our case, I can't
figure any way to separate records by <R> because of our need for
headers and dot leaders to the phone numbers.   Can you tell me how to
calculate the memory requirements for this project? Also, if the chapter
exceeds my memory, will Ventura swap to disk automatically or will it
BLOW UP and refuse to run? I have 4 megabytes of memory on my computer.
The listing will be in four columns on the underlying page. With
expanded memory Ventura does not give me a too complex frame message but
would it help to use the repeating frame method anyway? Please advise.
  Sorry for the rambling look to this message, but I am new to the BBS.
If it would help, I can send you a copy of the preliminary test chapter
of our directory listing. I had it typeset and it looks great! If this
works it will prove the immense power of Ventura Publisher! You have
really created a beauty...but you already know that.  Thanks for all
your help...Art


Date: 12-28-88 (22:44)               Number: 518
  To: CARROLL BAKER                  Refer#: NONE
From: ART SAFFRAN                      Read: YES
Subj: VPUG BBS                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I just wanted to let you know how useful the BBS is. I have already
received answers to questions from John Meyer and Rick Altman. It is
incredibly satisfying to be able to talk to the most knowledgeable folks
about questions with Ventura.


Date: 12-29-88 (07:44)               Number: 520
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 413
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: YES
Subj: EMS DRIVER                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry to intrude, but I just received the latest version of 386MAX
(4.02) and it's better than ever!!!
  My system has 512K of memory with a 2 meg additional board. After
installing 386MAX, loading 86K of TSR's into high memory, I'm left with
605K at the DOS prompt (I'm using Compaq 3.31). No other program will
backfill my memory, load TSR's into high memory, and leave me with over
600K for program use. (The older version left me with 602K; so Qualitas
has the new version taking up less DOS memory).
  In addition, there is a separate program call 386LOAD ($35) which will
load any device drivers used into extended (?) memory, freeing up more
DOS memory. For example, after loading the 386max.sys program, 386LOAD
will take P Mace's cache.sys and place that in high memory, freeing dos
memory. Cache.sys loaded normally leaves me with 595K; using 386LOAD, I
have 604K.
  Cannot recommend 386max highly enough!!!


Date: 12-29-88 (21:41)               Number: 524
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: ART SAFFRAN                      Read: NO
Subj: HOW TO USE THE BBS             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I tried to download Packet1.arc and Packet2.arc but the BBS told me that
those files do not exist on the disk. I would like to learn more about
the conferences etc. When I logged on for the first time there was a
Publishing DataBases with Ventura conference, but with your new BBS
software it is gone. I guess I'm not sure how to make the best use of
the conferences. Some general advice would be helpful. Thanks.


Date: 12-30-88 (02:01)               Number: 526
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: (N/A)
Subj: HIATUS                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Howdy ALL!

I'm going to be out of town and won't be able to respond to any
questions until around January 21. Happy New Year to ALL!

regards,
jg


Date: 12-30-88 (12:27)               Number: 528
  To: ALL                            Refer#: 75
From: JOHN FINLAYSON                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: WP 5.0 LOAD/SAVE               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

    I fear there may be a bug in the WordPerfect 5.0 load module.
We discovered it when we converted our bi-monthly newsletter to
VP 2.0 and WP 5.0 (from VP 1.1 and WP 4.1).  We first noticed
that the WP 5.0 yen characters (which posed no problem for
the VP 1.1 / WP 4.1 combo) were being stripped when loading into
VP 2.0.  We regarded this as a deficiency rather than a bug, and
we easily worked around it by using <157> instead of the WP yen
character.
    That would have been acceptable by itself, but we soon
discovered that when VP 2.0 saves a text file in WP 5.0 format,
the yen character is still encoded in WP 4.1 format (in hex, WP
4.1 stores the yen character as E1 9D E1, while 5.0 stores it as
C0 0C 04 C0).  Not only was WP 5.0 unable to read the file as
saved by VP 2.0 (it chokes at the first yen sign), but VP 2.0
itself can no longer read it, even though it was VP 2.0 that last
saved the file.
    I can't help but suspect that there may be other characters
that are being saved in the wrong code.  Has anyone else run into
this problem?  Is there a newer version of the WP 5.0 load
module (ours is WDPERF5.LOD, 8/16.88)?


Date: 12-30-88 (18:27)               Number: 530
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 506
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: ARABIC FONT                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'll keep my eye open for some fonts and I'll talk to some people I know
down south next week to see if they have any leads.

...Gene


Date: 12-30-88 (18:38)               Number: 531
  To: ALAN BLUMENTHAL                Refer#: 508
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: ARC FILES                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Join the Main Board. Enter "J M" or "J 0" without the quotes to enter
the Main Board area. Then enter "F" to see the file directory menu. A
separate area has been created for ARC utilities and other file
compression programs. We use the files contained in PK361.EXE for the
Forum. The PK361.EXE file is a self extracting archive. That's why it
has the .EXE file extension. Download the file and place it in a
separate directory, then enter the PK361 command. A set of archive
utilites and documentation will be extracted from the file. Prints the
documentation to learn how to use the programs.

I've added a special DOOR to a on-line tutorial system. One of the
tutorials in on using ARC files. It has some good basic information that
will steer you in the right direction. To enter the DOORS area, type
DOOR or OPEN from the main menu. When the Door menu appears, select the
Tudoor or Tutorial Door. A new menu will appear offering more options.
Choose the option for the File Archive tutorial. The door program will
automatically return you to the Forum when the tutorial is over.

Oh yes...before I forget. After you download you file from the Main
board, you can return to the VENTURA Conference by entering J 1 from the
Main menu. If you just enter J, a menu of conference options will appear
on the screen.

Also, download the file "PACKET2.ARC". I contains all the Help screens
on the Forum. You can read these to learn how to get around. A Ventura
formatted version of the files is being formatted at this time. Bob
Moody should have it online in about a week.

....Gene


Date: 12-30-88 (22:17)               Number: 538
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEW TELEPHONE LINES            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I M P O R T A N T ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Two new bulletin board nodes have been installed along with 2 more
telephone lines. Only users who have a value of 30 or higher listed in
the Security # field of their user information (user file) can use the
new lines. Users who attempt to call the two new lines with a
insufficient security clearance can only use the Goodbye command to
exit the systems.

All users who subscibe to the magazine using the same name they use to
log on to the Forum have been validated for the new lines. However, many
users call the Forum from companies who subscibe to the magazine. I need
to know who you are and what companies you work for before access to the
new lines will be granted. Note that only one user per subscription is
entitles to access the private lines.

These telephone lines are currently active:

               Public Access Line:   408-227-4818
               Subscriber Line 1 :   408-227-0223
               Subscriber Line 2 :   408-227-0224

Try calling the 227-0224 number first. Hunting is being installed on the
227-0224 number in about a week. The system will automatically hunt for
an unused line when the hunting feature is enabled.

Two additional lines will be installed in January. Access to these lines
will be available at an annual fee. VPUG will use the sale of access
rights to these lines as the only source of funds for supporting the
Forum. The Extended Support Lines will be offered for an annual fee of
$50.00. Extended Support Users will have access to several special
conference areas containing all the non-copyrighted files, clipart, and
information collected and produced by VPUG since 1986. Additional
incentives are also planned. Call VPUG at 408-227-5068 if you're
interested.

Long distance caller can significantly cut their communications costs by
downloading the file RLYRDR30.ARC from the Main Board area. (Enter "J M"
from the Ventura Conference to access the Main Board area. Instructions
for downloading and uploading mail from the Forum and the special reader
program are contained in the file. The Relay Mail Reader is a shareware
product. Relay Reader users (subscribers only) can access a special DOOR
program which allows then to upload and download mail. The mail is
compressed and placed in ARC format to reduce file size. The Relat
Reader program extracts the messages from the ARC file and creates an
environment very similar to PCBoard for reading and respondng to
messages.

More about all this later as we continue to bring the new software
on-line.

Thanks...Gene R.


Date: 12-31-88 (01:05)               Number: 540
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: 23
From: RICHARD PRESTWOOD                Read: YES
Subj: PACKET1 & PACKET2              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thank you for the info, Gene.  I appreciate the VPUG BBS.
Happy New Year.
Richard Prestwood


Date: 12-31-88 (09:58)               Number: 543
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 486
From: JOHN FINLAYSON                   Read: YES
Subj: SCREEN FONT REDRAW BLUES       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

To Rick Altman, John Meyer, John Grant, Dick Worth...
Thanks for the help on the screen font problem.  I tried your
suggestions, and it works fine.

John.


Date: 01-01-89 (18:57)               Number: 548
  To: RICHARD PRESTWOOD              Refer#: 540
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: PACKET1 & PACKET2              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

No problem Richard...Gene


Date: 01-02-89 (02:04)               Number: 555
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RON BETZ                         Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: HARDWARE                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am looking for a large screen color monitor (19 inch). I have received
information on the Mitsubishi line of monitors and would like any
information that anyone has on these or other monitors of this kind.
Also, what kind of graphic cards should be used with these? Does
Mitsubishi supply a graphics driver for ventura publisher ver 2.0? Any
info would be greatly appreciated!!!   Thanks, Ron Betz


Date: 01-02-89 (06:28)               Number: 556
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: HANS ANDRIESE                    Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello Gene,
This is a message either to you or Bob Moody.
Of the record (?!!)
It is officially confirmed to me that there will be a Ventura Publisher
edition on the Macintosh format. Not engineered by Ventura Software but
by some other guys.
What do you know about this? Who delivers the code? When do you expect
some details? Do you have already information?
.
Do you have any bug-reports on 2.0?
.
There will be a 2.01 release shortly. What will it contain?
.
Do you know of a driver for the HP deskjet?
.
These in short are my burning questions on this moment.
Congratulations with the new board. I have to get better acquainted with
it.
.
Best wishes for the new year to all of you. Make it a beautiful one!!
Hans Andriese
for all Dutch Ventura users.


Date: 01-02-89 (11:31)               Number: 557
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: WILLIAM CAFFERY                  Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Congratulations on a most successful cut-over to the new system!!!
... but what a way to spend the holidays.  Still, this makes an
awfully nice present for all your many grateful users.  A gift that
keeps on giving all year.  Many thanks for your patience and
persistence... and happy New Year!
/s


Date: 01-02-89 (16:52)               Number: 559
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: HERBERT STRANDBERG               Read: YES
Subj: VPPROF QUESTIONS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have several questions about VP & VP Professional Extensions:

1)  On a PS/2 with VGA, what is the performance hit if I select color
over B&W.  I have lots of EMS memory.

2)  I installed PROF EXT but answered NO to the question about
installing the dictionary.  It was copied to disk anyway (yes I finally
found it in the documentation where it said that it was going to do that
anyway!!!!).  Since it is on the disk, what changes can I make should I
want to change my mind and use it?  What is the performance hit?
Dictionary based hyphenation is not critical to me.

3)  If I create or edit a document with VPPROF, and do not use any of
its extended function in my document, can the document later be editted
with VP?

4)  Are you aware of the problem importing GEM Artline files into
Ventura.  Black fill areas are correctly displayed and printed by
Artline (as black), correctly displayed by Ventura (as black), but
printed as BRICKS on a HPLJ2.  If I select a fill of 87 percent gray in
Artline, then all blacks become gray, and the printed BRICKS are now
plain BLACK.  Is there a patch so that I can create all of my Artline
files NOW as BLACK, and have them printed as BLACK.  I would hate to go
back and have to correct all of my Artline files from 87 percent to 100
percent after Ventura fixes their problem.  These are .GEM files.

5)  What needs to be done to install VP & VPPROF under GEM 3.1
environment?  (I have EMS memory).  Will there be enough room for
VENTURA to run?  How to I get the icon for starting Ventura?

6)  What are your feelings about running VENTURA under DesView?  Are
there any problems which I should be aware of?

7)  On my PS/2 Model 80, I am running Softbytes 386.  Does VENTURA make
use of any HIMEM?  Do I need to do a SB386 OPENHIGH (?) to activate it
for Ventura to use?   What are the smallest blocks of HIMEM that it can
use.  Mine is a little fractured by the PS/2 ROM on various adapter
cards which I have installed.

Looking forward to your reply or comments from any other user.

Herb


Date: 01-03-89 (15:21)               Number: 564
  To: ART SAFFRAN                    Refer#: 517
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: DBASE PUBLISHING W/2.0         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The answers to many of your questions can be found on the last page of
Appendix J of the Refernce Guide. It lists the memory requirements. Pay
particular attention to the number of line elements and the paragraph
size limitations.


Date: 01-04-89 (05:21)               Number: 574
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN POWELL                      Read: YES
Subj: COLOR OUTPUT SUPPORT           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John, Can you help me re:msg #320.  I am looking for information on
color output support for VP 1.1 and/or 2.0 to Xerox 4020, HP PaintJet or
a service I can use to obtain color charts, graphs, words etc., from VP
thanks..........
jp


Date: 01-04-89 (05:26)               Number: 575
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN POWELL                      Read: YES
Subj: COLOR SUPPORT                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Oops.... thats msg # 302 not 320  .... sorry John
jp


Date: 01-04-89 (13:27)               Number: 577
  To: JOHN FINLAYSON                 Refer#: 528
From: RON LAFON                        Read: YES
Subj: WP 5.0 LOAD/SAVE               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello. In response to your WordPerfect 5.0 message, it IS a documented
bug. To get ASCII characters above 127 over into Ventura, replace them
with the <Ventura bracket codes>. To save the corrupted WordPerfect
file, bring it into a text editor and strip off the header (its at the
beginning and it will be obvious where it ends). What you have left will
be an ASCII file which you can bring back into WordPerfect 5.0 using the
Textin function. Then save it, alter the extended ascii codes to Ventura
codes, and it will import correctly. This is a workaround until a
"fixed" WordPerfect 5.0 loadable filter is available. Good luck...


Date: 01-04-89 (13:30)               Number: 578
  To: HERBERT STRANDBERG             Refer#: 559
From: RON LAFON                        Read: YES
Subj: VPPROF QUESTIONS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi. Change the Artline fill to 87% and it will print as black from
Ventura. This is a workaround until a patch is available, and happens
with all printers except PostScript...


Date: 01-04-89 (16:13)               Number: 579
  To: RON LAFON                      Refer#: 578
From: HERBERT STRANDBERG               Read: YES
Subj: ARTLINE                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

87% gray is the temp fix for ArtLine, but if I have to wait for six
months for a patch, then I will have a heck of a lot of Artline files
that will print 87% grey, when I wanted black, after the fix is
received!!!

Any help from Ventura in the near future?  Any patch for a Laserjet?

Herb


Date: 01-05-89 (07:24)               Number: 581
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA BUGS?                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have come across several apparent bugs in 2.0 with the professional
extension.  First, When loading multiple copies of a TIFF image from the
assignment list into multiple frames any place in a chapter the
HALF-TONE SCREEN TYPE SETTING stays the same for all of the frames, in
other words, if I set the half-tone screen type to DOT in one frame,
then select another frame with the same image and set the half-tone
screen type to line, (or elipse,default or custom), the first frame
mysteriously resets the half-tone screen tye to DOT.  If I have four
frames on a page with COPIES of an image in each frame the half-tone
screen type for ALL of the frames resets to the last selected half-tone
screen type....very disconcerting.  On the other hand, if I load
multiple copies of a TIFF file into the assignment list, and place and
place a different copy of the same file in each frame, this problem does
not persist.  Also, the other settings in the Image Controls do not
reflect this problem, i.e, screen angle and lines per inch can be set
differently in frames containing copies of a TIFF file.  The second bug
I have noticed - this is not unique to 2.0, but also in the earlier
versions - is that in Graphic Mode, when selecting line thicknesses
greater than .5 inch will NOT display on the screen greater than .5 of
an inch, in other words, when I set a line thickness to 1 inch, the
screen displays a line .5 inch in width.  The printout however is
correct.  Another problem crops up when I load two .PIC files (brought
over from our MAC via MacLink Plus) into the assignment list, then
creating a frame and selecting the first file into the frame, adjusting
the sizing and scaling, etc, then I copy the frame, insert it on page
two and remove the image from that frame and replace it with the second
.PIC file from the assignment list.  When I go to page 1, the image that
was placed in the second frame is now in the frame on page 1.  The name
that appears in the current selection box is the correct file name but
the image is not the correct image.  If I try to remove the file from
the frame and click on the correct file name again in the assignment
list, image #2 still reappears in its place.  Then the program crashes
and I get the statement Command.com not found system halted and I have
to reboot.  This problem has happened to me on two other occasions using
different files.  (You may like to know that I am using a Micronics 386
maching with 1MB of extended memory.  I have tried using three different
drivers to convert the extended to exanded memory, and the same problem
persists).  Another oddity is that my Pop-Up Menus (those with the
inverted arrows), display as a solid box with a three quarter thin frame
around the box.  I have noticed in the Ventura Manual that most of the
screen shots show the inverted arrows, but on page 5-124, 6-25, and
other pages, show this same kind of box. (I own a Genius2 dual page
monitor).  Thank you


Date: 01-05-89 (10:47)               Number: 582
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: HERBERT STRANDBERG               Read: YES
Subj: MESSAGE 559 QUESTIONS          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

A few days ago I asked a few questions in message 559 and private
message 560.  I have since found the answers to questions 3 and 6, and
understand that the group is aware of item 4.

