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- Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 20 Mar 91 Volume 91 : Issue 155
-
- Today's Topics:
- 40 folder problem
- GCR problem
- HELP!!! PLEASE!!!
- Looking for good disk utilities
- lynx
- MiNT and GCC setup
- mintbash
- more on mtools
- New standards for MiNT programs?
- SM124 Monochrome monitor problem (an another one).
- ST Books & Software for sale
- The Jack Tramiel Memorial Library
- The MicroSoft Mouse Rap
- TT (vapor)
- Wanted Atari 1040ST
- Where is the rest of ana systems modula-2? (3 msgs)
- WOW!!!!
-
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-
- Date: 19 Mar 91 21:34:00 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!netcom!rcb@ar
- izona.edu (Roy Bixler)
- Subject: 40 folder problem
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <051358.839@timbuk.cray.com> fields@uktriton.cray.com (Mike Fields)
- writes:
- >I have a 4Meg STe with a 40M FA.ST Hard drive, with about 100 folders.
- >Occasionally
- >files get corrupted, different files get into the middle of files..It
- >looks very much
- >like the problems when, with my 1040, I encountered the 40 folder
- >problem.
- >
- >I have tried with foldr150.prg but that didn't seem to change anything,
- >but it could
- >be because the problem has already happened and until I ZERO the
- >partition it
- >will continue regardless.
- >
- >Anybody any ideas ??
-
- It could also be the 'flakey DMA' problem. I had this problem when I
- got my original STe and solved it by trading it in for another one.
-
- >
- >Thanks
- >Mike Fields
- >fields@uk.cray.com
-
-
- --
- Roy Bixler
- rcb@netcom.com -or- (UUCP) uunet!apple!netcom!rcb
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Mar 91 18:37:34 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!thunder.mcrcim.mcg
- ill.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!IRO.UMontreal.CA!matrox!uvm-gen!kira!news@arizona.e
- du (Robert B. Pegram)
- Subject: GCR problem
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- From article <68295@brunix.UUCP>, by mjv@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale):
- > In article <1991Mar8.193900.3518@uvm.edu> pegram@kira.UUCP (Robert B.
- > Pegram) writes:
- > [stuff about mouse and keyboard freezing]
-
- > Before you go about replacing hardware, I'd recommend at least doing
- > a virus check with the latest version of Disinfectant (2.4 if I'm not
- > mistaken). Mouse freezes are the symptoms of some Mac viruses.
-
- > It can't hurt!
-
- > Marshall
-
- Thanks, but that problem is unlikely, if possible 8-). In any case, the
- mouse and keyboard problems have now appeared in regular ST mode. I
- got a new Ikbd processor from Best Electronics, but that hasn't
- helped. A reset *always* fixes things for a while, so I rather doubt
- that the keyboard connection is intermittent, it's hard to check!
- I am now gearing up to figure out which 6850 ACIA to remove and
- replace (I *did* get one from Best 8-). If I foul things up, it's a
- new STE for me 8-(). At least my trial run for desoldering, replacing
- the connector in my mouse, went well. I recommend the Radio Schnook
- desoldering iron 8-).
- A couple of interesting things came from my talks to the Best
- Electronics guy. One is that the Mega keyboard is almost a drop in
- fit for the original (external PS and floppies) 520ST, (same large
- connector) and is only a little more expensive to buy ($110 vs $90
- 8-). The other interesting thing is that there are two versions of
- the keyboard processor. I have an '85 ST, but luckily it used the
- later processor -002. If yours is a -001 version, you need a whole new
- keyboard if it goes bad (I _hope_ that version was only on the
- developer 520s, this is, after all, ancient history 8-).
-
- By the way, sorry if I have seemed unresponsive, but we lost our news
- feed here for most of last week 8-(.
-
- ciao,
- Bob Pegram
-
- pegram@griffin.uvm.edu
- or
- !uvm-gen!pegram
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 18 Mar 91 01:23:00 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!kth.se!
- sunic!mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mwowm!mathew@arizona.edu (mathew)
- Subject: HELP!!! PLEASE!!!
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In <95276@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>, jeffery d thompson writes:
- > When I play games on my ST I use my T.V. because of the much larger screen.
- >Some of the games I bought are from england and they run at a different
- >frequency, causing the screen to flip. The problem is that my T.V. doesn't
- >have a manual vertical hold, and since the T.V. doesn't adjust enough by
- >itself it will always flip. So my question is, is there a hardware hookup that
- >will adjust the frequency or maybe a "good" virus that would disable the
- >programs ability to change the frequency available.
-
- That wouldn't help. It would probably break the program, especially if the
- program in question was an arcade game.
