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Info-Atari16 Digest         Tue, 26 Nov 91       Volume 91 : Issue 619

Today's Topics:
                       *CHEAP* memory upgrade?
          Atari Chicago Show...if you want details Mail me.
           Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there? (3 msgs)
                             Binkley 3.0
                             Binkley ST ?
                            CS_TeX Update
                     GEM multitasking under MiNT?
                   HD-Disks on ST was RE:WD1772 IC
               How do I change a floppy serial number?
                       How good is Hippo C ????
                        Message to Julian Bean
                   Mint boots Gem from wrong drive
                             MULTITASKING
                 OXYD, OXYD2, SPACOLA and TOS country
                     Somebody's windowing system
                         Spectrum 512........
                 STACY 4 WANTED! Gear for sale/trade!

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Date: 25 Nov 91 22:00:35 GMT
From: hpl-opus!hpnmdla!hpsad![e-mail] (Randy Hosler)
Subject: *CHEAP* memory upgrade?
To: [e-mail]

  A couple months back I saw a note about a real cheap memory upgrade board
  that was advertized in Current Notes.  It cost about $45.  Has anyone tried
  it?  I would like any information I can get.

  Thanks,
  Randy (cheapskate net user ;-) Hosler

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Date: 26 Nov 91 19:06:33 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.pri
 mate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu![e-mail] (Gregory Carter)
Subject: Atari Chicago Show...if you want details Mail me.
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Patrick
 Haggood) writes:
>I just got back from the ATARI show in Chicago,; got to see the Atari
>Unix box up close and personal.  Let me tell you; IT IS REAL PRETTY!
>I have a few questions for any owners of this machine out there, and
>would appreciate corresponding with you about developing X applications
>on this machine.  Please email me either here or at the GENIE address
>below.  Thanks in advance.
>
>--
>Genie    - P.HAGGOOD2                      Internet [e-mail]
>PRODIGY  - Not anymore, Jackson.           Bitnet   - phaggoo@waynest1
>Phone    - [phone]
>Voice    - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!"

Well, the UNIX was rather interesting.  I say I WAS AGHAST Atari was
there in such STAFF NUMBERS...

When I seen the Unix, I thought another machine was running it!  But,
it appears that they do have a beta version with X, along with Atari's
own version of a widget toolset, for user interface construction and
rapid prototyping.

It looked complete, but it was a BIT slow.  I don't think a TT is something
you would want to run X on for serious applications...

Now if someone made an accelerator, with a 40Mhz, or 50Mhz 030
it would probably be fine.  (MR. SMALL incidentally couldn't make it...
rumor has it he had a cold...flu bug.  I hope your feeling better Dave.)

They also were showing a VME card for ethernet..which would cost $350.00
for developers I think.

They also were showing a 24 bit color VME card, which looked promising
for about $799.00 for TT/MEga STE's.

All these cards were interesting, but can YOU BUY THEM. ???  Atari says
YES, I say NO.

I bought Multi-GEM 1.02 which seemed to have matured a little bit since
the DOGGY 1.0 version that I had seen.  Unfortuneately, my software
doesn't work with MultiGEM, which made me sort of depressed as its just
yet another environment to support...and it looks like its HERE TO STAY.
(I also have to add GEM calls to my nice CLEAN TOS code...ICKY UCKY OOOO.)
(Kiss portability GOOD BYE...Smooch)

Many people bought many copies of this product...it went like HOT CAKES,
and the upgrade policy is second to NONE.  But I suppose thats because
its a European Company...(Remik Enterprises).  I am always impressed
with German/UK Software developers.  Hard Working folks they ARE.

As soon as I DISECT Multi GEM, I'll give a more technical review of the
product and whether or not in my opinion we should bother with it.
And perhaps some things too look out for in supporting TWO Multitasking
Pre-emptive systems for the ST...Get out your Turbo Debuggers people...
(ie MiNT better alternative...????)