I am still wondering about the patch for printing GEM Artline files, and
your answer to the other questions.

Thank you for you time and fine product.

Herb


Date: 01-05-89 (14:22)               Number: 584
  To: DENIS LATKOWSKI                Refer#: 520
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: EMS DRIVER                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Denis,
Today I got the QEMM-386 for my Unisys PW2/850 (a 386 PC) and I think
both in price and capabilities it is better than 386MAX. First of all it
only takes up 1.5K of regular memory. It has 2 file LOADHI.sys and
LOADHI.COM, the first file will be used to put the devices in the
high-mem and the the second file to put programs. For example I did
     DEVICE=LOADHI.SYS ansi.sys
to put away the ansi.sys in config.sys and since I am using MOUSE.COM in
my autoexec.bat I did:
     LOADHI MOUSE.COM
and that loads my MOUSE driver into high memory. This version, 4.2, also
supports LIM EMS 4.0 and EEMS 3.2.  It lets you decide how much of the
extended memory (I have total of 2 meg on mother board) to be left
aloan, how much to be used for expanded memory and lots of other
options. But, best of all it only cost me $40.00! After I load
everything including NOVEL network driver I am left with 600k of memory.


Date: 01-05-89 (19:45)               Number: 585
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DICK GASKILL                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: SYSTEM SPEEDUP UTILITIES       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

First, apologies to all who tried to access these utilities and didn't
find them.  We just moved and the computer was in pieces for a while.
Anyway, I uploaded them tonite.  Actually, there are a lot more than
just system speedup utilities.  There are 2 files, UTILITY.ARC, which
contains something like 60 programs, including the ones I mentioned in
my article, and UTILDOC.ARC, which contains an index for all the files,
and a separate .DOC file for all the programs in UTILITY.ARC.
Incidentally, I have had these programs on my system for several months
and no problems (like viruses) at all.  Many of the programs are from
other BBSs and other power users that I know from work.  Hope you can
make some good use of these programs.  If you find a bug (another name
for a surprise "feature") let me know.  If you have ?s, leave me a
message.  Now that my toy.. (oops, I mean COMPUTER) is back on line,
I'll be on the board more often.
.
Happy new year, everybody.
.
Dick


Date: 01-05-89 (23:25)               Number: 586
  To: HERBERT STRANDBERG             Refer#: 579
From: RON LAFON                        Read: YES
Subj: ARTLINE                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Herb. The problem with Artline and Ventura is with ALL printers other
than PostScript. I can appreciate your problem with not wanting to
change all the files from 87% gray to 100%. You might leave a message
for John Grant to see when the fixes are going to be available...


Date: 01-06-89 (10:58)               Number: 595
  To: RON BETZ                       Refer#: 555
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: HARDWARE                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ron...a good person to talk to about large screen monitors is Bob Moody.
He's tested almost everyone on the market to date and has gathered quite
a bit of information about his experiences with all of them. You can
leave a message here for Bob and call him at VPUG [phone]
(voice).

Personally, I use the Moniterm Viking monitors. I have three --two
landscape 19" models and one landscape 24" models). By far they are the
fastest that I have tried before, although the screen resolution is not
as high as a Sigma or Cornerstone unit. I don't know much about
Mitsubishi monitors and Bob Moody has never received announcement about
a driver for them. Give Bob a call for telephone numbers of Cornerstone,
Moniterm, Ventek, Vermont Systems, Sigma Designs, DBM, and others which
have Ventura compatible drivers.

...Gene


Date: 01-07-89 (12:12)               Number: 600
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: NONE
From: HERBERT STRANDBERG               Read: YES
Subj: ARTLINE & VP                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Do you have a patch or fix for the BRICK problem with Artline.  I don't
want to continue generating 87% grey areas so that they print black, and
then having to go back and change them to 100% when I get the fix
through normal channels.

Herb


Date: 01-07-89 (14:50)               Number: 602
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: PAUL GLASSMAN                    Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: WORDPERFECT 5.0 INDEX          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have a book that is about 200 pages and is now written in Word
Perfect 5.0. It has about 300 entries in the index. Is there a way
to import this file into Ventura 2.0 and keep the index tags, or
do I need to retag the whole book again to have Ventura produce
the index? Is there perhaps a 3rd party program that will do this
conversion? Any help would be appreciated


Date: 01-08-89 (12:01)               Number: 608
  To: PAUL GLASSMAN                  Refer#: 602
From: HERBERT STRANDBERG               Read: YES
Subj: WORDPERFECT 5.0 INDEX          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I was hoping that there was a way to edit an Index entry in WP, but just
shelled out to WP to try it and didn't have any luck.  I will check with
WP on the Compuserve forum and see if anyone has any ideas.  Once you
can edit an index entry, then you can copy/paste the info into a Ventura
index entry (using a macro for ease of use).

I will be out for a few days, but will check on this upon my return.

Herb
WordPerfect Instructor


Date: 01-08-89 (15:17)               Number: 609
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DONNA HARRINGTON                 Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi, does anybody have the straight scoop on how much memory Ventura
requires? I have periodic problems with Ventura hanging up and Xerox
support always comes down to "it must be a memory conflict". They told
me that Ventura needs at least 574k of ram available to run properly.
And that having anything else in memory is "risky", this is a big
problem for me as my memory is used as follows:
When I load DOS 3.2 with 20 files and buffers I have 598,608 bytes left,
then I load our Novell shell which takes 54,272 leaving 544,336, right
here I am below the 574K that Xerox says I need.I also use the
Lasermaster card to drive my HP series II printer, its software takes
46,736 leaving 497,600 available for Ventura. I can't get rid of the
network as all of my data files are out on the network server. We did
this because I have all of the technical documentation for our company
in Ventura and have much more than the 32mb that DOS will allow on a
local disk, also the network gets backed up everyday and I don't have to
worry about it. The Lasermaster card lets me print Ventura documents in
a reasonable amount of time and gives me the font selection I need for
my work. The bottom line is, there isn't any way for me to eliminate
anything from memory and still get my job done. I read that Version 2.0
and the professional extention to Ventura will address extended memory
and thought that this would be the answer to this problem so I had the
company purchase 2mb of 32 bit ram(not cheap) for my computer (an Acer
1100 80386 16mhz), and version 2.0 and the professional extention for
Ventura. I spoke to Xerox tech support and to my dismay they said that
the new version requires more of the 640k DOS memory than before and
that if I had problems before they would only get worse with the new
version. This is not good news. Someone suggested I buy 386MAX from
Qualitas, this program would allow me to stuff the network shell and the
Lasermaster software up into extended memory and give Ventura almost all
of the 640K. Alas when we tried this 386MAX doesn't like Acer 1100's for
some reason and consistantly locks up my computer. Qualitas tech support
is working on this problem and I hope they can fix it. In the mean time
does anybody have any suggestions? Is Ventura really incapable of living
in the real world of network shells and printer cards? We used to run a
disk cache but Xerox said they conflicted with Ventura also. I could
sure use some advice.
Donna Harrington


Date: 01-08-89 (14:29)               Number: 611
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VP 2.0 BUG!                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hear is an interesting bug I found. I have a 386 PC with 2MB of memory
which 640k of it is for DOS, 384K useless, and 1024K used by
SMARTDERIVE. After loading DOS, MOUSE, UNET3 (network), FASTOPEN, NDE,
ETC. I used the FMARK to mark the beginning of the free memory so if I
needed to get rid of something that was loaded later, I could use
RELEASE. I got my Version 2 upgrade and installed it, started it and
got INTERNAL ERROR (0019) in a dialog box. The warning keep poping out
4 times and then everything worked fine. I called the support and after
waiting 10-15 minutes a nice gentleman answered the phone and after a
few try changing this and that in AUTOEXEC.BAT we decided that I did
not have enough RAM left. So I went and bought QEMM-386 and installed
it and all of a sudden I had 600K of free memory (instead of 501K) and
512K of SMARTDRIVE and 800K or so of EXPANDED memory and all my TSRs
safely loaded in high memory (it is so nice not to be worry about where
to put the network driver, mouse, etc.).
I tried VP again and no luck, the same error. So I started deleting
stuff from AUTOEXEC and interestingly enough, the culprit was FMARK.
Changed FMARK to MARK (a difference of 2.3K per mark, but who cares! I
now have 600K of free memory!) and everything started working like a
champ.


Date: 01-08-89 (14:47)               Number: 612
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: ARABIC FONTS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
Latest PC Magazine, Vol. 8 No. 2, had a review of a word processor
called Universal Word which supports every languages in the world
including Arabic. I called them for more info. and they said it does not
support POSTSCRIPT yet. However it looked very interesting. One of the
options in their menu is the direction that one wants the cursor to go,
left to right or right to left. However, the price is very high. Almost
$700 for the program and six languages.


Date: 01-08-89 (20:48)               Number: 615
  To: HERBERT STRANDBERG             Refer#: 600
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: ARTLINE & VP                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Herb...Ventura sent John out of town until the 27th for training. If
John Meyer sees the message, he may have an answer. I've heard from a
reliable source that the problem has nothing to do with the Ventura
Driver. It's more an incompatability problem between the version of GDOS
that Ventura is using and the one Artline is using. No confirmation on
this yet though.

...Gene


Date: 01-08-89 (21:03)               Number: 617
  To: PAUL GLASSMAN                  Refer#: 602
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: TAG TEAM                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Paul...Try calling Sage Productions at 5677 Oberlin Drive, San Diego, CA
92121. Telephone [phone]. They make a product called TAG Team
which automatically converts WordPerfect commands into Ventura Tags and
vice versa.  I don't know if it can handle the index problem, and can't
check this out for you since our only copy was sent out for evaluation
by a writer and it was not returned.

Please find this message and contine the message thread if the product
does what it is purported to do.



Date: 01-08-89 (21:31)               Number: 621
  To: DONNA HARRINGTON               Refer#: 609
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Donna...download the Ventura Software file "PERFORM2.ARC". John Meyer
updated his earlier version of the file VP_PRFM.ARC to supply users with
performance information about Ventura.

VP 2.0 can handle 128K of EMS and the Professional Extension supports
32Mb. Installing a disk cache program on your system will significantly
increase screen refresh time and screen font loading. Several users have
indicated that they have had really good luch installing the program
EEMRAM11.ARC on their system. EEMRAM fools DOS into thinking 732K of
meory is available instead of the 640K. Ventura only knows about the
640K on your machine, but the additional memory can store your screen
drivers, memory resident programs and although not recommended TSR
programs. I've used the software myself to force older versions of
Ventura to run on workstations connected to a LAN. I never had any
problems of any sort. You might want to try it.

John Meyer has also uploaded a file containing descriptions of the
numeric error messages which could appear on screen if you have an
installation error or similar conflict. The file is stored in the
Library File Area in Conference 1. I can't remember the name off the top
of my head.

...Gene


Date: 01-08-89 (21:35)               Number: 622
  To: DONNA HARRINGTON               Refer#: 609
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

One more thing Donna before I forget. The EEMRAM11.ARC program is stored
on the Main Board. Enter J;M or J M or J,M from the main menu to join
the main board. You need to go there to download the file. You can
return to the Ventura Conference (conference #1) by entering J;1, J 1,
or J,1 from the main board's menu. You can also enter J to see the
conference menu.

...Gene


Date: 01-08-89 (21:42)               Number: 623
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 611
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0 BUG!                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Morad...I would like to print your message in the magazine. We've had
about 20 calls on that problem, especially with LaserMaster users who
had older versions of their software. They were using the Mark and
Release programs from Unicorn also. Let me know if this is OK. We'll
print it in the Q&A section and give you the byline.



Date: 01-08-89 (21:52)               Number: 624
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 612
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: ARABIC FONTS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The VUMAN company, owned by Cambridge University, offers a program
called VUMAN Universal and a second program called VUMAN Scientific.
Both offer LaserMaster and HP support and do not handle PostScript.
Other printers supported are the JLaser, AST TurboLaser, Cordata, and
compatables. Both programs have the name VUWRITER and according to the
documentation, more versions exist.

They also sell a product called the VUMAN-VenturaLink which allows you
to transfer documents created with the word processor into Ventura. They
clain to have fonts and direct support for almost all languages. You
might want to drop them a letter. They have a distributer here in the
states: Cooperative Office Systems & Services (COSS), 207 Holly Roard,
Edgewater, Maryland 21037. Telephone [phone].

The Scientific version of the word processor sells for $295.00 and the
Link (hardware) sells for $45.00.

...Gene


Date: 01-08-89 (21:59)               Number: 625
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: 286 MEMORY FOR VPPROF          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am wondering if there are any ways to get the Professional Extension
to run on my Everex System 1800 (286 AT) with 640K + 384 Extended
Memory. I have tried using LIMSIM.SYS which takes about 60K of memory -
leaving me with 522 max, (LIM.SYS) allows extended memory to simulate
expanded memory).  At this point the system just locks up, (which I
expected).


Date: 01-09-89 (12:13)               Number: 628
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BOB MOODY                        Read: (N/A)
Subj: VPUG VERSION 2.0 CLASS         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

VPUG put on two 2.0 classes in November and December of last year, and
they were so sucessful that we thought we would do it again. The class
outline is available by calling [phone]. The cost is $95.00 and
will get you a one day class on Version 2.0 installation problem
solving, updates on the manual (some of the things in the new manuals
are incorrect), a complete rundown on the new package PLUS the
Professional Extension, and some good conversation in general about
Ventura. We also provide a disk with a few style sheets developed with
2.0. The class will be held at the Hewlett Packard facility in Cupertino
California on JANUARY 21, 1989, from 9:00 to 5:00, thats a Saturday.

If you are interested give us a call!


Date: 01-09-89 (14:08)               Number: 629
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 623
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0 BUG!                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sure. No problem!


Date: 01-09-89 (14:17)               Number: 630
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: NEW FORMAT                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
Sorry for putting the message in the wrong area. Tell you the truth this
new format realy confused me! The reason was mostly that I call another
board that uses the same software as this board, the one in Atlanta, but
they also allow you to configure the areas that you want to look at.
That way I can read all the messages in main and then it will (J)ump to
the next and next and next, etc. So I started readind the mail in main
and did not relize about other areas. I used the OPEN 3 and selected
(C)onfig which I thing basicaly will do the same thing but it says that
I have to be a registered user of realy door. Well I did it again! I
just noticed that again I am entring a message in the wrong area. I
think this belongs to main area. Sorry again.


Date: 01-09-89 (16:03)               Number: 632
  To: DONNA HARRINGTON               Refer#: 609
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Donna:

Join the crowd of Ventura users who scratch out heads over memory
requirements. I'm supposed to be the "authority", but I don't know
of too many absolute rules here -- except that more memory is better...
how's that for advice?

While I think I could help you, it would probably take more time than
a note on a bulletin board. Perhaps you might like to call me sometime
(maybe your company would hire me to help -- end of pitch):
415-962-9270.

Briefly, you CAN run Ventura with under 500k, provided that several
other conditions are met, like reallocation of graphics memory, the
proper screen driver, presence of high memory, and possibly the
Professional Extension.

Your particular dilemna is not uncommon or unusually extreme, and I
am quite sure there is a solution.




Rick Altman


Date: 01-09-89 (17:49)               Number: 634
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: SCREEN CAPTURE                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am trying to locate a screen capture program for use while in Ventura
that works with my Genius2 dual page monitor. I believe they are
available since some of the screen shots in the Ventura Reference Manual
(see pp 5-124, notice the pop-up menu is a square box and not two
inverted arrows), show them.


Date: 01-10-89 (09:12)               Number: 636
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID GELLER                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: VENTURA ON COMPUSERVE!         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Just learned that Xerox will be sponsoring a Ventura Publisher
forum on Compuserve in the near future. No date announced and this
has not be announced anywhere else. You heard on this BBS first!
My guess is that they will also be supporting their new Cricket
acquisition as well. CIS expects it to be one of the most popular
forums.