-
- > Also, an explanation of
- >why the programs change the frequency in the first place would be appreciated.
-
- European TVs work at 50 Hz. We make up for the fewer frames per second by
- having more vertical resolution and properly-encoded colours. One of the
- things which amazed me about US TV on visiting the US was that it really was
- as bad as it looks over here. I had always assumed that it looked all
- blurry and smeared because of some defect in the NTSC->PAL conversion.
- It really spoilt "Cheers" when they went from film to grotty US video.
-
- The only solution to your problem is to get a better TV, I'm afraid. My Sony
- works at either 50 or 60 Hz. I gather that Atari monitors work at either
- speed, as well... and of course, a multisync will handle it with no trouble.
-
-
- mathew
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 02:36:14 GMT
- From: uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@nyu.arpa (Gerald Greenberg)
- Subject: Looking for good disk utilities
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- I'm looking for a program (or a set of programs) that will do
- things like, backup a hard disk, check for corrupted and
- deleted files (and recover them), optimize a hard disk, move
- files around on a hard disk, etc...something(s) along the
- lines of Norton Utilities, SUM Utilities, PC/Mac Tools, etc
- for other computers. The thing is: I'm running Spectre,
- ATSpeed, and of course ST...so, I'd prefer if the backup could
- backup all partitions. I also want to be able to move DOS
- files around on my msdos partition, in the event something
- gets screwed up there (which seems to have happened frequently
- in the past, especially with disk caches for Windows 3).
- Any comments (good or bad) about programs will be appreciated.
- --Gerry
- ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 00:41:26 GMT
- From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!psurge@arizona.edu (Troy Carpenter)
- Subject: lynx
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <91077.233406SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>, SML108@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott the
- Great) writes:
- >
- > Atari Lynx $99/$149 Color, 1-8-??? players
- ~~~
- I have been told that Toys-R-Us sells the original package that sold for $179
- at the $99 price, but not here in Austin. Every Lynx I have looked at is still
- priced $179, and I will not buy one at that price (even if it is a good deal
- at that price anyway). Maybe I could work out some deal where someone can get
- it at the $99 price and ship it to me and I'll pay him/her back?
-
-
- Troy Carpenter
- Department of Computer Sciences
- THE University of Texas, Austin
- psurge@cs.utexas.edu
-
- "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor
-
- *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Mar 91 17:11:54 GMT
- From: uvaarpa!hub!bayers@mcnc.org (brian ayers)
- Subject: MiNT and GCC setup
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- OK, I'm sure that this has been asked many times before, but with
- all of the recent revisions to GCC (1.39) and MiNT (?) I'm not
- quite sure what files I need to set up a MiNT/GCC workstation.
- What I'm looking to be able to do is spend as little time as possible
- on our minicomputer here at JMU to do programming for UNIX multitasking.
- I've heard that the MiNT libraries are relatively consistent with the
- libraries on a UNIX system.
-
- So to summarize, what files should I pull from atari.archive in order
- to set up a functional MiNT/GCC workstation? If I get emailed the
- solution, I will post it for everyone else.
-
- JT
-
- Internet: bayers@hub.cs.jmu.edu
- Bitnet: help_jt@jmuvax1
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 00:05:16 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.ed
- u!quiche!depeche@arizona.edu (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit)
- Subject: mintbash
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- I'm having trouble getting bash set up on my st using mint...
- If you are using it, could you please send me your bash.rc and all
- your other .rc files so I can look at them?
-
- --
- |S. Alan Ezust : McGill University School of Computer Science |
- |depeche@cs.mcgill.ca : Montreal, Quebec, Canada |
- |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Mar 91 02:39:04 GMT
- From:
- ubc-cs!alberta!mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA!Nicole_T._Jaegermann@beaver.cs.washington.ed
- u (Nicole T. Jaegermann)
- Subject: more on mtools
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- From my experience Mtools are not limited to Sun's only. With
- small changes in configuration I brought up these programs on
- DECstation as well - under Ultrix. I am convinced that this can
- be done on other computers as well.
-
- Michal Jaegermann
- ntomczak@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Mar 91 16:07:18 GMT
- From:
- noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.m
- ps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!utdoe!david@ariz
- ona.edu (David Megginson)
- Subject: New standards for MiNT programs?
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In <1991Mar19.105139.28070@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, Howard Chu writes:
- > In article <1991Mar19.150319.25547@qut.edu.au> lunnon@qut.edu.au writes:
- > >Huh, why not use dirent ??? This seems reasonably capable and is portable
- > >to boot ???
