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Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon, 13 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue 268

Today's Topics:
                ADDING A HARD DISK TO THE MEGAFILE 44
                                Arcgsh
               GCC-Compiler 1.39 -- Where can I get it?
                          GCC compile error
                     GNU Make troubles:  2 bombs!
              Has anyone heard of these games? (2 msgs)
                         Mega STe Questions.
                      Memory upgrades, overscan.
                      Moniterm Monitor For Sale
                NeoDesk 3.02 upgrade - I can't find it
                             OS-9 for TT
               Prospero Software Distributors - Summary
                              Publishers
                        RLL hard drives cheap!
                                 SALE
                           TOS Command Line
                     Window_close bombs (2 msgs)

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Date: Tue, 14 May 91 09:55:26 SST
From: "S. Suthipuntha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ADDING A HARD DISK TO THE MEGAFILE 44
To: [e-mail]

Hello,

I am trying to add another haard disk to my MegaFile 44 hard disk without
success.

The bracket, power line and LED are all provided inside the Megafile44 box from
the factory and there is an extra SCSI jack (J3) on the DMA>SCSI board as well.

The Sysquest Removable HD is connected to another SCSI Jack (J2) and I assumed
that the J3 must be for the additional hard disk.

What I would like to have is to use the new drive (Miniscribe 8425) as the 1st
drive storing programs and use the existing Syquest 44 for storing data or for
backing up programs.

Few things still unclear to me which are:

1. What SCSI address should I set for each HD?(One kindly suggested that I must
   set both HD at SCSI 0)
2. Do I have to remove the terminators from one of the HD? if so which one?

3. Should I use the SCSI Jack J3 to connect one of the HD? (I have tried this
   but it did not work) or I have to fabricate a new SCSI cable with 2 connec-
   tors and link both Hard disk  together then connect them to SCSI Jack J2
   which originally used by Syquest Hard disk?

4. What Jack J3 is provided for?

Any information will be most appreciated.

Suthipuntha, School of Architecture, National University of Singapore
             [e-mail]

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Date: 13 May 91 15:40:38 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!emory!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.d
 e!unido!laura!tommy![e-mail] (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Arcgsh
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] writes:
|> Well I do hope we get better support for LZH. ie. like  support for
|> lzh11318, or with the possibility to select the command line for the
|> different LZH's.

Oh, well, yes, I hope that someday we get a single LHarc everybody can
agree on. Surely Arcgsh will support it. I am really frustrated about those
many different incompatible versions and won't support the whole bunch.


|> I have fould some problems Arcgsh with ZOO, things did not work and
|> ended up using ZooBoy

Could you please give me some details about your problem? It works pretty
fine for me.

--
  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      [e-mail]
  Univ. Dortmund, IRB             [e-mail], [e-mail]
  Postfach 500500         |)|/    Tel.: [phone]
D-4600 Dortmund 50        |\|\    Fax : [phone]

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Date: 13 May 91 20:47:45 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!netcomsv![e-mail]
 (Roy Bixler)
Subject: GCC-Compiler 1.39 -- Where can I get it?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>
 [e-mail] (Patzel Martin) writes:
>Does someone know where I can ftp a complete package of the gcc 1.39
>compiler for the Atari-ST/TOS?
>
>I've downloaded a package from terminator.cc.umich.edu, but there
>only gcc-cc1 has the version number 1.39. The gcc command has 1.37.
>Gdb and sym-ld are missing. Who can help?

If you downloaded 'gcc139b.zoo' from 'gnustuff', everything should
have the correct version number.

>
>Martin
>
>-----
>Martin Patzel            preferred: [e-mail]
>Promenadeweg 15               fido: Martin Patzel @ 2:241/7902.3
>D-7905 Dietenheim 1          other: [e-mail]
>                            bitnet: [e-mail]


--
Roy Bixler
[e-mail] -or- (UUCP) uunet!apple!netcom!rcb
"Just when you think you know it all, it changes!"

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Date: 13 May 91 14:23:53 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!dbng
 md13!dmswwu1c![e-mail] (Ulrich Kuehn)
Subject: GCC compile error
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says:
>
>   After downloading the gcc compiler and getting very thing ready,  I came
>across another problem.  When I type in gulam gcc -v hello.c, I get an error:
>
>can't find d:\tmp/cc100000.s
>
>or something like that.  gcc created a file that has a slash in the filename
>which does not exist how can i fix this error.
>
Did you create the directory d:\tmp?