Date: 01-10-89 (09:29)               Number: 637
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID GELLER                     Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: 386 MEMORY MANAGERS            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have found Qualitas' 386-to-the-MAX to be an excellent program and
has allowed me to make great use of VP2.0-PRO. They now have 386LOAD
which lets you load device drivers, TSR's, etc. into HIGH DOS memory.
They can be reached at [phone]. They won a technical merit
award from PC Magazine for their work. You might also explore
Quarterdeck's memory products, but I prefer 386-to-the-MAX.


Date: 01-10-89 (14:38)               Number: 639
  To: DAVID GELLER                   Refer#: 637
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: NO
Subj: 386 MEMORY MANAGERS            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dave,
I just installed Quarterdeck's QEMM-386 and it does both memory mgmnt.
and loading TSRs and drivers into high memory (version 4.2) and of
course it can change you extended memory into expanded  (ems 4.0 or eems
3.2) and best of all, you get all this for $40.


Date: 01-10-89 (15:45)               Number: 640
  To: DONNA HARRINGTON               Refer#: NONE
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry you're having problems with 386MAX; their newest version is 4.02
and it works like a charm on my machine. They also have a new program
called 386LOAD which would load your network driver or other .SYS files
into high memory, thus clearing DOS memory.
  If you're using the latest LaserMaster software (4.0), you don't have
to pre-load anything before using Ventura. Just call up VP like normal,
and when it comes time to print, make sure the Capcard is selected and
everything shuld work from then on.  Lasermaster hopes that this will
work for all and on my system it does. I never have to run anything
before using Ventura or Artline and the Capcard. Try not preloading and
see if it works; if it does, that would certainly clear up some memory
for you.
  Hope this helps some. (p.s. registered users of the Capcard can log
onto their bbs and get the latest version of software)


Date: 01-10-89 (17:42)               Number: 641
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 625
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: 286 MEMORY FOR VPPROF          Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney...we've got a couple of those running the Professional Extension.
Your right...the expanded memory managers which force Extended Memory to
emulate Expanded memory tend to hog too much of the 640K Ventura wants
so much.

However, you may be able to use the 312K of extended memory as a cache
to speed Ventura up. I've managed to do it on two clone machines, but
have never tried it on one of our Everex machines. Your best bet is to
find a low priced expanded memory card such as the Everex Ram 3000
($90.00 on the street) and put 128K in it. You'll need 120 nano
second chips to do this effectively. Possibly, you might have an unused
printer controller card or another card which has 256kb memory chips on
it to use until memory prices drop down to a reasonable point.

To my knowledge, no one makes a EMS manager which occupies little of the
640kb memory.

...Gene


Date: 01-10-89 (18:03)               Number: 643
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 630
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: NEW FORMAT                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The other board may be used some enhancement software I'm not aware of.
Ask next time you log onto the other system. I'll try to get a copy. It
could be I'm also missing something in the 1200 pages of documentation
that I have for this thing.

No sweat about messages like this. I do want to keep the Ventura
specific messages in the Ventura Conference. There will be exceptions to
this rule once the other conferences are opened. All I need right now
are moderators to manage them.


Date: 01-10-89 (18:17)               Number: 646
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 634
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: SCREEN CAPTURE                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If I'm not mistaken, Ventura has their own screen capture program. They
use it internally or at least they used to.

You might want to try giving Advanced Vision Research a call. They seem
to have screen grabbers for all the large monitors. You might also give
the Genius folks a call. They should know about this for sure. AVR is in
San Jose, CA. Call information for the number. You can also try calling
SymSoft, Inc. in Los Altos, CA. They recently made changes to HotShot
Grab which made it more adaptable to large screen monitors.



Date: 01-10-89 (19:58)               Number: 650
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: EMM MANAGERS AND WINDOWS       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am currently using LIM386.SYS, placed in my config.sys file, to manage
my extended memory as expanded.  I then place SMARTDRV.SYS /A in the
next line to set up part of that memory as cache.  When I reboot,
somehow my root directory, and all of my subdirectories, on Drive C,
disappears.  I have to reboot from floppy, and change the config.sys to
remove these entries.  Basically, I want to know how to set up my system
properly so that I can run the Professional Extension under windows
using my extended memory as expanded, AND still be able to cache to part
of that memory.  I have a Micronics 20MHZ 386, Genius2 Dual Page
Display, and 1024 extended memory (total 2MB), Windos v. 2.03.  Also
Should I run VPPROF from a .PIF file that includes a batch file, or
simply fill in the correct program information such as DRVRMRGR.EXE in
program parameters, startup options that has the VPPROF %1 etc.?


Date: 01-10-89 (23:21)               Number: 652
  To: JOHN POWELL                    Refer#: 574
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: COLOR OUTPUT SUPPORT           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry, I don't know of any other color printers other than the QMS
Colorscript printer which is an expensive ($20,000) PostScript color
printer which VP 2.0 can drive. VP 1.1 and 2.0 can of course drive the
4020 from Xerox, and this driver is included with the product.


Date: 01-10-89 (23:27)               Number: 653
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 581
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA BUGS?                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Multiple copies of the same image will all use the same screen type.
..
2. You are correct. Lines thicker than 0.5 inch do not display on the
screen. This is a limitation of the screen drivers.
..
3.  The PIC file problem is something I am not aware of. Does it only
happen with PIC files? I have done a lot of cutting and pasting of the
type you describe and haven't had any problems.
..
4. Different screen drivers use different characters for the pop-up menu
symbol.


Date: 01-10-89 (23:31)               Number: 654
  To: DONNA HARRINGTON               Refer#: 609
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

To anyone who wants to know more about Ventura Publisher memory
requirements, I have uploaded a series of small articles on the subject.
VPAPP_2.ARC provides a table of the amount of memory which must be
available prior to running Ventura Publisher for various different
screen driver, EMS/non-EMS, HIMEM.SYS/non-HIMEM.SYS configurations. The
amount of memory is measured by the DOS CHKDSK command. For instance, if
you are running the Professional Extension with a two-color EGA screen
driver and DOS 3.2 with no EMS memory and no HIMEM.SYS driver, this
document will tell you the minimum amount of memory which CHKDSK can
report is available and yet still let VP run.
..
VPAPP_3.ARC provides actual examples of CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT
files which will configure your computer correctly.
..
Finally, the performance enhancement file I uploaded a month ago
provides lots of memory and performance enhancement tips.


Date: 01-11-89 (02:32)               Number: 655
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GARY KEITHLINE                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: WHICH LASER TO BUY..           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

ANY INPUT FROM ALL OF YOU EXPERIENCED USERS.  WHICH LASER IS THE BEST
BUY?  FROM A BUYERS VIEWPOINT LASERMASTER APPEARS TO DO IT ALL WITH A HP
LASERJET.  IS THIS MY IMMAGINATION OR SHOULD I LOOK FURTHER INTO A PURE
POSTCRIPT PRINTER. IS 600 DPI WORTH WAITING FOR AND HOW LONG IS THE
WAITING... ANY INPUT WILL BE APPRECIATED?


Date: 01-11-89 (08:34)               Number: 656
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GIRARD HEATH                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: WHY DON'T I GET ALL PAGE       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have a document that I have been working on for some time using 1.1
patch 2, and there are some cases when not all the page numbers display.
 This only happens for one or two pages in a chapter and it seems to be
only right hand pages.  Has anyone had this happen to you and, if so,
how can I get around it?  Or, is it a bug?  Call me at [phone] or
leave a message on the bulletin board. Thanks in advance.


Date: 01-11-89 (09:39)               Number: 657
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 643
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: NO
Subj: NEW FORMAT                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
The other board uses a different door than RealyDoor that you have. The
problem that I have with the current format is that it does not brings
you from one conf. to the next based on a configuration. the C option of
door 3 says that this option is only available to the registered users
of realy door. Does it mean that I have to send them a registration fee
and then they will tell you to let me use C option on your board?!
The name of the door on the other system is ProDoor and it is version
2.83
It comes from Tool Shop BBS [phone] / [phone]. Of course I
understand the amount of work that goes into setting up a board and I
am not trying to tell you how to run your system. Just a suggestion.
As I mentioned before, the ProDoor has the config. and ARCMail that
archives all the unseen mail in all confs. etc. Again it is up to you.
Thanks for the nice system and all the help.


Date: 01-11-89 (09:43)               Number: 658
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: INTERNAL ERR 0019 AGAIN        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

In addition to FMARK that causes INT ERR 0019, I just found out that
ANSI.COM from PC Magazine, Vol. 8 No. 2, also causes the same error as
soon as you start VP.


Date: 01-12-89 (00:23)               Number: 661
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 650
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: EMM MANAGERS AND WINDOWS       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney:

I have had my own set of problems trying to run Ventura under
Windows. I have concluded (I think) that it is better to fill in
the correct and specific DRVRMRGR info in the PIF file rather than
just call the batch file. My problem is a never-ceasing TOO MANY
FILES OPEN message, regardless of how many files I set in CONFIG.
Have you had any similar experiences?




Rick Altman


Date: 01-12-89 (00:28)               Number: 662
  To: GARY KEITHLINE                 Refer#: 655
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: WHICH LASER TO BUY..           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gary:

Which laser printer to buy, in 100 words or less...

The HP and LaserMaster is certainly a fast and able solution
UNLESS you need portability to other laser printers or to type-
setting devices. Then a PostScript printer will better serve you.
If you decide to go that route, my favorite is the QMS PS-810.
This opinion is also shared by a majority of the magazines that
have reviewed PS printers.  Seventy-seven words...not bad.




Rick Altman


Date: 01-12-89 (15:40)               Number: 666
  To: GARY KEITHLINE                 Refer#: 655
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: YES
Subj: WHICH LASER TO BUY..           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I can heartily recommend the LaserMaster CapCard. Have been using the
LC2 with 35 fonts and some additional ones I've added for about four
months now and have been thorought impressed. The card works flawlessly
with the HP II and Ventura, Artline, and Windows applications. Seldom do
I have to wait longer than 45 seconds, even for the most complicated
page. I've been told the newer LC6 is even faster.
  The only Postscript experience I've had is using the LMPAGE
interpreter that works with the Capcard. Some simple "programs" take
forever to print (I'm talking upwards to twenty minutes). The results
are impressive certainly, but I imagine that there will be programs
available that will cut that time down without using a Postscript
printer.
  With LMPAGE (which will NOT print all Postscript or EPS files), I can
use WordPerfect with its Apple Laserwrite printer definition and saving
to a Postscript file to write a quick or long letter, report, etc., and
then print it using LMPAGE. I can use Ventura to print some EPS files,
but I'm not able to size the picture. Apparently, a drawing program like
Illustrator is needed for sizing.
  If you write to Lasermaster or call them, they'll be happy to send you
literature and specs.
  Hope some of this is helpful.


Date: 01-12-89 (20:32)               Number: 667
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN LYNCH                       Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: FULL PAGE 19 INCH MONITOR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am about to take the plunge, that is I am gripped by buying fever.
Thats right I'm going to spend over 1
thousand dollars on a moniter and I need some help from those of you who
have made this step.
I have a publishing business and although some grahics will creep into
our flyers and brochures, the bulk of our need is for full page text
work. I have found myself lost while scrolling through large books!
To wit, what matter gray scales and are the nuances of resolution
discernable? Square pixel, 0.31mm, and does anyone have any brand names
to reccomend?
I have found these high price items don't seem to get enough press to
make an informed comparison.
Thanks for your help.
Sincerely,  John Lynch, aka Launch Press


Date: 01-12-89 (21:07)               Number: 668
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: SVEN PRETORIOUS                  Read: (N/A)
Subj: LASER PRINTERS?                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

What do YOU think of the AST TurboLaser printer?

Are they good?  Or bad?  Have specific problems?

I would appreciate any information you might have on them.

  Thanks,
    Sven P.


Date: 01-13-89 (00:11)               Number: 670
  To: JOHN LYNCH                     Refer#: 667
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: FULL PAGE 19 INCH MONITOR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John:

I find it ironic that when faced with a purchasing decision in upwards
of $2,000 of hardware, one of the very most important aspects is
the software that is bundled with it. My choice is the Cornerstone
Dual Page because it has the cleanest screen fonts around, including
all 11 PostScript typefaces.

The Cornerstone is not as fast as others that have lower-grade screen
fonts (like the Viking Moniterm or the Sigma LaserView) and it
has "only" a Hercules emulation (some have EGA emulation; others
have none). I just think it is the best-looking display, and well-
supported, if not particularly well-promoted.




Rick Altman


Date: 01-13-89 (00:25)               Number: 671
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: PHILIP BURTON                    Read: NO
Subj: MISSING FILES ???              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,

I tried to download some files which were listed in the directories, but
were not found!?!  vp_app2.arc and vp_app3.arc are some examples.

Is this a problem with the transition to the new BBS software?


Date: 01-13-89 (00:58)               Number: 673
  To: ALL                            Refer#: 655
From: GARY KEITHLINE                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is this Mac program out their for the IBM?  Appreciate those of you who
answered my laser buy question. What other Mac programs are going to go
to the MS-DOS world?  What can I expect to pay, and what kind of memory
requirements are there for something like Illustrator???


Date: 01-13-89 (10:32)               Number: 674
  To: JOHN LYNCH                     Refer#: 667
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: YES
Subj: FULL PAGE 19 INCH MONITOR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John,
I do not have a full page monitor yet, but was thinking about it while
back. One brand that I found good and not expensive is Design View.
There was a short review of it in PC Magazine a few issues back. Their
phone # is 215-639-9567.


Date: 01-13-89 (18:48)               Number: 676
  To: RICK ALTMAN                    Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN LYNCH                       Read: YES
Subj: 19 INCH FULL PAGE MONITOR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks a lot for your input. Curiously enough the Cornerstone 19 inch
monitor with four grey scales is my current choice. I've called the
manufacturer and spoken with the tech people and they are available and
friendly. I have found that teh quality of tech support cannot be
underrated in decideing on hardware.
Several months ago I wrote you regarding macros in word perfect and you
«&Ywrote back right away answering my questions. I take this opportunity
to say thanks again.


Date: 01-13-89 (18:53)               Number: 677
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN LYNCH                       Read: YES
Subj: 19 INCH FULL PAGE MONITOR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for your note about the Design View monitor. I'll be going
through my back issues of PC Magazine and calling the vendor. When I get
my monitor I'll let you know what kind and how it performs although I'm
sure that no more scrolling will make any choice the right one.
Good Luck!


Date: 01-13-89 (19:09)               Number: 678
  To: JOHN LYNCH                     Refer#: 667
From: TODD LEONARD                     Read: YES
Subj: FULL PAGE 19 INCH MONITOR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm not familiar with "full" page monitors in the strictest sense, but I
use an Amdek 1280 "nearly full" (that's my phrase) page monitor.  I've
found that when I use the .PSF screen fonts that are available from the
magazine, I can get about 6.5 or 7 vertical inches (of the page) on the
screen in normal mode.  This is without rulers.  Thus, depending on the
size of the top and bottom margins you are using, you have a decent
chance of seeing all the text at once.

Granted, when you wish to design documents that run a bit taller than
usual, or when you want to see the "grand picture", whitespace and all,
you have to make a sacrifice.  However, the low price (I believe we got
it for less than $700) is a pretty decent comfort.


Date: 01-14-89 (03:32)               Number: 679
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN RICHARDSON                  Read: YES
Subj: VP FOR THE MAC                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been reading in the Macintosh press that Ventura Publisher is
just
about to be released for the Macintosh. Could you comment on that? If
so, will the Mac version be equivalent to VP v2.0 or even more enhanced?
I'd appreciate any information that you feel at liberty to give.  John


Date: 01-14-89 (03:35)               Number: 680
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN RICHARDSON                  Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA PROFESSIONAL           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Your last message to me in early December was to see an article in
Ventura Professional for December. I realize that I live in the sticks
but this is ridiculous. I still haven't received the December issue.
Can you give me any help with this? John P. Richardson, Waynesville NC


Date: 01-15-89 (18:33)               Number: 684
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 650
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: EMM MANAGERS AND WINDOWS       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney...if you have not done so already, download the files
PERFORM2.ARC, APPL_2.ARC, and APPL_3.ARC. All three files were uploaded
by John Meyer at Ventura Software. PERFORM2.ARC contains performce
information for correctly setting up Ventura Publisher to use Expanded
Memory. APPL_2.ARC contains additional information with specific focus
on the use of Expanded Memory. APPL_3.ARC gives samples of AUTOEXEC.BAT
and CONFIG.SYS files for properly configuring Ventura for EMS.