- >
- > I'd agree, we should try to hide the Fsfirst/Fsnext layer completely and
- > use the Unix *dir routines instead. (This seems reasonable, given MiNT's
- > apparent intent to provide as much BSD functionality as possible...)
- > --
-
- Of course, the problem is that MiNT is still stuck with TOS, and TOS
- does not support device drivers, so the drivers (for TOS and Minix)
- are hard-coded into MiNT. I don't know a lot about the low-level mechanics
- of Unix, but I think that directories are special files rather than
- FAT entries, hence the different way of dealing with them (the library
- emulates these directory files by caching return values from Fsfirst()/
- Fsnext()). I'm sure that others here can add to this...
-
-
- David
-
-
-
- --
- ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
- / David Megginson david@doe.utoronto.ca /
- / Centre for Medieval Studies meggin@vm.epas.utoronto.ca /
- ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 18 Mar 91 22:41:59 GMT
- From: hpda!hpcuhb!hpindda!goo@hplabs.hp.com (Michael Goo)
- Subject: SM124 Monochrome monitor problem (an another one).
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- Just another data point. My new monochrome monitor does this too, though not
- to that extreme. Weird. (Hope it doesn't get any worse :-( )
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 03:41:30 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!snito
- r!nixtdc!jhm@arizona.edu (John H. McMullen)
- Subject: ST Books & Software for sale
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- Due to a severe storage space-and-money shortage, I would like to sell
- the items listed below.
- Each purchase has a $5 postage and handling charge added (unless you
- live in Toronto), and lower prices for bundles of items can be arranged.
- E-mail or leave a message on my home machine (416) 604-0310. (E-mail can
- be flaky for UUCP sites.)
-
- ST Books:
-
- Learning C Programming Graphics on the Compute!
- Amiga and Atari ST M. Sugiyama & C. Metcalf $15
- Atari ST Machine Language Abacus
- B. Grohman, P. Seidler, & H. Sliber $15
- Atari ST Tips & Tricks Abacus
- R. Bruckmann, L. Englisch, J. Walkowiak, & K. Gerits $10
-
- Pascal Texts:
-
- Pascal A Considerate Approach (2nd Ed.)
- David Price $5
- Oh! Pascal! (2nd Ed.)
- D. Cooper & M. Clancy $15
- Introduction to Pascal Sybex
- R. Zaks $15
-
- Despite the fact that OSS (now ICD) recommends Oh! Pascal!, I found
- the Zaks text much more readable. (None even touches "Illustrating
- Pascal", which I'm not selling.)
-
- ST Programming Software:
-
- Alice The Personal Pascal (a Pascal interpreter) $35
- Personal Pascal (v2.02) $30
- TackleBox ST (with first two updates) $35
- (TackleBox requires $10 P&H; it's that big)
- Tempus (1st edition) $10
- Metacomco Make (also comes with an editor) (v2.16) $10
-
- Alice is good; I taught myself Pascal with it (and the texts
- above.) I'd recommend TackleBox to anyone; it's huge and it's
- accurate. Even after switching to C, I find myself referring to GEM
- functions in TackleBox.
-
- Telecommunications:
-
- Flash 1.52, patched up to 1.60 $10
- Shadow 1.1 background transfer accessory for Flash $10
- Kermit & Remote Accessory for Flash(does *not* work w/Shadow)$10
- Michtron's Mi-Term (supports DFT, XMODEM & ASCII) $10
-
- Word Processing & DTP:
-
- Microsoft Word w/GDOS fonts $5
- Publishing Partner (v1.01) with LaserWriter screen fonts $20
-
- What can I say about Publishing Partner? Not as versatile as PageStream,
- but more robust. It's done yeoman work for me (three commercial manuals).
-
- Games:
-
- Bards Tale I with Hint Book $15
- Techmate Chess game $10
-
-
- --
- John McMullen
- jhm@snitor.UUCP or Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems
- jhmcmullen@watyew.waterloo.edu 2235 Sheppard Ave., Willowdale
- (which forwards to jhm@snitor) Ontario M2J 5B5
- --
- John McMullen
- jhm@snitor.UUCP or Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems
- jhmcmullen@watyew.waterloo.edu 2235 Sheppard Ave., Willowdale
- (which forwards to jhm@snitor) Ontario M2J 5B5
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 04:47:57 GMT
- From:
- noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
- @arizona.edu (Sean Sterling Foiles)
- Subject: The Jack Tramiel Memorial Library
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- I am interested in purchacing a second Atari 1040ST. The system
- must have the following:
-
- * 1 meg of memory (or more)
-
- * Color monitor
-
- * DS Floppy drive
-
- A printer is an added plus.
