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- Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 31 Mar 91 Volume 91 : Issue 180
-
- Today's Topics:
- BIGCOLOR.PRG
- Character sets?
- Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #179
- memory problems
- Mr. Pietrzak responds to: "Mr. Choi" responds to Atari (a flame) (2 msgs)
- Need a cooling fan for my 1040ST with ZRAM upgrade
- Opinions on gcc
- rant and rave (2 msgs)
- SPC Pics from Umich, corrupt?
- Telecom program help needed
- Time Bandit...
- TRHall and Notebook
- Type faster than write? (was Re: ST Pad specs) (2 msgs)
- Uniterm & Kermit
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- Date: 30 Mar 91 16:15:49 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!lwwarpup@arizona.
- edu (Lonnie W. Warpup)
- Subject: BIGCOLOR.PRG
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- Has anyone else had any problems with the BIGCOLOR color monitor
- emulator? It boots up ok only about 20% of the time. I am running on
- TOS 1.0, but it is supposed to work with all TOS version. Any
- suggestions?
-
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- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Mar 91 05:05:09 GMT
- From:
- noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflo
- rida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
- Subject: Character sets?
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <4qukZ1w162w@fquest.fidonet.org>, mspacek@fquest.fidonet.org (Mark
- Spacek) writes:
- >
- > I've never messed much with character sets on the ST. Never had any
- >installed but the system default. Never thought about it much. UNTIL, a
- >guy showed me a little program the other day. It was called MACINTOS, I
- >think. It was like 4270 bytes long, went in his auto folder, and changed
- >the font to a Mac-type font. It changed the font on the GEM menus on the
- >desktop and the font all through programs that were run. So..
- > I got to thinking about installing an ANSI character set to make a
- >VT-100 terminal work better with a PC ANSI BBS, etc. So, I'd kinda like
- >to get some feedback about what character set editors are out there.
-
- Neodesk 3.0 comes with a PD font editor, and a small auto program that can
- replace the system font at boot time. Alternately, you can use a different
- font just within Neodesk (but have the regular one when you run programs).
- Pretty nifty.
- --
- ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
- FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
- Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
- email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
- ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 30 Mar 91 12:35:56 EST
- From: Greg <ACDGREG@vm.uoguelph.ca>
- Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #179
- To: "RE: Mr. Choi " <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
-
- Well said, Mr. Choi. ATARI has long been known to dump its woes (mostly
- self-caused) onto others. When AMIGA Co. was hitting hard times, they
- did their best to dump them further down under the pretense of buying
- them out due to Mr. Tramiel's petulance over a perceived slight.
- I have been a dedicated ST user for many years (5), but I've finally
- grown exhausted and jumped ship. I still have my 1040 for Nostalgic
- reasons, but I also own an Amiga.
-
- Sometimes, Mr. Choi, one can be right but be arguing with idiots.
- It's not worth your time. Please, no more of these letters on the
- list server!
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Mar 91 20:48:31 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!hayes
- .ims.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!fnjlh1@arizona.edu (HARRIS JAY L)
- Subject: memory problems
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- While chasing some problem that caused intermittent lockup w/ black screen,
- after trying heat and cool spray, and getting random bomb numbers, I finally
- removed the ZRAM, removed the MMU, treated the little pins w/ Cramolin (neat
- stuff), and reinserted. I tried to be carefull and worked on a static mat, tried
- to account for the little interrupt insulation that the ZRAM uses on one pin,
- but still ended up with .5M instead of the normal unenhanced 1M. I found this
- very discouraging.
- Is there a specific pin that addresses each bank of memory, and where,
- as exactly as possible might it be on the mmu? Or should I bark up another
- tree entirely? I also fiddled with the video shifter in the ZRAM removal if
- thart
- could be implicated.
- Thanks for any help. Stuck on my wife's 1M st... J Harris
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Mar 91 15:22:23 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!agate!usenet.ins.