Please note that quite a few users have been having problems setting
Ventura up so that it would recognize EMS. For 386 machines, the general
recommendation of power users so far has been to use either Desqview's
QEMM or 386totheMAX. I myself have had several EMS managers refuse to
operate with Ventura (i.e. Ventura never recognizes the memory). I have
also had very good look using the EMM.SYS LIM 4.0 driver supplied with
Everex memory cards. I also use MicroSoft's SMARTDRV.SYS for disk
caching on some machines and Lighting on others. I'm happy with the
operation of both of these caches. Other users may know about caches
which also work.

If you continue to have a problem, leave me a message at 408-227-5030
and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

In an earlier message, you were attempting to run Ventura on an Everex
1800 with the 312K of extended memory available on the system. You were
attempting to convert Extended to EMS. I've setup a system here with the
same machine and would like to work with you on developing a solution
for running Ventura with emulated EMS. I've been given several EMS
managers which are purported to work, but I haven't had the chance to
use them yet.

...Gene


Date: 01-15-89 (18:40)               Number: 686
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 652
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: COLOR OUTPUT SUPPORT           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John...Freedom of Press has a color version coming soon which will
support more printers using their PostScript emulator. It's a bit slow,
but it can get the job done.

I've also heard that a vendor in the LA area has built a RIP for the OEM
Mitsubishi engine used on the QMS printer. I have no specific details
yet and am working on trying to get more information. I've heard that
they are using a third party company to build Windows and Ventura
drivers for the machine. I'll have more information in about a week when
my contact returns from vacation.

...Gene


Date: 01-15-89 (22:50)               Number: 688
  To: JOHN LYNCH                     Refer#: 676
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: 19 INCH FULL PAGE MONITOR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John:

I answered a question about WordPerfect? I?? Did I bullshit
through the answer or did it actually contain some substance...?

Anyway, glad to help -- and good luck with your high-resolution
adventures.



rick.


Date: 01-16-89 (09:40)               Number: 690
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 684
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: EMM MANAGERS AND WINDOWS       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the information on EMM MANAGERS.  I would be glad to work
on these Managers with you, just let me know what I need to do.


Date: 01-16-89 (19:11)               Number: 692
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VENTURA OPERATORS              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am looking for Ventura Operators in the San Francisco/Bay Area to
serve my expanding client base.  If you like to work at home, are modem
equipped, are using version 2.0, AND the Professional Extension, please
leave me a message that includes your address and I will send you
further information in the mail.


Date: 01-16-89 (22:54)               Number: 694
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE GARMAN                     Read: YES
Subj: MAGAZINE                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Please send me a copy of your VP magazine and information about the
users group. I am a first time user and am on this board for the first
time also. Steve Garman, 7701 N. Broadway A-6, Oklahoma City, OK  73116.
Thanks for your help. Am also looking for a good tutorial on VP 2.0 or
even a bad one.  It's just a little cryptic to me at the moment and I'm
a 5 year computer user dating back to CPM days, but I understand from
others that the learning curve is well worth it so I'm trying to take
the plunge.  Any help toward tutoring would be appreciated.


Date: 01-17-89 (05:01)               Number: 695
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BILL LAMP'L                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: SCREEN FONTS, PRINT DRIVR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Regarding v2.0: even though I'm using VGA graphics, Ventura's letter
"s" looks like a shaded figure 8. I didn't have this problem with 1.1;
am I missing something?  Also, the literature says 2.0 can be installed
for NEC P-series printers; which printer on the list should I pick for
my P5-XL, as I don't see NEC on the list.   Thank you.


Date: 01-17-89 (08:02)               Number: 696
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: STEVE BECKWITT                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: POTENTIAL V 2.0 BUG            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

When editing an entry in a footnote frame it seems that one can't delete
highlighted text with the "Edit-Cut Text" menu option. The keyboard
"Del" key works fine. Can anyone else confirm this bug?


Date: 01-17-89 (14:37)               Number: 698
  To: JOHN RICHARDSON                Refer#: 680
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA PROFESSIONAL           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hmmmm!...I called over to VPUG and they indicate that December was
shipped and you should have received it a long time ago. Let me know if
you haven't got a copy yet. I'll send you one myself.

...Gene


Date: 01-17-89 (14:49)               Number: 699
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 690
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: EMM MANAGERS AND WINDOWS       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney...I've got a little looking around to do. I have the letters the
vendors sent to VPUG, but not the packages. Someone usually stores them
away over at the VPUG office. I'll try to get one or two to you for
testing and will test others here. Remind me in a week if you haven't
got them in the mail yet. One user on the LASERPUB echo indicated that a
product called LANTHANA will work. I'll have to see if we have a copy
and send it off to you in the mail.

...Gene


Date: 01-17-89 (15:33)               Number: 702
  To: STEVE GARMAN                   Refer#: 694
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: MAGAZINE                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Steve...Christina Martinelli from VPUG mailed a copy of the magazine
along with an invoice to you today.


Date: 01-15-89 (20:21)               Number: 707
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: AARON T.                         Read: (N/A)
Subj: VENTURA AND HP DESKJET         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Wondering if anyone knows about a patch or driver for ventura (don't
know if it's available in V2) to run on an HP Deskjet.  I really hate to
buy the Epson emullation cartridge.
thanks
-a


Date: 01-16-89 (10:20)               Number: 708
  To: AARON T.                       Refer#: NONE
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA AND HP DESKJET         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Aaron:

Here is a message that John Meyer left here a couple of weeks back:

While at Comdex, I saw a program from Atech software which
lets Ventura Publisher drive virtually any printer,
including the DeskJet. Unlike another solution which I have
seen which requires translating a PostScript file and takes
15-20 minutes, this drives the DeskJet with a 300 dpi bit
map and takes about 4 minutes per page. If anyone is
interested in this product (which sells for $195), they
should contact Atech Software, 629 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road,
San Marcos, CA 92069, [phone]. I'm not endorsing the
product, since I don't own a DeskJet and haven't tried it,
but I know a lot of people are interested in this printer so
I thought I'd pass this along.

Incedentally, the reason Ventura Software doesn't include a
driver with Ventura Publisher is that the DeskJet only comes
with 128K of memory which is not enough to download any  driver, which
otherwise would work. Therefore, a whole new driver would be
required, similar to the the one that Atech has written. We
felt the performance of this type of driver was not in
keeping with the performance of Ventura Publisher, since the
DeskJet can print faster than 4 minutes per page. However,
given the limited memory in a standard DeskJet, the type of
driver which Atech has written is the only approach which
makes sense, and they appear to have done a good job
implementing it, based on watching their driver print the
SCOOP chapter at Comdex.



Hope this helps.

Rick Altman


Date: 01-16-89 (14:17)               Number: 709
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BOB COE                          Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: MOUSE SOFT LOAD PROBLEM        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

When loading vpprof using Logitek His-res mouse VP will load but mouse
will not work and must ctl-alt-del to exit and retry. Must retry several
times before mouse will work! Solution? Only one copy of mouse is loaded
and no copies exist in root dir.


Date: 01-17-89 (18:06)               Number: 710
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 692
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA OPERATORS              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney:

Are you looking for people who can serve as consultants or are
you looking for people to whom you can serve as consultants.

If it is the former, then I am interested in speaking with you.
Perhaps 75% of my consulting practice is desktop publishing
and over half of that is over-the-phone Ventura assistance.

Call me at [phone] if you would like to talk further.
I have good credentials.




Rick Altman


Date: 01-17-89 (18:11)               Number: 711
  To: STEVE GARMAN                   Refer#: 694
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: MAGAZINE                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Steve:

Saw your message to Gene, the Sysop -- welcome!

I produce and sell a tutorial for Ventura 2.0, complete
with self-paced, relevant exercises. It is time and field-
tested and is available now.

It sells for $35, including diskette (add $2.50 for postage).

You could call me at [phone] if you wanted more info,
or a list of references of students who have used the workbook.
Or you could just send a check to LETTER PERFECT for $37.50:

   2040 W. Middlefield, No. 5
   Mountain View, CA  94043


I hope Gene doesn't get mad at me for such blatant promotion...
Welcome to the User Forum, Steve.




Rick Altman


Date: 01-17-89 (19:16)               Number: 712
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: FRANK WANCHO                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: HOT PRODUCTS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

First, to those with 286-based machines with only extended (not expanded
) memory: we expect to shortly receive the latest version of HIMEM.SYS
directly from inside Microsoft, complete with test programs, samples,
and sources.  I will upload it as soon as we receive it.  This one
little device driver recovered about 60K of low memory and VPPROF loads
just fine with no need of an /A= or /F= add-on.
.
The hot product is Pizazz Plus, a screen capture program and then some.
This solved all my problems.  It writes several formats, including its
own portable format, Pub. PB .PCX, VP .PCX, TIFF, etc.  It retails for
$149, but CompuAd carries it for $67 (and worth every penny!).  CompuAd
doesn't always have THE best prices, but this and Insight Development's
Laser Control (retail $150) at $87 are the best prices I've seen.
.
--Frank


Date: 01-17-89 (20:24)               Number: 714
  To: RICK ALTMAN                    Refer#: 710
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA OPERATORS              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rick, I am looking for Ventura Operators that I can assign various
projects to that can be done at home. Some assignments may involve
working at a client site. I will call you this week.


Date: 01-17-89 (20:31)               Number: 716
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 699
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: EMM MANAGERS AND WINDOWS       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the follow up. My address is EIP Associates, 150 Spear Suite
1500, S.F. CA  94105


Date: 01-17-89 (20:41)               Number: 717
  To: BOB COE                        Refer#: 709
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: MOUSE SOFT LOAD PROBLEM        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I use a logitech Hi-Res Bus Mouse with no problem. Are you attempting to
run VP AFTER running Windows by any chance? If so this may be the
problem, especially if you are using a serial mouse (Windows does NOT
reset the serial port after you exit.


Date: 01-18-89 (06:04)               Number: 722
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ROGER FIRTH                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: PROBLEM WITH ALT/NNN           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Using VPProf on a Wyse 2112, I have a problem with using ALT/nnn to
access the extended character set.  Some characters (eg ALT/168,
ALT/175) work, others (eg ALT/169, ALT/176) generate only a question
mark.  The ones that work are those where the native IBM character is╤
the same as the VP International character (eg ALT/175 is a right double
chevron in both); the ones that don't are those where the IBM chaacter
differs from the VP.  It looks as though some mapping table is wrong,
but whose table, and where?  At the DOS level, all of the ALT/nnn keys
work as expected - ALT/176 for instance gives a grey block.
The software works correctly when installed on an Olivetti M24
(= AT&T 6300).
ANy suggestions most gratefully received.

Roger


Date: 01-18-89 (08:20)               Number: 723
  To: ROGER FIRTH                    Refer#: NONE
From: BOB COE                          Read: YES
Subj: ALTNNN ON WYSE                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Problems I have encountered with alt144 appear to be related to the
filter in vpprof loading ascii characters from wordperfect rel 5.0. Work
around given to me by Xerox was to save as rel 4.2. Other altnnn
problems appear to be related. Let me know what you learn. Thanks.


Date: 01-18-89 (08:21)               Number: 724
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: NONE
From: BOB COE                          Read: YES
Subj: MOUSE SOFT LOAD                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am not using windows. Xerox just told me problem may be a conflict in
interrupts between mouse and monitor. Am attempting to resolve.


Date: 01-18-89 (08:27)               Number: 725
  To: BOB MOODY                      Refer#: NONE
From: BOB COE                          Read: NO
Subj: MOUSE AND DEGREE SYMBOL        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Had call back from XEROX - mouse soft load problem may be conflict in
interupts between mouse and monitor. Degree symbol is a problem with
text load filter in VP not handling ascii characcters above nnn.
Solution to save as  WordPerfect Rel 4.2 not 5.0! Also suggested to work
around poor memory management to use smartdrive.sys driver from windows
or highmem.sys or qemm.sys. Do you have any experience with these? Also
are you familiar with Golden Bow VTSR software?


Date: 01-18-89 (14:41)               Number: 726
  To: JOHN FINLAYSON                 Refer#: 528
From: JOHN FINLAYSON                   Read: NO
Subj: WP 5.0 LOAD/SAVE               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ron,
  I've been using your suggested workaround for getting ASCII 128+
characters into VP 2.0 from WP 5.0.  VP does indeed read these
correctly.
  The method you described for recovering a WordPerfect file that
VP has "corrupted" works, but I'm not about to recommend it to the
technophobes in our office.  Instead, I've written a little COM file
that converts the codes of those characters from the 4.2 (E1xxE1) to
the Ventura bracket codes (<xxx>).
  I'll upload it (FIXWP50.ARC) with brief docs.


Date: 01-18-89 (14:49)               Number: 727
  To: JOHN RICHARDSON                Refer#: 679
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: VP FOR THE MAC                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Sorry,  no comment on the Macintosh rumors. I've seen quite a few of
them  lately.  I certainly wouldn't get my  hopes  up.  These rumors
have been around for over a year now,  including a  front page  story in
MacWorld last August which made it sound as though the product was
already finished.


Date: 01-18-89 (18:12)               Number: 730
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 654
From: DONNA HARRINGTON                 Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi John,
Thanks, I will download the files and take a look at them. I'll try
anything right now as we purchased Ver 2.0 and the professional
extention and haven't been able to get them up yet.
Donna Harrington


Date: 01-18-89 (18:15)               Number: 731
  To: DENIS LATKOWSKI                Refer#: 640
From: DONNA HARRINGTON                 Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Denis,
I have ordered 386LOAD and Qualitas thinks it might help. I just
downloaded the new vp20.arc file from LaserMaster and will give it a
try. I sure would like to get Ventura 2.0 up.
Donna Harrington


Date: 01-18-89 (18:21)               Number: 733
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 622
From: DONNA HARRINGTON                 Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hi Gene,
Thanks for the tips, I'll download those files and see what I come up
with. It sure is fun paying people like Xerox for stuff and then
spending hours trying to figure out how to get it to work. Maybe we
should have stuck with Interleaf. Just kidding.
Donna Harrington


Date: 01-19-89 (04:36)               Number: 734
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 698
From: JOHN RICHARDSON                  Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA PROFESSIONAL           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene:
I still haven't gotten the December issue of Ventura Professional. It
probably got lost in the Christmas rush (or with the rash of mail
dumping). I would appreciate it if you could send me a replacement copy.
My address is: John Richardson, 47 Calhoun Rd., Waynesville, NC 28786


Date: 01-19-89 (10:33)               Number: 737
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: LENNY BAILES                     Read: YES
Subj: VP SCREEN FONTS                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hmm.  I'm a little unclear about the necessity for having to rename
the screen fonts to the .PSF extension.   What I do is rename them
to .CGA or .EGA depending on screen resolution, and they show up
properly when the font is selected from the Postscript width table.
    (It may not be well known that these same fonts can also be
renamed to .EPS or .B30 and used by Epson or HPLJ printers (though
the point sizes won't match -- they'll be about one-half their
nominal point size when printed on the Epson)).
     These screen fonts appear to be in the standard GEM screenfont
format, not really related to Postscript at all, since each point
size requires a separate font file.   I've still never managed to
get to the ABFtoFNT utility to work with any real postscript printer
fonts to generate screen fonts, though the HPLtoFNT utility _will_
produce useable screen fonts from Laserjet soft fonts (.SFP).


Date: 01-19-89 (10:37)               Number: 738
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: LENNY BAILES                     Read: YES
Subj: SCREEN FONTS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Oh, I see you have some new Adobe fonts online.  My last message
was referring to the screen fonts listed under particular typeface
name, like Korinna, Avant Garde, etc ... I haven't looked at the
Adobe Arc files.


Date: 01-19-89 (11:14)               Number: 739
  To: GARY KEITHLINE                 Refer#: 655
From: ROB PANNONI                      Read: YES
Subj: WHICH LASER TO BUY..           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gary,

The LaserMaster is a good product.  If you are concerned about
Postscript compatibility, look into the RIPS Postscript-clone
card.  It is marketed by several companies.  The version I am most
familiar with is sold by Princetion Publishing Labs.  This product
consists of a card that connects to a series II printer, like the
LaserMaster.  Because it is Postscript compatible, however, you don't
need a program-specific driver to use it.  The magazine reviews I
have read show the RIPS card to be up to 30 times as fast as the
Laserwriter (the card uses the new Weitek RISC processor).  I will
purchasing a copy of this card in the near future for evaluation
purposes.  Perhaps, I can even write up my experiences with it in
the form of a hardware review for the BBS or the magazine.  I don't
have a phone number for PPL handy but I will look for it and leave
another message on the board.