-
- _________________________________________________________
- sean@cc.happy.utexas.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 91 22:27:24 EST
- From: Robert McCoy <RMCCOY%UTCVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
- Subject: The MicroSoft Mouse Rap
- To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- THE MICROSOFT MOUSE RAP
-
- I use the Atari mouse but I think it stinks,
- It's substandard construction is rinky-dink.
- Most mice click, this one CLACKS.
- When I push it fowards, it goes backs.
-
- But it serves the purpose and I'm kind of cheap
- Can't afford another, so this I'll keep.
- That's what I thought till I happened across
- That sleek white model from Microsoft.
-
- Seems the cleaning lady cut the cable
- With her carpet buffer and the mouse aint able
- Neither is the 486 with XGA
- My boss said Robert, go "throw this away".
-
- Now as you know, it needs some modification
- Cause my Atari aint no PC Workstation.
- So where should I go to look for the docs?
- In Info-A16 that's where all the techies talk.
-
- So if you've got the upgrade in a file
- Won't you send it to me, it'd make me smile.
- I know I didn't tell you where to send it yet,
- I'm RMCCOY at UTCVM on BITNET.
- =====================================================
- Please send any information you might have about converting a
- Microsoft mouse for use with an Atari ST. Thanks in advance.
- RMCCOY at UTCVM via BITNET (reply directly if possible)
- Chattanooga, Tennessee.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 16 Mar 91 09:20:57 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!news.funet.fi!hydra!kreeta!luot
- o@arizona.edu (Markku Luoto)
- Subject: TT (vapor)
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <10247@uwm.edu> jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John Lawrence Walsh) writes:
- >
- > Does anyone know when the TT will be available in the US, and
- > why the H*ll it is taking so long.
-
- No I don't know, but I've got one...they came out in europe 1.9.90
-
- I have heard that the Amiga
- > 3000 is a *much* better, and faster system then the TT.
-
- Well, if you HEARD so then how come you don't buy one at instant ?
-
- I am
- > beginning to get the feeling that Atari is verging on bankruptcy.
- >
- WOW, then my TT would be a real collectors item ?!?!? $$$$$
-
- They have never offered support for any of their products, what
- > makes people want to spend $3000 for a system like this?
- >
- That's true ! not even in finland.... but that's probably why
- it seems that the most dedicated usergroups, with GNOLEGEABLE
- users have formed around st/TT -here (ST-club with it's PD-
- librarys, monthly diskmagazine, developers meetings etc...)
- I think the st/TT being not the "safest" choice, it has dropped
- out many teenager kids who mostly play games (and used to use c64
- and use amiga now) and PC/MAC type of users.... ST/TT is more
- distinctive type of thing... this flaming about amiga/st/TT being
- better or not is like arquing between cars: wether SAABs(st/tt)
- are better or worst than VOLVOs(amiga) but they both are better
- than LADAs(russian car and (PC/at/386/486) and are in totally dif-
- ferend price group than mercedes(mac) ???? I just happen to like
- saabs... and there's a certain destinction between most saab drivers,
- which aren't always that good. (here they say "SAABism is a desease!")
- ;-) but usually the ones who never drove one ;-) ;-)
-
- > Also, what do people think of what Dave Small said about the TT?
- > "you can't set the monitor on top of the CPU....etc."?
-
- again... this takes a little brains and coordination, but with that
- the monitor sits nicely on top of the central unit (why would you like
- to open covers and sit it on top of the cpu... for keeping it warm ??)
- -> I imagine that would be a little hard...but then..... ;-) ;-)
-
- I have a feelin the person also wonders about the "pen holder" in front
- of the machine... and what to do with it...?
-
- From the
- > Genie developers sig, it seems that the TT has the same chip
- > seating problem as the ST (try dropping a $3000 machine).
-
- What's that problem, while I'm not aware of...?
- >
- >
- > Another unsatisfied customer
- (not quite, you gotta buy something first ?)
- (Potential customer, maybe ?)
-
- have lafs & merry weather
- Verbier got three days of snow !
-
-
-
- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
- >>>>>> " I'm completely operational & all my cicuits are functioning <<<<<<
- >>>>>> correctly...correc...corr...co...-! " : HAl9000 <<<<<<
- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 04:50:12 GMT
- From:
- noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
- @arizona.edu (Sean Sterling Foiles)
- Subject: Wanted Atari 1040ST
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- I want to by a second Atari 1040ST. The system MUST have one
- Meg of memory, and a Color Monitor. A printer, and TOS 1.2 or
- higher is a plus.
-
- Thanks,
-
- sean@happy.cc.utexas.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 01:47:59 GMT
- From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!psurge@arizona.edu (Troy Carpenter)
- Subject: Where is the rest of ana systems modula-2?