- cwru.edu!skybridge!pietrzak@arizona.edu (John Pietrzak)
- Subject: Mr. Pietrzak responds to: "Mr. Choi" responds to Atari (a flame)
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- Mr. Choi. I've just read through your thesis on how you have been persecuted
- on this board, and by Atari in general. In the last week, you have been
- quite active in writing to comp.sys.atari.st; let me summarize what you've
- said:
-
- Saturday, March 23rd
- Subject: Re: ST Pad specs
- A message describing how pen-based computing has been established in the PC
- world, plus your opinion:
- >I doubt Atari will really go the whole 9 yards with this. They have just
- >jaded me too often in the past. I have STacy, so I know what Atari doesn't
- >do right :~(!
-
- Saturday, March 23rd
- Subject: Re: Two New Computer Announcements - CeBIT
- A message giving your "wish list" of what you want in a notebook PC, now
- that they've designed one at Atari. Plus, your opinion:
- >BTW, I have STacy, and so I know how badly Atari can screw up in the
- >portable market!
-
- Monday, March 25th
- Subject: Re: Two New Computer Announcements - CeBIT
- A reply to a previous description of the design choices of the notebook ST.
- You refute them, and point to the PC world as well. Plus, your opinion:
- >This thing would sell like mad if they could get it out in time (ie.
- >before apple comes out with its soon to be released mac notebook) but
- >I doubt atari learns anything from the past, and so I do not think this
- >will happen.
-
- Monday March 25th
- Subject: Re: Two New Computer Announcements - CeBIT
- In your disgust of current Atari hardware (especially the notebook ST) you
- bring up the point that Atari may be attempting to perform monopolistic
- practices, forcing people to buy Stacys instead of notebook STs. Plus, your
- opinion:
- >I know th ST can be *used* in these other fields, but it is not versitile
- >enough, and nopt good enough in any of these fields, except DTP/MIDI to
- >really catch on. The hardware is O.K. for a lot of it, but the
- >software/OS stinks.
-
- Thursday, March 28th
- Subject: Re: Two New Computer Announcements - CeBIT
- An Atari employee attempts to explain design procedures for your earlier
- requests. Again, you refute him, pointing to your wish-list of notebook PCs,
- especially the external monitor request. Plus, your opinion:
- >[...] But Atari the company. It *is* Blind/Dumb! And excruciatingly
- >slow as well.
-
- Which brings us to the message I am replying to.
- Saturday, March 30th
- Subject: "Mr. Choi" responds to Atari
- You reply to several posts from people angry at you. You "defend you honor"
- with a long reply, again refuting most of the discussion of design
- considerations, as well as commenting on their style of posting.
- Some of your opinions:
- >My responses were amicable and polite in reference to all individuals
- >involved.
-
- >Your above contentions are both misinformed, and misinforming. I expected
- >better. And you think you know the market. You scare me.
-
- >If you look at my posts, it is obvious that what I said was to improve
- >the product, I even stated as much.
-
- >If you read my post, I find it hard to see how you can think anything I
- >say berated TRH, let alone rudely (can one do otherwise?).
-
- My point? Sir, you are WHINING. You have WHINED in every single post you
- put on the board last week, and you are WHINING in this one. Your style
- is corrosive; your opinions are self-centered; your "facts" are dubious,
- come from third-party sources, and are used incorrectly. You want something
- you cannot have, and are throwing a tantrum of great proportions to a
- network which sends your messages over the entire world.
-
- Stop it.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Mar 91 07:15:40 GMT
- From: daffy!cat7.cs.wisc.edu!carter@rsch.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter)
- Subject: Mr. Pietrzak responds to: "Mr. Choi" responds to Atari (a flame)
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- What i would Like to know, is why can't everyone just leave others alone.
-
- If someone has something to say, let them say it. Just because you feel
- something isn't of worth, then hit the N or Q or K key OK?
-
- I hardly believe my eyes, sometimes. Those of you who critque others on
- simply writing messages, regardless of topic.
-
- The technology you have access to you take for granted, thats a shame.
- Few people realize the things they do and the impact they have on rn.
-
- --Please, let people speak, and leave them alone.
