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-
- Below are some recurring questions about driving in California. Some answers
- are extracted from net postings. Answers include the name and email address of
- the author; unattributed responses might have been created out of thin air.
- Please send any additions, corrections, or suggestions to the update address
- listed in an answer, or to the Reply-To address in the header of this message.
-
- Disclaimer: any information contained herein may be incorrect and/or may
- simply be an expression of opinion. No guarantee of suitability for any
- purpose is offered or implied. No responsibility is assumed for any use, or
- for any consequences resulting from any use, of information contained herein.
-
- the questions:
- 1.How do I get a copy of the California Vehicle Code?
- 2.What are some noteworthy or peculiar California Vehicle Code laws?
- 3.What is the grace period for getting a driver's license after establishing
- residency in California? What is the grace period for vehicle registration?
- 4.How much insurance must a driver carry?
- 5.Do insurance companies have to be licensed in CA? How can I tell if one is?
- 6.What are some locations of speed and carpool lane enforcement traps?
- 7.Are radar detectors illegal in CA, or just not popular for some reason?
- 8.Do I have to have my driver's license with me when driving?
- 9.Do I have to have any identification with me while not driving?
- 10.Am I entitled to a jury trial for my traffic ticket? Can I have counsel
- appointed at public expense? Can I be sent to prison if found guilty?
- 11.Can a local cop site you for speeding on an Interstate?
- 12.What information is in the driver license mag stripe?
- 13.How often can I be cited for expired vehicle registration? And is it always
- or never a fix-it ticket?
- 14.Do out-of-state tickets appear on your California DMV printout, and
- can insurance companies can find this info out if they don't?
- 15.Do tickets dismissed by traffic school attendance appear on my DMV record?
- 16.When you see a sign "Litter removal next two miles by organization XXX",
- what exactly does XXX do?
- 17.What are some recommended readings?
- 18.What are the phone numbers of some public agencies?
- 19.Is window tinting legal?
- 20.Do I need chains in the mountains if I have snow tires? If so, what kind?
- 21.What's the net.recommendation for motorcycle insurance?
- 22.What is a "CHiPs detector"? What's the complete story on CHP radios?
- 23.But aren't most citizens prohibited from using mobile radio scanners?
-
- and the answers:
- 1.How do I get a copy of the California Vehicle Code?
-
- Go to any DMV office and pay $3.00. Many libraries carry it or a privately
- pulished version with interpretations and case references, such as West's
- Annotated California Codes and Deering's California Codes.
-
-
- 2.What are some noteworthy or peculiar California Vehicle Code laws?
-
- Disclaimer: these are paraphrased, and therefore may be wrong. If
- you need to know exactly what the law says, please look it up!
-
- -- both license plates issued for a vehicle must be displayed [CVC 5200]
- -- an accident must be reported within 10 days to the DMV in Sacramento if
- there is death, bodily injury, or property damage > $500 [CVC 16000]
- -- U-turns are permitted on any green light unless signs prohibit[CVC 21451]
- -- a driver may not stop IN the crosswalk for a red light [CVC 21453(a)]
- -- right turn on circular red (not a red arrow!), and left turn on circular
- red from a one-way street onto a one-way street, are permitted after
- stopping and unless otherwise posted [CVC 21453(b)]
- -- a driver may not turn against a red arrow for the indicated turn
- regardless of signals shown for other movements [CVC 21453(c)]
- -- curb markings [CVC 21458}:
- red: no stopping, standing, or parking
- yellow: stopping only for loading or unloading passengers or freight
- white: loading/unloading passengers, or depositing mail in adjacent box
- green: time limit parking specified by local ordinance
- blue: handicap parking
- -- a double parallel solid line may be crossed to make a left or U-turn,
- or turn into or out of a driveway or private road [CVC 21460]
- -- a two-way left-turn lane may only be used to prepare for and make a left
- turn or permitted U-turn from or into a highway; a vehicle shall not be
- driven in that lane for more than 200 feet [CVC 21460.5(c)]
- -- a _pair_ of double parallel solid lines may not be crossed [CVC 21651(a)]
- -- a U-turn can be made wherever a left turn can be made on a divided
- highway [CVC 21651(a)(2)], although see references to 22102-3 below
- -- notwithstanding speed limits, a vehicle driven less than the normal
- speed of traffic must be driven in the right-hand lane except when
- passing or preparing for a left turn [CVC 21654]
- -- Motorcycles can make use of high occupancy lanes unless explicitly
- prohibited by traffic control devices [CVC 21655.5]
- -- the descending vehicle shall yield to the ascending vehicle on a grade if
- the roadway is of insufficient width for both [CVC 21661]
- -- when preparing to turn, you must drive into a bicycle lane, if one, no
- more than 200 feet from the intersection [CVC 21717]
- -- pedestrians have right-of-way in crosswalks, but pedestrians shall not
- walk or run into the path of a vehicle [CVC 21950]
- -- right turns must be made into the rightmost lane except when turning from
- a terminating highway with three or more lanes or from a one-way highway
- at an intersection [CVC 22100(a)]
- -- left turns may be made into any available lane [CVC 22100(b)]
- -- U-turns must be made from the two-way left turn lane, if one, or
- leftmost lane otherwise [CVC 22100.5, 22102]
- -- U-turns are prohibited in a business district except at intersections or
- through openings in a divided roadway [CVC 22102]
- -- U-turns are permitted in a residential district only if no vehicle
- approaching is closer than 200 feet or where protected by sign or
- signal [CVC 22103]
- -- turn signals are required for turns and lane changes which may affect any
- other vehicle [CVC 22107]
- -- signals are required during the last 100 feet before turning [CVC 22018]
- -- vehicles shall be stopped or parked, where permitted, with the right-hand
- wheels within 18 inches of the right-hand curb; if no curbs, right-hand
- parallel parking is required unless otherwise indicated [CVC 22502(a)]
- -- it is unlawful to drive a vehicle while under the influence of an
- alcoholic beverage or any drug [CVC 23152(a)]
- -- it is unlawful for any person who has 0.08 percent or more, by weight,
- of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a vehicle [CVC 23152(b)]
- -- Lights shall not project glaring rays into the eyes of oncoming drivers
- when approaching within 500 feet. The use of low beams shall be deemed
- to avoid glare regardless of road contour. Low beam headlamps shall be
- used when following another vehicle within 300 feet. In all cases,
- foglamps and/or auxiliary passing lamps may be used with low beams if
- they are aimed so as to avoid projecting glaring rays into the eyes of
- oncoming drivers. [CVC 24403-9]
- -- The operator of a private motor vehicle is responsible for the use of
- seat belts by him/herself and all passengers 4 years of age or over
- [CVC 27315(d)]; in addition, passengers 16 years of age or over are
- responsible for their own seat belt use [CVC 27315(e)]. The fine for
- not wearing a seat belt is $20 for the first offense and $50 thereafter.
