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Info-Atari16 Digest         Tue,  2 Apr 91       Volume 91 : Issue 185

Today's Topics:
                    Atari 1040 ste internal drive.
                        ATARI SOFTWARE 4 SALE
                     For Ken Irwin; Email bounced
          For Sale: Monochrom 1040ST System + Midi Software
                         FTP Beginner's Guide
            Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking...
                       HELP! Mono monitor died
                               Monitors
                      NeoDesk v3.0 Desk Pictures
                          NoiseTracker v1.5
                              NOS / KA9Q
                             Post jammer
          Problem using HP II P  laserprinter  with 1040 ST
                  Reply to Turbo C's Weird Behavior
                          Sideline Software
                     Telecom program help needed
                          Transatlantic Lynx

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Date: 2 Apr 91 15:44:12 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-l
 ab!life.ai.mit.edu![e-mail] (John Bunch)
Subject: Atari 1040 ste internal drive.
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>
 [e-mail] (John Bunch) writes:

   Greetings all....

   I have once again encountered problems with my STe.   It seems that my
   internal drive has decided that it doesn' want to work any more...
   It ucks, caue I dont have a harddrive, so I cant even boot up...   Is
   there some known problem with the drives in the STe?  It spins up on
   powerup, and when the boot process tries to read the drive it makes a
   buzzing sound and cant access it...   Thi really sucks, since I opened
   the machine to put in memory....  Argghhh!

   John

I know it is rude to post a followup to your own article, but I found
out what the problem was.  It seems that my internal drive was bad
when I bought the machine, but worked.  It got progressively worse, to
a state where it was no longer usable.  Well it was also the reason
some of my disk's were getting trashed.  I went back to my Local
Dealer(I know, I am Lucky!) and he replaced the drive for me free of
charge, even though I opened the machine to put in my Ram!
Coolness...

John

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Date: 2 Apr 91 14:26:39 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.e
 du![e-mail] (peter tragakis)
Subject: ATARI SOFTWARE 4 SALE
To: [e-mail]

For sale:


         Wordperfect                                      $70
         Timeworks Publisher                              $60
         LDW power spreadsheets                           $50
         db man  5.0                                      $50


                                                         or best offer.
                                                         $150 for all

               call Peter at [phone] or
               e-mail this account.



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Date: 2 Apr 91 21:54:19 GMT
From: o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu![e-mail] (Michael Paul Greelish)
Subject: For Ken Irwin; Email bounced
To: [e-mail]

Hmm, this is a toughie. Think I got the problem though, and mebbe the
solution...

Sounds like the word processor doesn't like IBM disks. It's probably
programmed to test the disk more than the Atari desktop (GEM) does. So,
save the file (as ASCII text, if you can) on an Atari disk. Quit the
word processor, and copy the file from the Atari disk to the IBM disk
FROM THE DESKTOP.

Caveat: sometimes the Atari doesn't like IBM disks due to an obscure
thing called the "disk serial number", something which Ataris write to
disks but IBMs don't... if the Atari sees two disks with the same serial
number, it screws up *BAD* (thinks they're the same disk.) If the
procedure I previously listed doesn't work, try copying the file to a
RAMdisk or a hard drive (if your friend has one) first and then to the
IBM disk. I hate GEM file copy anyway, you hafta swap disks umpteen
times and it's slooooooow.

BTW, I'm a "starving artist" writer myself.


______________________________________________________________
|\    /|
|  \/  |  ike Greelish
Carnegie Mellon U. undergrad, professional writing major
quote: "There's no more time for crying over spilt milk/Now it's time
for crying in your beer."  ---Weird Al Yankovic
stupid disclaimer: My opinions have been known to piss people off.