I was not impressed with what Atari had to say, its simply more BS to me,
but I was impressed about how they seemed to have EVERYONE there of importance
and, they seem to have gotten a public image face lift..since the NIel
Harris days.  I found that interesting.

The Notebook.  What can I say about it?  Its interesting, the display
is nice, not great but nice.  The form factor is very good.  Would I buy
one though?  Probably not, its neato.  But the business software for
the ST is very poor, so I would recommend a DOS notebook.  Who would
use something like this?  It would be GREAT for students...do your CS
homework ANYWHERE you want (Turbo C).  It may be good for limited use as
a word processor.  I didn't get a chance, but IT MIGHT be a good MAC
portable with a redesigned GCR specifically for it.  I might buy one
if I could use it for Mac portability.  (Then of course you open up
the business oportunities and some serious possibilities...)

Its a great What if...product though.

Let me see, who else was there?  Gosh TONS of Lynx games comming out people.
I almost bought a Lynx, the new one with sound.  Appearently, the old Lynx
is better designed, structurally...but not as efficient with power as the
new Lynx's, with stereo sound.  So you should get a little extra more
battery life out of your latest model Lynx...and of course the newer Lynx's
have the ability for you power down the backlighting, to save energy.
Too many games to list comming out, but everyone WON'T be disappointed though.

Atari's game machine.  Its suppose to be 32-64 bit game system.  Probably
cost between $200.00-$275.00, and is suppose to set the video game
industry on ear....look for it around April, or March next year.

Mmmmm....well, we shall see...or maybe we won't!

What was really fascinating was a new word processing program, that was
clearly a new paradigm shift completely in how we should edit and look at
text on the screen.  It was very fast too.  You could grab words and
whole blocks of text and simply interactively, move them two any position
you liked....I am at work, and don't have the flyer handy, but if your
interested write me and I will fill you in.

Defineately gets the most innovative award for new product.

No 030 vendors at the show.  This was a BIG disappointment.  Obviously the
hardware upgrade market, is very limiting on the ST..only two vendors to
choose from for 32 bit processor upgrades, and none of them offer a 040
alternative...thats really gonna hurt Atari UNIX.

Yours truly won an XE Game system as a door prize.  I wasn't overjoyed,
mainly because they were selling them in DROVES for $25 bucks a package.

I think the factory that made those probably exploded somewhere and
thats why they have some many of them to sell so cheaply..and give away.

Well, all in all a rather interesting show.  Many more people were there.
Lots of great deals on computer equipment at the swap floor, and vendors
were selling tons of software for $5-$2000 range...I think most of them
were laughing all the way to the bank.  Best Electronics was there with
lots of nice deals...(Could buy a replacement chip though for my Mega STE's
VIDEO and sound problems though...)...

Atari was there in full force, they supported vendors probably for the
first time with any kind of machine requirements they needed.

VERY UNUSUAL show.  I enjoyed it very much.

Look forward to the next one!


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          ONLY 8 months to go for State tournee - Kick Butt Time!
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Date: 26 Nov 91 10:20:43 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!milano
 !cactus.org![e-mail] (Richard Covert)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Patrick
 Haggood) writes:
>I just got back from the ATARI show in Chicago,; got to see the Atari
>Unix box up close and personal.  Let me tell you; IT IS REAL PRETTY!
>I have a few questions for any owners of this machine out there, and
>would appreciate corresponding with you about developing X applications
>on this machine.  Please email me either here or at the GENIE address
>below.  Thanks in advance.
>
>--
>Genie    - P.HAGGOOD2                      Internet [e-mail]
>PRODIGY  - Not anymore, Jackson.           Bitnet   - phaggoo@waynest1
>Phone    - [phone]
>Voice    - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!"


I have developed under a half dozen different UNIX machines in the lasst ten
 years. All the way back to the original AT&T 3B2 when I worked at Bell Labs.

