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Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 27 Mar 91       Volume 91 : Issue 174

Today's Topics:
                      1 year warranty and stuff
                           amiga emulators
                  Connecting to a Non-atari monitor?
                    Genealogy programs for the ST
                   Help with atari.archive (2 msgs)
                 Laser printer recommendation sought
           MEGA-4 + sc1224 (+ maybe MEGAFILE-60) FOR SALE!
                        MKFS for MiNT (Minix)
                              newsletter
                    pink Energizer bunny (2 msgs)
                       Roland MT-32 Music Card
                             ST Pad specs
                                sundog
                      Switching A SS drive to DS
                           TT & GCR 3.0 ???
                            TT Gif Shower
                              TT REVIEW
                          Xlisp and windows

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Date: 27 Mar 91 16:57:37 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma![e-mail] (William K Glunt)
Subject: 1 year warranty and stuff
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Schul)
 writes:
>
>never fom the us mogals
>----

 Hmmmm.  Hard to argue with THAT.

 Bud


--
Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
Heh heh nice ring to it!| Then you are probably better than most people!
U of Kentucky math dept | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW
home phone [phone] | WORLD?  from _The book of the SubGenius_

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Date: 27 Mar 91 18:59:38 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu![e-mail] (Mark
 Choi)
Subject: amiga emulators
To: [e-mail]

Every one repeat after me. There is no such thing, there is no such
thing, there is no such thing....

                -geisha-


P.S. The only thing that comes close as far as I know, is a program
called* an amiga emulator, that puts up the thought bubble for a little
bit, and then proptly posts the GURU message on the screen (Plus a natsy
anti amiga message). Not to much different that the real thing. Maybe it
is an amiga emulator after all. Cute.

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Date: 27 Mar 91 17:29:40 GMT
From: sae![e-mail] (Bob Malay)
Subject: Connecting to a Non-atari monitor?
To: [e-mail]

Help! How can I connect a Zenith Data Systems ZVM-135 RGB Monitor to an
Atari 1040STE? Here's the ZVM-135's connector pinout:

            1  - Negative horizontal or negative composite sync*
            2  - Positive horizontal or positive composite sync*
            3  - NC
            4  - Positive vertical or positive composite sync
            5  - Green input
            6  - Blue input
            7  - Red input
            8  - NC
            9  - NC
            10 - Green feedthrough
            11 - Apple X1 Input
            12 - Apple X2 Input
            13 - Apple X3 Input
            14 - Negative vertical or negative composite sync
            15 - IBM intensity
            16 - Ground
            17 - NC
            18 - Audio input
            19 - Ground
            20 - Composite video input
            21 - Red feedthrough
            22 - Blue feedthrough
            23 - NC
            24 - NC
            25 - Apple X8 input

*NOTE: Composite sync must be supplied to both the horizontal and vertical
       sync inputs.

Specifications:

inputs .......  DB-25 type connector
                R,G, and B signals TTL level analog positive
                Composite - TTL positive or negative
                Horiz sync - TTL positive or negative
                Vert sync - TTL positive or negative
                Ground
                Audio - .5V to 1V rms.
                Audio ground.
                Apple III video - (4)
                IBM intensity
                Composite video.



This monitor is switchable from RGB to Composite. It has an DB-25 RGB
connector and a set of RCA phono type jacks for composite. There was
a message floating around (dated 4 Jan 87) that showed how to connect
a Sony XBR monitor to an ST and it works (I've seen the result). I
realize that I could just use the composite input with the STE but I
would like to use the RGB for obvious reasons. Anybody got any clues????


Bob Malay
[e-mail]

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Date: 27 Mar 91 22:19:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!hojo@
 arizona.edu (HC Johnson)
Subject: Genealogy programs for the ST
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Raymond
 Thomas) writes:
> I have seen at least two commercial genealogy programs written
> for the ST, but havn't yet seen any reviews on them. Before
> rushing out and beta testing them myself I would be interested
> in hearing peoples experiences with genealogy on the ST.
> Specifically, what programs they have used, and how they liked
> them.
>
My 0.02 worth.  I looked into this last year.  The ST versions are not very
nice, at least compared with MAC and MS/DOS.

