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CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_

Reported by Urs Eppenberger/SWITCH

Minutes of the X.400 Operations Working Group (X400OPS)

Agenda


   o Introduction
   o Action List Review
   o Liaison Reports
   o Review Charter
   o GO-MHS Community Document
   o Review X.400 Operations Documents
   o Presentation by Jeroen Houttuin on ``Mail based servers''
   o Presentation by Marko Kaittola on ``Table Distribution''
   o AOB and Plan for next meeting in Amsterdam


The Minutes do not follow the Agenda but provide two main sections,
liaison reports and document status.  All Agenda items have been grouped
into these two sections.  A list of actions is appended to make it
easier for the Working Group Chairs to track Action Items.  The Minutes
of the last X400OPS meeting in Washington, DC were approved.

Review Charter

The Goals in the Charter of the X400OPS Group need to be reviewed.  The
references to OPS-* should be replaced by the names of the documents in
the Internet-Drafts Directory.  The title and time scale of
draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt (OPS-6) is not realistic.

Liaison Reports


   o IETF MHSDS Working Group.

     The main focus is on the establishment of a pilot by adding routing
     information to the directory to gain operational experience.  The
     Group hopes to have something to demonstrate at the next IETF in
     Amsterdam.

   o RARE WG-MSG Working Group on Mail and Messaging.

     A task force works on a number of documents on X.400(88)
     deployment.

     A lot of other documents have been sent for comments to both
     X400OPS and WG-MSG.

     WG-MSG is not a working group in the IETF sense, it is more like an
     IETF Area since it covers all mail protocols and is an ongoing
     Group which may split off chartered task forces.

     WG-MSG has been approached by Allan to see if the postmaster
     document would be appropriate to be published as RARE Technical
     Report (RTR). The chairman of WG-MSG, Harald T. Alvestrand, is
     positive about it.  It might be bundled with the GO-MHS
     requirement.

   o Electronic Mail Association (EMA).

     Nothing was reported.

   o European Electronic Mail Association (EEMA).

     Jim Romaguera reported from EEMA. He has been approached by some
     ADMD service providers with questions concerning the connection of
     their services to the Internet.  He will forward the questions to
     the X400-OPS list.

     The most interesting activities are in the EEMA PRMD operators
     group and in the EEMA ADMD operators group.  The problem is that
     they do not have electronic mailing lists for their discussions but
     rather use paper mail.  Perhaps the X400OPS Group could offer to
     host distribution lists and archives for them?

   o COSINE-MHS Project.

     The new service is called MHS Coordination Service.  SWITCH got a
     contract by RARE to provide the staff and the required facilities.
     RARE is the umbrella organisation for research and academic
     networks in Europe.  The contract will be moved to the Operational
     Unit, once they have started operation.  The European members
     contribute to cost based on a cost key which is not fully decided
     yet, but key elements are the number of served organisations within
     a network and if the network uses the mapping tables or has
     registered a mapping.  50% of the total cost will be covered by the
     Commission of the European Countries.  It is possible that networks
     which use the MHS Coordination Service outside Europe will be asked
     for a contribution as well.

     There was consensus that the Group support migrating the Cosine MHS
     community to the GO-MHS Community, in principle.
     Jim pointed out, and others agreed, that this migration must be
     thought out.  Urs has to revise the Cosine MHS documents anyway, so
     he volunteered to write up a list of issues that are involved in
     the transition and send it to the list.

     There was a discussion about the relationship between the GO-MHS
     community and the MHS Coordination Service.  People felt that a
     community is not ``open'' in the Internet sense if one must pay to
     join it.  Erik Huizer pointed out that a GO-MHS coordination
     service must provide global coordination, regardless of financial
     contributions.  He pointed out that there are U.S. Internet
     coordination services which provide international services but are
     funded solely by the U.S., including the NIC and the IANA (naming
     authority).  There was a discussion that there is a difference
     between providing coordination and providing consulting and
     technical support.  Erik was going to work to see that the MHS
     Coordination service is able to provide coordination for the GO-MHS
     community regardless of financial contributions.  However,
     consulting and technical assistance may be limited to contributing
     members of the service.

   o Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG).