-
- --Gregory
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Mar 91 00:23:00 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintaka!bl
- oom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@arizona.edu (Adam David)
- Subject: Need a cooling fan for my 1040ST with ZRAM upgrade
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In <1991Mar26.192606.8264@cs.wayne.edu> pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
- writes:
-
- >> J. Harris writes about how his ST with ZRAM stops running after a few
- >> hours, then when left off for 2-3 hours, boots fine.
-
- >I've been having the same problems with my ST. I figured it was heat,
-
- It could be heat affecting the memory board, heat from the power supply
- spreading through the metal shielding and motherboard, or the Atari power
- supply is pushing its limits.
-
- By far the most heat in the computer is the power supply. I haven't
- calculated the power loss in that supply but it doesn't look very efficient.
- There are two choices available. A fan was already mentioned. The best place
- in a 1040 for a fan is just to the right of the power supply, blowing upwards.
- A good fan would draw most of its air from the side where the power supply is.
- Venting slats also have to be opened up in order to get a reasonable airflow.
-
- I chose the other (and probably simpler) solution. I removed the power supply
- altogether and fitted a diskdrive power connector where the switch used to be.
- Plug in any off-the-shelf power supply and go. All the heat is outside where it
- belongs, also there is no danger of accidently pulling out the (DC) power cord
- because it is a snap fit. I have room in the computer box now for an internal
- hard disk and am not restricted to using the standard Atari PSU with all its
- shortcomings. If the standard PSU must be used it can be mounted in an aluminum
- box. To avoid RFI leakage it is a good idea to use a screened cable for the DC
- power and close with metal the hole where the AC power cord used to plug in.
-
- I hope this will help someone.
- --
- Adam David. (adamd@rhi.hi.is)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Mar 91 22:39:07 GMT
- From: xanth!xanth.cs.odu.edu!jason@ames.arpa (Jason "dedos" Austin)
- Subject: Opinions on gcc
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- I recently noticed that an st version of gcc was available,
- and I would like to know something about it before taking the time to
- download and set it up. One thing I'm interested in is support for
- AES/VDI system calls and how easily programs written with other st
- compilers can be converted to work with this one. There is also a
- mound of gcc related files at the archive site; does anyone have a
- list of what's needed?
- --
- Jason C. Austin
- jason@cs.odu.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Mar 91 03:53:29 GMT
- From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: rant and rave
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- L.J... does your "kill file" include "potty mouth" comments from our
- revered "Atari representatives"...?
-
- Funny how they can drag a discussion down into the muck with personal
- attacks and foul language.. ("piss in my coffee"... "you haven't the
- faintest idea what-in-the-fuck you're talking about") and still have
- the resident Atari cheerleaders jump to their defense...
-
- Is this any way for representatives of a major computer company to talk
- to the public..? We're all in pretty serious trouble if we have to
- accept abuse like this just to have the "honor" of their presence here...
-
- BobR
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Mar 91 07:43:13 GMT
- From:
- noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu!e
- ntropy@arizona.edu (entropy)
- Subject: rant and rave
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <40715@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
- L.J... does your "kill file" include "potty mouth" comments from our
- revered "Atari representatives"...?
-
- Funny how they can drag a discussion down into the muck with personal
- attacks and foul language.. ("piss in my coffee"... "you haven't the
- faintest idea what-in-the-fuck you're talking about") and still have
- the resident Atari cheerleaders jump to their defense...
-
- It's also funny how some users of this newsgroup can drag a discussion
- down into the muck by continually pissing in everyone's coffee and
- babbling on and on when they haven't the faintest idea
- what-in-the-fuck they're talking about.
-
- Is this any way for representatives of a major computer company to talk
- to the public..? We're all in pretty serious trouble if we have to
- accept abuse like this just to have the "honor" of their presence here...
-
- No one is forcing you to read the messages by anyone from Atari, just
- put atari.UUCP in your kill file and you won't have to take any more
- abuse, at least from them. You'll still get abuse from the rest of us
- unless you stop bitching and griping and start posting something
- useful here.