The Best for the buck is PAF from the Mormons.  MAC and MS/Dos for $39 each.

Mac ones run well on Spectre 128.

Ms/Dos ones run adequately on PC-Ditto (software emulator), and very well
on the hardware emulators.

Howard Johnson
ATT BELL LABS
att!lzsc!hcj
[e-mail]

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Date: 27 Mar 91 16:16:55 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sun
 ic!news.funet.fi!funic!santra!saha.hut.fi![e-mail] (Jari Lehto)
Subject: Help with atari.archive
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>
 [e-mail] (Kevin O. Garrick) writes:
>group and have read quite a bit about atari.archive, but I am unable
>to find any information on how to find it.  Could someone please send
>a short reply telling me where atari.archive is and what I need to do
>in order to use it?  I would really appreciate it.  Thanks.
>
>Kevin Garrick
>[e-mail]

The complete address for atari.archive is atari.archive.umich.edu
and all you have to do is:

ftp atari.archive.umich.edu <ret>

and when the connected... answer arrives and the "your name: (garrick)"
follows, type in "anonymous" <ret>, and then it asks your password,
type in "[e-mail]".
Then "guest login OK, restrictions appear" appears, and the prompt
"ftp>" follows.
You are in now.
This is called "anonymous FTP", (FTP = File Transfer Protocol), and it is
widely used for up- and downloading PD, SW and FW -> free stuff.

The basic ftp commands you need are:
        cd  changes the directory like in MS-DOS or Unix
        dir or ls  lists the contents of the directory, wildcards can be used
        bin  sets the transmission to binary mode, use for packed files and
             executable programs and other non-ascii files.
        asc  sets the transmission to ascii mode, default
        get  transfers the file given after this command to you
        put  transfers your file to the remote-end
        mget  like get, but takes many, wildcards can be used
        mput  like put, ..........
        quit  you know...

You can get help about the rest of the commands by typing "?" or "help" in
ftp.

In atari.archive there is a file in the /atari/ -directory called Index,
that holds the names and descriptions of the files available.

It may well be completed now, few days ago there was still some work to do.

ftp is a quite good tool, just find out about it. Try to find a manual or
something about it, it is worth it!

                        Jartsu

        *** Jari Lehto, [e-mail], [e-mail] ***

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Date: 27 Mar 91 23:51:35 GMT
From: uhccux!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au![e-mail] (Warwick
 Allison)
Subject: Help with atari.archive
To: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jari Lehto) writes:

>The complete address for atari.archive is atari.archive.umich.edu
>and all you have to do is:

>ftp atari.archive.umich.edu <ret>

or, if that fails, try the port address:

        ftp 141.211.164.8

Warwick.
--
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 /      *  <--  Computer Science Department,
 \_.--._/       University of Queensland,
       v        AUSTRALIA.

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Date: 27 Mar 91 22:09:14 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com![e-mail] (Laird
 Popkin)
Subject: Laser printer recommendation sought
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 writes:
>This is a repost, as our news servers are up the creek AGAIN.
>
>I'm looking to buy a laser printer, and would like to be able
>to hook it not only to my 1040ST but also to an AT-class machine.
>
>I need a postscript capability.
>
>My budget starts getting a bit tight around the $3000 mark.
>
>Does anybody have any strong recommendations and/or avoidables
>they'd like to share?  Email preferred - I'll summarize.