-
- From: Sharen A. Rund <sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>:
- Effective 1 Jan 1993, you can be stopped and ticketed for _not_ wearing
- your seat belt - currently, you can only be ticketed if the officer
- stopped you for another infraction, then noticed that you were not
- wearing your seatbelt.
- -- a passenger seat restraint must be used for children under 4 [CVC 27360]
- -- there doesn't appear to be a law giving right-of-way to either party in
- a merge onto a freeway, although the Spring 1991 DMV California Driver
- Handbook states "Freeway traffic has the right of way." [p. 48].
- -- there appears to be no maximum permitted number of lane changes per mile
-
-
- 3.What is the grace period for getting a driver's license after establishing
- residency in California? What is the grace period for vehicle registration?
-
- The grace period for a driver's licenses is 10 days unless you are employed
- for the purpose of driving, in which case there is no grace period [CVC
- 12505]. Application for vehicle registration is required within 20 days
- [CVC 4152.5].
-
-
- 4.How much insurance must a driver carry?
-
- from the Spring 1991 DMV California Driver Handbook:
-
- California's COMPULSORY FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW requires every DRIVER
- and OWNER of a motor vehicle to maintain financial responsibility. There
- are four forms of financial responsibility:
-
- o Coverage by a motor vehicle liability insurance policy [of at least
- $15,000/30,000/5,000].
- o A deposit of $35,000 with DMV.
- o A bond for the same amount (although generally bonds are unavailable).
- o DMV approved self-insurance.
-
-
- 5.Do insurance companies have to be licensed in CA? How can I tell if one is?
-
- From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III) on Oct 24 1992:
-
- Today's Los Angeles Times (10/23/92) carries an article on unlicensed
- insurers in its business section on page D1. This article does not apply
- solely to car insurance. Summary:
-
- The unlicensed insurance business is booming in California, with sales
- increasing by a factor of 30 since 1988. However, complaints have also
- increased by a factor of 100. Many consumers are finding that they have
- been paying claims to nothing more than a PO Box operation, and it is almost
- impossible to have a claim processed, especially if the company has
- surreptitiously folded. Insurers using state-licensed agencies are
- protected from insolvency by a fund. Also, the state has no power over
- unlicensed companies, that are often found to be based outside of the U.S.
- State law prohibits unlicensed insurers from selling in the state, unless
- the policyholder cannot find similar coverage from a licensed carrier. Only
- certain brokers (surplus-line carriers) are authorized by the state to sell
- out-of-state policies, and that those brokers should be checking these
- companies solvency. The State does acknowledge, though, that some people
- are not checking due to negligence or that they just don't care. You can
- find out if a certain carrier is ok by calling the Ca Insurance Consumer
- line at 800-927-HELP.
-
- End Summary:
-
- The article does not mention the penalties for using one of these companies,
- namely suspension of your license if you are found to be using one for the
- financial responsibility requirement (liability insurance). The state and
- DMV will consider you uninsured for the period that you were using them.
- They also do not mention that a companies' status (licensed to unlicensed)
- may change without notification to the consumer.
-
-
- 6.What are some locations of speed and carpool lane enforcement traps?
-
- entry format: zone, city or area, road, posted speed, submitter
-
- zones:
-
- Bay area
- Central Valley
- LA metro
- N CA rural
- S CA rural
- San Diego metro
-
- Certain fields omitted where not applicable. A ? indicates missing
- data. Direction before the road indicates submitter specified that
- direction of travel as the speed trap.
-
- If you would like to add to or correct the speed traps list, please
- (originally compiled by stevea@locus.com)
- (if you would like to maintain this list, please Reply!)
- send entries in the format you see here. Please tell me
- if you wish to remain anonymous. If you don't tell me, I will list
- you as a submitter.
-
- Bay Area, Santa Clara, E Montague @ Lafayette, 45, woolsey
- Bay area, Cor?elia, I-80 near where it meets I-680, 55, muir
- Bay area, Fremont, Grimmer Blvd near Blacow Rd--no speed limit sign, 35, marcb
- Bay area, Fremont, Mission Blvd and Nursery Ave, 50, marcb
- Bay area, Fremont, Paseo Padre near Covington Dr, 30, marcb
- Bay area, Fremont, Paseo Padre Pkwy near Darwin Dr, 30, marcb
- Bay area, Fremont, 5 Corners area (Fremont/Washington/Union etc.), 25/35, marcb
- Bay area, Los Gatos, N Hwy 17 Summit Rd to Hwy 9, 50, marcb
- Bay area, Milpitas, Milpitas Blvd S of Jacklin Rd, ??, owen
- Bay area, Mtn View, Easy St access ramp from Central Expwy to CA 85, 25, Anon.
- Bay area, Mtn View, US 101 north at CA 85, 55 (CHP hides under bridge), Anon.
- Bay area, Mtn View, US 101 north of Moffett Field/Castro overpass,
- 55 (CHP hides way off road), jet
- Bay area, Oakland, Mandela Pkwy (Cypress Blvd), 35, Anon.