-
- By the way, most of the Atari folk here are on Usenet on their own
- time, NOT as representatives of Atari (or have you failed to read the
- disclaimer attached to their messages?) Personally I really appreciate
- their presence here and wish assholes like you would quit giving them
- reasons why they should discontinue that presence.
-
- Your friendly resident Atari cheerleader,
- entropy
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Mar 91 12:23:16 GMT
- From: exeter.ac.uk!avalon@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
- Subject: SPC Pics from Umich, corrupt?
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- The other day I downloaded several SPC pictures from bart, but when
- I tried to view them on my ST, using a specshow programme I found
- on bart, only the top quarter of the pictures was visible...the
- rest was a mess of lines...could the files be corrupt, or is my
- viewing programme just buggered?
-
- Thanks,
- Scott
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Mar 91 10:10:29 GMT
- From: mixcom!uuvvuu@uunet.uu.net (Craig L. Stodolenak)
- Subject: Telecom program help needed
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- I just purchased a used 1040 ST and SC1224 about a week ago and have a
- few questions. Okay, really just one question: Which telecommunications
- package do you use and why?
-
- My observations so far:
-
- UniTerm A really spiffy interface with some functions just where
- I want them, others a mile away, or lacking altogether.
- The emulations are immaculate from what I can tell,
- but lack of Zmodem, or even batch Ymodem is a big
- no-no for me.
-
- Interlink Lots 'o features with a so-so interface. At least
- everything seems available reasonably quickly. Why
- I don't have control over whether or not a LF is
- inserted when I hit CR in the buffer window is beyond
- me. I'm currently using v1.82; I've heard that the
- latest is v1.85 but it's buggy. The emulation .EMU
- files I have seem old and definately have bugs; the
- protocols work reasonably well. Dialing menu is too
- short for me. I'd like a built-in _full_-featured
- Zmodem.
-
- ST TalkPro v2.0 is supposedly still unfinished, but again
- supposedly has a lot of nice features. I haven't seen
- it to comment. Have any of you?
-
- Vanterm I was told to look into this product. I have yet to
- see it or to hear any more than, "get it". Should I?
- Why?
-
- Since telecommunicating is the #1 thing I do with my computer, the
- associated software is of prime importance to me. Any help with this
- would be greatly appreciated. Please post, my E-mail quota is full (yes,
- we have off-site quotas here).
-
- Thanks!
-
- --
- Craig L. Stodolenak "Then have sent to my chambers two young boys,
- mixcom!craig%uunet.uu.net a pumkin, and the schnauzer. After this meet-
- craig@mixcom.com ing I shall wish to be depraved." -- E. Weiner
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Mar 91 13:48:56 GMT
- From:
- noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!cg-atla!tremblay@arizona.edu
- (Ken Tremblay)
- Subject: Time Bandit...
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article 33676 Sean asked for help on Excalibur, a puzzle in Time Bandit
- I tried to mail some info to Sean but I'm not sure if the address worked.
- But while I'm posting ... can anybody offer some hints to level 3C of
- Guardian. There is a riddle that has to be answered , correctly of course,
- before you can advance and this has me stumped. I've been able to solve all
- the other puzzles. Any help is appreciated.
-
- --
- AGFA Compugraphic cg-atla!tremblay
- 200 Ballardvale
- Wilmington, Ma. rectum? Shit, nearly killed 'em!
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 30 Mar 91 22:25:40 GMT
- From: beguine!Duncan.Lewis@mcnc.org (Duncan Lewis)
- Subject: TRHall and Notebook
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- Having departed the ST arena for the slightly greener pastures of the
- (*gasp*) Amiga world, I find it refreshing to see a new face on the net
- from Atari. I'd really like to get more information on this Notebook
- pc since I still have alot of interest in a portable notebook like
- ST. I see this more as an accssory to an ST-desktop system tho.
-
- I wonder if there's a 68040 station on the horizon for Atari? Maybe
- a workstation with some real horsepower. I found the TT a disappointment of
- sorts. Time for 24 bit color and big resolution. Anyways back to
- Mr. Hall, can you point me and others to a soruce of info on thsi
- notebook?