I can recommend GCC Technologies' BLP II and BLP IIS.  For $1999 list
the BLP II is a 4 ppm printer, with 2 Mb RAM expandable to 4 Mb by plugging
in off-the-shelf SIMMs.  It also has a SCSI port for attaching a hard drive
for font downloading and precomputing.  The BLP IIS, for $2899, is an 8 ppm
printer with the same features.  Both printers are based on an LED engine,
so instead of a laser beam with lenses and a rotating mirror they've got a
row of LED's drawing staight onto the drum.  Very nice, clean design, and
the output quality is excellent.

The only drawback is that the printers come standard with only a LocalTalk
interface, so you would either need to add LocalTalk to your PC and ST
(PromiseLAN, anyone?) or add the serial and parallel interface option to the
printer ($100 or so).  You can contact GCC Technologies at 800/422-7777.

>
>-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
>   [e-mail]       ...uunet!intelhf!watson!ajw

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Date: 27 Mar 91 17:35:29 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis
 .pitt.edu!pitt!cuphub![e-mail]
Subject: MEGA-4 + sc1224 (+ maybe MEGAFILE-60) FOR SALE!
To: [e-mail]

                        Big ST System for sale...

                MEGA-4 + COLOR(1224) MONITOR (maybe + MEGAFILE-60)

                   *******  BEST OFFER ! ! !  ********

                        Less than One year old.


Please reply via E-Mail as I am posting this for a friend.

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Date: 25 Mar 91 14:57:56 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!mucs!logitek![e-mail] (Alan Hourihane)
Subject: MKFS for MiNT (Minix)
To: [e-mail]

Hi,


        I heard someone mention on this newsgroup about a mkfs program to
create a Minix partition that MiNT will be able to read to gain access to its
superior file handling over TOS. i.e. Greater file lengths , true permissions
etc.

        Can anybody tell me if it exists and where to get hold of it ?

        Alan Hourihane

        email: [e-mail]

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Date: 27 Mar 91 21:35:14 GMT
From: spool.mu.edu!think.com![e-mail] (Laird Popkin)
Subject: newsletter
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter Heymens Visser)
 writes:
>
>      ****** - LYNX - Magazine - ******
>
>We are planning a LYNX-maganzine.

There is a Lynx newsletter out currently, called Atari Portable
Entertainment.  I don't have the address with me (sorry) but I will try to
locate it.  It would make sense for you guys to coordinate with APE, since
there are three or four issues of APE out already.  If anyone else knows
how to contact APE, please fill in for me.  Thanks!

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Date: 27 Mar 91 20:28:27 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!umich!term
 inator!terminator.cc.umich.edu![e-mail] (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: pink Energizer bunny
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Choi)
 writes:
>
>someones bootdisk, and screw with there head for a day or so. The first
>time it happens, boy do their eyes bug out. The pink Energizer bunny
>(from a previous post) would be about the same thing. Someone should do
>it.
>
>                            -geisha-
Someone put it on one of the mac servers here that serves about 200 machines.
All you could hear was that damn bunny with the drum.

weiner

--
Jeff Weiner     [e-mail]       [e-mail]
    Mail [e-mail] and ask if he'd like a beefy tostada
Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?"

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Date: 27 Mar 91 21:37:11 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!boulder!tramp.Colorado.EDU![e-mail] (MILLER TODD
 C)
Subject: pink Energizer bunny
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Choi)
 writes:
>
>   here is a program out there that at random intervals, and whenever
>there is a disk access, does the following:
>       you hear a very faint police siren that gradually gets louder and
>louder.      When it reaches max volume, a little police car drives
>across your screen, the pitch changes as the car flies past, and then
>diminishes in volume. The humour of the thing quickly dies, as the
>interval is set to a much to frequent setting, but it is fun to put in
>someones bootdisk, and screw with there head for a day or so. The first
>time it happens, boy do their eyes bug out. The pink Energizer bunny
>(from a previous post) would be about the same thing. Someone should do
>it.
>
>                            -geisha-
  The file is at atari.archive.umich.edu in atari/graphics as siren3.arc
and the delay is cofigurable.

