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Info-Atari16 Digest         Tue, 31 Dec 91       Volume 91 : Issue 679

Today's Topics:
                          At-Speed (2 msgs)
                Atari 1040STE, 1040ST or Mega4 wanted
                         Atari Monitor Trade?
                         Atari TTM195 Monitor
                           Colors of Atari
                          GCC & GDB (2 msgs)
                 Hard Drives/Dealer Recommendations?
                          Mega 4 ST for sale
          Mega STe and STe GST shifter numbers.... (2 msgs)
     MiNT and MultiGem (& DataDiet) also STE GST Shifter (2 msgs)
          Need help with Dungeon Master & Chaos Strikes Back
                        Neo Batchfile ->Pfxpak
                           Quick ST support
                        RF modulator for ST's
                       WS compatible? (2 msgs)

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Date: 30 Dec 91 04:55:44 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!ogicse!milton!meyer@ar
 izona.edu (Bent Meyer)
Subject: At-Speed
To: [e-mail]

I am just days away from purchasing At-Speed, probably from Arthur Brown Comp.
 Their catalog price is $369.95.  They also offer a TC Power-Emulator Memory
Manager for $49.95.

My question is.  Was the TC Power-Emulator Memory Manager originally sold with
the AT-Speed board?  Has it been separated to make the boards price more
attractive?

If TC Power is a sparate product does it work well as an extended menory
 manager?

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Date: 31 Dec 91 03:16:49 GMT
From: psinntp!rodan.acs.syr.edu![e-mail] (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: At-Speed
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>
 [e-mail] (Bent Meyer) writes:
>I am just days away from purchasing At-Speed, probably from Arthur Brown Comp.
 Their catalog price is $369.95.  They also offer a TC Power-Emulator Memory
>Manager for $49.95.
>
>My question is.  Was the TC Power-Emulator Memory Manager originally sold with
>the AT-Speed board?  Has it been separated to make the boards price more
>attractive?
>
>If TC Power is a sparate product does it work well as an extended menory
 manager?

I'd go for it Bent.  But then again, I'm prejudiced...I've been using
ATSpeed for over a year now and have nothing bad to say about it.  It is
not a full AT, but it does what I need for the most part.  I'm interested
in seeing the user-base expand so that more gets done for it and its
users.
As for TC Power...I never knew that as part of the ATSpeed package.  I
thought it was mostly for Super Charger...but I could be wrong about that.
In any event, I've got 2.5 meg in my ST and I use extended memory with
ATSpeed...via Windows 3.x.  I should say, however, that
I've never really tried to use expanded memory...  There are software
expanded memory emulators, but I understand they are slow.
Good luck,
Gerry
[e-mail]

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Date: 31 Dec 91 04:05:17 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx![e-mail] (Sean
 Sterling Foiles)
Subject: Atari 1040STE, 1040ST or Mega4 wanted
To: [e-mail]

A friend is looking for an Atari 1040ST with 1Meg or more, a Color Monitor,
and hard drive is optional.

Another friend is looking for either an Atari 1040STE with 4Megs, or a
Mega4, monitor is optional.

If you can help, please call Mark Ferarri at [phone],

or e-mail me at [e-mail]

Thanks in advance.



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A friend is looking for an Atari 1040ST with 1Meg or more, a Color Monitor,
and hard drive is optional.

Another friend is looking for either an Atari 1040STE with 4Megs, or a
Mega4, monitor is optional.

If you can help, please call Mark Ferarri at [phone],

or e-mail me at [e-mail]

Thanks in advance.



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Date: 31 Dec 91 05:24:38 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail] (Matthew
 C. Brinkhoff)
Subject: Atari Monitor Trade?
To: [e-mail]

>Would anyone be interested in trading an ST Mono (SM124?) monitor for an
>ST Color (SC1224?) monitor + some cash or a memory upgrade board for a
>1040?  Email with offers.
>

My apologies for the lack of clarity in the above post.  I'm interested
in securing a mono monitor in exchange for my color.