--Rob Pannoni


Date: 01-19-89 (13:41)               Number: 741
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Found how to use RELAY to extract messages but see no way to acces the
resulting file. Any clues?

    /╫\
    ╟╫╢
    ╟╫/╥╥╥\
    ║/║║╨║║\  ╖
    /║║║╥║║║\ ╟─╖╓─╖╥─╖╥─╖
    │║║║║╨╨║  ║ ║╓─╢║  ║ ║
    └╨╨╨╨──╜  ╙─╜╙─╨╨  ╨ ╙
B Y R O N   C A N F I E L D


Date: 01-19-89 (15:15)               Number: 742
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: KEN RUBMAN                       Read: YES
Subj: VP 20 QUESTIONS                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

DEAR JOHN, LOVE 2.0 BUT LETME ASK SOME QUESTIONS PLEASE
I DON'T LIKE THAT WHEN YOU TYPE IN A CHAPTER IT AUTOMATICALLY PUT THE
TEXT FILE IN TYPESET- CAN YOU FIX IT SO IT PUTS IT IN THE WORDPROCESSING
DIRECTORY.  2>I ALSO DON'T LIKE THE AUTOMATICALLY NAMING OF A CHAPTER
BASED ON THE WORD PROCESSING FILE BEING LOADED IN 3>ALSO NOTICE THAT AT
CERTAIN OCCASSIONS THE TEXT FILE IS AUTOMATICAALY CHANGED  i RUN THEVPUG
ON LONG ISLAND AND A TYPESET BUSINESS AND THESE PROBLEM PLAY HAVOC ON
FILE MANAGEMENT I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE AND FOR NOVICES ITS PROBABLY
WONDERFUL-- BUT  FOR ME ITS TROUBLE.  ALSO WHAT IS DIS. HYPHEN-2 I SEEM
TO GET THIS ONCEIN A WHILE IN THE EMPTY BOX ABOVE THE PG NUMBER WHEN IM
IN TEXT MODE...I'LL DELETER A RETURN AND ALL HELL BRREAKS LOOSE. SEEMS
TO HAPPEN AROUND TABS... I'LL BE TRYING TO GET CURSOR AT CERTAIN POINT
I'LL CLICK DOWN THE CURSOR WILL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OFF THE SCREEN AND
DIS. HYPHEN2 WILL APPEAR IN THE TEXT BOX.  WHEN I PRINT A PUB 50-100PP
IT ALWAYS FREEZES DURING PRINTING ALWAYS AFTER A CHAPTER IS COMPLETED.
SOMETIMES IT WILL DEVELOP A LITTLE BOX INSIDE THE PRINT BOX SOMETIME THE
ENTIRE SCREEN GOES CRAZY.
BUT NOW THAT I HAVE SAID ALL THIS (MY EQUIPMENT=VP20 PROF EXT, MONITERM,
LM CARD, 2 MG RAM) THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL VERSIONS OF VENTURA WE HAVE
BUILT UP A WONDER DTP TYPESETTING BUSINESSS AROUND YOUR PROGRAM THANK
YOU


Date: 01-17-89 (17:44)               Number: 744
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DICK CAMPBELL                    Read: YES (Has Replies)
Subj: PSW FONT WIDTH QUESTION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I offer this story and analysis for comment from anyone who knows.
A client brought a lengthy mostly-text CHP file set for us to
print on our laser printer. This chapter was prepared using VP2.0
and using the fonts distributed with the 2.0 package. I read it
in to VP2.0 but I am using the Bitstream font generator which
has created font sets based on PS character width. As you guessed,
long 'bout page three, we slipped a word at the bottom line.

I studied the font files (HLVB3008.SFP vs AA080IHP.SFP) and
noticed the cap M width for the former is 104 while the latter
is 108. The percent sign (%) has a width of 104 for the former
and 112 for the latter. The copyright notice near the beginning
of each file is identical - both (C) Bitstream, Inc, 1987.

My question is - why can't Xerox distribute PS width fonts with
VP which exactly match the PS width fonts in the Bitstream kit
also distributed by Xerox? It's an annoyance more than a serious
problem, but I thought I'd mention it to see if it a "match"
can be had in the next release.

Dick Campbell




Date: 01-19-89 (16:47)               Number: 745
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS COFFIN                     Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: UTILITY TO CAPTURE SCREEN      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello all,
Thank you to whoever started this BBS for existing!
We are new to DTP and hope to both contribute and also find some answers
to some questions about using Ventura and making it easier to be
productive with this powerful package.
We have an immediate need that we are trying to find an answer for. We
are writing a manual on a software product and want to capture our
screens and be able to incorporate them into the manual without
re-creating them.  The screens/menu contain standard ASCII characters as
well as the higher end box drawing graphic characters.  We have SNIPPER
and a couple of other utilities but they don't seem to translate well
into the VP domain.  Are we completely missing something?  Is there a
way to do this and keep it in the TEXT format?  Is there a utility to
print them to a LaserJet and then paste them?

Any and all input is appreciated....  The hunt goes on!

                       Best regards,
                                Chris Coffin
                                Touchbase Systems


Date: 01-19-89 (18:53)               Number: 747
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 716
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: EMM MANAGERS AND WINDOWS       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney...I'm shipping a package produced by a company called Lanthana.
The claim that is does work with Ventura Publisher. You might also want
to take a look at Frank Wancho's message entered today.


Date: 01-19-89 (18:59)               Number: 749
  To: ROBERT THOMAS                  Refer#: 719
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: COMMENT                        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rob...there was a message on our local Fido net echo about PC Pursuit
having a problem with baud rate shifiting. It seems that 1200 baud calls
were getting down shifted to 450 baud and that 2400 baud calls were
dropping to 600 baud. Since few bulletin boards support these speeds. I
assume that a lot of the calls were simply geeting dropped since the
boards didn't know how to handle them.


Date: 01-19-89 (19:14)               Number: 752
  To: ROGER FIRTH                    Refer#: 722
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: PROBLEM WITH ALT/NNN           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Roger...I'll point out this problem to John Grant when he returns from
vacation (22 January). Hans Andriese from the VPUG in The Netherlands
has also brought this problem to our attention.



Date: 01-19-89 (19:21)               Number: 753
  To: DONNA HARRINGTON               Refer#: 731
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VP 2.0                         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The name of the file VP20.ARC uploaded by Dennis Latkowski has been
renamed to LMVP20.ARC since a file of that name already existed. The
file has been also moved to the LaserMaster Conference area. Note that
an agreement has been reached with LaserMaster where updated files will
be periodically uploaded to the Forum and placed in the new conference.


Date: 01-19-89 (19:24)               Number: 754
  To: JOHN RICHARDSON                Refer#: 734
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA PROFESSIONAL           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The December and January issue of the magazine are running late
according to the VPUG circulation manager. The source of the problem is
a post office computer problem involving bulk rate permits. December is
mailed and January is being processed. February will be shipped in about
a week.

If you continue to have problems, leave a message fro Christina
Martinelli. She will follow through.


Date: 01-19-89 (19:48)               Number: 755
  To: LENNY BAILES                   Refer#: 737
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VP SCREEN FONTS                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The .PSF file extension had to exist for VP 1.1 to recognize the screen
fonts. Ventura 1.1 was mapped to display the fonts as 75 dpi. This is no
longer necessary with VP 2.0 since any extension can be assigned to any
screen font.



Date: 01-19-89 (19:50)               Number: 756
  To: LENNY BAILES                   Refer#: 738
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: SCREEN FONTS                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Adobe-1 through Adobe-7 are the same screen fonts, but they are stored
in the disk format used in the 7 disk set distributed by VPUG. Many
users wanted an easier way of downloading the entire font set without
having to download the files for each typeface.


Date: 01-19-89 (20:04)               Number: 759
  To: DICK CAMPBELL                  Refer#: 744
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: PSW FONT WIDTH QUESTION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I don't know if this has anything to do with the problem, but not two
long ago, the LaserMaster Corporation shipped new Bitstream outline
fonts to all users indicating that they would break line endings
correctly. I'll lay odds that you have and older set of outlines which
do not have the new code. I would call Bitstream and ask them what's
going on.

I use the LaserMaster often and had experienced line break problems
after two or three pages of multi-column text before the new fonts
arrived. I have'nt run into the problem lately and we've received no
complaints from our typographer.


Date: 01-19-89 (20:15)               Number: 760
  To: CHRIS COFFIN                   Refer#: 745
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: UTILITY TO CAPTURE SCREEN      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ventura remaps certain ASCII characters between 160 and 254 which
conflict with the line characters in the IBM character set. HP and VS
Software both sell font sets which place the line character set in the
lower 128 numbers. There are althernate solutions though. I've done a
lot of the same type of work.

SymSoft, Inc. sells a product called HotShot Grab which will save the
file off in their .SCR format or .PCX format. They also sell a second
product called HotShot Graphics which will take an SCR file and convert
it into a text file.

The quality of the Courier screen font used by SymSoft has been
preferable to my customers when I deliver PCX files rather than text
files. It looks a little more natural. If you would rather use a
straight text file, order the line drawing set ffrom VS Software in
Oklahoma and use HotShot Graphics to make the text files. The telephone
numbers for SymSoft and VS Software should be in the bulletin containing
the telephone directory (12 I think).

Inner Media Systems makes another product called collage that does the
same. I will save a file in PCX or Text format. Jewell Technologies
makes a screen capture program called Graph Plus which offers similar
features. Look in the small adds in the back of PC World magazine for an
address. Other products exist which capture screens and other users may
have product names and vendor telephone numbers.


Date: 01-19-89 (20:20)               Number: 761
  To: ROGER FIRTH                    Refer#: 722
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: PROBLEM WITH ALT/NNN           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Roger...if you're using WordPerfect 5.0, look through the message base
for the thread of messages that users have entered.


Date: 01-19-89 (21:07)               Number: 762
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: KEYCAP POSTSCRIPT FONTS        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been searching for over a year for a postscript font that
represetns the keyboard keys, commonly known as Key Caps or Keys.  The
only luck I have had so far are those fonts made for the HP, i.e.
bitmapped fonts.  Does such a thing exist for Postscript, and if not, is
there anyone out there that is capable of creating a font of this type?


Date: 01-19-89 (22:02)               Number: 765
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: FRANK WANCHO                     Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VP 2.0 BUG?                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

On a Z248 (EGA) IBM-AT clone with 640K plus 2.5MB extended memory
under MSDOS 3.20 with HIMEM.SYS (2.04), CLEAN17, and GUARDIAN loaded,
leaving 588,768 bytes available according to CHKDSK: Get GEMBRDRS.ARC
into its component .GEM files and load all 24 of them into a fresh
VPPROF.  Create 24 frames, five in a row, in the default portrait
screen, each frame about 1.06" wide by 1.38" high.  Load one .GEM file
per frame then go to the File Menu and observe that it is not correct.
I was able to print anyway, and when it came back, the File Menu was
restored to normal.
.
Alternately, load all the .GEM files, then create and load a .GEM file
into each frame as you go.  Then go back and select a frame and then
select the Frame Menu.  When I did that, after having previously
dropped into the built-in monitor before running VPPROF and then
continuing DOS, I got a debug display as follows:
.
AX = 0005  BX = 5D41  CX = 0108  DX = 3686  SI = 0102  BP = 010A
SP = 0110  CS = 1BC5  DS = 5D41  SS = 0005  ES = 0005  IP = 001B
FL = NC PO NA NZ PL DI UP NV
.
1BC5:001B BF0000  MOV DI,0000
.
I hope that display is of some significance and value.  I believe this
is repeatable.  If this is a limitation rather than a bug, it should
have objected gracefully rather than allow corruption.
.
--Frank


Date: 01-19-89 (22:41)               Number: 767
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: FRANK WANCHO                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: LOGITECH MOUSE                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

It was only after using the C7 Logitech Mouse for a year and VP almost
as long that I carefully read the LT manual again.  So, many of you may
already know this: The LT Mouse, by default, comes up emulating a PC
mouse at 1200 bps.  VP has built-in support for the PC mouse.  Thus, you
don't need to run a MOUSE.SYS or MOUSE.COM.  But, if you do run either
of them, they set the port to 2400 and emulate the MS Mouse (and take up
valuable RAM).  If you have ZSoft's Paintbrush, you have SUMMA.COM, and
that's the solution.  For PB and several other products, just use that
program instead of MOUSE.SYS or MOUSE.COM for any product other than VP
which doesn't have built-in PC Mouse support.  You can even run SUMMA
and still go into VP without using a different VP.BAT setup.  (Part of
this, particularly the fact that SUMMA works, came from the Q&A notes
from Xerox online here.)
.
--Frank


Date: 01-19-89 (23:09)               Number: 769
  To: DONNA HARRINGTON               Refer#: 732
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: VENTURA MEMORY                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Donna:

Would be glad to help. Haven't met a VP 2.0 yet that
I couldn't get to load (I sound like a horse trainer...)




Rick A.


Date: 01-19-89 (23:16)               Number: 770
  To: DICK CAMPBELL                  Refer#: 744
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: PSW FONT WIDTH QUESTION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dick:

Maybe I'm missing part of the saga, but it seems to me that
when your client delivers the chapter to you, he/she can
supply the width table as well. That way, you use the width
table that was used to develop the chapter. That is the
reason that the Multi-Chapter Copy All command copies the
width table along with the rest of the chapter files.

As you have discovered, anytime you use a width table to
complete work on a chapter that was started with a different
width table, it's a crapshoot.

Hope this helps.





Rick Altman


Date: 01-19-89 (23:20)               Number: 771
  To: CHRIS COFFIN                   Refer#: 745
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: UTILITY TO CAPTURE SCREEN      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Chris:

I don't know of any way to capture graphic screens and keep them
in text format -- in fact, the grand challenge is to prevent them
from being simple text screens, but rather a standard graphic
format like GEM or PCX that Ventura can import directly.

There are a bunch of programs that capture screens and store
them in Ventura-compatible form, including some on this BBS.
They are called GCAP and TCAP, produced by Alchemy Mindworks,
a zany but brilliant group of writers from Canada.

Happy capturing.






Rick Altman


Date: 01-19-89 (23:37)               Number: 772
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 762
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: KEYCAP POSTSCRIPT FONTS        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney...I've been looking for the same. Do me a favor an call Paperback
Software (aka Adam Osborne) in Berkley, CA. I spotted a message a while
back on another bulletin board indicating that they do have a PostScript
and Bitmapped version of a Keycap font that they use in their own
publications. I'm told that if you ask for the font they will ship it at
a nominal charge.

Let me know if they do have the font. If not, I'll make one and put it
on the board.

...Gene


Date: 01-20-89 (00:19)               Number: 775
  To: FRANK WANCHO                   Refer#: 765
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0 BUG?                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Wow...Frank, you found a way to display the DOS registers in Ventura.
I'm sure John Grant is going to want to know about that one. It looks
like it is an error checking routine designed to show the status of the
registers and the assembly language command line where the error
occurred.

Real nice work and thanks for the excellent documentation. You get a
security upgrade of 10 for that one.

...Gene


Date: 01-20-89 (00:45)               Number: 777
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: GEM DRIVERS                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Everyone...John Meyer faxed a list of GEM drivers to VPUG today which
could work with Ventura Publisher. Those of you who have been using GEM
versions 3.0 and 3.1 may have noticed a sudden similarity in the program
names and file naming syntax used in the GEM Desktop. It seems that the
compatability gap between Ventura Publisher's drivers and the GEM
drivers is closing.

In a few days, I'll post the list in a file called GEMDRVR1.ARC. John
indicates that all of the drivers for GEM 3.1 should work in theory, but
no one has had time to test them. As users begin to return input to the
Forum, the file will be updated. I'll add asterisks or some similar
coding to the end of each driver listing which is known to work. If I
get time, I'll post the list of drivers as a bulletin in the GEM
Conference.

John indicates that some of the older drivers may work as well. All you
users out there with dot matrix printers should take note of this.
Digital Research has most printers covered in their collection of
drivers.