 - todd


--
Todd C. Miller                    | "But all the politiCIAns now
[e-mail]        |  They have no excuse
[e-mail]       |  They just hide behind their power
University of Colorado @ Boulder  |  And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn

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Date: 28 Mar 91 01:36:49 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!sal-sun8.usc.edu!echeverr@arizon
 a.edu (The Black Sheep)
Subject: Roland MT-32 Music Card
To: [e-mail]

Does anybody out there have the Roland MT-32 on their computer? If so, I would
love some info and references about it, i might be interested in buying one.

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        - Tom Cruise and Anthony Edwards,
                Top Gun
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Date: 27 Mar 91 16:30:30 GMT
From: bonnie.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca![e-mail] (Bob Bright)
Subject: ST Pad specs
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (T R Hall) writes:
>     You may feel skeptical, but as the designer of the two machines
>announced, I can tell you that "TOS ... with handwritting recognition" is
>FACT, not conjecture. The HCR code will be in the ROMs (and was, in the Demo
>at CeBIT), and tied into the operating system and desktop such that a gesture
>in the Menu Bar area will bring up a window (as invisibly to existing
>applications as possible) into which Hand-written characters are drawn. As you
>write, the characters are converted to ASCII; when you are satisfied, the
>characters are sent (via the Keyboard input stream) to the application. This
>way, _*existing*_ applications will have HCR capabilitites.

        This sounds pretty nifty, but will the machine also allow a
normal keyboard to be plugged in?  The HCR interface would be very
handy for portable use, but I can type a lot faster than I can write,
and it would be nice to have the option available.

BBB
--
Bob Bright <[e-mail]>
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Man  R3T 2N2  [phone]

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Date: 27 Mar 91 11:16:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!pacbel
 l.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com![e-mail] (Chuck Schul)
Subject: sundog
To: [e-mail]

what the hell is that game about???????
----
ProLine:  chuckie@pro-odyssey
Internet: [e-mail]
UUCP:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
ARPA:     crash!pro-odyssey![e-mail]

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Date: 27 Mar 91 22:03:12 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.ed
 u!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!sage.cc.purdue.edu![e-mail] (Doug Stevens)
Subject: Switching A SS drive to DS
To: [e-mail]

I finally desided to upgrade my single sided drive, I just got the new drive
today.  I thought all I had to was swap drives.  The plug from the small board
in the drive case isn't the same as the one one the drive.  The connector on the
board is for 14 pins, the drive connector is 34 pins.  I rember reading some of
the early single sided drives used an old kind of connector (guess what kind I
got).  If you know how to convert the plugs I would be very appreciative.

Thanks.
- Doug

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Date: 27 Mar 91 18:43:42 GMT
From: brunix!brownvm.brown.edu![e-mail] (Marshall Vale)
Subject: TT & GCR 3.0 ???
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Markku Luoto)
writes:
> Is there anybody out there with a TT & spectre GCR 3.0 (the newest ??)

 Er, no but I do have GCR 3 and a Mega4. TT's just aren't here (US) yet.

> - Does it really work ?? How? ... any problems with mac
software/peripherals

 In the Gadget's newsletter, Dave claims it works just great on the TT.
As for version 3 of the software, it works wonderfully!! All the major
programs work without a hitch.

> - what kind of a floppy drive format does 3.0 use...

 Standard Mac 800K (HFS) and 400K (MFS) disks. However, Gadget's have
gotten the Mac to think it has one of the new SWIM disk controller
chips in it. On the Mac, it allows you to use 1.44 floppys and read
Ms-dos disks. So this means that you can easily copy files from ST
to Mac with programs such as Apple File Exchange or DosMounter.

> - how about TT's hard disk (scsi) does it work on TT&dma hard disk ??

 Not quite sure what you're asking here...

> - what about my old st1040f with tos 1.1 or 1.2 or something like that
???