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Date: 2 Apr 91 18:50:28 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu
 !ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu![e-mail] (Payman Parastaran)
Subject: For Sale: Monochrom 1040ST System + Midi Software
To: [e-mail]

For Sale:

        Atari 1040ST Monochrome System (CPU, Drive and Monitor)
                w/ the following Software:

                1. EditTrack 5.0 from Hybrid Arts
                        -- Midi Sequencer and Manuals

                2. GenEdit 1.1 from Hybrid Arts
                        -- Universal Patch Editor/Librarian
                           Complete w/ templates and new patches
                           for virtually every synth or drum machine

                3. CRICIT 1.0 from Nice & Software
                        -- Integrated Cash Register & Inventory Control
                           Great for any small business...can print and
                           read barcode labels, create purchase order,
                           and much more.

        Plus some twenty disks of games, word-processors, cad software,
        c compiler, pascal, tele-communications software, and other stuff.

        Also a few books on the ST, 68000 Assembly Language, etc., and all
        original documentation.

        All equipment is in good condition and perfect working order.
==>     $600 takes it all, excluding shipping.

        Will consider separate offers for the software listed but I won't
        sell the computer without the software!

  Direct all inquiries to:
_______________________________________________________________________________
  Payman Parastaran             [e-mail]                 [phone]


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Date: 2 Apr 91 20:35:29 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!
 umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu![e-mail] (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: FTP Beginner's Guide
To: [e-mail]

This is a basic guide to ftp.  It is intended only to get you on your
way to ftp happiness.  Please let me know if you have any comments,
questions, or suggestions.

[e-mail]


                        Jeff Weiner's FTP Basics Vol.1 #1


Part 1: Logging in
To begin an ftp session, the first thing you need to do is log in to our
machine.  You can do this by issuing the 'ftp atari.archive.umich.edu'
command.  You should then see something like this:

Connected to atari.archive.umich.edu.
220 atari.archive.umich.edu FTP server (Version 4.169 Wed Jan 2 17:03:56 EST 199
1) ready.
Name (yourhost.domain.edu:yourusername):

At this prompt you'll want to type 'anonymous'.  On some hosts, the word
'guest' will work, but 'anonymous' is always a sure bet.

If you don't see this login prompt, but instead get something like
'Our host was unable to trace a name back to (some internet address).
 We only accept ftp from properly registered hosts', then you'll have to
ask your sys-admin to properly register your machine in its name servers.
There's nothing we can do on this end, so please don't bother asking.
Also, if your machine doesn't allow you to specify the atari.archive name,
try using out internet address : 141.211.164.8  Then, march down to
your sys-admins office and ask him to install name-service.  Your life will
become much easier.

Assuming you recieved the above prompt, you'll then be asked for a
password.  Use your mail address. For example, I would use
'[e-mail]'


Part 2: Basic Commands
Once you're logged on, there's a few basic commands you'll want to know about.

ls  : lists the names of files of sub-directories in a directory.
ls -C  : Lists the files horizontally, instead of vertically.
dir : does the same thing as ls, but is needed on some other machines
ls -l : A verbose listing of files.  Includes permissions, filesize, etc.
cd  : changes directories (i.e. 'cd atari' would put you in the atari area)
cd .. : Goes 'back up' a directory, to the one you came from.

These are about all you need to get moving around the archive.


Part 3: Getting the Goddies

The main reason you want to ftp in the first place is to quickly transfer
files.  More often than not, you'll want to transfer the files from
the archive to your account.  You can do this using the following commands:

First, find the file you want to download.
Second, issue the command 'type binary'.  This tells our machine that
you'll be transferring a binary file.  This is really important.  You'll
waste a LOT of time if you download files that were not transferred in
binary mode.
Third, issue this command 'get <filename.ext>'.  This will instruct
the archive host to send <filename.ext> to your account.

The last thing you'll want to do is use the 'quit' command.  This
tells our machine you're no longer interested in ftping files, and would
like to go back to your command prompt.

Now, you'll need to download your files from your mainframe(sparc, whatever)
to your ST.  Usually you'll want to use either kermit or x- or y- or z-modem
protocals.  They're very reliable.  I'd be quite hesitant to try something
else.  Also, your machine and ST are usually unique to you.  This means
that I really can't help you with this part.  You could try asking, but
I'm going to promise anything.