- Bay area, Oyster Point, US 101 between SF Airport & Candlestick, 55, lstowell
- Bay area, Palo Alto or M. View?, San Antonio Rd by Sun PAL-1 building, 35, owen
- Bay area, Palo Alto, Alma, 25/35 or 30?, owen
- Bay area, Palo Alto, Page Mill Rd, 35, Anon.
- Bay area, Pinole, I-80, 55, owen
- Bay area, San Carlos/Belmont/San Mateo, I-280 @ Hwy 92, 55, lstowell
- Bay area, San Jose, I-880 @ US 101 both directions, 55, Anon.
- Bay area, Santa Clara, Lawrence Expressway, 50, Anon.
- Bay area, Santa Clara, San Tomas Expressway, 45, Anon.
- Bay area, Santa Clara, San Tomas Expressway, 45, Anon.
- Bay area, Sausalito, US 101 over Waldo Grade, 55, Anon.
- Bay area, Sunnyvale, Central Expressway--recessed portion, 50, dhepner
- Bay area, Sunnyvale, Wolfe Road between Evelyn and I-280, 35, dhepner
- Bay area, Vallejo, I-80 just NE of Vallejo at top of hill, 55, muir
- Central Valley, Auburn area, I-80 between Auburn & Alta, 55, muir
- Central Valley, Bakersfield, I-5 near Bakersfield, 65, lstowell
- Central Valley, Davis, I-80 @ Davis I-80 business loop, 55, muir
- Central Valley, Los Banos area, I-5 near CA 152, 65, lstowell
- Central Valley, Sacramento, I-80 thru Davis-Sacramento moderately bad, 55, muir
- LA metro, Corona, CA 91, 55, mcgillis
- LA metro, Grapevine area, I-5, 55, lstowell
- LA metro, W of LAX, Vista Del Mar--Rosecrans to Culver Blvd, 35/40/45, stevea
- N CA Rural, , I-80 between Sacramento & Tahoe, 55, lstowell
- N CA rural, El Dorado Co., US 50 from Placerville to Sac. Co. line, 55, Anon.
- S CA Rural, Solvang, US 101, 55, lstowell
- S CA rural, King City, US 101 in King City, 55, raveling
-
- CARPOOL LANE ENFORCEMENT
-
- Bay area, Santa Clara Co, I-280 from Guadalupe Pwky to Foothill Expwy, , marcb
- Bay area, Menlo Park, 101-S btwn Marsh & Willow @ Rlrd. Overpass, , gary.cook
- Bay area, San Jose/Milpitas, Hwy 237 near Hwy 880, , owen & marcb
-
- Submitters:
-
- owen@netcom.com
- mcgillis@lefty.sdd.trw.com
- lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com
- dhepner@hpcuhc.cup.hp.com
- marcb@ecst.csuchico.edu
- stevea@locus.com
- raveling@unify.com
- gary.cook@corp.sun.com
- muir@csi.com
- woolsey@folderol.uucp
- jet@nas.nasa.gov
-
-
- 7.Are radar detectors illegal in CA, or just not popular for some reason?
-
- From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) on 30 Jul 92:
-
- They're perfectly legal. I think it's a combination of factors that
- keeps their popularity down.
-
- First, there seems to be a mistaken impression that the CHP is not
- permitted to use radar. This is false; although for years the
- Legislature shot down funding for radar equipment, local jurisdictions
- have always been free to provide gear to the CHP for local trouble
- spots, and I believe the CHP now has funding to buy a limited number
- of radar units of their own. And remember that local police and
- sheriff's deputies have never been reluctant to use radar.
-
- Second is the fact that radar is essentially useless in heavy freeway
- traffic, because there's no way to pinpoint one violator. And at rush
- hour, much of this traffic doesn't ever see the speed limit anyway.
-
- Third, I just don't think Californians have as much of an adversarial
- relationship with police as residents of other states do. The CHP by
- and large plays fair, and as a result most drivers here seem to feel
- they deserved a ticket if they got caught.
-
- I carry a radar detector and make frequent use of it, especially in
- known radar speed traps (e.g. most of Palo Alto especially Alma St.
- and Charleston, highway 17 through the mountains). I highly recommend
- a good radar detector to anyone who drives, whether your foot is made
- of lead or feathers, since most urban speed limits in California are
- set well below the 85th percentile speed and are thus de facto speed
- traps.
-
-
- 8.Do I have to have my driver's license with me when driving?
-
- If you get hauled in for a traffic violation, yes. A licensee must display
- it to a magistrate or judge upon request if brought before them for any
- traffic violation [CVC 12952]. A charge of failure to have your license in
- possession while driving is automatically dismissed if you produce it in
- court [CVC 12951(a)], as long as it was valid, etc. After two such
- dismissals, the court has the option not to dismiss. So, you shouldn't
- make a habit of not carrying it while driving.
-
-
- 9.Do I have to have any identification with me while not driving?
-
- Not if you don't break any laws. If you do break the law and don't want to
- sit in jail, it helps to have positive identification: "Whenever any person
- is arrested by a peace officer for a misdemeanor, that person shall be
- released [...] unless [...] [t]he person could not provide satisfactory
- evidence of personal identification" [Penal Code 853.6(i)(5)]. Note that
- most traffic tickets are not for misdemeanors but infractions, and "all
- provisions of law relative to misdemeanors shall apply to infractions"
- [Penal Code 19d].
-
-
- 10.Am I entitled to a jury trial for my traffic ticket? Can I have counsel
- appointed at public expense? Can I be sent to prison if found guilty?
-
- No, no, and no [Penal Code 19c]. This only applies to infractions, of
- course. You get the book thrown at you, and all resulting rights and
- privileges, for misdemeanors and felonies whether or not committed behind
- the wheel.
-
-
- 11.Can a local cop site you for speeding on an Interstate?