 Yup, works fine. Although I'd recommend you get at least 2 megs of
software and a hard drive to do anything decent.

> - can it (gcr) use the mac type lan in TT ???

 The next update of the software will work with the LocalTalk TT port.

> is it worth buying ??

 Oh YEAH!  Works great, great support and....it's worth the money.
If you have anymore questions, just ask!

Marshall

 *******************************************************************
-> Internet: [e-mail]
"He had found the perfect TV mix, on Marvin's Hour of Power.
 (The show that put the FUN back into fundamentalist)."
   -- Neil Gaiman; Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of
     Agnes Nutter, Witch

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Date: 27 Mar 91 17:53:45 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.
 ecn.purdue.edu!cb.ecn.purdue.edu![e-mail] (Drew D Whitehead)
Subject: TT Gif Shower
To: [e-mail]

Hello.  My user group, Purdue Atari Users Group, is going to be able demo an
Atari TT in two weeks.  I am looking for any good TT demos and espically any
able to show Gif pictures in the TT higher resolution modes.  Please let me
know by e-mail if anybody has any TT programs to impress the group.

Thanks in advance

Drew Whitehead

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Date: 28 Mar 91 02:37:35 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc
 .edu![e-mail] (Juxtaposer)
Subject: TT REVIEW
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Allan Pratt) writes:
>
>If you have a VME card, you lose the Serial 1 and Serial 2 connectors,
>unless you mess with your case (and probably void your warranty): the
>connectors appear in the (otherwise empty) VME slot.
>
>As for "checklist engineering," we did it this way because the serial port
>is free if you're not using the LAN connector: if you don't use the LAN
>port, would you rather have that serial port, or nothing?

I realize that the LAN and Serial 2 are run by the same _chip_, but what about
physical ports themselves:

   If you have a VME card, you lose the Serial1 and Serial 2 connectors:  But
does that also mean that you lose the LAN connector as well?  Or are you
just refering to the connector with all the modem signals (except RI)?
If you lose the LAN too, that would be a silly thing to do:  you can either
hook yourself into a network OR you can use <insert hardware extra like RAM,
etc.>, but you can't use both.  You shouldn't have to make that kind of a
choice!
>
>============================================
>Opinions expressed above do not necessarily    -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
>reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else.     ...ames!atari!apratt

Thanks!

-Mike

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Date: 27 Mar 91 15:40:16 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.
 csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!utdoe![e-mail] (David Megginson)
Subject: Xlisp and windows
To: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, Eric C. Olson writes:
> I've started developing an object oriented window system for the
> Atari.  Has somebody already done this?  If so, what was your
> approach (and how can I get it)?  If not, perhaps you'll be amused
> at my attempt.
>

Well, obviously you will want this system to be able to multi-task.
Instead of writing the code yourself, you might think about using
Eric Smith's MiNT, which adds BSD-type extensions to TOS. You can
re-compile XLISP with GCC and ES's MiNT library to use MiNT by default.
MiNT will make it easier to put BIOS i/o into windows, manage multiple
threads of the same program, etc. etc.

BTW, to try out your ideas, try using XLISP under MGR. MGR is a
windowing system where all graphics, window management etc. is done
with escape sequences, and it runs on the ST under MiNT (ie. you draw
circles, open and resize windows, pass messages, etc., the same way
that you turn inverse video on and off on the vt52!!). You could write
all of the MGR code IN XLISP first (just print the appropriate escape
sequences to the screen), and then hard-code it into C if you want to.
The advantages of using MGR are that you can concentrate on the high-
level logic of your project instead of the nitty-gritty details of getting
BIOS output into GEM windows, etc. Also, your XLISP code will be portable
to Unix or Mac machines running MGR (Minix may soon have MGR too), so
you are looking at a much larger potential user base.

It sounds like an excellent idea, and I hope that it works out for you.
You will need at least 2 megs to use MiNT and MGR, I should add.


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