Part 4: A Few Words on Net Ettiquette

Net Ettiquette is something that every net user should be aware of.
Relating to ftp, and our archive, it is essentially this:

1)  Try to keep ftp usage to an absolute minimum during business hours,
in our time zone.  That would be 9 am to 5 pm , EST.  This roughly means
upload or download one file or so and little else during these hours.  After
5pm, have a blast.  Go nuts.  We probably won't mind nearly as much.....
Otherwise, we will drive to your campus or place of work (even if you
live in Europe) and we'll kick youe butt.  Or, Jon will sing Prince
songs to you.  Whichever you'd like the least.

2)  If you have a question about some aspect of ftp service or some
other area of your computer, please ask around at your site first.  Don't
immediately fire off all of your questions to us.  I don't mind answering
questions about the archive, problems with logging in, or something
similar.  But I tend to get upset when people ask me questions like,
"Jeff, how come I can't get the fgrep command to work properly on
my sparc station...."

3) Please try to upload files that you know the archive doesn't have.  I
know it's not the greatest thing to do, but if you can find time to
download stuff, I think you can find time to return the favor and
upload things also.


If you have any reasonable questions, any comments or concerns, etc.
please mail them to me, [e-mail].

Thanks,
weiner


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    Mail [e-mail] and ask if he'd like a White Castle
Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?"

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Date: 2 Apr 91 08:15:13 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.c
 om!@arizona.edu (Scott McIntyre)
Subject: Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking...
To: [e-mail]

  I've posted a few bits and pieces lately about the graphics capabilities
of the ST series, but I don't seem to have learned much, so, here are
all my questions....if you can help me, I would greatly appreciate it...

1)      I have a 520 STE (w 4/meg add on)...and the SM 124.  I asked a few
weeks ago about graphics on this kind of system, and a number of people
all suggested that I look into GIF stuff...I have been doing so, downloading
dozens at a time from wuarchive, and viewing them on the PC that does the
downloading - they all look brilliant.  But when I get them home they look
crap.
        Is the usual method of de-giffing a colour (heck, even mono) picture
onto an ST merely the clumping of black and white dots, at a horrendous
resolution?  I know that a lot of effort went into writing these programmes
out there, but it seems amazing to me that on the VGA system (yes, I know
it has better graphics) it can look so amazing, and on my ST it looks like
someone sneezed!  Am I doing something wrong?  I've been using ViewPic which
is very nice for loading gif images, and works in mono or coulour (but looks
bad either way...the colours are all off), but the gray images still look
like nothing more than clever optical illusions...

So...:

2)      Does the STE have gray scales, you know, proper shades of gray, not
just the nearness of black and white pixels?  How can I use these scales?
When I look in magazines I see some AMAZING pictures on SM124s that are
gray, but look as sharp as a photograph!  They ought to!  600 x 400 should
yield fantastic quality...so, where is it?

3)      Is there any source ftpable that has a collection, or even just
a few, of these images?   What might they be called?  What kind of suffixes
will they have?  GR8? GR9?

4)      Is it possible to get Gif images to look remotely nice on a STE?

Thanks in advance for any help that can be given...I just sorta jumped into
the world of the ST without really looking at what it can and cannot do..

Thanks,
Scott


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Date: 2 Apr 91 09:02:11 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!@a
 rizona.edu (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: HELP! Mono monitor died
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ()
 writes:
>
>My SM124 died a few days ago.  I was typing a paper and the screen suddenly
>went blank.  The power light went off, too.  I replaced a blown fuse, but
>every fuse blows out.
>
>Can someone help?  Please?

Again I vote for it being a power supply diode, part of the rectifier bridge,
going short circuit. Part number is IN5402 I think.