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <1991Mar11.002021.9440@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, vsnyder@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
- (Van Snyder) writes:
- > Does anybody know where ana_m2_4.arc and ana_m2_5.arc can be found? They're
- > not on terminator. (Is terminator the same as atari.archive?)
- >
- > --
- > vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
- > ames!elroy!jato!vsnyder
- > vsnyder@jato.uucp
-
-
- I have ftp'ed those two files to Terminator many times, but they just seem to
- get lost into never-never land. I had to get them from some place in Europe,
- but I will try to upload those files again.
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Troy Carpenter
- Department of Computer Sciences
- THE University of Texas, Austin
- psurge@cs.utexas.edu
-
- "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor
-
- *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 01:58:39 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!psurge@arizona.edu
- (Troy Carpenter)
- Subject: Where is the rest of ana systems modula-2?
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- Ok, I just posted ana_m2_4.arc to atari.archive. I did not send Part 5, mostly
- because I erased it, partly because it was the emacs editor (3.09 I think).
-
- Hopefully this one will get there, all other attempts at posting this file have
- failed, they just seemed to get lost (hmmm...).
-
-
-
- Troy Carpenter
- Department of Computer Sciences
- THE University of Texas, Austin
- psurge@cs.utexas.edu
-
- "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor
-
- *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Mar 91 02:01:03 GMT
- From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!mahendo!jato!vsnyder@arizona.edu (Van Snyder)
- Subject: Where is the rest of ana systems modula-2?
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <1195@grit.cs.utexas.edu> psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter)
- writes:
- >In article <1991Mar11.002021.9440@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, vsnyder@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
- (Van Snyder) writes:
- >> Does anybody know where ana_m2_4.arc and ana_m2_5.arc can be found? They're
- >> not on terminator. (Is terminator the same as atari.archive?)
- >
- >I have ftp'ed those two files to Terminator many times, but they just seem to
- >get lost into never-never land. I had to get them from some place in Europe,
- >but I will try to upload those files again.
- >
-
- Weiner told me that ana_m2_4.arc is really ANA_M2_4.ARC. He doesn't know where
- ana_m2_5.arc is.
-
- > Troy Carpenter
- > Department of Computer Sciences
- > THE University of Texas, Austin
- > psurge@cs.utexas.edu
- >
- >"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor
-
- An apt description of the <network.thought.police>
-
- >*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
-
-
- --
- vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
- ames!elroy!jato!vsnyder
- vsnyder@jato.uucp
-
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- Date: 19 Mar 91 23:56:55 GMT
- From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu (Mark
- Choi)
- Subject: WOW!!!!
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 19-Mar-91 Re: WOW!!!! John
- > Kawakami@bigbang.Be (965)
-
- > The essence of a portable computer is portability. Adding features like
- > color monitor support seems extraneous. After all, how likely is it that
- > one would carry the computer to an unoccupied (or occupied) SC1224 or
- > SM124?
- > A floppy is a thorny question. It's probably necessary because of market
- > demands, but I'm sure many would do without.
-
-
- The reason fo rht e external montior port is that at the price premuium
- on pays for a notebook, it may just become your only machine. In that
- case, it would be a benefit to be able to (ab)use all the software that
- was out there, including games and other colour only software. If it had
- an RF composite out, that would be o.k. too, but the monitor out would
- be better, so a multisync could be hooked up. Look at the PC notebook
- market. Most of them have 1.44 meg drives, 20-40meg hard drives, a VGA
- port, a huge software and installed user base, and an expansion slot.
- The atari would seem to have: no floppy drive, a 20 meg drive, no
- monitor port, a very small software base and an even smaller user base.
- The 512k ROM space is promising though. So is the PDS.
- > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 19-Mar-91 Re: WOW!!!! John
- > Kawakami@bigbang.Be (965)
-
- > If Atari wants to succeed, they will have to
- > tap both the current Atari market and the PC market.
-
- This is the case, not only for notebooks, but for all their machines,
- Lately, however, they only seem to be going after that small portion of
- the smaller atari market that even cares about buying a new machine, so
- there sales fall and fall. And the possibility of carrying the notebook
- to a colour monitor is great if you assume that most ST owners would
- sell their current set up to afford the new machine. I use my TV with my
- Stacy all the time. (by the way, it was very agravating that the STacy
- does not have the STe motherboard, or RF interface. This was just pure
- stupidity. Especially in light of the fact that not only does in to have
- a battery, but the circuit board responsible for power control was
- scrapped as well. Lets hope they do it right this time.) I still want
- one, though!
-
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