-
- Yes. For felonies and public offenses (which include infractions and
- misdemeanors) in the presence of the officer, or actions that could cause
- great bodily harm or death, the sworn POST (Peace Officers Standard
- Training) certified officer is empowered in the entire state [see Penal
- Code 830, 832, 1523]. Furthermore, the authority of sheriffs, police
- officers, etc., extends to any place in the state as to any public offense
- committed (or believed to have been committed) within the political
- subdivision which employs him or her [Penal Code 830.1].
-
-
- 12.What information is in the driver license mag stripe?
-
- (RISKS appears on Usenet as comp.risks. See any issue for information
- on accessing RISKS DIGEST archives.)
-
- In RISKS DIGEST 11.03, hibbert@xanadu.UUCP (Chris Hibbert) wrote:
-
- There will be a magnetic stripe on the back with three tracks encoded on it.
- The middle track will be encoded in the same format as your credit cards,
- and will therefore be readable with ordinary commercial readers. This track
- will only contain 40 bytes of information, and will only contain the name,
- driver's license number, and expiration date. The other two tracks will be
- in a format that is incompatible with current commercial readers, and will
- contain the rest of the information that is printed on the front: birth
- date, eye color, hair color, height, weight etc.
-
- The picture on the front will be an ordinary photo [color], with a hologram
- of the state and DMV seals to make counterfeiting harder. There will
- apparently be a different version for people under the legal drinking age:
- the picture will be on the right instead of the left.
-
- In RISKS DIGEST 11.63, atn@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Alan Nishioka) wrote:
-
- Just for fun, I thought I'd try to read it. I had previously been able to
- read bank cards (with help from sci.electronics).
-
- Bank Cards -- conform to ANSI/ISO 7810-1985 ($10)
- Track 1: 6 bit word with 1 bit parity. LSB first.
- code offset 32 below ASCII code.
- Track 2: 4 bit word with 1 bit parity. LSB first. Numbers only.
-
- Driver's License --
- Track 1: 6 bit word with no parity. Otherwise same as Bank Card.
- Track 2: Same as Bank Card.
- Track 3: ?
-
- California Driver's License:
- Track 2: (low density)
- 8 unidentified digits License Number Separator
- Expiration Date (YYMM) Separator Date of Birth (YYYYMMDD)
- Track 1: (High density)
- Name Address City
- Track 3: (High density. Can't reposition read head. )
-
- It looks like there is space for a 58 character name [...], a 29 character
- address and a 13 character city. I suspect the third track contains the
- rest of the information from the front of the license.
-
-
- 13.How often can I be cited for expired vehicle registration? And is it always
- or never a fix-it ticket?
-
- From: David_Carl_Ehlert@cup.portal.com on 3 mar 1992:
-
- If I had gotten a ticket for an expired registration, I would have gotten it
- taken care of very quickly. Here is an explanation I got from a police
- officer whom I asked about expired registration:
-
- He usually allows 1-2 months of padding before he pulls someone over. He
- will write the ticket "ALMOST" all of the time because the first time is
- usually a fix-it. If he pulls someone over, and they already received a
- ticket for the expired registration within 5-7 days of the current day, he
- will usually let it go. If it is longer than 5-7 days, he will always write
- the ticket and not make it a fix-it. Fix-it tickets are always at the
- discretion of the officer.
-
- As for the officer stating that you had 6 weeks, there is nothing in the CVC
- that states that. Once your registration expires, you should expect
- receiving a ticket. Your registration is due the day the one from the
- previous year expires.
-
-
- 14.Do out-of-state tickets appear on your California DMV printout, and
- can insurance companies can find this info out if they don't?
-
- From: gordon@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL (Gordon C. Zaft) on 15 Nov 1991:
-
- Well, it happened to me! I had two tickets from Texas and one from New
- Mexico show up on DMV record last year (they were from almost 3 years ago!
- I don't know why the delay) and my insurance went up $200!
-
- From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) on 19 Nov 1991:
-
- I friend of mine got a speeding ticket in Texas, two years ago, and when he
- recently went to get a DMV printout for the insurance company, it was there!
-
- From: wab@worf.Rational.COM (Bill Baker) on 23 Nov 1991:
-
- This is called "reciprocity". Basically what it means is that if you don't
- pay an out of state ticket, the DMV of the state issuing your license agrees
- to put it on your record and charge you for it when you go to renew your
- license, the idea being that the other state will do the same for tickets
- issued to their drivers in your home state. I've had a lot of experience
- with this.
-
- Most states do not have reciprocity with every other state. Most states
- usually have reciprocity with neighbor states. However, home states can be
- pretty lax about applying out of state penalties. I had my Washington
- license "revoked" by California, Oregon, and North Dakota, but the Wash. DMV
- renewed my license without complaint (as long as I paid those in state
- tickets). I also once tried to skip out on a bunch of Wash. tickets by
- applying for a new license in Oregon. I told the clerk I'd never had a
- license, but when he ran my ID on the computer he came back with a list of
- my many outstanding Washington tickets. Then he gave me a copy of the
- written test and told me to return it to him when I was done. I mean, he
- *knew* I was lying but apparently that didn't bar you from getting an Oregon
- license. Sometimes state rivalries can have weird fallout.
-
- You can probably find out from DMV what states California has reciprocity
- agreements with. Nevada is almost certainly one of them. I'm not familiar
- enough with CA DMV to know how seriously they enforce reciprocity. However,
- whether or not your home state cares about out of state tickets, the state
- issuing the ticket never forgets. If you get stopped in that state again,
- they will almost certainly haul you to the local hoosegow and keep you there
- until you pay the massive fine.
-
- Insurance companies are a much bigger menace. They get data from
- everywhere. It's very hard to hide tickets from them. However, most states
- can't release a record of a ticket until the ticket is actually paid,
- because you aren't officially guilty until you've paid the ticket or had a
- "trial". My insurance company never knew about my out of state tickets as
- long as I didn't pay them. Of course, had I been caught a second time in
- one of those states and been "convicted" of driving on a "revoked" license
- with unpaid tickets, my insurance rating would have become terminal
- immediately.