U.Kuehn

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Date: 13 May 91 17:18:35 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!laas![e-mail] (Ralph P. Sobek)
Subject: GNU Make troubles:  2 bombs!
To: [e-mail]

I am trying to use GNU Make in order to control a LaTeX document.
This is GNU make v. 3.54 that comes off of atari.archive.  The same
Makefile works on my Sun SPARC, but gives 2 bombs on my Mega 4 ST.
The Makefile replaces .SUFFIXES to be LaTex/TeX specific.  It also
uses sub-directories:

PARAGRAPHS = $(patsubst %,$(DIR_P)/%.tex, $(PARAGRAPHS_LIST))

The rule that GNU make has trouble with seems to be the following:

%.bbl : %.bib $(DIR_P)/%.tex
        -bibtex $*
        if egrep -s "~(There were .* error messages)$$" $*.blg  ; then \
                touch $< ; fi

$DIR_P has the value "acm".  When GNU make is run with -d it sees that
it should check in the subdirectory.  But when wanting to do the
implicit dependencies for foobar.bbl, which are foobar.bib and
acm/foobar.tex, it tries also to look for either acm/SCCS/foobar.tex
or acm/RCS/foobar.tex.  Immediately: 2 bombs!  Earlier, it checked for
SCCS/foobar.tex and RCS/foobar.tex and coninued without aborting.

The problem might be the double directory structure.  Has anybody else
used GNUMAKE for LaTeX and friends?  Also, this GNUMAKE came with GCC
1.35 or 1.36.  Maybe a more recent version is necessary.

Thanks to all,

--
Ralph P. Sobek                    Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
[e-mail]                              Addresses are ordered by importance.
[e-mail], or ...!uunet!laas!ralph
If all else fails, try:                               [e-mail]
===============================================================================
Proud owner of a Mega 4 ST.  Wishing it was a Mega STe!  :-|

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Date: 13 May 91 12:12:40 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.
 oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix![e-mail]
Subject: Has anyone heard of these games?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Troy Carpenter)
 writes:
> I was wondering if Wing Commander is available for the ST, or anything like
 it.
> I am sure it can be done, has anyone ever seen this game on a PC?  It is
 really
> cool looking with great animation and great gameplay...been wanting to get a
> copy for my ST...However it takes up over 5 meg of hard disk space...
>
>
>                                 Troy Carpenter
>                         Department of Computer Sciences
>                         THE University of Texas, Austin
>                               [e-mail]
>
> "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor
>
> *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*

Well I did have a English Mag around here with a Review of it...
--
Roger W. Sheppard   85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...

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Date: 13 May 91 13:17:01 GMT
From: atha!aunro!ersys![e-mail] (Greg Granger)
Subject: Has anyone heard of these games?
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Troy Carpenter) writes:

> I was wondering if Wing Commander is available for the ST, or anything like i
> I am sure it can be done, has anyone ever seen this game on a PC?  It is real
> cool looking with great animation and great gameplay...been wanting to get a
> copy for my ST...However it takes up over 5 meg of hard disk space...
>
>
>                                 Troy Carpenter
>                         Department of Computer Sciences
>                         THE University of Texas, Austin
>                               [e-mail]
>
> "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor
>
> *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


It was stated in ST Report a few issues ago, by Origin Systems (makers of
WC), that an ST version is *not* being planned in the near future.  You
could also imagine my horror & disappointment when I heard that.  I
wanted so badly to see that game on the ST also.  Que sera, sera!