I have to wonder just how serious a UNIX workstation is if it is from Atari.

First, the TT is a bit underpowered seeing as how it is basically just
a 16MHz 68030. Oh I know the CPU is running at 32MHz but the I/O buss
is still 16MHz and UNIX is VERY I/O intensive (can you say disk swapping?).

Also, their UNIX X Windows pack requires the $1,000 monochrome monitor
as the native TT color resolutions aren't high enough to support decent
X Windows.

And Atari is shipping the GNU compilers, which while excellent are NOT
commerically supported compilers. Try getting technical support if the
compiler breaks and you don't have access to USENET. Do you want to spend
your precious development time debugging your development tools or
writing your project? Thats why you need professional, commerically
supported compilers and debuggers.

But hay, pay out the $6 to $8 grand that an Atari Sys V development
system would cost. I would rather pay the same bucks and buy a Mac IIFX
with Apple's A/UX. At least I know Apple will be around for awhile!!

--
Richard E. Covert                 [e-mail]
CACTUS                  ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert

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Date: 26 Nov 91 14:09:26 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax![e-mail] (Jan Timm)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard Covert) writes:

   And Atari is shipping the GNU compilers, which while excellent are NOT
   commerically supported compilers. Try getting technical support if the
   compiler breaks and you don't have access to USENET. Do you want to spend
   your precious development time debugging your development tools or
   writing your project? Thats why you need professional, commerically
   supported compilers and debuggers.

   But hay, pay out the $6 to $8 grand that an Atari Sys V development
   system would cost. I would rather pay the same bucks and buy a Mac IIFX
   with Apple's A/UX. At least I know Apple will be around for awhile!!

But on the other hand: You'll never get any GNU Software for your Max IIFX
then :-) !!!

Jan
--
mail: Jan-G. Timm                               email: [e-mail]
      Sulzbachstr.1                                    [e-mail]
      D-6600 Saarbruecken
      West-Germany

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Date: 26 Nov 91 14:15:28 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1!ttinfo@ar
 izona.edu (Markus Wenzel)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard Covert) writes:
>
>First, the TT is a bit underpowered seeing as how it is basically just
>a 16MHz 68030. Oh I know the CPU is running at 32MHz but the I/O buss
>is still 16MHz and UNIX is VERY I/O intensive (can you say disk swapping?).

Think of other possible Unix computers at the same price, and then you
would not find the TT underpowered. I would never give my TT away for
a 386 or 486 clone or a low cost Mac. Macs with the same performance are
three times as expensive.

>But hay, pay out the $6 to $8 grand that an Atari Sys V development
>system would cost. I would rather pay the same bucks and buy a Mac IIFX
>with Apple's A/UX. At least I know Apple will be around for awhile!!

I don't know where you can buy a IIfx for the same price as an ASV
development system. Maybe there are some differences between Germany and
the USA, but out here the IIfx costs twice as much. But keep your
hands off A/UX, Version 2.x is simply unbearable, and the 3.0 version
I saw a few days ago crashed as often as System 7 :-)
I wouldn't buy expensive computers like that if their OS is that buggy.

Get ASV, if you can - me, I can't!

Markus.

* /dev/                Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart  *
* /usr/spool/mail/     [e-mail]             *
* /usr/voice/private/  [phone]                       *
* /bin/ps -l           TT admin on rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /etc/motd            >> We'll meet in /dev/null ...8-) <<    *

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 10:00:44 CET
From: Jan Kriesten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Binkley 3.0
To: [e-mail]

Hello - esp. Steven Green!

   It's nice to hear that Binkley 3.0 is
   coming up soon. I just like Binkley
   and would like it if you can tell me
   when finished the new release. I'm
   engaged to the fidonet, too. Just
   tell me to which node I can mail to
   you!
   I've known it for a long time -
   MS-DOS-Computer are ... :-)) !