-
- The bottom line is, if you're caught speeding next door, you'd better pay it
- because there's a good chance you'll get stopped again in that state, which
- would be a disaster. If you're caught out in Podunk State (say North
- Dakota) and you don't expect to be back more than once or twice in your
- lifetime, you can take a chance on skipping out on the ticket. Remember,
- though, that the rural states are wise to this. They usually direct you to
- drive to the next state patrol office and pay the ticket immediately. They
- may follow you to make sure you do.
-
- From: Mark Walsh <optilink!walsh@uunet.uu.NET> on 16 Dec 91:
-
- I got screwed by the city of Berkeley early last year. The police officer
- was very polite, and he said that the ticket was merely a fine like a
- parking ticket, and it would not go on my DMV record. Guess what? My
- insurance went up! When I talked to my agent, he said that their (Farmer's)
- computers talk to many local computers, and everybody shares info with
- everybody else, and that the DMV was probably the only bureaucracy that did
- not know about the ticket.
-
-
- 15.Do tickets dismissed by traffic school attendance appear on my DMV record?
-
- From: jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes) on 29 oct 1991:
-
- Here's the scoop. Note: this changed recently, and I'll note the
- differences between what's in effect now and what was before Jan 1, 1991.
- There are two versions of your DMV record, what I'll call the private one
- and the public one. The private one has all of your transactions, since the
- establishment of your bits in their computer. This is a "write-only" type
- of record. Nothing ever gets removed (except for incorrect information :-).
-
- The public record is the one that you can get for a fee, and the one that
- your insurance company can get. This has things dropped off after certain
- time limits that vary with the charge (for instance, DWI events stay
- longer). In addition, if you go to traffic school, moving violations do not
- get transferred to your "public" record, and you don't get the "points"
- involved added to your record -- get a certain number of points in a certain
- amount of time (4 in a year, 6 in 2 years, 8 in 3 years [CVC 12810.5]) and
- you can lose your license; you may have to check up on DMV to make sure that
- they received your of certificate of traffic school completion. The right
- time to do this is *before* your insurance comes up for renewal ...
-
- Starting January 1, 1991, if you get another moving violation within the
- first year after going to traffic school, the *original* violation gets
- moved from your private record to your public record (so that insurance
- companies can see it), but you don't get charged points for it. In
- addition, you are ineligible for traffic school, so you'll now have two
- convictions on your record.
-
- From: Ed.Evans@f227.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Ed Evans) on 1 nov 1991:
-
- I've been told that if you go to traffic school, and if you get another
- moving violation within 18 months, then your original citation will appear
- on your DMV printout. This information has been denied by DMV personnel.
- However, Gov. Dukemajen signed a bill to this effect before he left office.
- Before he signed the bill, the policy was for the citation to reappear if
- the violator violated within 12 months.
-
- Going to traffic school is an admission of guilt. The violator's citation
- is not "forgiven" and it does not "disappear." It is "masked." This means
- that it is kept in an informal holding area (of a computer) forever. To
- wit: a violation within 18 months of attending traffic school causes the
- citation to become "unmasked" and it remains unmasked until it has been
- presented to the world for its 36 month tour of DMV abstract access. After
- 36 months, all citations are masked and do not reappear, except for PD's on
- request, courts, and the National Security Agency on request. This is
- important to know if you want to become a cop or need a top secret
- clearance. Otherwise, it'll probably never matter, once the citation is
- masked.
-
- There's a lot of folk wisdom passed out by traffic violator school
- instructors. I know, I'm one of them.
-
- From: Mark Walsh <optilink!walsh@uunet.uu.NET> on 16 Dec 91:
-
- Lesson: make sure that your traffic school paperwork gets all of the way
- through the system. I went through the traffic school, and sent the
- paperwork in via certified mail, etc. A few months later, I was at the DMV,
- and found out that I had a warrant out for my arrest! My paperwork had
- fallen through the cracks.
-
-
- 16.When you see a sign "Litter removal next two miles by organization XXX",
- what exactly does XXX do?
-
- From: rog@Ingres.COM (Roger Taranto) on 18 Jul 1992:
-
- They are required by CalTrans to clean up their section of the highway at
- least quarterly. They are told to park near the highway (on some side
- street or something, not on the side of the highway), and they have to give
- CalTrans and the CHP notice a certain amount of time before they go out
- there. They are given safety instructions before they go. Finally, there
- are two types of people you see picking up litter along the side of the
- road: those with *white* hats are part of some group doing litter removal;
- those with *orange* hats are doing "community service", e.g., someone who
- got sentenced to do community service. Alternatively, sponsors can hire
- cleanup crews.
-
-
-
- 17.What are some recommended readings?
-
- (originally compiled by stevea@locus.com;
- some updates from a post by pvmason@cco.caltech.edu (Peter V. Mason) on 2
- Oct 92)
- (if you would like to maintain this list, please Reply!)
-
- Beating the Radar Rap, Dale Smith & John Tomerlin, Bonus Books, Chicago,
- 1990, $15.
- How to fight a radar-clocked speeding ticket in court. (Annotation
- summarized from Car & Driver, 2/91.) (stevea)
-
- Don't Get Taken Every Time, Remar Sutton, Penguin, city?, 1991?, ~$8?.
- This book pulls no punches in its expose' of car dealers' tactics on car
- buyers. Fictional examples offer lessons. Also a step by step guide for
- buying cars. (stevea)
-
- Fight Your Ticket, David W. Brown, Nolo Press, Berkeley, 1991, $21.95,
- 800-992-6656.