Greg Granger

| INet:  ersys![e-mail]           |
| Fnet:  Greg Granger (Node 532) Dark Knight (Node 595)|
| Post:  5906-188 Street  Edmonton, AB  Canada T6M-2A9 |
| Tele:  [phone]  OR  [phone]          |

Greg Granger              ersys![e-mail]
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Serving Northern Alberta since 1982

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Date: 9 May 91 05:37:03 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.
 csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!mnetor!intacc![e-mail] (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Mega STe Questions.
To: [e-mail]

I bought my MEGA STe (4 MEG RAM/50 MEG HARD DRIVE) April 2 here in Toronto.
I used to have an old 1040ST (TOS 1.0) and calculated that it would have cost
me the same money to upgrade my memory (pre-SIMMS) and buy a hard drive as it
would buying a brand new MEGA STe.  Now I have brand new TOS, double speed
processor and blitter as a bonus.
I would have bought a TT030 but Notator doesn't run on it yet.  However,
 Calamus(amazing DTP program) is very fast on my MEGA STe compared to the 1040ST
 so all
is not so bad.
There is another thread which asks the question: Is a high res mouse better than
the stock Atari mouse?  Well I gotta tell you that the difference is night and
day.  My Golden Image GI-250 mouse takes all the sluggishness out of GEM.
Clicking is way easier and accurate.  Obviously I don't mean that GEM itself is
improved; it's just that it SEEMS THAT WAY.  I always admired the smooth MAC
desktop-mousing around compared to the Atari.  Now it's BETTER than a MAC--the
feel that is.  Spend hundreds and hundreds on a computer--why not treat
 yourselfto an excellent $75 (Canadian $) mouse?

   ferenc

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Date: 13 May 91 11:12:39 GMT
From: VMS.HUJI.AC.IL![e-mail] (ERAN MEGIDO)
Subject: Memory upgrades, overscan.
To: [e-mail]

take up so much. I have an old 1040 ST and an old 520 ST 1 mb and 512 k
 respectivly.
I would like to upgrade both thought the 1040 is a priority. My question is
which memory chips does the Atari ST use? I can get my hands on the bare chips.
Would I need a board or can I pggyback or is there room on the motherboard?
I need the chip type/nums too if anyone out there has them.
Secondly does anyone out there have Overscan installed with the actual
hardware modification? Is it worth it? What exactly does it do? And are there
any side effects possible? Could something end up not working or not displaying
write. I understand it is is irriversable. Is it perhhaps possible to install
a switch if there is any worry? I sit worht it is the bottom line?
Thats it for now. I know I will have more questiopns later...
Thanks in advance ...
Please, if possible, reply via Email it is much better for me. Thanks.
Adress:
[e-mail]
ERan Megiddo

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Date: 13 May 91 20:13:09 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.e
 du!linac!unixhub!stanford.edu!msi.umn.edu!umeecs![e-mail] (Richard
 Scott Hall)
Subject: Moniterm Monitor For Sale
To: [e-mail]

I recently acquired a TT030, but unfortunately, my beloved
19" Moniterm will not work with it, so I must sell it to
get a large screen TT monitor.

        The Moniterm is 1280 x 960,
        it requires a Mega,
        and TOS 1.4.
        (graphics card included)

        Asking $1000, list price $2000...reasonable offers
        accepted, but I reserve the right to refuse any offer.

        Shipping not included.

For anyone wondering, trust me, it is worth it, I paid a lot
more and still thought it was worth it, I can't live without
it now, that is why I want one for my TT...

Richard Hall
University of Michigan
--

Standard disclaimer:  I am not me, I am who you think you are...
                      so don't blame me.

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Date: 13 May 91 08:54:34 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!unido!gmdzi![e-mail] (Stefan Focke)
Subject: NeoDesk 3.02 upgrade - I can't find it
To: [e-mail]

Hello,

I examined some directories at atari.archive but I didn't find
PATCH302.xxx. The file New3 (?) says, that it is in utilities/desktop
but it isn't.

So, is it posssible, that anyone makes this file available?

Thanks
   Stefan



-------------------------------------------------------------------

Stefan Focke                  Tel. [phone]
GMD-Z2.W                      e-mail: [e-mail]
Postfach 1240                         [e-mail]
5205 St. Augustin 1                   ...!{uunet!mcvax!}unido!gmdzi!focke

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Date: 13 May 91 12:24:10 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!titan![e-mail] (e4ct22)
Subject: OS-9 for TT
To: [e-mail]

At our school, we work with OS-9 for the Atari-ST. In the near future,
we want to upgrade to the Atari-TT.
The OS-9 version we use doesn't work on our TT-030/4.
Has anybody got experience with OS-9 for the TT or an adress for a
TT version ?