              Jan ;-))))

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Date: 26 Nov 91 00:06:36 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!isc-br!
 ewu![e-mail] (Chuck Aude)
Subject: Binkley ST ?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>I have heard Binkley ST (apparently it's a BBS program) is PD.
>
>If so, does anyone have a copy / comments on this software?

BinkleyTerm is a front end mailer used with any BBS system to access networks
based on FidoNet technology.  It is widely used on both IBM and Atari systems,
is PD and is currently undergoing a major upgrade.  The current version for the
IBM is 2.50 and the current version for the Atari is 2.41-beta15.  Once the
Atari version is completed it will be version 3.00.  Both the IBM and Atari
versions are DLable @ cyberSecT BBS [phone] and include over 200 pages
of documentation.  You may also FREQ them at 1:346/18.0 if you have access to
a FidoNet linked BBS.

                                Chuck Aude
                                SysOp, cyberSecT BBS

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Binkley ST ?
Summary:
Expires:
References: <[e-mail]>
Sender:
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Chuck Aude)
Followup-To:
Distribution:
Organization: Eastern Washington University, Cheney WA.
Keywords: bbs

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>I have heard Binkley ST (apparently it's a BBS program) is PD.
>
>If so, does anyone have a copy / comments on this software?

BinkleyTerm is a front end mailer used with any BBS system to access networks
based on FidoNet technology.  It is widely used on both IBM and Atari systems,
is PD and is currently undergoing a major upgrade.  The current version for the
IBM is 2.50 and the current version for the Atari is 2.41-beta15.  Once the
Atari version is completed it will be version 3.00.  Both the IBM and Atari
versions are DLable @ cyberSecT BBS [phone] and include over 200 pages
of documentation.  You may also FREQ them at 1:346/18.0 if you have access to
a FidoNet linked BBS.

                                Chuck Aude
                                S

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Date: 26 Nov 91 13:37:42 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax![e-mail] (Jan Timm)
Subject: CS_TeX Update
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ralph P. Sobek)
 writes:

   In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Piet van
 Oostrum) writes:
   |
   | Thanks. Wouldn't it be better if someone ata atari.archive merged these?

   No!  Since then they would overflow a 720k floppy:

   -rw-r--r--  1 ralph      237697 Nov 12 17:20 CS_210a.zoo
   -rw-r--r--  1 ralph      604388 Nov 12 17:47 CS_210b.zoo

I think the original author (Piet van Oostrum) meant to merge the update
archives with the rest of the distribution. The contents of the update just
replace some parts of the original distribution.


Jan

--
mail: Jan-G. Timm                               email: [e-mail]
      Sulzbachstr.1                                    [e-mail]
      D-6600 Saarbruecken
      West-Germany

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 17:37:57 mez
From: Michael Hohmuth <[e-mail]>
Subject: GEM multitasking under MiNT?
To: [e-mail]

Karl Anders Oygard writes:

> Having thought about making GEM programs multitask under MiNT, I came
> to think of a slightly different approach to the problem. Instead of
> trying to have GEM handle calls from several programs, one could write
> a shell that catches all vdi calls etc. and takes care of it itself.
>
> This way, when a GEM program would try to open a window, the shell would
> catch the call and open a window itself. This way, GEM would only see
> one program and not get confused about it.
>
> [.....]
>
> Apart from that, you would have to write a shell similar to the one   [ !! ]
> that comes with MultiGem to redirect output from tos programs into    [ !! ]
> a window as well.                                                     [ !! ]
>
> [.....]
>
>Anyone want to have a go at it?

Yes, there is one!

I just had the same idea some days ago - and a part of the source text
(assembler / c) is ready already. And - of course - this program (title for
now: PRAX) will be (not public domain but) free.