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Date: 31 Dec 91 21:46:57 GMT
From: netcomsv![e-mail] (Mats Wichmann)
Subject: Atari TTM195 Monitor
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (JON ARVID LOVSTAD) writes:

>Reading the Seybold report in the latest (#53) issue of Z-Net, I saw a price
>for a monitor I've never heard of. The Atari TTM195 was quoted at US$1400,-,
>some 400 bucks more than the standard TTM194 1280x960 mono monitor.

>Does anyone have more info on this on? Is it a 21"/24" thing or is it a
>greyscale monitor for use with a new video card. I know of a German monitor
>which can give 1280x960 in 256 greyscales when used with one of the Matrix
>cards.

>Any info appreciated...

It's a compatible replacement for the TTM194 (same size, resolution, etc)..
The 194 is a Moniterm; I've no idea who makes the 195.  There's no question
in my mind that the 195 gives you a far superior screen: much crisper, and
apparently (from what people at Atari tell me) much more reliable.  I've had
failures on the 194 so perhaps I believe this...although my sample isn't
large enough to mean anything.

Is it worth $400 extra?  I wouldn't venture an opinion on that.

You need a real color monitor to go with the Matrix - I don't really have info
on which ones are compatible , although I'm expecting some shortly...

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Date: 31 Dec 91 10:30:06 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!mfolivo@arizona
 .edu (Mark Newton John)
Subject: Colors of Atari
To: [e-mail]

Here's a bit of Atari trivia...

A few months ago, I met a Micheal Groh, Dealer Sales Coordinator,
and we exchanged business cards. I noticed that his card was
multicolored, in contrast to Sig Hartman's (purple logos), and
other Atari employees I've met (blue logos).

"ATARI" is spelled out in letters of different colors, and
remembering that the colors refer to the different lines of
products that Atari sells. So, in order, here are the "Colors of
Atari" and the products they represent.

A       blue            ST computers
T       green           TT computers
A       orange          Video games (??) Lynx
R       red             XE computers
I       purple          IBM compatibles

Well, I'm guessing on the orange part of it. But I noticed that
Lynx logos are orange. Could the Jaguar logo also be orange?
Notice that the logos on the Portfolio are purple.


--
the good guys!               Sakura-mendo, CA

      Internet:  [e-mail]

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Date: 31 Dec 91 14:53:22 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!nstar!ka3ovk!irscscm
 ![e-mail] (Marshall Lake)
Subject: GCC & GDB
To: [e-mail]

Where can I obtain a copy of gcc and gdb?  I've checked
atari.archive.umich.edu and can't locate them.

--
Marshall Lake
..!uunet!media!ka3ovk!irscscm!mlake
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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Date: 31 Dec 91 21:58:02 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!hobb
 es.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!sharkey!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.um
 ich.edu![e-mail] (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: GCC & GDB
To: [e-mail]

This is for Marshall Lake, to whom mail has bounced.  If you're not him,
press 'n' now.



In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marshall
 Lake) writes:
>Where can I obtain a copy of gcc and gdb?  I've checked
>atari.archive.umich.edu and can't locate them.

Unless something drastic happened while I was gone and nobody told me,
they should be in atari/gnustuff/tos/gcc and atari/gnustuff/tos/gdb or
something real similar to that.

Perhaps the problem you're having is that they're not listed in Index.
Well, that's the next project.  Try getting the file ls-lR.Z and then
grepping for gnustuff/gcc.

Lemme know if you have any other problems finding things here.


>
>--
>Marshall Lake
>...!uunet!media!ka3ovk!irscscm!mlake
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]

weiner

--
Jeff Weiner  --- [e-mail] --- Umich atari posse
Corner of Packard and State, 2nd house from Blue Front on Arbor
718 Arbor, Ann Arbor, MI 48104, [phone], near the Univ. of Michigan

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Date: 30 Dec 91 22:53:32 GMT
From: mdisea![e-mail] (Bernd Friedrich)
Subject: Hard Drives/Dealer Recommendations?
To: [e-mail]

I'm interested in adding a hard drive to my 2.5 meg 1040ST.