- I found it under "traffic violations" on the library index computer. Dewey
- number is 345.0247 BRO 1991, ISBN 0-87337-132-1. It's obviously specialized
- to California, but there are some pretty good general topics on how to act
- when stopped (polite, non-committal, don't make the cop's job easy by
- admitting anything). Check out all the facts you can and write down the
- entire incident for use in court. One of his claims is that the cop is
- trained to decide whether to give you a ticket before he gets out of his
- car, so fawning or apologizing will get you nowhere. Another point is to
- read the vehicle code very carefully, because each code section requires
- that several elements be established to convict you. Brown also discusses
- out-of-state tickets and lists the states that are in the Driver's License
- Compact and cross report-violations. Incidentally, Brown verifies that you
- can't be convicted of a speed violation using radar measurement unless there
- has been a survey within 5 years. (pvmason)
-
- The Safe Motorist's Guide to Speedtraps, John Tomerlin & Dru Whitledge,
- Bonus Books, Chicago, 1991, $24 "RADAR" members, $31 nonmembers,
- 800-448-5170, also available in some bookstores.
- For the 50 states: Hwy Patrol radio frequencies, fines, ticket info
- exchanges with other states, speed traps, more. (Annotation summarized
- from Car & Driver, 3/92.) (stevea)
-
- A Speeder's Guide to Avoiding Tickets, Sgt. James M. Eagan, Avon Books, New
- York, 1990, $5.
- How to avoid getting caught; what to do before, during, and after being
- pulled over. Mildly amusing and worth the price. (stevea)
-
- From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) on 28 Sep 1992:
- The Ticket Book, Rod Dornsife, ISBN 0-9601950-1-7, published by
- The Ticket Book, Inc., PO Box 1087, La Jolla, Ca 92038
- I don't know whether this is still available. I got mine when it was handed
- out to all the participants in the 1979 Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea
- Memorial Trophy Dash (the last real Cannonball).
-
- Traffic Court - How to Win, by Atty. James Glass, Allenby Press, Arcadia,
- CA, 1988. Claims to be nationwide in application. (pvmason)
-
- How to Win in Traffic Court: The Non-Lawyers Guide to Successfully
- Defending Traffic Violations, by Phil Bello, J.D., Major Market Books,
- Gibbsboro, NJ, 1989. Also claims to be nationwide. (pvmason)
-
-
- 18.What are the phone numbers of some public agencies?
-
- (Some of these apply only to particular areas of the state. The purpose of
- this information is to show the kinds of services that are available;
- consult your phone directory for the local corresponding agency. Additions
- to this list are welcome, of course.)
-
- 800-427-7623 CalTrans' highway information number: Call from a touch-tone
- phone, punch in the highway number, and a recording will tell you about
- current and scheduled closures, chain requirements, and traffic
- restrictions. As far as I can tell, it gets updated as whenever
- conditions change. Drive safely! --from Alan Hu
- <ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> on 10 Dec 92
- 800-CUT-SMOG South Coast Air Quality Management District: to report smoke-
- emitting (for longer than 10 seconds) vehicle (note license number, make,
- model, place, and time)
- 714-724-2000 CalTrans, Orange County: to report potholes
- 714-754-5334 Costa Mesa Transportation Services: to report malfunctioning
- traffic signals (note place, time, and situation)
-
-
- 19.Is window tinting legal?
-
- From: john@storcon.com (John Hunley) on 14 Dec 1992:
-
- The applicable paragraph in the CVC is 26708. It's too long to quote here
- in full, but basically what it says (disclaimer: this is my own personal
- interpretation, I'm not a lawyer, don't come running to me if you get
- nailed) is that you may not operate with "any object or material placed,
- displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or
- rear windows." Side windows to the rear of the driver are exempted
- (26708b4), as is the rear window IF you have mirrors on both left- and
- right-hand sides (26708b8). Tinted safety glass is permitted by 26708.5b.
- Therefore, the basic distinction is whether you have tinted glass or tinting
- that is stuck onto the glass. There's no mention of "factory" vs. "third
- party." A third-party tint job would be legal if it was done by replacing
- the windshield and front windows with tinted safety glass, rather than by
- sticking or painting something onto the existing glass.
-
- An interesting side note is that 26708a3 specifically includes snow and ice
- as an obstruction covered under 26708. So you can get a ticket for 26708
- for having snow or ice on your windshield or front windows, as well as
- stick-on tinting. Same violation.
-
-
- 20.Do I need chains in the mountains if I have snow tires? If so, what kind?
-
- From: Alan Hu <ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> on 10 Dec 1992:
-
- According to my memory according to a pamphlet put out by CalTrans a
- few years ago, chain requirements come in three varieties:
- 1. Chains required. Four-wheel drive or snow tires OK.
- 2. Chains required. Four-wheel drive with snow tires OK.
- 3. Chains required on all vehicles, including four-wheel drive.
- Usually you'll see #2, although I've seen #1 before. The pamphlet
- said they'll usually close the road instead of doing a #3. Tires
- marked M/S or M+S qualify as snow tires [CVC 27459].
-
- The chain requirements used to surprise my non-CA friends. If you
- haven't seen them enforced yet:
- You'll see the Chains Required sign. Lots of people will be
- pulled off the side of the road putting on chains. Various
- people wander from car to car offering to put your chains on
- for a fee (but they're not allowed to sell chains). Farther
- down the road, a checkpoint checks EVERY car that tries to continue.
- If you don't meet the chain requirement, they turn you back.
- In short, if you're driving in the Sierra, they're very good to have.
- Also, there's a toll-free CalTrans road condition number [see the
- phone numbers question in this FAQ].
-
- From: Dan Hepner <dhepner@cup.hp.com> on 9 Dec 1992:
-
- Most people could indeed drive the passes when snow covered without
- chains, IF the road were more or less clear of other cars. But in
- stop-n-go driving, common in the Sierra during a snow storm, required
- chains are what prevents total chaos.
-
- -- And, if so, what would y'all recommend??
-
- For infrequent usage, such as having the bad luck to hit snow on a
- Sierra pass during a drought, consider the cable type. For frequent
- usage, or maximum effect, use the real thing.