But there is a problem I encountered: I haven't found yet a way of handling the
booted accessories (cause they are no real MiNT processes (I just do not know
what they are from MiNT's point of view; they from time to time are called by
AES which is called by the active process - so they always seem to be part of
the active process). But I hope this will be solved soon (the simplest but also
worst solution is to forbid accessories; another idea is to start a background
process that cares for them). (By the way: Does anybody know in which cases AES
switches from the current AES-process to another one? Only if a process calles
one of the evnt_-routines?)

However - is there anyboudy out there wanting to write a vt52 emulator shell
(see the lines marked with [ !! ] above) ? It should be re-entrant (is that
right spelled?) so that we could launch several processes using it with only
one code copy kept in memory.

Please -- you may ask me all questions concerning this project but none
concerning the date of releasing the first distribution and none concerning my
use of the English language (I'm just learning it...).

That's all for today. Good bye.

Michael Hohmuth

internet: [e-mail]
X.400:    C=DE; A=dbp; P=TU-DRESDEN; OU=INFORMATIK; OU=serv1; S=hohmuth;

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Date: 26 Nov 91 14:39:07 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!irau
 l1!telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de![e-mail]
Subject: HD-Disks on ST was RE:WD1772 IC
To: [e-mail]

It also works without cooling the WD1772 down, but it must be a chip with the
 code WD 1772 02-02 others don't work properly, after you got this, what now?
You should change the clock of the WD to 16Mhz when using a HD-Disk (of course
 you need a HD-Floppy, I'd prefer the TEAC FD235HF). Then You need a logic to
 change between 16 and 8 Mhz Clock depending on the state of the floppies
 HD-OUT-Signal. If You're interested in more a must look up the circuit at home
 before.

Stephan

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Date: 26 Nov 91 08:32:37 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.phy
 sics.uiowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu![e-mail] (Kenneth W
 Samson)
Subject: How do I change a floppy serial number?
To: [e-mail]

I am in search of a simple utility that will allow me to
change the serial number of a disk to a value that I choose.

Surely someone out there uses one.

I am currently using a sector editor, and would like to know
if there is utility to do the same in a safer manner.

Thanks.

            Ken

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Date: 26 Nov 91 10:13:59 GMT
From:
 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org![e-mail]
 (Richard Covert)
Subject: How good is Hippo C ????
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>Well COMPUTE! BOOKS have a few resonable Books for the Atari, even a C
>>one from what I have heard..
>
>>So there are Books available for the Atari..
>
>More correctly, COMPUTE! Books *used to have* a few reasonable books for
>the Atari...   they've been discontinued.
>
>ABACUS used to have books for the Atari...   they've been discontinued.
>
>Prentice-Hall used to have books for the Atari... they've been discontinued.
>
>Bantam Computer Books used to have books for the Atari... they've been
>discontinued.
>
>Sybex used to have books for the Atari...  they've been discontinued.
>
>(You begin to get the picture...?  What's wrong with this picture..?)
>
>BobR



Yes, and just whose fault is it that ALL of these books are both
discontinued, out of print (at least here in the USA) AND hopelessly
out of date anyway?

Does Atari Corp mean anything?

But look at how Apple Corp supports their users. I just saw another
volume of the "Inside The Macintosh" series at my local bookstore the
other day. A massive thing probably over 1,000. That is more then ALL
of those out of print ST books combined. And it is just ONE volume in
the Mac series.

Now if Atari Corp would have released programmers/techincal notes like
Apple Corp does now years ago maybe the ST wouldn't be so dead here
in the USA.

I get a big laugh out of the folks who buy the German Turbo C compiler,
with its German only docs. They buy it here in the USA, and then say, well
German dosc are OK, just go out and buy an AES/VDI programming book.
Well good luck trying!! My Austin bookstores haven't carried ANY ST
books since I moved here last Winter.

So, Atari Corp has failed once more. In fact the only ST book still in
print is Clayton Walthum's excellent book. But it is just a reprint
of his outdate "ST Log" magazine articles of 4 years ago. Another
example of the recent up-to-date techincal resources available to
the ST programmer.