Mischa Koning
    and
Bart van Schie

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Date: 13 May 91 16:39:37 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!alberta!arcsun.arc.ab.ca!e
 [e-mail] (Bob Erkamp)
Subject: Prospero Software Distributors - Summary
To: [e-mail]

Here is all the information I was able to acquire.

Bob

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From:        Prospero Software <[e-mail]>

The latest versions are 2.153 for Fortran, and 1.144 for C. Both fix
all known 'incompatibilities' that occurred with TOS 1.4

The cost of updating to the current versions is 30 UK pounds, and the
master disks will need to be returned with payment (either by a
cheque drawn on a UK bank or by credit card) to the address below.

Regards
Paul Hargreaves.

Prospero Software Ltd.
190 Castelnau
London
SW13 9DH
England.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:        Stephen Harold Goldstein <[e-mail]>

From the back of their Autumn 1989 newsletter:

Prospero Software Inc
100 Commercial Street, Suite 306
Portland, ME 04101 USA
[phone]
[phone] (FAX)

In Canada, 2 distributors/dealers were also listed:

PBO Development                    Rosoft Distribution
1847 Baile Street, Montreal, PQ    3862 Lonsdale Avenue, N Vancouver,
Canada H3H 1PS                     BC, Canada V7N 3K6
[phone]                     [phone]

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I have called the US # and it has been disconnected. I then called PBO
Development and they do still handle Prospero Software though if you didn't buy
it from them they recommend you deal with Prospero UK directly. I don't know the
status of Rosoft Distribution. Also PBO Development says that Prospero doesn't
currently have a US Distributor and that Prospero is currently in a state of
transition with regard to their North American distributors. Looks to me the
best bet is to deal directly with Prospero UK for the time being.

Bob

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Date: 13 May 91 03:24:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!unixhub!ditk
 a!zinn![e-mail] (Kenn Goutal)
Subject: Publishers
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David M.
 Baggett) writes:
>[I'm posting the following on behalf of Michal Jaegermann
><[e-mail]>, who gets c.s.a.st through a digest. - dmb]
>From: Michal Jaegermann <[e-mail]>
>
>Jim Omura (lsuc!jimomura) posted recently in c.s.a.s. long diatribe
>against different forms of software you can find on usenet, different
>archives and bbs's.  He is definitely against stuff where copyright
>notice is included and somehow managed to convey a feeling that
>nets are ripping him off.
>
> [details edited out --Kenn]
>
>   Michal Jagermann
>   [e-mail]

Oh, I didn't get that "feeling" at all.
The message I got was that his impression is that he cannot expect to make
a living (or even a part of one) by distributing products as shareware
because of the preponderence of individuals who feel no compunctions about
paying the author for the software they use and because of the preponderence
of individuals who feel no compunctions about distributing shareware in
ways that make it hard to tell what's shareware, what's freeware, and
what's public domain.

I gather that there are some authors who even today manages to defray
a small part of their development costs from shareware revenues,
but I also gather that that is less true today than it was for a while,
and in any case that quite a different story from meeting costs and
exceeding them enough to buy a sandwich or two.
So, my impression accords with what I believe is his impression.

This is not at all to say that "the nets are ripping [people] off".
As long as one understands from the outset that the ground rules only
allow for posting stuff pro bono, and posts stuff with that understanding,
one is not being ripped off.  One who does not understand that, well,
is still not being ripped off, but is caught in a misconception.

What's disconcerting to me that while I can understand that Usenet
*cannot* be used as a vehicle for commercial enterprise, but *must*
be maintained as a pro bono vehicle, there is no reason why this
should be true of the commercial systems such as CIS, GEnie, etc,
yet this seems to be the case.  That is, there does *not* seem to
be a commercial system which can be used as a vehicle for marketing
and selling software products.  (Jim's article and maybe one of the
followups mentioned STart and a couple other systems.  I know nothing
about them.  Maybe one or more of them fulfills this need.)

-- Kenn Goutal

CompuServe:     71117.2572              (PARTI handle: kenn)
GEnie:          K.GOUTAL
Internet:       [e-mail]   or   [e-mail]
[The] PO!NT:    kenn
Telepath:       kenn
UUCP:           ...decvax!zinn!kenn  or ...decvax!zinn!rr!kenn

+-----------------------------------------------------------+
|  Ship and Travel Intermodally -- Commute Electronically!  |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: 13 May 91 12:47:37 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!xanth!cs
 .odu.edu![e-mail] (Chris Carpinello)
Subject: RLL hard drives cheap!
To: [e-mail]

Kalok (KL-330) 32 Meg RLL hard drive.  3.5", half-height,
  Slightly used (only

Seagate (157-R) 49 Meg RLL hard drive.  3.5", half-height,
  _NEVER USED_ (still in it's original box).  $175.

