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üINTERVIEWתITHפOBזUBBARD Çbyפichardיarsmakers
In⌠heטanuariΘssue∩f üSTמEWSÇ,חΦad⌠heΦonour∩fΘnterviewing
Mr.⇩Jeffלinter,⇩distintiveσntertainment≤oftware⇩programmer.
This⌠ime,⇩IΦaveΦad⌠heΦonour∩fΘnterviewing≤omeoneσqually
distintive¡לr.⇩Robזubbard.⇩IΓet⌠hatβll¿ex-)בommodoreÀ4
freaks⇩really⇩went⇩bananas≈hen⌠heyΦeard⇩that⇩Rob⇩started
programmingµor⌠heצTβs≈ell¡חΣid,⇩anyway.⇩Butϕost≡eople
that⇩had∩therπomputersΓefore¿especially⇩Spectrum,⇩BBC,⇩or
maybe∈oπomputerβtβll)≈ill∈ow∈ot±uiteδnow≈hoח'm⌠alking
about.⇩Well,פobזubbard≈as∩ne∩f⌠he∮eadingϕusic≈riters∩n
theבommodoreÀ4¿mainly∩n⌠hatϕachine,⇩butΦeΦasβlso≈orked
on⇩Schneider,⇩Amstradβnd⌠heIJtariןL≤eries).⇩It⇩all⇩began
about⌠wo∩dd∙earsβgo.דspecially∩n⌠heבommodoreÀ4,≈ithΘts
fabulousצID≤oundchip,⇩it÷eryµastΓecameβ⌠rend⌠o∮etτames
beβccompaniedΓyπompleteϕusicalπompositions.⇩Robזubbard≈as
one∩f⌠heµirst≡eopleΣoing⌠his,⇩andΦeΓecame≈ellδnown⇩by
theϕusicµromוremlinוraphics'óThing∩nβצpring".⇩His⇩sound
was⇩veryσasy⌠o≥ecognize,⇩with÷ery≈ellΣone⇩bass-and⇩drum
lines.צoon,≤ome∩ther≡rogrammers≤tartedΣoing⌠hings∮ikeΦim
on⇩the⇩'64βs≈ell.⇩TheΓest∩f⌠hem⇩undoubtedly⇩was⇩Martin
Galway,⇩whoΦad⌠his÷eryΣistinctiveºheavy'≤ound∩f⇩his.⇩He
hasΣoneϕusicµor⇩"Hyperצports",⇩"Rambo",⇩"Yie-Arיung⇩Fu",
"Comic⇩Bakery"βndóParallax"βs≈ellβsϕany∩ther⇩games.⇩But
David⇩Whittaker⇩andאenגaglishβlsoΓegan≈orking∩n⇩the⇩'64
afterβ⌠ime,⇩whichβroused±uite≤omeπompetition.⇩All∩f⌠hem
started⇩programmingϕoreΣifficultϕusic,⇩using⇩more⇩advanced
soundσffects,σtc.
But⇩I'm≤trayingµromϕy≤ubject,⇩whichΘsפob⇩Hubbard.⇩After
"Thing∩nβצpring",Φe≤tarted≡rogramming≈ithΦigh±uantityβs
well⇩as⇩quality.⇩Some∩fΦisΓest⇩musical⇩compositions⇩were
"Monty∩n⌠heפun",⇩"Master∩fלagic"βndóCrazyבomets".חn⌠he
winter⇩of⇩'85/'86⇩I⇩wroteβ⇩letter⇩to⇩him,⇩requesting⇩an
interview⇩forβ∮ocal⌡sergroupΦereΘnזelmondπalled⇩Triorex.
Was⇩I⇩lucky:⇩He⇩agreedβnd≤entϕeΓackβ⇩letter⇩with⇩very
interestingβnswers.⇩Due⌠o⌠he⌡sergroupΘtself,⇩theΘnterview
could⇩not⇩be⇩published⇩earlier⇩than⇩spring⇩1986,⇨but⇩it
definately≈asβΦit.