-
- Watch out for oversized tires, or even maximally sized tires on front
- wheel drive. The chains can extend wide enough to hit other front-end
- components. Cables mitigate this problem.
-
-
- 21.What's the net.recommendation for motorcycle insurance?
-
- George Wu <gwu@tcs.com> received the following replies to this request
- of 30 sep 1991:
- Having just purchased my first bike (Yamaha SRX 250), I now need to get
- insurance. Since it's not worth that much, I'm just going to get liability.
- CSAA (California AAA) must think motorcycles are dangerous or something,
- since they won't insure it.
-
- From: Andy Philips <abp@goedel.arc.nasa.gov>
- McGraw Hill Insurance Services: 415-780-4841
- Call Melody x3021 and tell her I sent you, she may or may not remember me.
-
- From: georgeb@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (George Barbary)
- The best deal I got on insurance was from Mcgraw-Hill. There is a startup
- fee of approximately $40. Then the premium was $86 for six months. I had
- minimum coverage. This rate is for Fresno. It may vary in the Bay area.
-
- From: chaney@leland.stanford.edu (Ken chaney)
- State Farm is reputed to have "best" rates for single males under 30. I
- heard this from a AAA agent, who gave me a quote. Don't know why they won't
- give you one. Perhaps I'm mistaken and the quote was for my car. At any
- rate, it was higher than the premium I pay State Farm (single male age 25).
-
- From: karen@brahms.AMD.COM (Karen Black)
- I've insured my SR250 (and GB500) through State Farm. When I started, I was
- paying about $250 for 100/50/100, uninsured motorist, comp and collision.
- Now I'm in State Farm Mutual and paying $160 for liability and uninsured
- motorist. I've been very happy with State Farm.
-
- From: tamecat@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Walter Dryfoos)
- I'd suggest that you give Coupin Insurance on Piedmont Avenue in Oakland a
- call. They always found me the best deal on my bikes. They're an
- independent agent, so they have lots of options.
-
- From: Kevin Tiene <tiene@apple.com>
- I am about to buy a bike (Honda Hawk GT 650) and got the same response from
- CSAA. They recommended getting insurance through the dealer.
-
- From: brad (Brad Whitaker)
- Marketing Direct (800) 729-2537 MotorCycle Insurance
-
- From: George Buzsaki <gbuzsaki@us.oracle.com>
- Mike Felder Insurance (1-800-7-CYCLES) He specializes in motorcycle
- liability insurance and is a good guy to boot.
-
- From: Donald Ng <doning@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
- I got the lowest quotes for insurance from Mike Felder in Concord. He's at
- 1-800-7-CYCLES, and gives discounts for taking the MSF courses.
-
- From: George Wu <gwu@tcs.com>
- Based on what the net recommended, I called Mike Felder and McGraw
- Insurance. For just liability, Felder quoted $157. McGraw quoted $87. I
- went with McGraw, naturally. Personally, I think the $157 is an error. I
- definitely stated I wanted liability only, but I bet that's not what he
- quoted.
-
- After I passed the MSF course, I called McGraw Insurance back to try and get
- a discount. They don't offer one for the MSF course. The only safety
- discount they offer is for "good drivers." One is a "good driver" if one
- has held an M1 license for at least three years and has zero or one points
- on his or her license.
-
-
- 22.What is a "CHiPs detector"? What's the complete story on CHP radios?
-
- from Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry):
-
- That's right. Many CHP cars are equipped with repeaters so that when the
- officers get out of their cars, their walkie-talkies need only reach the car
- instead of the base station. The CHiPs Detector (tm) takes advantage of the
- fact that the CHiPpies rarely turn off the repeater when they're IN the car.
- Note that the CHP may change this frequency at any time, although they're
- not likely to.
-
- The disadvantages are that you just know at least one CHiPpie is in the
- area, not how close, what they're doing, or whether they're after you; and
- there's no signal transmitted from the repeater when the base station is
- silent. So it's hardly foolproof.
-
- morris@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Mike Morris) posted on 12 oct 1991:
-
- The following info was compiled from several sources, none of which have
- 1st-hand knowledge of the new CHP radios, but what I have been able to put
- together seems to agree. So with that caveat, ...
-
- The older Motorola Micor mobile radios had "mobile extenders" by GE. These
- extenders were 1/4 watt transmitting units that repeated the audio from the
- 42mhz CHP mobile radio to 154.905mhz. The mobile extender time-sliced the
- channel to transmit for roughly 9/10 second and receive for 1/10 of a second
- to see if the officer was replying. Hence the "yakyakyak-chuff-yakyakyak-
- chuff-yakyakyak-chuff-..." sound of the repeated traffic on the 154mhz
- channel. There was a writeup of the single-channel time-slicing technique
- in a ham radio magazine back in the early 70s, and the technique has taken
- off tremendously. It has mostly been used to allow single-channel
- radio-to-telephone interconnects called simplex autopatches (because they
- use one channel - a "simplex" channel.)
-
- Anyway the mobile extender technique works very well, and allows the officer
- to use a relatively low power high-band hand-held to communicate with the
- dispatcher via the > 100w low-band mobile radio in his/her patrol car with
- very little trouble.
-
- A low-band hand-held would have to use a 6' antenna to be resonant, or a
- "rubber duckie" over a foot long. And the hand-held couldn't have enough RF
- power to reach the dispatch center in 99% of the state. Hence a 150mhz
- handheld (where a 18" antenna is the norm, and a "rubber duck" is < 9") and
- a mobile extender.
-
- A bit of history:
- The bid for mobile radios was won by Motorola around 10 years ago. The
- mobile extenders were an afterthought, and that bid/contract was won by GE.
- The user interface was a simple on/off switch, and the state radio shop
- people mounted it in the Motorola control head. It was a toggle switch
- labeled with a Dymo tape "repeat enable/disable" (or "extender on/off" or
- "portable on/off").