...Gene


Date: 01-20-89 (03:00)               Number: 778
  To: STEPHEN HUENERS                Refer#: 77
From: GEORGE WEINERT                   Read: NO
Subj: QUESTION ON NEWSDESI.ARC       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Have unarched and very same file, with no problems opening the chapter
files. Possibly you recieved a transmission error, which is cauing VP to
find the glitch in the header info, and not recognize this as a valid
chapter file. Regarding removing the text files, simply select the frame
in question, then use the Edit Text/Picture Selection from the Edit Men
and Remove the file ihe question from the frame, or list of files if you
don't need it at all.
George M. Weinert V


Date: 01-20-89 (03:09)               Number: 779
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 115
From: GEORGE WEINERT                   Read: YES
Subj: DOING FINE...                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

No Gene, I am not DEAD, nor have I forgotten about things.
Unfortunately, I have been ill, and have been hospitalized for a week or
so
and have been out of commission. I have so far had two qyeries for info
on VPUG from my notices on PIS and also was contacted by Jeff Rollins
regarding the downtown Chapter hs is forming,though he did not get back
to
me asyet -  plan on getting in touch with him this week.
Still would like to see a viable downtown Chapter, and feel lthat
PIS should be an important part of it as well. Also, just got off
CIS and gave your system, as well as the NPE and of course PIS a nice
plug in the IBM APPLICATIONS FOFUM as well as uploaind some of our
VP files (no, not yours, from PIS).  Sorry for the delay, but was
quite ill, and shall attempt to get in touch with you during the
early portion of next week, for the situation with Users Groups for
the VP User here in Chicago is Ludicrous! Incidentally, if you have not
heard, Jerome Nelson (formerly midwest DTP Director for Xerox in Des
Plaines - he's the guy that screwed up the VPUG meeting in Des Plaines
where John Meyer was supposed to speak) also has formed a Ventura Group
- he uses the name Ven Group, Inc - a caller sent me his info, and of
course hs is also offering VP Training seminars ($310.00 per day too!)
Not sure if he is still associated with Xerox, you would have to ask
Kettlecamp, but seems that would really be a conflict of interest.
Anyway, PIS is going strong - unfortunately, have had a bug in the
new version, and our conferences have been a mess, since they
are not functional,\ - however, the VP related matters are all
taking place in the Open Section anyway, and plan on solving the
problem this week.  Shall be in touch shortly, and tell Bob I said hi.


Date: 01-20-89 (04:29)               Number: 780
  To: ROB PANNONI                    Refer#: 739
From: GEORGE WEINERT                   Read: YES
Subj: WHICH LASER TO BUY..           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

LaserMaster is currently shipping a new product, LM-Page with their new
LC 2 Controller Card - with the Enhanced Pluse version, a full 35 PS
compatible font library is provided (using the Bitstream Fontware
Outlines) as well as Special Effects for Rotating, Obliqueing, Rotating
and Filling and Shadowing Fonts. LM Page is a utility that will convert
LM .QDL (quick download format) and LaserMaster Graphics Code to a PS
file for complete compatibility with Linotronic ImageSetters.
Going to be adding the LC 2 in the next week or so, so operational
details shall be provided as they become available. LM also has the
DPS1 in the works (release target date is Mar 1, 1989) which shall
provide the VP user with FULL WYSING for Font Effects and Graphics fills
- the initial release shall be configued for EGA and Multi-Sync
Monitors, with a full Page Version of the video card due in June, for
users of the Wyse 700 or Amdek 1200 monitors.


Date: 01-20-89 (04:45)               Number: 781
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GEORGE WEINERT                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: VP2.0 AND FRAMES               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Fascinating bug developed this week - altered &news-p2.sty so that the
first column was 22 pics, with  a 1 pica gutter, with an 18,06 column
for the second, nothing else. Placed a frame, with the usual caption
info and loaded a pic. So far, so good - however, once the fram was
given an ancho name, and an anchor was inserted into the text which
followed it (directly below), VP 2.0 decided to shift the frame over
from the left margein (this was on a right handed page) by 6 picas!
After grabbing the frame, and dragging it back to its' proper position,
VP 2.0 STILL REFUSED to align it properly, even though Snap to Columnb
Guides was in effect. Replicated the same situation with &book-ps.chp,
just to make sure it was not a bug, with prefect results. Checked all in
from left, in from right, margins, etc in the tag's paragraph settings
to no avail! Gene - if you would care to lookat the style sheet in
question and the particular tag, be nice to get an answer.
Additionaly, after creating a repeating frame, at the top of page 1, and
selecting Show on Left and Right Pages - discovered that the repeating
frame on page 2 had ALSO been shifted, but this time by only 3 picas.
Obviously, the solution for that was to simply set left and right
repeating frame pages seperately, but has anyone else had this
experience?  There is nothing unusual about  the style sheet, and the
width table in effect is a highly modified version of hpljplus, with the
addition of a large number of Bitstream Fontware Fonts.
What is so puzzling is that the effect does not replicate itself in
other chapters or style sheets, but if all of the tag's settings reveal
n╝o valid reason, where is one to look for a valid reason?


Date: 01-20-89 (19:29)               Number: 784
  To: KEN RUBMAN                     Refer#: 742
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: VP 20 QUESTIONS                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

1) The text can be put in any directory. Follow these directions: a)
Selectthe Frame mode. b) Select the page (or if you put the text into
frames thatyou draw, select one of these frames). c) Select the File
Type/Rename optionin the Edit menu. d) Change the name of the directory
path. You can alsochange the name of the file and the type of
wordprocessor format. e) SelectOK. f) Save the chapter. The next time
you create a new text file, it willbe placed into this directory with
the same wordprocessor format (unless youload another chapter in the
meantime which points to a different directory).Thus the chapter file
always puts the text into the last directory fromwhich text was loaded.
2) The chapter will not automatically be named basedon the wordprocessor
convention if you select SAVE AS in the file menuinstead of SAVE. True,
the title bar will initially show the name of achapter based on the text
file name, but you can override it with SAVE AS.Incidentally, having the
program work this way has saved novices hundreds ofhours searching for
chapters which they inadvertently name with a namedifferent from the
text file. Most new users take awhile to catch on to theidea of a
separate file for chapters than the file for text. 3)Discretionary
hyphen 2 is part of a series of discretionary hyphens withinVentura
Publisher. These hyphens are for non-English languages. If you placethe
text cursor so that the HYPHEN appears in the current selection box,
andthen press the discretionary hyphen key (CTRL -), you can cycle
through allthe hyphen types. I don't actually know what all of them do,
and didn'tdocument it since the English version doesn't have to deal
with it. Finally,your other problems sound like a possible interaction
with the screen driverand Ventura Publisher. Usually when the screen is
corrupted in discretelocations (as opposed to totally blowing up or just
plain crashing) thisindicates a bug in the screen driver. If you can
come up with a test casethat repeats, let me know. Also, if the Hyphen-2
is appearing after anoperation other than the one I describe, let me
know how to re-create it.It's also possible that you have inserted some
strange character sequence inyour wordprocessor by forgetting to
terminate a <$ > code.


Date: 01-20-89 (20:54)               Number: 785
  To: DICK CAMPBELL                  Refer#: 744
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: PSW FONT WIDTH QUESTION        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The fonts you are using are intentionally different. The HLVB3008.SFP
file (and all other font files with similar names) are LaserJet fonts
designed to be used with the HP LaserJet. (Hewlett-Packard distributes
fonts from a different source through different licensing arrangements
than those available from Adobe Systems who control PostScript.) The
Bitstream Font generator can create fonts for either LaserJet or
PostScript. The outlines will not match those from Adobe because they
are licensed from different vendors. That is why Bitstream uses the
tradename Swiss (r) instead of Helvetica (r) and Dutch (r) instead of
Times Roman (r). Each pair (e.g., Swiss and Helvetica) is VERY similar,
but not exactly the same. When Fontware builds a font for a Laserjet, it
creates widths which follow the HP conventions. When it builds a font
for PostScript, it uses the same font outline used for the LaserJet, but
follows the width conventions used for the LaserJet. Thus, what we
distribute, and what Fontware produces are exactly in sync. If you build
fonts for a LaserJet, using he LaserJet widths you should get the same
widths as the fonts we distribute. If you somehow change fool Fontware
into creating width which match PostScript, then the widths won't match.



Date: 01-20-89 (20:55)               Number: 786
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 777
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: GEM DRIVERS                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Let me clarify a little bit, Gene, about the GEM drivers. The Digital
Research drivers MAY work. You said SHOULD work, and I think that is a
too confident. There is going to be an issue of fonts with all of the
drivers. Digital Research drivers are hardwired to look for fonts in the
GEMSYS directory. Also, their fonts are stored in compressed form. In
theory this is no problem if you run Ventura Publisher from the GEM
Desktop, but then you can't use all the settings in the VP.BAT file to
customize your memory. Also, HIMEM.SYS will not be used since that is
not supported by the GEM Desktop. Without going into lots of detail,
these drivers MAY be usable, and if they can be had from Digital
Research for a reasonable price, then some of you may want to try them
out. My STRONG RECOMMENDATION to VPUG, and the one I made to Bob Moody,
is to contact Digital Research BEFORE you post this information or start
broadcasting it. Find out how a user can get these drivers. Find out if
ANY of them have been tested with Ventura Publisher.


Date: 01-20-89 (21:20)               Number: 787
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 772
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: KEYCAP POSTSCRIPT FONTS        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the tip.


Date: 01-20-89 (22:18)               Number: 788
  To: FRANK WANCHO                   Refer#: 765
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: VP 2.0 BUG?                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Frank,  in repeating your process in #765 I found that after loading all
of the images into frames that the names in the assignment list
corresponded correctly to the names in the frames, however, when I
pulled down the File Menu, "HIDE TABS AND RETURNS ^" suddenly appeared
in grey, instead of being in the Options Menu where it belongs!  Then my
system stopped.
.
I have a system 1800 Everex AT with 1024 memory total running
Professional Extension and a Hercules Monitor.


Date: 01-20-89 (22:20)               Number: 789
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: #765                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, I thought I would try to duplicate as best I could the reported
bug in message 765.  You may want to read my message #788 for my
findings.


Date: 01-21-89 (02:10)               Number: 790
  To: SYSOP                          Refer#: NONE
From: PHILIP BURTON                    Read: YES
Subj: TDOC794C PROBLEMS              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene,
(assuming you are the author of the TDOC* series)
On my printer, each of these style sheets prints for 5 - 10 pages, then
stops output.  VP continues to "print" pages, but the printer stops.
The activity light on the printer continues to work, so the printer is
receiving data.
This problem occurs with VP 1.1.  Is it a VP problem, a printer problem,
or a style sheet problem.
If I restart the print output, then things work normally for another 5 -
10 pages.  What gives??


Date: 01-21-89 (07:07)               Number: 791
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: NONE
From: HEIDI WALDMANN                   Read: YES
Subj: VPUG                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Gene, how can we in Minnesota find out about VPUG? I'm a member of the
local group, which is growing by leaps and bounds as they say, but I
would love to join the national group and get the magazine.

Also, is this board now or will it soon be tied into the FIDO echo? I've
seen a few of your messages in Laserpub, and my sysop, Don Seiford of
Nick's Nest (612/490-1187) (sorry, I don't have the node info) is
willing and interested in carrying the echo.

Meanwhile, I can't thank you enough for this board!


Date: 01-21-89 (07:11)               Number: 792
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: HEIDI WALDMANN                   Read: YES
Subj: EPS FILES                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John, would you know why EPS files brought in from Corel Draw (beta
v.0.97) are not positioned accurately on screen? It is a mess trying to
get them to line up with associated text, rules, etc. I'm using a
Hercules board. Mind you, I'm not complaining about aspect ratio, I
understand that's a little off and have learned to compensate, but
trying to align the bottom of an EPS graphic with a baseline has been
purely trial and error. What should I try?


Date: 01-21-89 (08:17)               Number: 793
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DEIRDRE' STRAUGHAN               Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: JOB OPPORTUNITY                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Job Opportunity
Small international management consulting firm in Chantilly, VA
(Washington DC metro area) seeks a desktop publishing specialist.
Strong Ventura, typing, editing, and PC skills. Systems
configuration/installation skills a plus.
Opportunities to become DTP trainer/consultant, with minimum one
international assignment annually. Must be self-starter, learner,
persistent, mature, with excellent people skills.
Daily work expected to include publishing company and client
materials, ranging from brochures and newsletters to large,
complex training manuals. Occasional systems design, integration,
sales possible. International assignments would be installation
of and training on DTP systems in Third World countries (see
article by Deirdre' Straughan in Dec. issue Ventura
Professional).
This young company offers plenty of opportunities for growth and
self-direction. And it's fun!
Start $20,000 + health insurance, vacation. Possible
opportunities for additional income.
Call Deirdre' at Team Technologies, Inc. [phone].
Interviews begin Feb. 6th. Position to be filled ASAP.


Date: 01-21-89 (12:23)               Number: 794
  To: PHILIP BURTON                  Refer#: 790
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: NO
Subj: TDOC794C PROBLEMS              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

What printer are you using? Are you using any print spooling utility? If
you are using a serial cable, are you certain that the XON/XOFF or DTR
signals are being returned to the computer from the printer? If it is
not receving these signals, it doesn't know to stop transmission of data
when the printer is busy.


Date: 01-21-89 (13:40)               Number: 796
  To: GEORGE WEINERT                 Refer#: 781
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VP2.0 AND FRAMES               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'll take a look at that George. There might be a tiny frame in that
location that is causing the problem. But, if it is moving 6 picas I
don't think so. John Grant will be back from vacation in a couple of
days. He may have some ideas also.



Date: 01-21-89 (13:59)               Number: 799
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 786
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: GEM DRIVERS                    Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

We'll be doing just that John. The list we received did not have DRI
part numbers and we have asked for these already. We've also spoke to
Hank Walker from the GEM Users Group here in San Jose. He's polling
users to determine if they've had any success running the drivers with
Ventura within the GEM environment.

Bob Moody indicated that all the 3.1 drivers would work. Thanks for the
clarification.


Date: 01-21-89 (14:04)               Number: 800
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 789
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: #765                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Rodney...I'll try to duplicate the problem as soon as I can. We're a bit
under the gun this month with two publications going out the door.

Let me no if you have any luck on that PostScript font. I have a
bitmapped font I made two years ago using some converted TEX fonts. I
can pass these through Publisher's TypeFoundry to make something useful.


Date: 01-21-89 (14:07)               Number: 801
  To: PHILIP BURTON                  Refer#: 790
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: TDOC794C PROBLEMS              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I don't know Phil. I decompressed the file and sucessfully printed it on
my HP LaserJet Series II equipped with a LaserMaster LX6 card and a
second HP Series II with a ConoDesk 6000 card. Sounds like a printer
problem to me. Are you getting any error messages?


Date: 01-21-89 (14:25)               Number: 802
  To: HEIDI WALDMANN                 Refer#: 791
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: VPUG                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Heidi...Bob Moody the president of the National Group has some type of
special pricing system for VPUG chapters and affiliate groups. It allows
the group to purchase the magazine at a discount and resell it to their
users. You can talk to the the officers at your local group about this
to see if they're interested. You can also call Sonya Jackson at
408-227-5068 to get information about joing the national group yourself.
..
As for the IFNA echos, I've developed a plan to open the echos to users.
The LASERPUB echo and several other echos are currently coming into the
Forum. A QuickBBS bulletin board system will temporarily serve as a
sub-board, allowing users to read the echos and respond to messages.
Hopefully, within the next month, I will have all the software in place
to feed echo mail in and out of the PCboard message system. When this
happens there will be a VENTURA echo starting.

I've added the Fido address of your local sysop's board to my listing
and a notification will be sent to his board when the echo officially
starts. Note that we plan to start more than one echo. A GEM echo run by
the GEM User's Group and a PostScript Echo are also planned. If
volunteers from other User's Groups come forward additional echos may be
started.

...Gene


Date: 01-21-89 (15:53)               Number: 803
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 800
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: #765                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm in no hurry, just thought I would pass along,
.
Will let you know my luch with postscript keycaps.


Date: 01-21-89 (21:20)               Number: 805
  To: HEIDI WALDMANN                 Refer#: 792
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: EPS FILES                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If you can see the EPS files on the screen, it is because the program
places either a screen-resolution TIFF bit-image or a Windows metafile
representation into the PostScript file in addition to the PostScript
code itself. This is necessary because otherwise the only way to display
the image is to have a Display-PostScript board in your machine which no
one except Steve Jobs (in his Next Computer) has built. The problem you
may be having is that the bit image may not match exactly the EPS file.
If you can upload the file to this board, I'll take a look at it and see
what's going on.