-
- Thanks
- -Duncan
-
- --
- =============================================================================
- Extended Bulletin Board Service, Research & Development
- Office of Information Technology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
- internet: bbs.acs.unc.edu or 128.109.157.30
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 28 Mar 91 03:54:51 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.
- csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!geac!maccs!johns@arizona.edu (Conan the Barbarian)
- Subject: Type faster than write? (was Re: ST Pad specs)
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- In article <1991Mar27.163030.4500@ccu.umanitoba.ca> bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob
- Bright) writes:
- >[...]
- > This sounds pretty nifty, but will the machine also allow a
- >normal keyboard to be plugged in? The HCR interface would be very
- >handy for portable use, but I can type a lot faster than I can write,
- >and it would be nice to have the option available.
- >[...]
-
- I agree that you can probably type a paragraph of prose faster
- than you can write it out by hand. But what about a mathematical proof or
- the solution to a physics problem with all its special symbols? I also
- move the cursor up and down a lot when I type, and that takes quite a bit
- of time, relatively speaking. I think in some circumstances, I would be
- more productive if I could use a pen instead of a keyboard. I think I
- can type a paragraph faster than I can write it, but I think I could
- write a page faster than I could type it.
-
- --
- John Schmitt
- johns@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca
- !unet!utai!utgpu!maccs!johns
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Mar 91 04:45:43 GMT
- From:
- noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!pwp%iuvax.cs.indi
- ana.edu@arizona.edu (Paul Purdom)
- Subject: Type faster than write? (was Re: ST Pad specs)
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- Once you get use to TeX you can type math faster and neater than you can
- write it long hand. Also, although text editors are not good symbolic
- algebra systems, they can go substitutions so they are of some use.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Mar 91 21:04:04 GMT
- From: nuchat!lobster!mwk!wrightgr@uunet.uu.net (Greg Wright)
- Subject: Uniterm & Kermit
- To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-
- >>>Help! I'm having big problems trying to get Uniterm to download
- >>>files with kermit. Can someone send me a detailed message on what to
- >>>do?
- >>>
- >>I'd be interested in any advice people have as well. I download some-
- >>thing to my ST, and when I try to unarc it, the arc usually comes up
- >>with a comment like "This uses 13 bits I can only handle 12." Can anyone
- >>tell me why the files I try to downloaded after ftp'ing keep getting
- >>smashed? The text files are ok, its just the binaries that are getting
- >>creamed.
- >
- > Sometimes I had a similar problem while downloading bigger archives from
- > our VAX. The transfered file was about 30% bigger than the original and
- > (guess!) it got broken, no matter what sort of archive. I'm shure the
- > kermit settings were correct. After wasting some time with unsuccessful
- > downloads, I decided to use another program which also has a built-in
- > kermit, but I miss the enhanced features of uniterm.
- > Anyone got an idea what could be wrong? (Btw. sometimes the transfer
- > completed successfully, using the same settings!?)
-
- This might be a little late, but I've been away for a few weeks. Anyway, if
- your going through a VAX system you have to change the format of the file to
- fixed length records before you download. If you don't, it changes all
- linefeeds to carriage return-linefeeds. I don't know how other systems handle
- it.
-
- There is a program called BILF for the VAX to do the conversion for you. BILF
- changes your file from stream-linefeed format to 512 fixed format and
- vice-versa. I don't like using 512 fixed length though because it pads the end
- of the file with nulls to fill out the last record. I wrote my own conversion
- program to use 1 byte fixed length records so that when you get it downloaded it
- has the correct length in the directory listing.
-
- Hope this helps,
- Greg Wright
- --
- Internet: wrightgr@mwk.uucp /M\ The M.W. Kellogg Company
- UUCP: uhnix1!mwk!wrightgr KELLOGG 601 Jefferson
- lobster!mwk!wrightgr \W/ Houston, TX 77210-4557
- BITNET: mwk!wrightgr%moe.rice.edu@harvunxw.bitnet (713) 753-3414
-
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