Whenהrankβndϕyself≤old∩urº64s,⇩in⌠he≤pring∩fõ986,⇩the
only⇩thing⇩Iδnewח≈asτoing⌠oϕiss≈as⌠he⇩music⇩from⇩Rob
Hubbardβs≈ellβs⌠hatµromלartinוalway.⇩Onϕanyβn⇩occasion
people⇩wouldµindϕe∈ear⌠oβבommodoreÀ4∩nβπomputer⇩club,
leaving⇩my⇩STΓehind≥unning≤omeϕonochromeΣemo,⇩so⇩that⇩I
could⇩listen⌠o⌠heϕusic⌠hereβnd⌠hinkΓackβbout⌠hose⇩good
old⌠imes.⇩Whenח∩nceΦeard⌠heóThrust"ϕusic¿doneΓyפob),ח
started≥egretting⌠heµact⌠hatח≤oldϕyÀ4.קheצT≈asβτreat
computer,⇩but⇩there≤till≈asβ∮ack∩fτood≤oftware⇩and⇩the
musicחΦeard≈as≥eallyβwfulΘnπomparison⌠o⌠heº64≤tuff.⇩I
just⇩had⌠oτetϕyבommodoreÀ4Γack,⇩onlyΘfΘt≈as⇩just⇩for
that⇩goddamnµantasticϕusic!⇩RobΩust≈ent∩nβnd⇩on,⇩and⇩I
slowly⇩became⇩convinced⌠hatחΦad⌠oΦaveβº64⇩again⇩-⇩the
musicalπompositionµrom⌠heϕore≥ecentτamesóKnuckle⇩Buster",
"Delta"⇩and⇩"Sanxion"ΩustΣroveϕe∩ut∩f⇩my⇩bleedin'⇩mind,
especially≈hen∩ne≈as⌡sed⌠o⌠heצT'sóMusicצtudio"≤tuff.
More⌠han∩nceח≈roteβ∮etter⌠oפob,⇩requesting¿no,⇩I⌠hink
it≈asϕore∮ikeºbegging')Φim⌠o≤tart≡rogramming∩n⌠heצT.ח
knewΦeΦadΓeenΣesigningβnIJmstrad≤ound≥outine,⇩which⇩used
a⇩soundchipπompatible⌠o⌠he∩neΘn⌠heצT.⇩ButϕyΦopes⇩sank
rashly≈henחΦeardΦeΦadΓeen≈ritingβΣemoµor⌠heIJmiga.מow
we⇩would∈everΦaveβπhance⌠o∮isten⌠oפobזubbard⇩music⇩on
the⇩ST.⇩The⇩Amiga⇩justΦadϕuch⇩better⇩sound⇩capabilities.
Goodbye⇩good⇩music.⇩I⇩justΦad⌠oΓe⇩satisfied⇩with⇩"Music
Studio"≈ithΘts÷ery∮imitedπapabilities.
Suddenly⇩I⇩got⇩"Extensor",⇩aτame⌠hat⇩contained⇩very⇩well
programmed⇩sound,⇩writtenΓyזolgerוehrmann.⇩WasΘt⇩possible
afterβll?⇩Could∩ur⌠rashy≤oundchip≡roduceτood±ualityϕusic
still?⇩It⇩seemed≤o,⇩andΘtΣidn't⌠ake∮ongΓefore⇩a⇩second
Holgerוehrmannπomposition≈as∮aunchedµor⌠heצT,πontainedΘn
his⇩gameóHollywoodסoker".⇩IΘmmediately≡icked⌡p⇩my⇩pencil
againβnd≈rote⌠oלr.⇩Hubbard,⇩onceβgainβskingΦim⌠o≤witch
to⌠heצT¿in≈hichחϕentionedזolger's≡roceedings).⇩ButΦopes
sank∮owerβnd∮ower.לy≤upplication≈asn'tσvenβnsweredβndϕy
hopes⇩weren't≥aised⌡ntilחΦeard≤omeµamiliarϕusic⇩sounding
fromβnצT≤ystem∩nβ⌡sergroupΘnצpaubeek.....Wasn't⌠hat...??
Yes!?⇩I⇩immediately≥an⌠o⌠heπomputerח⌠hought⌠o⇩hear⇩the
music⇩on,⇩and∩nϕy≈ayΘnvalidizised≤everalΘnnocent⇩people.
Yes!⇩I⇩could⇩faintly≤ee⌠he≤entenceóMusicΓy⇩Rob⇩Hubbard"
scrolling⇩by⇩underβ∈ice⇩picture,⇩accompanied⇩by⇩fantastic
music!⇩Rob⇩Hubbard⇩has⇩finallyΣoneΘt!⇩Was⇩it⇩due⇩to⇩my
beggings?⇩It≥eallyΣoesn'tϕatter.⇩But⌠heϕostΘmportantµact
was⇩thatΦe≈as∈ow≡rogramming∩n⌠heצT.⇩This≥eally≡ut⇩new
hartΘntoϕeβndβsחτotΦome,⇩I≡icked⌡p≡encilβnd≡aperβnd
wrote⌠oΦimβgain.