Date: 01-22-89 (21:29)               Number: 811
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: SUSAN SINGER                     Read: (N/A)
Subj: VENTURA PROFESSIONAL MAG.      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I am a recent subscriber to your magazine, and I think your publication
has helped me more than any other reference material I've read.  Your
magazine seems to touch problems I encounter on various projects I'm
working on.  I just wanted to let you know you have a happy camper in
Portland, Oregon.  <<<<<Susan Singer>>>>>


Date: 01-23-89 (13:22)               Number: 813
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: FRAME FILL PATERNS             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is there a way in which I can create frames (from the Frame Mode) that
will be transparent?  The only way I can think of a way to do this is
with postscript code in the ps2.pre file. I would like to create a frame
with a fill pattern of #3 that is transparent enough to show some line
art that is underneath.  This frame is a shadow box that is underneath
and offset from a frame of text


Date: 01-23-89 (14:38)               Number: 814
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: 805
From: DAVID GELLER                     Read: YES
Subj: EPS FILES                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is Ventura planning to support process color and color TIFF?
Thanks in advance,


Date: 01-23-89 (15:40)               Number: 815
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: 813
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: YES
Subj: FRAME FILL PATERNS             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The way Ventura sends frames to the printer is in the order they are
laid on the page. By definition, in Posts
(got a phone line bleep there) ...in PostScript there are no transparent
colors (grays). In order to achieve the effect you desire, the line art
would have to be the last applied (on top), with the FLOW TEXT AROUND
attribute in the Sizing and Scaling set to OFF. Make sure the screen
tint frame is underneath all frames that are supposed to show their
contents.


Date: 01-23-89 (17:59)               Number: 821
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: MAGAZINE SCHEDULE              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Here's the schedule of issue themes for those of you who want to submit
articles to the magazine.

      MARCH   --   Forms. Tips and Tricks and Features for creating
                   business forms and related publications.

      APRIL   --   Technical Documentation.

      MAY     --   Typesetting. Articles on using Ventura Publisher as
                   a front end for a typesetter, features about sending
                   and preparing publications for a typesetters. Also
                   a listing of Typesetting Services registered with
                   the users group. If you have a typesetting service
                   and want to be on the list, call Carroll Baker at
                   408-227-5068.

      JUNE    --   Professional Extension. This was to be the March
                   issue's theme and Ventura Software said to wait.
                   Hmmmm...I wonder why?

      JULY    --   Networking. How to run Ventura Publisher in a
                   networking environment on supported LANs and
                   on some unsupported LANs.

      AUGUST  --   Database Publishing. Tips & Tricks and articles
                   about moving database information into Ventura
                   Publisher plus a few surprises.

      SEPTEMBER -  Potpourri and Seybold Conference. A collection of
                   articles which fit no specific theme and the latest
                   news from the Seybold Desktop Publishing Conference.

      OCTOBER   -  Newsletter Publishing.

      NOVEMBER  -  COMDEX Special Edition.

      DECEMBER  -  Year in Review.

      JANUARY   -  Annual Compatability Guide and 1989 Index.

All users can submit articles to Ventura Professional! magazine. If
you're interested, contact Gene Rodrigues or Carroll Baker at
408-227-5068 or leave a message for either editor on the Forum.

More reviews will be appearing in the magazine in future issues. If you
have writing experience and a reference or two, call us. If you would
like to see articles focused on a specific topic, let us know.

Monetary compensation for writing articles -- gosh you got to be
kidding. You'll have to settle for the recognition you receive and few
perks here and there including access to a private line to the Forum.

Best regards...Carroll & Gene


Date: 01-23-89 (20:02)               Number: 822
  To: DAVID GELLER                   Refer#: 814
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: NO
Subj: EPS FILES                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

No plans for process color announced at this time. We need several
things first: (1) a color printer that people can afford that can be
used to quickly proof color work. (2) an installed base of typesetting
equipment that can hold registration well enough to make process color
work (Linotronic 100 is not adequate and Linotronic 300 is barely
adequate).


Date: 01-23-89 (21:15)               Number: 823
  To: BYRON CANFIELD                 Refer#: 815
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: YES
Subj: FRAME FILL PATERNS             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

OF COURSE! Thanks alot


Date: 01-24-89 (03:34)               Number: 826
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: COMPUSERVE FILES               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John...I've placed the Compuserve files we spoke of on the phone
on-line. The listings are in the Main Board's Communication program file
directory. You need to download TAPCIS.ARC (the TAPCIS programs),
and TAPDOC.ARC (the documentation). I also uploaded two additional files
TAPINF.ARC (apparently a summary of the TAPCIS system) and TAPNUM.ARC
(the node numbers for Compuserve). You need the initial two files and
most likely to TAPNUM file.

Any word on when the CompuServe Conference is going to start. I've got a
lot of users calling in long distance who could save quite a bit of
money when the conference goes into operation.

If you need anything else, let me know.

...Gene


Date: 01-24-89 (03:43)               Number: 827
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: WP4.2 -> WP5.0 CONVERTER       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John Finlayson uploaded a utility for WordPerfect 5.0 users. It converts
the WP 4.2 ASCII character set over to the WP 5.0 character set. All you
users who are having problems with the new character mapping used in WP
5.0 might want to download the file.

The Ventura Publisher programmers should be back in town this week.
Hopefully, they may be able to provide updated information about the
problem.

Thanks John for the time and effort you spent making the utility for
users. The work is very much appreciated. Anyone who finds the utility
useful should drop a thank you note to John in consideration for his
efforts.

...Gene


Date: 01-24-89 (03:55)               Number: 828
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: RELAY MAIL READER              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The Relay Mail Reader either has some installation problems or the
current version of the files are incompatible with the LAN the Forum is
running on.

We'll be spending some time this weekend trying to work the bugs out of
the system. Note that the Reader software is not shareware and requires
registration. We'll also be looking at alternate methods of downloading
mail from the Forum automatically.

In a few days, the IFNA (International FidoNet Association) message
system will be opened to users. We have a desktop publishing conference
called LASERPUB and several additional conferences users will find
worthwhile coming into the Forum. Note that the Door opens to a QuickBBS
bulletin board system connected to the Forum. Initially, only one user
will be able to enter the door at one time. I'm working on a special
modification to the board which will allow multiple users to enter the
door at the same time. We'll probably need a few weeks to complete those
modifications. Software has also been installed to directly place the
LASERPUB echo messages into a normal PCboard conference area. However,
until the last peice of PCboard software is finished, we will not be
able to enter replies to those messages within PCboard. So you can
quickly read messages from within PCboard, but if you want to answer
them, you'll need to do so by selecting the IFNA Conference option from
the Door menu. All of this will happen in the next few days.

Those of you who need the PCKERMIT protocol (7-E-1 callers) to download
binary files (programs and such) will have to wait another week until
the latest release of ProDoor arrives. We will be installing all of the
protocols supported on the old WildCat system plus a few new ones we
just learned about (JModem for one).

...Gene


Date: 01-24-89 (03:58)               Number: 829
  To: BYRON CANFIELD                 Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: MESSAGE BASE                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Byron...I've got the program to convert the message base files to ASCII
form. For some strange reason, they're not working correctly. I've
contacted the program author and he knows what the problem is. I should
have a software update on-line here in the next 48 hours.

...Gene


Date: 01-24-89 (08:10)               Number: 831
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: TODD LOONEY                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: HPGL                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is there a way to output an encapsulated postscript file to HPGL?  We
have a ZetaVue slide maker which accepts Laser Graphics Language (LL) or
HPGL and we want to take our Ventura 2.0 documents and make slides.

Any help in this area will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


Date: 01-24-89 (11:47)               Number: 832
  To: SVEN PRETORIOUS                Refer#: NONE
From: PETER KASTL                      Read: YES
Subj: AST TURBOLASER/PS              Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been using an AST Turbolaser/PS for over a year now. SInce it
uses
a RIcoh engine, it REALLY dumps the toner on the paper, giving it an
embossed feel. After 3 calls to AST tech support, I was able to find the
adjustment screw to decrease/increase toner. If you get one of these,
call me at 504-588-5804 and I'll walk you through it.
Other than that, I've enjoyed using this 80 lb. behemouth. The text is
sharp, and it comes with serial/parallel/Appletalk ports.


Date: 01-24-89 (11:53)               Number: 833
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: PETER KASTL                      Read: (N/A)
Subj: LASERTORQ, TRADING POST        Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have been using LaserTORQ for months now, and have recently added
Trading Post (both from Lasertools Corp.). I have an AT clone and an AST
Turbolaser/PS connected through a parallel port.
   LaserTORQ is an AMAZING print spooler, especially when used on a
parallel port. I dedicate 256K EMS memory to it and experience huge
speedups of VP printouts.
   Trading Post is a sister program for those with PS printers. It will
translate ASCII printouts from other programs into PS lingo. So I can do
actual text screen dumps as well as print out from all those non-PS
programs (like my check program). Trading post also spools directly to
LaserTORQ.
  Both programs are relatively cheap, and I recommend them highly.
  ---PK


Date: 01-24-89 (12:01)               Number: 834
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 829
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: NO
Subj: MESSAGE BASE                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

OK, guess I'll just have to wait (sound of fingers drumming on
table-top--:))


Date: 01-24-89 (12:07)               Number: 835
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: LASERTORQ & LASERTOOLS         Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Ditto to Peter Kastl comments about the two LaserTools products. I am
currently outputting to a ficticious LPT3 via Trading Post and
LaserTorq, and running the printer at 37.6 Kilobaud! I have heard of
others (no make that 37.4 KBaud) running at 57.6 KBaud! Another utility,
hopefully to be released soon by LaserTools, is a batch font downloader.
Incorporate it into batch files to download selective fonts. I currently
download 12 fonts in under one minute with no silly fidgeting with a
user interface. If you're tired of waiting for your printer to release
control of your PC, check 'em out.

    /╫\
    ╟╫╢
    ╟╫/╥╥╥\
    ║/║║╨║║\  ╖
    /║║║╥║║║\ ╟─╖╓─╖╥─╖╥─╖
    │║║║║╨╨║  ║ ║╓─╢║  ║ ║
    └╨╨╨╨──╜  ╙─╜╙─╨╨  ╨ ╙
B Y R O N   C A N F I E L D


Date: 01-24-89 (23:46)               Number: 838
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: SLOW 2.0                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John M/John G:

I have a client with the following problem:

- 8Mhz 286 with no memory beyond 640
- Running VP 2.0 Standard
- 550k of available memory
- Many screen fonts

VP will load with an /A of about 16 and will
load a chapter without incident. However, when
a second chapter is loaded, all text files load
very slowly, about 10 times slower than if the
chapter was opened immediately after loading the
program. Performing a NEW first does not help.

Also, print operations are similarly slowed down.

Is this a simple matter of needing more value
in the /A switch? Why is it only subsequent
chapters that load slowly, not the first one
during a session.

My client is aware of the ultimate solutions --
more memory and a disk cache -- but until the
time that she can purchase them, this remains
a problem for her.

Any ideas?




Rick Altman


Date: 01-24-89 (23:47)               Number: 839
  To: JOHN GRANT                     Refer#: NONE
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: SLOW 2.0                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John M/John G:

I have a client with the following problem:

- 8Mhz 286 with no memory beyond 640
- Running VP 2.0 Standard
- 550k of available memory
- Many screen fonts

VP will load with an /A of about 16 and will
load a chapter without incident. However, when
a second chapter is loaded, all text files load
very slowly, about 10 times slower than if the
chapter was opened immediately after loading the
program. Performing a NEW first does not help.

Also, print operations are similarly slowed down.

Is this a simple matter of needing more value
in the /A switch? Why is it only subsequent
chapters that load slowly, not the first one
during a session.

My client is aware of the ultimate solutions --
more memory and a disk cache -- but until the
time that she can purchase them, this remains
a problem for her.

Any ideas?




Rick Altman


Date: 01-25-89 (14:37)               Number: 843
  To: RICK ALTMAN                    Refer#: 838
From: JOHN MEYER                       Read: YES
Subj: SLOW 2.0                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The change in performance may be due to the /A setting. As you may know
from  some of the application notes I've written, the /A switch is not
recommended for systems installed for LaserJet printers. In fact, the
only printer  installation for which it makes sense to use the /A switch
is PostScript.  John Grant may have more to add, but my guess is that
the /A switch is  the culprit. My recommendation is that she temporarily
simplify the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC files to get at least another 16K
of available memory. Then  remove the /A switch from the VP.BAT file and
see if the problem doesn't go away. If it does, then the "ultimate"
solutions to which you refer (EMS memory, extended memory with HIMEM.SYS
or both) will also work.


Date: 01-25-89 (15:09)               Number: 844
  To: RICK ALTMAN                    Refer#: NONE
From: PAUL PEASE                       Read: YES
Subj: GOSCRIPT                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I've installed Goscript on my system and now have a Post*
PostScript printing capability on my non-PS laserjet plus.
For more details, drop me a note on my board (322-6451) or give me a
call at 322-2072.  Works like a charm!
Also, please call me, Rick, if you might want to serve as a beta site
for an interesting new laser printer product.
Cheers!
Paul


Date: 01-25-89 (17:42)               Number: 845
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 760
From: CHRIS COFFIN                     Read: YES
Subj: UTILITY TO CAPTURE SCREEN      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the help Gene.   I'll give the companies a call and see
what I can come up with.  The Courier screens are much clearer and true
to what is actually going on so I would like to preserve them, evne if I
have to paste them up (bummer).

Again, thanks.... Chris
(VP is great, but it is so powerful that you can get lost!  Soon it
shall be within my control.....)


Date: 01-25-89 (20:17)               Number: 846
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MORAD RAHMANI                    Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: LINE SPACING                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I was trying to follow a guideline for creating form using VP 2.0. The
guideline says that, among other things, the horizontal lines should be
1/3 of an inch apart. I also want to use boxed text like:
    +-----------
    | Line 1
    |
    | Line 2
    +-----------
    | Line 3
    |
    | Line 4
    +-----------
I can make line 1 and 2, and also 3 and 4, to be 1/3 of an inch apart by
setting interline spacing to .333 inch but how do I control the dist.
between line 2 and 3? I am using Helvetica 10 points and have the above,
below and inter paragraph set to 0, and interline set to 1/3 of an inch.
Please note that line 1 and 2 are part of first box and line 3 and 4 are
part of second box.


Date: 01-25-89 (20:26)               Number: 847
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN POWELL                      Read: YES
Subj: COLOR OUTPUT SUPPORT           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks for the information on the Xerox 4020... I still have not been
able to locate anyone in the bay area that can DEMO it to me with
anything... let alone with VP...    Thanks again..   jr


Date: 01-25-89 (23:46)               Number: 851
  To: TODD LOONEY                    Refer#: 831
From: DANIEL WILL-HARRIS               Read: NO
Subj: HPGL                           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I believe the latest version of HiJaak (which is still in beta) will do
this. I'd give Inset Systems a call, since they may have an answer for
you. Their number is 800-828-8088.

-=Daniel=-


Date: 01-25-89 (23:57)               Number: 852
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 760
From: DANIEL WILL-HARRIS               Read: YES
Subj: UTILITY TO CAPTURE SCREEN      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I've just tried a whole passel of these programs. Collage from
Intermedia is the easiest. It figures out what kind of graphics you are
using and saves files directly into PCX format so you don't have to
convert them the way you do with Hot Shot Grab. Hot Shot Grab's big
advantage is that it lets you edit both text and graphics screens before
you convert them, and it converts directly to IMG format. Graph Plus
from Jewell is very good, simple and doesn't take much memory. It is,
however, extremely slow, and the screen dumps are not as high quality
(or as large) as the others. Pizazz Plus is the most versatile,
epsecially when you need color screen dumps outputted on something like
a Paint Jet.

That's just a short round-up.

-=Daniel=-


Date: 01-26-89 (00:13)               Number: 853
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 846
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: LINE SPACING                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I have two thoughts:

First, why are space above and below set to zero? That is how you can
control directly the vertical positioning of Lines 2 and 3. You can move
it closer or further away from the box borders and from the neighboring
lines of text.

Also, if the distance between lines of text is crucial, consider
not using Box Text at all. Just keep them together in one frame.
You can set the rules with Ruling Line Above/Below and then use
graphic lines for the outside boundary. I don't know what the
rest of the project looks like, but that will certainly work for
the small scenario you have presented here.




Good luck!
Rick Altman


Date: 01-26-89 (05:14)               Number: 855
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: MODEM STRINGS                  Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

**************************** H E L P ***********************************

We're just about finished with the formatted versions of PACKET1 and
PACKET2. Both should be on-line by the end of the week. All of you could
help new users by entering a short three line message to the Sysop with
a listing of 1) your modem manufacturer and model name, 2) the modem's
baud rate, and 3) the initialization string you use to communicate with
the system.