-
- The average officer soon discovered that leaving the extender switch in the
- "on" position worked just fine. They turned off the hand-held to shut off
- the "repeater", not realizing that the mobile side of the extender was still
- on. Probably 99% of the CHP officers left it on for the entire shift. With
- the almost constant activity on the CHP dispatch channels, this 154.905mhz
- vehicle transmitter behaved like a 1/4w beacon, providing between 1/4 to 1
- mile notification of the location of a patrol car.
-
- Now the spoiler: The CHP is replacing (has replaced here in my area) _all_
- of their Motorola Micor/GE extender radio packages. The new radios are all
- GE, with CHP-designed control groups. (The state Red Cross got 90% of the
- radios for the 47.42 - 47.62 freqs. A few of them went to other state
- agencies, like the Office of Emergency Services). The 1991 Southern
- California edition of the "Police Call" frequency listing has a nice writeup
- on the CHP-designed control groups, as I remember. They even got 90% of it
- right.
-
- The new design forces the officers to disable the extender when they are in
- the patrol car. Listening to 154.905 while mobile now just tells you where
- a CHP car is _stopped_, with the officer out of the car, as opposed to
- before when it would tell you where a stopped or a moving one was...
-
- Here is the frequency map of the CHP hand-helds as I have it.
-
- F1: 154.905 with the primary tone. (NOTE 1)
- F2: same 1st alternate tone
- F3: same 2nd alternate tone
- F4: 154.920 (CLEMARS 1) - Base side of CLEMARS
- F5: 154.935 (CLEMARS 2) - Mobile/Portable CLEMARS
- F6: 156.075 (CALCORD) (NOTE 2)
- F7: 155.475 (CLEMARS 3 / NALEMARS) (NOTE 3)
-
- Abbreviations: CLEMARS: California Law Enforcement Mutual Radio System.
- CALCORD: California Coordination - a statewide "on-scene"
- channel
- NALEMARS: National Law Enforcement.... A federal version
- of CLEMARS.
-
- Note 1: With the old hand-helds (2 freqs - 154.905 and 154.920) there was no
- way that two units from different areas (i.e. different dispatch
- frequencies) could have their extenders operational at an out-of-vehicle
- scene -- when an officer transmitted, both mobiles would be brought up.
-
- the remainder of Note 1 explanation is from the post of scotto@ipars.cts.com
- (Scott O'Connell) on 14 oct 1991:
-
- The receiver of the extender has an attenuator making a low wattage HT
- usable for only a short distance (typically less than 50yds). To make sure
- there is only one extender being used within close proximity each vehicle
- extender sends a short burst tone to see if others are active. If it is
- within range of another active extender it doesn't turn on at all. The HT
- is then using the other vehicle radio (the one that was already turned on).
-
- Now for the PL explanation. There are three channels on CHP HT's that
- relate directly to the extender. Channel 1 (also called PP or Person to
- Person) does not transmit any tone nor does it decode. It is meant for HT
- to HT use. Channel 2 has a subaudible tone on transmit allowing the officer
- to talk to dispatch. (ie, transmits on the input freq of the lowband radio)
- Channel 3 has a different subaudible tone on transmit allowing the officer
- to talk to other officers. (ie, transmits on the output of the lowband
- radio) All channels are carrier squelch on the receive so that PP can be
- heard regardless of other traffic.
-
- I hope this clears up why there are three 154.905 channels on the HT's.
-
- Note 2: 156.075 is also the Ship TX side of Marine channel 61 (paired with
- 160.675 Ship RX). I understand some re-thinking of the use of this
- frequency is going on. It seems to be pretty useless in coastal areas.
-
- Note 3: 155.475 I have been told that this channel has multiple PL tones. I
- have also been told that the CHP handheld is 10 freq - capable. Maybe this
- channel has multiple appearances like F1-F2-F3. More info is needed.
-
- Another rehash of the low band channels is in the works since LA County
- Sheriffs is moving to 800 or 900 mhz. The CHP has acquired all of the 39mhz
- LASO channels and is slowly moving to change all of the low band dispatch
- operation to full repeat. My sources do not know if the mobiles will be
- transmitting on 39mhz and listening on 42mhz or vice versa. It does not
- make much difference to the GE mobiles since they cover the full 30-50 mhz
- just fine (as opposed to the old Micors that covered 42mhz to 50mhz only.
- Does anybody have any info?
-
-
- 23.But aren't most citizens prohibited from using mobile radio scanners?
-
- from Bob Parnass, AJ9S <parnass@ihlpy.att.com> on 4 nov 91:
-
- Anyone interested in US state and federal laws relating to radio monitoring
- should check out Frank Terranella's "Listener's Lawbook." It is available
- for $9.95 (plus $2 UPS) from Grove Enterprises, 140 Dog Branch Road,
- Brasstown, NC 28902.
-
- I am not an attorney, but I have a 1989 issue of Frank's earlier work,
- "ANARC Guide to US Monitoring Laws," and will summarize from that book.
- California monitoring laws may have changed, but here are the laws of
- interest to Californians as they were in 1989:
-
- - Penal Code s 632.5 makes it a crime to maliciously monitor cellular radio
- telephone calls.
-
- - Penal Code s 635 outlaws the manufacture, sale, and possession of devices
- primarily or exclusively designed or intended for eavesdropping on
- cellular phones.
-
- - Penal Code s 636.5 makes it illegal to divulge any police radio service
- communication you hear on your radio to a criminal or to assist in the
- commission of a crime or help a criminal evade the law.
-
- In addition, Californians are subject to the same federal monitoring laws as
- other Americans. The most important one to remember is the Electronic
- Communication Privacy Act of 1986 which makes it a crime to listen to
- cellular or mobile radio telephones or common carrier paging, and outlaws
- descramblers.
-
- Section 705 of the Communications Act of 1934 makes it illegal to divulge
- the contents of what you hear on your radio to others unless the
- conversation was on ham radio or the citizens' band.
-