After⇩calling⇩him⇩as≈ell¿many⌠imes;⇩I⇩suppose⇩he'll⇩now
probably⇩thinkóThere's⌠hatδidβgain"βs≤oonβsΦe⇩hears⇩my
name⇩on⌠he∩therσnd∩f⌠he∮ine),⇩it⌠urned∩ut⌠hat⇩he⇩was
even≡lanning⌠o≡rogram≤omeϕore≡rojects∩n⌠heצT.⇩There≈as
Jupiterסrobe¿withβn∩riginalπomposition)βnd∮ater⇩"Thrust".
Being⌠heσditor∩f üSTמEWSÇ,חΘmmediately⌠hought∩f⌠heΘdea∩f
interviewing⇩himβgain,⇩whichחΦave∈ow⇩done.⇩In⇩fact,⇩the
interviewΘs±uite⌠he≤ameβs⌠he∩neחΣidµorקriorex∩ver∩ne
yearβgo,⇩butϕore⌡p-to-dateβndϕore≤pecified⌠o⌠heצT.⇩The
answersπameΘnβΓit⌠oo∮ate¿maybeΣue⌠o⌠heדnglish⇩customs
people⇩that⇩are⇩currently⇩striking)⌠o⇩be⇩included⇩in⇩the
previousΘssue∩f üSTמEWSÇ,⇩but∈owΘt'sΦereβnd∙ou'llΓe⇩able
to≥eadΘt!
Q:⇩Wellלr.⇩Hubbard,∮et's≤tart≥ight∩ff≈ith∙our≡rofession
andβge.תhatβre⌠hey?
A:⇩Well,⇩I'm⇩31βndחβmβϕusic≡rogrammer⇩and⇩professional
musician.
Q:⇩Which≤choolsΣid∙ou÷isit?⇩Which≤ubjectsΣid∙ou∮ike⇩or
hate?
A:ח≈ent⌠o≤choolΘnזull¿myΦome⌠own)βndτotϕyóO"βndóA"
levels.⇩I⇩also⇩went⌠oϕusic≤choolµor⇩3⇩years.⇩I⇩started
learning⌠he≡ianoβt⌠heβge∩fÃ.ח∮ikedϕaths,≡hysics,ϕusic
andΦatedΦistory,σconomicsβndϕetalwork.
Q:⇩WhenΣid∙ouΓuy⌠heÀ4?⇩Do∙ou⌡se∩rΦaveβccess⌠o⇩other
computersβs≈ell?
A:חΓought⌠heº64βboutœ∙earsβgo¿myµirstπomputer).חβlso
have⌠heÀ128IJmstradµor≈hichחΦaveΣevelopedβϕusic≥outine.
Iβlso≈ork∩n⌠heIJtariצT≈hichחΓought≤omewhereβroundIJpril
orלay∩f⌠his∙ear¿Steveאakµromלicrodeal≥eallyτotϕe⌠oΣo
this)βndחΦaveβlsoϕade≤ome≤ourceϕaterialµor⌠heIJmiga.
Q:⇩WhyΦave∙ou≤pecializedΘn≡rogrammingϕusic?⇩Have∙ouσver
doneβnythingσlse?
A:⇩I≤tarted∩utΓy≈ritingσducationalϕusic≤oftware,⇩butτot
noΘnterestµromβnyπompanies.⇩Asח⌠houghtϕostϕusicΘnτames
was⇩very⇩badחΣecided⌠o≡rogramϕusic.⇩Eventually⇩I⇩got⇩a
couple∩fπompaniesΘnterested≈hich∮ed⌠oóConfuzion",⇩"Action
Biker"βndóThing∩nβצpring"Γack∩n⌠heº64.
Q:⇩Which≡rogramΣo∙ou⌡se⌠o≈rite∙ourϕusic?גo∙ouβlso⌡se
hardwareβdd-ons∩r≤omething∩f⌠heδind?
A:מo,ח⌡se∈oΦardwareβdd∩ns.חπompose∩nβδeyboard¿synth)
and⌠ypeΣataΘnto⌠heβctual≥outine⌠hat≡lays⌠heϕusic.
Q:זowΣo∙ou≡rogramϕusic?
A:⇩I⌡seβ≤ourceµile≈hichחσdit⌠oπreate≤oundsβnd⇩music.