Aghh, it is so disgusting!!

The ST could have been soooo goooooddddd!!

--
Richard E. Covert                 [e-mail]
CACTUS                  ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert

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Date: 25 Nov 91 10:59:55 GMT
From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins![e-mail] (Graham Higgins)
Subject: Message to Julian Bean
To: [e-mail]

Apologies to usenetters for noise ...

Julian, can do. My email reply to you bounced, so contact me via Royal Mail at
Hewlett-Packard Labs, Filton Road, Stoke Gifford, Bristol BS12 6QZ.

--
Graham Higgins
<< My opinions above are exactly that: my own, and opinions. >>

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Date: 26 Nov 91 08:21:53 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!urmel!oli@arizon
 a.edu (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Mint boots Gem from wrong drive
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Simon Kinahan) writes:

>  If I remember rightly this is not MiNT's fault. I think GEM always
>tries to get the ACCs etc from drive C: or A:. There is a program
>usually distributed with the RDE ramdisk which fixes this

Well, My HD-Driver does. I have Mint in the Auto-folder of G:, and when
booting from G:, this Auto-folder is read, Mint executed as last prg. in
it, then Accessories and Newdesk.inf are read from C:. This must be because
Mint either resets something or does the booting itself.

Oliver

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 09:34:51 AST
From: Alyre CHIASSON <[e-mail]>
Subject: MULTITASKING
To: N <[e-mail]>

I am looking at some rather intensive database manipulations
in 4 to 5 weeks time. Multitaking looks like it would be
a good idea in my case for that particular job and others.
However, does it slow down the system and if so is it
proportional to the number of jobs you have running?
.

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 17:13
From: Roland Waldi                         <[e-mail]>
Subject: OXYD, OXYD2, SPACOLA and TOS country
To: Atari digest                  <[e-mail]>

Since I -- as other people on this newsgroup --
could not figure out how to run OXYD, OXYD2 or SPACOLA
on my ST 1040, I phoned the author Meinolf Schneider, and got the
following information, which may be of interest to others, too:

These games do not run on TOS-versions of countries, where the
distribution of his books is not yet settled, like UK and France.
If you have 2 Meg and boot a German disk-TOS, you can run them.

greetings, RW

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Date: 26 Nov 91 09:07:01 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!og
 icse!milton![e-mail] (Michael Park)
Subject: Somebody's windowing system
To: [e-mail]

About a week ago, somebody (sorry, I don't recall the name)
mentioned that he was trying to post a demo of a windowing system
he had written.  Does anyone know if he was successful?  Has anyone
taken a look at it?


--
Ciao-abunga!           +-------------------------------------+
Michael Park           | This space intentionally left blank |
[e-mail] +-------------------------------------+

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Date: 26 Nov 91 15:10:33 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!warwick!kingpol!titan.kingston.ac.uk![e-mail]
Subject: Spectrum 512........
To: [e-mail]

Hi ya,

Any one out there know where I can get hold spectrum 512 pictures and utilities

[e-mail]

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Date: 25 Nov 91 17:55:28 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc
 .edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt![e-mail]
 (Chuck Zwicky)
Subject: STACY 4 WANTED! Gear for sale/trade!
To: [e-mail]

 I am looking for an ATARI STACY 4 computer, to buy or trade. I have

a 4 MEG 1040 STe with an AdSpeed STe 16 Mhz accelerator, an ADVANTAGE ST

SCSI interface and a 20 meg HD, and a monochrome monitor. I also have a

number of MIDI gizmos (synths, modules, reverbs..etc) that I would be

willing to trade. I also have a GREAT sequencing package for sale....

Dr.T's KCS LEVEL ll WITH 'The PHANTOM' SMPTE interface! (worth over $800,

will sell for $400!!) and MUCH MUCH MORE!

 If you are interested in any of this, or if you know of a Stacy4, PLEASE

CALL!.................................................... [phone].


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