>[e-mail]

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Date: 2 Apr 91 18:35:48 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU![e-mail] (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Monitors
To: [e-mail]

 I was wondering if the Multi-Scan monitors are same as multisync.
Because there is a local store here with multi-scan SVGA monitors
1024x768 .28mm for only $380.00, It is a Samsung monitor.  I have also
seen Panasync 1391 monitors as low as $329.00 WOW.  This is not a miss
type price since I thought it was, but it's not.
 The computer prices around Denver Colorado has been very low, I guess
it is due to the low sales, 486 systems are as low as 1800.00 here.
Can someone please tell me what the 486 systems and TT are going for
elsewhere?
I been deciding on getting a TT system, but since the prices are falling
around here, perhaps I should wait.   I already have 486 system, but still
like to have a TT.


                                        Thanks,
                                        Jeff



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Date: 2 Apr 91 08:23:54 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru
 !kth.se!sunic!mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!expya!exua![e-mail]
 (Scott McIntyre)
Subject: NeoDesk v3.0 Desk Pictures
To: [e-mail]

I've got a .pi3 file that I want to make my desktop on NeoDesk, but
when I rename it to Neopic_H.pi3 (as the manual says to do) and
restart, it reverses the black and white of the image....if I double
click on the file it shows up as normal...but when it goes to the
desktop it inverts....why?

How can I fix it, other than changing the b/w of my desktop, which I
don't want to do.

Scott.


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Date: 2 Apr 91 20:46:05 GMT
From: tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk![e-mail]
 (Stephen K Mulrine)
Subject: NoiseTracker v1.5
To: [e-mail]

I checked the April edition of ST Format and saw that NoiseTracker was
advertised by various PD Software companies:
p83   MT Software
p119  Public Dominator
p126  Demo Club ("Noisetracker V1.5 - The latest version with English docs")
p128  LAPD
p130  Wizard PD

Nobody was charging more than #2.50 for it ($5).

Unlike Audio Sculpture, it allows you to save modules.  It also works
perfectly on a 520 - I haven't yet come across a module too big to load.
So, I presume it will soon be verified and available from atari.archive as
noiztrkr.lzh, either in atari/music/ or atari/sound/players.  (Note that
Audio Sculpture has been moved from atari/graphics to the latter directory.)
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Date: 2 Apr 91 11:29:04 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!unido!uniol!Dirk.Rode@ari
 zona.edu (Dirk Rode)
Subject: NOS / KA9Q
To: [e-mail]

Shalom,

 I have 3 questions:

1.) Has anybody a version of the NOS Software (compiled for ST and Source)?
2.) Where can I get a KA9Q Package (with changes for Atari ST)?
3.) Can anybody mail me the address of Phil Karne (who made these
    packages)?

thanks in advance
          mfG Waldi
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 7:35:20 MST
From: Mark Rhyner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Post jammer
To: [e-mail]

Lars-erik -- yes please post that to archive,  that is if it wasn't an April
Fool's jab. :->

Also still looking for either digest archives or the address that was posted
in approx issue 77-97 for U of Cal at Berkeley to get Spice source.

And Ian H -- I haven't forgot your request for the details to write to car-
tridge port (with out the read shenanigans).  I tried to email you but for
some reason this Milnet node can't get out to some hosts (even when you use
the uunet or bitnet gateways).

Mark
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Date: 2 Apr 91 19:17:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!texsun!digi
 ![e-mail] (Roy Gosewehr)
Subject: Problem using HP II P  laserprinter  with 1040 ST
To: [e-mail]

The DeskJet 500 has the same problem.  I installed a _diode_ per the
instructions that someone had posted on GEnie.  The diode works just
fine on the DeskJet and will probably work just fine on the LaserJet
IIp, IMHO.

Roy C. Gosewehr

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 11:00:49 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Reply to Turbo C's Weird Behavior
To: [e-mail]

> Cold anybody explain why Turbo C 2.0 takes a long constant like this:
> ffff8e20 and turns it into -> 8e20  then takes
> 00ff8e20                   -> ffff8e20???

Depending on the situation, the first is usually correct. When a 68000 sees
a short address it sign-extends the address to 32 bits, and $8e20 extended is
$ffff8e20. So, for instance, the following two instructions have the exact
same effect, only the second one is 4 clock cycles slower:

  move.w   d0, $8e20.w
  move.w   d0, $ffff8e20

I'm not quite sure why it would take 0xff8e20 and convert it to 0xffff8e20,
but doing so causes no harm on any 68000 system since the upper 8 bits of an
address are ignored, nor does it cause any harm on the TT/030 because it
treats pages $00 and $ff identically, even though it is a 68030.