ThisΘs⌠henβssembled⌠oϕachine∮anguageβnd⌠ested.⇩I≈ork∩n
aØΓar≡hrase⌡ntilΘtΘs≥ightβnd⌠henβddβnotherØΓars⇩and
graduallyµinish⌠heπomposition.חtΘs⌠hen⌠ypedΘnto⌠heϕusic
program⇩that⌡ses⌠he≥asterΘnterrupt∩n⌠heº64⇩and⇩programs⇩
are⇩savedΘn∩neπhunk∩fϕemory.⇩Butצteveאak¿the⇩Microdeal
man)Φasτot≤ome∩fϕy≤ourceπode,⇩soΦeπan≡ut≡ieces∩f⇩it
hereβnd⌠hereΘnϕemory.⇩On⌠heצT,חσither⌡se⌠heשBL∩r⌠he
MFP⇩Timer⇩interrupt.⇩I⇩do⇩not⇩write⇩the⇩actual⇩interrupt
routine,⇩as⌠heτame≡rogrammerΣoes⌠hat.זeβlsoΣecides≈here
inϕemoryΦe≈ants⌠heϕusic≡rogram.חϕake≤ure⌠hatΘtΘs÷ery
simpleµorΦim⌠oºtie'ϕyϕusicΘntoΦisτame≡rogram.
Q:⇩HowϕanyΦoursΦave∙ou≤pent≡rogramming∩nσ.g.óThing∩nβ
Spring",⇩"Monty∩n⌠heפun",⇩"Humanפace"βndóCommando"∩n⌠he
'64,βndóGoldrunner",óJupiterסrobe"βndóThrust"∩n⌠heצT?
A:⇩"Thing⇩on⇩aצpring"⌠ookϕe⌠wo≈eeks¿odd⇩days⇩working),
"Monty"⌠ookϕe⌠hree≈eeks,⇩"Humanפace"∮asted⌠wo≈eeks⇩and,
finally,⇨"Commando"⇩took⇩me⇩24⇩hours⇩(without⇩a⇨break).
Programming⇩the⇩ST⇩is±uiteβΦazard≤ometimes⇩-⇩bombs⇩keep
flying⇩over∙our≤creenβll⌠he⌠imeΘf∙ouΣo≤omething⇩wrong.
But,⇩however,⇩"Goldrunner"⇩took⇩me⇩onlyβ⇩couple⇩of⇩days,
"Jupiterסrobe"⌠ookœΣays⌠o≈rite¿an∩riginalπomposition,≤o
notµrom⌠heº64)βndóThrust"⌠ookŒΣays.
Q:⇩Do∙ouΘmprovise≈hen≈riting∙ourϕusic,∩rΣo∙ou⌡se≤heet
music⌠oπompose∙our≤oundtracks?
A:⇩All⇩original⇩compositions.⇩I≈ould∈ever⌡se⇩sheet⇩music
unlessΘt≈asβπlassical≡iece.
Q:תhichΘs⌠heϕostΣifficult≡iece∩fϕusic∙ouσverϕade?
A:⇩That⇩was⇩"Humanפace"∩n⌠heº64¿I∩nly⌡sedØ⇩voices⇩in
stead∩f⌠hree).
Q:תhich≤oundtrackΣo∙ouµind⌠he≈orstΣone?
A:קhat'llΓeóConfuzion"!
Q:⇩Which⇩sound≡rogrammerΣo∙ou⌠hinkΘs⌠heΓest∩n⌠he⇩'64?
And∩n⌠heצT?
A:לartinוalwayΘs⌠heΓest∩n⌠heº64¿wellδnownµromóRambo",
"Hyperצports",⇩"Parallax",óComicאakery"βndóYie-arיungהu",
ED),⇩andגaveתhittakerΘs⌠heΓest∩n⌠heצT.⇩IΦaveΦeard∙ou
telling⇩something⇩aboutזolgerוehrmannΓut⇩I⇩really⇩haven't
heardβny∩fΦis⌠unes∩n⌠heצT.
Q:חs⌠hereπompetitionΓetweenϕusic≡rogrammers?
A:⇩No!⇩E.g.לartin∩nly≈orksµorנceanβndח≈ould∈everτo⌠o
them⇩to∩ffer⌠hemβ≤ong.⇩And∩n⌠heצTחβmτoodµriend⇩with
Dave;≈eΣoµavoursµorσach∩ther.
Q:תhich≡ieces∩fϕusicβre∙ouπurrentlyϕakingµor⌠heצT?
A:⇩"Thrust"βndóJupiterסrobe"βreΩustµinished,⇩forהirebird
andלicrodeal≥espectively.⇩I≈illΣoóWarhawk"µorהirebird⇩as
well.
Q:⇩How⇩do∙ou≡ersuade≤oftwareπompanies⌠o⌡se∙ourϕusic⇩in
their⇩games?⇩Do⇩you⇩spreadóRobזubbard⇩Music⇩Samplers"⇩or
something∩f⌠heδind?