I will ship these to anywhere in the continental US for free.  I guarantee
that they will work upon arrival.

(Note:  The Kalok is *full* of utilities, accessories & programming
        applications for the Atari ST.)
==============================================================================
Chris Carpinello ([e-mail])   ///   Peace, Love, and NO CENSORSHIP
"Of all possible worlds, we only got one, we got to ride on it"__Grateful Dead

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Date: 13 May 91 08:54:13 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU![e-mail] (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: SALE
To: [e-mail]

 Must sell my atari moniters.
 SC1224 ............ $235
 SC124  ............ $125
 or Both ........... $325

 Must sell both, sell each or both.
 [phone]
 The SC1224 is the JVC model.
 The SC124 is 5 months old.

 Avatex 1200 modem external ..... $40.00

                                                Jeff
                                                [e-mail]

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Date: 13 May 91 09:54:34 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!dbngmd13!dmswwu
 1c![e-mail] (Julian F. Reschke)
Subject: TOS Command Line
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Allan Pratt) says:
>[stuff deleted]
>XARG may or may not be endorsed by Atari Germany, but nobody here at Atari
>in Sunnyvale (to my knowledge) has endorsed it.  The reason I hate it is
>that you have to poke through your parent's data space to find your
>arguments, and that is a no-no.  It will be a much bigger no-no when memory
>protection and/or virtual memory come along.  ARGV has no such problems.
>
>I don't know where the ARGV spec is -- I'll try to dig up a copy of it
>and post it again.
>
>============================================
>Opinions expressed above do not necessarily     -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
>reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else.      ...ames!atari!apratt

To clear up the confusion:

(1) The only extended argument passing scheme ever supported by Atari Germany
    is the ARGV specification from Ken Badertscher.
(2) Gemini 1.0 used Dale Schumachers xArgs methode, because at that time there
    was no other method.
(3) Newer Gemini versions use ARGV (as documented by Atari Corp.). xArgs is
    maintained for backward compatibility with older tools.
(4) The Gemini distribution contains the official ARGV documentation in
    sample\exarg.doc. This, I agree, should be 'ARGV.DOC'. Sigh!

___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: [e-mail],    slow: [e-mail] (++49 251 77216)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________

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Date: 10 May 91 22:47:47 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u!dsinc!bagate!asi!disc.dla.mil!dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire.
 wright.edu!cse0507@arizona.
Subject: Window_close bombs
To: [e-mail]

    Wanna know how to bomb TOS 1.4 (and maybe others)?  Put two
windows on the screen, and click the close box on the top one three times
EXTREMELY quickly.  I can just get in three clicks before AES (or whoever)
says it's not there anymore.  Bam.  Top window closes, lower gets the
raise signal.  Bam.  It closes.  Boomity boom boom, can't close any more
windows, can we?
     Seriously, has anybody else been able to do this?  I'm using the
(much-maligned) Naksha mouse, with the double click speed and key rates
cranked way up, and I can usually only do it when I've got a few liters
of caffiend in me :-).  Standard desktop, 2.5 megs, and a rev. c 520.  Is
it me, or is it memorex?  If anybody out there has dug into the ROMs, like
say one of the programmers of TOS (hi a.p.), what happens internally when
there's another close window event on a valid close box, *but when the time
comes to close it, IT AIN'T THERE?
     Flames off, please.  Come visit me and I'll demo it for you (and I'll spend
the next six hours unborrowing sody pop :-).
                            Bob The Schulze

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Date: 13 May 91 23:34:25 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u![e-mail] (Ryk E Spoor)
Subject: Window_close bombs
To: [e-mail]

        I only have two questions: (1) why would you WANT to bomb your
machine?
        (2) Why would you click three times in the first place?
Everything I know works with one or two clicks.

        This strikes me as entertainment for those who couldn't
afford Dungeon Master or something...

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