Dan Wilga
Gribnif Software
"My other program is also a Porsche"

  Internet: [e-mail]                 P.O. Box 350
     GEnie: GRIBNIF                                        Hadley, MA  01035
New Orders: [phone]   Info/Support: [phone]   Fax: [phone]
                    PLEASE NOTE THE NEW INTERNET ADDRESS

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Date: 2 Apr 91 19:55:29 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hp-col!col![e-mail]
 (Don Allison)
Subject: Sideline Software
To: [e-mail]

/ col:comp.sys.atari.st / [e-mail] (Admiral JC) /  8:27 pm  Apr  1, 1991
 /

>    Hey, quickie question... has anyone out there had any dealings with
>Sideline Software in Florida... I ran across their add in the Mar. Current
>Notes and really liked the prices.  Really liked their prices, really, really
>low... perhaps $20 below nearest competitors on some stuff.  Maybe too low.
>
>    Does this company actually exist and do they actually sell what they
>advetise at what they advertise (14.95 for a game that everyone else has for
>about $32.95 or more).
>
>    Just wondering before I give'em my visa carsd no...

Well, I ordered a copy of Archipelagos from them and they shipped it promptly.
It wasn't as fancy as the original copy of Archipelagos I had (this one had
a box, a disk, and a folded sheet of paper with instructions, such as they
were, while my other copy had a mulitpage stapled manual) but it had everything
you needed (and at about 1/4 the price I paid at my local dealer for my
first copy).

Based on my one experience, I'd order from them again...

Don Allison
[e-mail]

And now for my (slightly related) question:

Has anyone had any luck getting Archipelagos to work at all?  After I bought my
copy from the local dealer, I broke my ST trying to upgrade the memory and
by the time I got it working again and got around to trying Archipelagos, my
dealer had cleaned out the bank and split town, leaving his financier holding
the bag...so when I found it wouldn't boot, I was stuck.  I ordered a new
copy from Sideline, and it has the same behaviour...can't copy it, can't
boot with it, etc....is this a program that broke on upgrading to TOS 1.4?
Is something flakey in my machine?  Or by some remarkable coincidence did I
just get two bad copies of the same program?  (I'm going to call Sideline
and ask for their help, but I thought since the subject came up here, I'd
ask here as well).

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Date: 2 Apr 91 02:55:28 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!snork
 elwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!unido!horga!nathan!ue@ari
 zona.edu (Udo Erdelhoff)
Subject: Telecom program help needed
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Craig L. Stodolenak) writes:

> I just purchased a used 1040 ST and SC1224 about a week ago and have a
> few questions.  Okay, really just one question:  Which telecommunications
> package do you use and why?

Just one word ahead: Go out, sell your SC1224 and get an SM124 instead. Most
comm packages perform best on a monchrome display.
I use Rufus, a german comms package written by Michael Bernhard. It has build
in X- and Y-modem and uses the GRZ/SZ-zodules for zmodem. It's quite fast,
supports all resolutions, including the TT resolutions; uses different fonts
(with GDOS) and has a built in batch interpreter.
Now, why do I use it? It's fast and reliable, it has the best ansi-emulation
I've ever seen and offers a lot of possibilities. It's shareware, the fee is
50 DM, that's 30-35$.
The only problem for your is that Rufus is in German, but i've heard rumors
about an english version floating around...
/s/


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Date: 29 Mar 91 14:49:17 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloo
 m-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis![e-mail]
 (mathew)
Subject: Transatlantic Lynx
To: [e-mail]

A couple of questions...

1) What's the going rate for a new-style Lynx in the US?  I don't mean the
   absolute cheapest price, just the sort of price I could expect to get one
   for by shopping around a little.

2) Is there any difference between the US version of the Lynx and the UK
   version?


mathew
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