A:⇩In⇩the⇩earlyΣaysח⌡sed⌠o≤endΣemo-disks⌠o⌠ry⇩to⇩get
work.⇩NowadaysחΣo∈ot≤endΣemos⌠oπompanies,βs⌠hey⌡sually
telephoneϕeΘf⌠hey≈antϕe⌠oΣoβϕusic≡rogram.
Q:זow≈ere∙ouºdiscovered'βndΓy≈hom?
A:⇩It⇩took⇩about⇩6ϕonthsΓeforeβnyone≈ould⇩let⇩me⇩do⇩a
soundtrack⇩forβτame.⇩Eventually,⇩"Microסrojects"¿a⇩2⇩man
programming⌠eam)∮etϕeΣoóThing"βndלastertronicsβlso∮etϕe
doóActionאiker".
Q:⇩Do⇩you≡lay∩therϕusicalΘnstrumentsΓesides⌠he≡iano⇩you
mentionedσarlier?
A:חβlso≡layδeyboards¿synths),µlute,≤axophoneβndτuitar.
Q:גo∙ouσver∮isten⌠o≡opularϕusic?חf≤o,≈hichΓandsΣo∙ou
specifically∮ike?
A:⇩I∮istenβ∮ot⌠oϕodern≡opΓands.⇩I∮ikeמewנrder,⇩Tears
forהears,⇩Heuyכewisβndקheמewsβndβµew∩thers.חβlso∮ike
Chickבorea,⇩Breckerאrothers,⇩Larry⇩Carlton,⇩Mozart,⇩Ravel,
Michealקippet,ךellowלagicנrchestra,σtc.
Q:תhatΣo∙ou⌠hink∩f⌠heϕusicalπapabilities∩f⌠heצT?
A:⇩I⌠hink⌠heµuture∩f≤ounds∩n⌠heצT∮iesΘn⌠he⇩digitized
field.ח⌠riedβ≈aveformσditor≡rogram¿only≤imple)≈hich⌠ook
about⇩an⇩hour⇩to≈riteΓutחπouldn'tτetΘt⇩to⇩do⇩anything
useful.⇩If⇩and⇩when⇩Iτet⌠imeח≈ill⌠ryΘt⇩again⇩(at⇩the
moment,⇩DaveΘsβlso≈orking≈ith≤imilar⌠echniques),⇩although
it⌡ses∈earlyβll⌠he≡rocessor⌠ime⌠oΣoΘt.תaveformπreation
usingβdditive⌠echniques≤houldβllow⌠rue≡olyphonic⇩inetrvals
on∩neπhannel⌡singµrequency≥atios.⇩Youϕight÷ery≤oon⇩hear
someΣamnτoodϕusic∩n⌠heצT;⇩withβΓit∩f∮uck⌠heצT⇩might
soundβlmostβsτoodβs⌠heIJmiga!
Q:תhatΣo∙ou⌠hink∩f⌠heIJmiga<>ST≤yndrome?
A:⇩IΣon't≈ant⌠oβrgueβbout⌠heIJmiga<>ST≤yndrome,βsΘtβll
depends∩n∩ne⌠hing∩nly¡Θ.e.⇩whatΣo∙ou≈ant⌠o⌡seΘtµor!
Documentation⇩for⇩theIJmiga,⇩however,⇩is÷ery⇩poor⇩and⇩the
machineΘs÷eryΘnaccesibleπompared⌠o⌠heצT.⇩TheΦardware⇩of
the⇩AmigaΘs≤uperior⌠o⌠heצT,⇩but⌠heIJmigaנSβnd⇩DOS⇩are
both÷eryΓadβndµilled≈ithΓugs.
I⇩think⌠heµuture∩f⌠heצTΘs÷eryτoodβs⌠hereβreβ∮ot⇩of
STsβround∈owβnd∙ouπanΓet∙our∮ife⌠he≡rice∩f⌠heצT≈ill
fall≈hen⌠heIJmigaŒ00≤tarts≤elling≈ell.חΣon't⌠hink⌠heצT
isτoing⌠oΣoβnyΓetterΘn⌠heצtatesβsϕost≡eople⌠here⇩are
alreadyΓuyingIJmigasΘnstead∩fצTs.⇩Also≈atch∩utµor⌠he∈ew
AcornפISCϕachine¡Θtϕight≈ell∩ut≡erform⌠heIJmiga!
Q:⇩Now⇩my∮ast±uestion:⇩WhatΘs∙our∩pinion⇩about⇩software
piracy?
A:⇩Large≤cale≡iracyΘs⌠heתORST⌠hing⌠hatπouldΣeastroy⌠he
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