     Erik Huizer, IESG Application Area Director, reported on the
     decision to create an Application Area Directorate which will
     investigate overall concepts for networked applications.  Priority
     is set for email and the character set issue.

     The document on Mail Based Servers is considered of broader
     interest and will be taken out of the X400OPS Group to be worked on
     by email experts for the SMTP and X.400 protocols.  However, the
     current version will be used as a requirements document by the MHS
     Coordination Service.


Document Status

Editor's Note (md):  A detailed listing of the status of the documents
of the X400OPS Working Group is available via ftp under
x400ops-minutes-93mar.txt.  Refer to Section 1.2 of the Proceedings for
retrieval instructions.

Action List


Jim Romaguera             To forward the questions from the ADMD
                          operators to the X400OPS list.

                          To update his document after a final call for
                          comments and send it to the RFC Editor for
                          consideration as an Informational RFC.

Erik Huizer               To work out the possibility of basing the
                          coordination point for the GO-MHS community on
                          a sound political basis.

                          To make sure that documents from other groups
                          (esp., RARE working groups) will have the
                          appropriate group name in the ID filename
                          instead of the author's surname.

MHS Coordination Service   To work out procedures for new members of
                          the GO-MHS community to join the coordination
                          service.

Alf Hansen                To send
                          draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt to
                          the IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area
                          Director, Erik Huizer, for consideration of
                          the document as an Informational RFC.

Claudio Allocchio         To report to the X400OPS Group on the results
                          of the discussion with IAB/IESG on the usage
                          of DNS for mapping/routing tables.

                          To update the documents
                          draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-02.txt and
                          draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt
                          according to the results of the preceding
                          action.

                          To write a document on the implementation of
                          the two proposals from the preceding action.

Urs Eppenberger           To wait for the decision of the IESG on his
                          document, do the final modifications and send
                          it to the RFC Editor.

Harald T. Alvestrand      To send
                          draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-01.txt to the
                          IESG with a copy to the Area Director, Erik
                          Huizer for consideration of the document as a
                          Proposed Standard.

Marko Kaittola            To update his document according to the
                          comments received, choose a new title and
                          prepare a new version for the next IETF
                          meeting in Amsterdam.

Einar Stefferud           To integrate the final comments to the
                          document draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt and
                          then send it to the IESG for consideration as
                          an Informational RFC.

Allan Cargille            To send draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt
                          to the IESG with a copy to the Area Director,
                          Erik Huizer for consideration of the document
                          as a Proposed Standard.

All Group Members         To send comments to the mapping authority
                          paper in a timely fashion to the list or to
                          Jeroen Houttuin to allow him to create a new
                          version for the next RARE WG-MSG meeting at
                          JENC 93 in Trondheim.

Tony Genovese/Alf Hansen   To propose a revised version of the Charter.



Attendees

Claudio Allocchio        [e-mail]
Harald Alvestrand        [e-mail]
C. Allan Cargille        [e-mail]
Kevin Carosso            [e-mail]
George Chang             [e-mail]
Robert Cooney            [e-mail]
Thomas DeWitt            [e-mail]
Urs Eppenberger          [e-mail]
Jeroen Houttuin          [e-mail]
Erik Huizer              [e-mail]
Barbara Jennings         [e-mail]
Kevin Jordan             [e-mail]
Marko Kaittola           [e-mail]
John Klensin             [e-mail]
Mary La Roche            [e-mail]
Sylvain Langlois         [e-mail]
Bruce Mackey             [e-mail]
Ignacio Martinez         [e-mail]
Judy Nasar               [e-mail]
Edward Reed              [e-mail]
Jim Romaguera            [e-mail]
Yzhak Ronen              [e-mail]
Gary Rowe                [e-mail]
Sue Smith                smiths.es.net
Einar Stefferud          [e-mail]
Catherine Summers        [e-mail]
Louisa Thomson           [e-mail]
Panos-Gavriil Tsigaridas [e-mail]
Russ Wright              [e-mail]