We're planning on putting this information in a Appendix for new users.
Both of the new guides are formatted with Ventura Publisher. A second
set of copies in ASCII form will also be placed on-line. Additional
Packet files will be added to the system to provide operating
decriptions for the door programs.

...Thanks in Advance


Date: 01-26-89 (05:32)               Number: 856
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEW MODERATORS                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Four new conferences will be added to the Forum over the next week. The
new GEM conference will be moderated by Hank Walker, editor of GEM
Facets magazine based here in San Jose.

Lynn Walterick, a consultant and technical writer in the Silicon Valley
area, will moderate the new Newsletter Publishing and Technical
Documentation Conferences. Lynn also serves as an associate editor for
Ventura Professional! Magazine.

The dBase Publishing Conference area will be opened at the same time. As
of yet no one has stepped forward to voluteer as conference moderator.

A JLASER conference area was opened earlier this week with no formal
announcement. Tall Trees Systems has committed to support the conference
and help find a moderator. JLASER users will note that the latest driver
upgrade, a normal $30.00 value has been placed on line for downloading.

The name of the Ventura Conference will be changing soon. It will be
called the Ventura Publisher Support Conference. Users with actual
problems, bug reports or those seeking advice should leave messages in
this area. By the end of the week, conference areas should be setup for
all vertical application areas (Forms, Spreadsheet, books, magazines,
etc.). Those users with specific questions about a vertical application
should post their messages in the new conference areas.

Along with the conferences areas, the Forum screens and directory
listings will begin to take on a familiar look. Many of the Wildcat
screens from the old bulletin board system are being transplanted in
PCboard to simplify the appearance of menus. We've also removed some
commands from the menus, although users will still be able to enter the
commands from the command line.

If any of you are having problems with the system or wish to see more
features added, please let us know.

...Gene


Date: 01-26-89 (05:57)               Number: 859
  To: CHRIS COFFIN                   Refer#: 845
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: UTILITY TO CAPTURE SCREEN      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Chris...you might want to pass the screen question to Lynn Walterick
after the Technical Documentation conference goes up next week. She may
have a bit more experience using ASCII files for screens than I.

You're right...Ventura Publisher is hard to master, but you can see the
potential solutions to many problems it offers.


Date: 01-26-89 (06:06)               Number: 860
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 846
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: YES
Subj: LINE SPACING                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Morad...temporarily switch to fractional points to see if the other
three fields are completely cleared. When building tables, especially
complex ones, I always set all spacing using fractional points. Also,
check the spacing above and below the ruling box around. In fact, avoid
using spacing above and below the ruling box -- adjust the interline
spacing to increase the space between the interior of the box's rule and
the type inside. If you stick to using line feeds and paragraphs to
separate elements of the table (as you are) and control interline
spacing only you will have no problems. If you're still stuck, give me a
call at 408-227-5068.
..
...Gene


Date: 01-26-89 (06:10)               Number: 861
  To: JOHN POWELL                    Refer#: 847
From: GENE RODRIGUES                   Read: NO
Subj: COLOR OUTPUT SUPPORT           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John...call Bob Zemantek at Xerox in Sunnyvale. You'll need to call the
Xerox Information Office. Last told, Bob was the Customer Support person
for the printer. If you can't get in touch with Bob, call VPUG and ask
them to tell Sandi Baker to give you a call. She's got one.


Date: 01-26-89 (22:42)               Number: 869
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BILL LAMP'L                      Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: FILL ATTRIBUTE                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Is there any way to get a lighter shade of frame background/fill than
even the Pattern 1/black setting gives? (I'm using 2.0 with a postscript
printer). Thank you.


Date: 01-27-89 (17:18)               Number: 874
  To: BILL LAMP'L                    Refer#: 869
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: YES
Subj: FILL ATTRIBUTE                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bill:

You have touched upon one of my pet peeves with Ventura/PostScript.
But happily, I can report that with 2.0, there is a solution.

The complete discussion is in my book that is due out in early
March (plug, plug), and here is an overview:

Version 2.0 has a new dialog box called Define Colors, where
you can invent your own colors and assign names to them. You
can invent a color, call it Light Gray, and turn down all
four hues to zero, and then bring up the black ever so slightly --
like, say, 1 or 2 percent.

This shade is so light that it won't appear on most displays,
but your PS printer will respond with a fine, light background,
perfect for backdropoing 9 or 10-point type.

Hope this helps.





Rick Altman

(P.S. - Sybex is publishing the book and it's called
        Ventura Power Tools, and it comes with a
        diskette full of really good programs.)


Date: 01-27-89 (20:27)               Number: 875
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: ED ABORN                         Read: (N/A)
Subj: IT'S BACK! THE NPE NEWS!       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The new and redesigned NPE Monthy Desktop Publishing Telecommunications
News Journal is here! For all of you VP v2.0 users, just download and
print it out! The file is called:
                                 NPENW-13.ARC
and is here for your downloading pleasure. So have fun with it and let
me know what you think. Designed for any printer! Postscript NOT
required!
              Ed


Date: 01-27-89 (23:23)               Number: 880
  To: BILL LAMP'L                    Refer#: 695
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: YES
Subj: SCREEN FONTS, PRINT DRIVR      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bill,

I agree that the VGA fonts are pretty ugly. I believe these
v2.0 fonts were generated with Fontware to include more sizes,
whereas the 1.1 fonts were hand-tuned.

If you're using one of the NEC P-series 24-wire printers,
select Epson LQ.

regards,
jg


Date: 01-27-89 (23:24)               Number: 881
  To: STEVE BECKWITT                 Refer#: 696
From: JOHN GRANT                       Read: NO
Subj: POTENTIAL V 2.0 BUG            Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Steve,

Thanks for the bug report. I've duplicated the problem here,
but can't tell you at this time when (if) it will be fixed.

regards,
jg


Date: 01-28-89 (03:56)               Number: 886
  To: GENE RODRIGUES                 Refer#: 698
From: JOHN RICHARDSON                  Read: YES
Subj: VENTURA PROFESSIONAL           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Thanks. I just got my December issue the other day. It was a really
timely issue for my wife and me.  thanks again.  John


Date: 01-28-89 (03:59)               Number: 887
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN RICHARDSON                  Read: NO (Has Replies)
Subj: SPOT COLOR                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I need some information that the "support staff" at Xerox can't really
provide. I haven't upgraded to v2.0 yet but am planning to do so soon.
On v2.0, can you see the spot color if you have a VGA color monitor? We
are upgrading equipment and the answer to this will help us with our
choices for a new monitor.   Thanks,     John


Date: 01-24-89 (17:34)               Number: 892
  To: DAVE ERGO                      Refer#: NONE
From: RODNEY HARRILL                   Read: NO
Subj: THANKS...                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dave, I noticed that you are with Orical, if you are in the 150 Spear
Street office, San Francisco, we are on the 15th floor, we have been
using Ventura for over a year now.  If you have any questions etc, just
give me a call: Rodney Harrill, 546-0600 x 225.


Date: 01-24-89 (09:54)               Number: 893
  To: JOHN MEYER                     Refer#: NONE
From: DAVE ERGO                        Read: YES
Subj: THANKS...                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

    Belated thanks for your fax on multi-chapter operations.  Actually,
I knew that you could add a single CHP file into an untitled PUB and
then copy it over, but most of my people have trouble understanding
this...  I usually have to walk them through it.
    What seems to throw them is that the "Copy  All" command can be used
to copy both a single CHP file AND an entire PUB.  After I explain it to
them, they understand (sometimes), but remark that it's confusing.  It
would be helpful if somehow it was a little easier to use this
particular feature.
    Thanks again.
    Dave Ergo - Oracle Corporation - VP Specialist


Date: 01-28-89 (09:26)               Number: 894
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: GEORGE HILL                      Read: (N/A)
Subj: ADVICE OF H/W FOR VP           Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

think I've finally got a loan to purchase a postscript printer and
hi-res tube and board for my Ventura work.  Now that it means REAL money
I'm trying to get the absolutely best poop on both. With my COMPAQ 286
***PORTABLE*** (the one with the composite 9" semi-color screen), I'm
going blind reading it, and have only one slot left for ANYTHING else.
Soooo.... this is basically browsing around for good info and best
people to ask.  Maybe I'll re-capture this message to you and send it in
a general mail.
{---above is extract of conv. w/sysop.  Anybody got some good info?---}


Date: 01-19-89 (00:25)               Number: 895
  To: RODNEY HARRILL                 Refer#: NONE
From: LYNN WALTERICK                   Read: YES
Subj: VP CONSULTANTS                 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Hello again Rod. I'm happy to see you're looking for consultants
again/still and wanted to let you know that since we last talked, I've
started my own consulting company doing page layout and training. I have
VP 2.0 and the Prof. Ext., modem (obviously), PostScript printer with
109 fonts (thanks), a variety of graphics programs, etc. I'm also now on
the staff of the VPUG Magazine. I am still interested in working with
you at EIP or on your own projects. If you'd like to talk further,
please give me a call at [phone] or 723-0299.
Lynn


Date: 01-28-89 (13:21)               Number: 896
  To: JOHN RICHARDSON                Refer#: 887
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: SPOT COLOR                     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

John:

The answer to your question is a tentative yes:

   You can see color with a VGA display if you
   use the right driver, which will only load
   if you have expanded memory.

I have a Video 7 Fastwrite VGA card and a Sony MultiScan. When
I run Ventura with the SDFVEG86.VGA screen driver, I see
very smooth gradations of both color hues and gray shades. The
Define Colors dialog box for 2.0 (which you haven't seen yet)
allows me to individually manipulate the four primary hues, with
instant visual feedback.

But like I said, using SDFVEG86.VGA virtually requires that you
have expanded memory available, so factor that into your decision
making.

Happy Coloring!




Rick Altman


Date: 01-28-89 (15:35)               Number: 897
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: MONTE BATEMAN                    Read: (N/A)
Subj: VENTURA TEST                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

When is the test going to be ready for the members of VPUG? I've paid
the $50 fee and I'm anxious to be off and running with it! I was at the
2.0 workshop (good workshop by the way...very informative) last Saturday
and I was told that it would be ready the following Monday. One other
question I'd like to ask you Bob. I have been working with Ventura
Publisher for over two years now. For the last year I have been training
people on Ventura at Masters Institute and I feel a strong need to
plunge into the raging waters of the consulting and freelancing
business. I read the December issue of Ventura Professional on that very
subject and found it to be very informative. There was one burning
question that was left unanswered however. How does one market oneself
in an inexpensive and efficient manner? Is there any references that you
would recommend to give more information on this topic specifically
slanted to the desktop publishing arena? Actually, one reason why I am
straining at the bit to take the aforementioned test is to get my name
out to the public as a Ventura Expert. Any information that you can give
me on this subject will be much appreciated! Just as an aside I would
like to also tell you how much I enjoy the Ventura Publishers Users
Group. Thanks for putting it all together!
                -Monte Bateman-
By the way, I'm going to be bringing about 5 of my students to the VPUG
meeting in February, can you let me know what information we will be
covering? Thanks again.


Date: 01-28-89 (20:07)               Number: 899
  To: RICK ALTMAN                    Refer#: NONE
From: BILL LAMP'L                      Read: YES
Subj: GRAY FILL                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Dear Rick:
Thank you for your suggestions for obtaining a
lighter shade of gray to fill Ventura's frames.
It sounded like just the ticket, BUT.....I'm
still having problems. Even after choosing the
very lightest percent of black (0.2%) I'm still
getting a fill very similar to Pattern One, which
is too dark for my taste. I know my QMS-810 printer
is capable of lighter shades, as it produces just
the shade I want on the test page every time it is
powered up. Any additional thoughts you might have
will be appreciated. By the way, best of luck with
the book; just tell me when and where to send the
money.....    Thanks again, Bill


Date: 01-28-89 (20:08)               Number: 900
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: BILL LAMP'L                      Read: (N/A)
Subj: VERSION 2.0 LOCKUP             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Has anyone experienced occasional lockups with 2.0?
All too often I will go to place the text cursor,
click the mouse, and suddenly find myself in a state
of suspended animation where no key responds and the
 only recourse is to reboot. Is this a bug or a
 hardware problem?


Date: 01-28-89 (22:02)               Number: 903
  To: ROBERT THOMAS                  Refer#: NONE
From: TOM CISPER                       Read: YES
Subj: FONT ASSISTANCE                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I RECENTLY DOWNLOADED SEVERAL OF THE SOFT FONT FILES. I TRIED
DOWNLOADING THEM TO A HP SERIES II PRINTER USING ELFRING'S DOWNLOAD
PROGRAM AS WELL AS TRYING TO PRINT THEM USING THEM LISTFONT. NEITHER OF
THESE WOULD RECOGNIZE THESE FONTS. THIS IS NOT MY FIRST TIME USING
SOFT FONTS - JUST THE FIRST TIME TRYING TO USE THESE SOFT FONTS. I
HUMBLY ASK FOR ANY ASSISTANCE OR INSIGHT YOU MIGHT PROVIDE.
SINCERELY.
P.S. THANKS FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN PROVIDE.


Date: 01-28-89 (23:16)               Number: 905
  To: BILL LAMP'L                    Refer#: 899
From: DANIEL WILL-HARRIS               Read: NO
Subj: GRAY FILL                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If you have GEM draw, draw a square in it and fill it with the lightest
shade. I've found that GEM draw drawings (or artline's) with grey print
a much finer, lighter shade than Ventura's own.

-=Daniel=-


Date: 01-28-89 (23:36)               Number: 906
  To: DANIEL WILL-HARRIS             Refer#: 852
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: NO
Subj: UTILITY TO CAPTURE SCREEN      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Will Collage capture screens from a Genius MDS monitor? Oh, please say
yes (but only if it's true)!


Date: 01-28-89 (23:46)               Number: 907
  To: MORAD RAHMANI                  Refer#: 846
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: NO
Subj: LINE SPACING                   Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

You might also try setting the Inter-Line space (in fractional points)
to exactly the same value as the point size of the type, and use either
the above space OR the below space to add the extra value needed. It may
give you a little more control of what's happening.


Date: 01-28-89 (23:57)               Number: 908
  To: BILL LAMP'L                    Refer#: 899
From: BYRON CANFIELD                   Read: NO
Subj: GRAY FILL                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

I'm assuming that QMS is still bundling the red and blue PostScript
books with their printers. Refer to the Cookbook for how to set up a
rectangle with a fill pattern (you could set up several for testing
purposes), and with that you can define a gray fill using the SETGRAY
operator. Typically it would be something like this:

%!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-0.0
%%BoundingBox: 0 0 72 72
0.1 setgray
0 0 moveto
0 72 lineto
72 72 lineto
72 0 lineto
closepath
fill
           <====if there are characters here, there shouldn't be--line
glitch, I think.

You can then import this file into any size frame and it will expand or
contract accordingly. The 0.1 SETGRAY is 10% black (0.0 being black).
You may specify in 100ths as well, i.e. 0.01 (though you're printer
probably won't show that light a screen).


Date: 01-29-89 (04:23)               Number: 910
  To: ALL                            Refer#: NONE
From: DENIS LATKOWSKI                  Read: (N/A)
Subj: POSTSCRIPT FONTS               Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

The manuals for Gem's Artline mention that a postscript fonts (not
Adobe's) can be brought into and used with Artline if the font is in
text mode with an extension of PFM(?). Nowhere, on any board, have I
been able to locate such a Postscript font file.
 Anyone have any suggestions/ideas where scuh might be found?
Thanks in advance.


Date: 01-29-89 (10:19)               Number: 911
  To: TOM CISPER                     Refer#: 903
From: ROBERT THOMAS                    Read: YES
Subj: FONT ASSISTANCE                Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

If you could leave me a list of the fonts ,what version of Gary's d/l
and what program you are trying to use them in. I will take a look.
Rob Thomas


Date: 01-29-89 (23:21)               Number: 914
  To: BILL LAMP'L                    Refer#: 899
From: RICK ALTMAN                      Read: NO
Subj: GRAY FILL                      Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE

Bill:

I'm surprised that you're still having problems with too-dark
shades -- especially with the 810, which is the printer that
I use most of the time.

Are you sure that you're choosing SOLID as the pattern once
you choose the new color? In most cases, the frame or box you
choose should remain clear, as the screen driver probably
cannot display such a fine shade, but the printer should reward
you with a very light, fine shade.

If you remain stumped, why not send or upload the chapter to
me and I'll have a look? My address is:

           2040 W. Middlefield, No. 5
           Mountain View, CA  94043

If you do upload it here, notify Gene R. and when you make the
ARC file, leave out the width table, to keep the file size down.






Rick A.