Can any Atari HD experts recommend a reliable HD ( I guess in the 40-80 meg
range) from a quality mail order dealer? I'm looking for a complete plug in/
formating software/instructions etc as my knowledge of Atari HD's is very
limited.

Approximate cost greatly appreciated.

Most of my Atari application are music related, though I'm considering buying
a SPECTRE GCR Mac emulator.


Many thanks in advance.

Bernd

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Date: 30 Dec 91 23:34:53 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!leon
 [e-mail] (Leon Poon)
Subject: Mega 4 ST for sale
To: [e-mail]

For Sale:

        - Mega 2 ST upgraded to 4 megs
        - Atari SM124 Monochrome Monitor
        - Internal 50 Mb Seagate 3.5" Hard drive (40 ms)
        - Star NX-10 Dot matrix printer
        - Atari SX-212 1200 baud modem

Many useful programs including Neodesk 3.0, Universal Item Selector III,
Flash 1.6, Ultrascript, Turbo ST, etc.

SPECTRE GCR 3.0 (including ROMs and cables) which allows
        you to emulate Macintosh machines as well as read and write
        Mac disks. I have also at least 20 megs worth of useful
        Mac software that is 100% compatible with Spectre. Some of
        them are Word 4.0, Excel 2.2, Canvas 2.0, Mathematica 1.2, etc.

Because I am in the sciences, I have a specialized program I want to
sell. It is a symbolic algebra program.
        - Maple 4.3 for the ST (include all disks and manuals).

I want to sell the system for $1200 or best offer. Feel free to contact
me at [e-mail] if you have any questions.

                                                Leon Poon

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Date: 30 Dec 91 20:11:00 GMT
From: uvm-gen!newton![e-mail] (Robert B. Pegram)
Subject: Mega STe and STe GST shifter numbers....
To: [e-mail]

Quite some time ago, Lars-Eric Osterud noted that newer Ste's and Mega
Stes have problems with noisy DMA sound, with displaying Spectrum 512
pictures and with mono screens wrapping left if a program abruptly
changes the display address.  Sure enough, I noticed the problem on my
STe using Lars' noisetracker player program, and with the Codehead's
Artgallery program (a picture "slide-show" program).  The mono wrap
left is harmless - it'll switch back and forth between normal and
wierd - but rather annoying.

        Unfortunately, Lars is not a hardware hacker and while he
noted that the chip in question was in location U401 on Stes, he did
not get the Atari chip numbers of the good and of the offending chips.
To make a long story short, I finally pried the right chip out of Best
Electronics and can give both numbers.

Bad new Shifter chip:   C301712-001

Good older shifter :    C300588

This is the largest PLCC (plastic leaded chip carrier - aka socketed
square chip) on the motherboard, at 80 pins, rather than 64 pins.

Right now, I'm missing one chanel of DMA sound (I hope I just
mis-inserted the chip!), but I can display Spectrum pictures (checked
at a friend's house) and my mono display is rock solid.

Good luck folks and enjoy my belated Christmas present.

bye,

Bob Pegram

P.S. I'll be trying to find out about MiNT and MultiGem soon - I have
to clear off my hard disk before adding things! don't get your hopes
up, MultiGem looks to be very much a ROM version specific
"enhancement" (1/2 8-).  RBPIII

--
[e-mail]
        or
.!uvm-gen!pegram

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Date: 30 Dec 91 21:13:39 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu![e-mail] (Robert A
 Jung)
Subject: Mega STe and STe GST shifter numbers....
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert B.
 Pegram) writes:
>Quite some time ago, Lars-Eric Osterud noted that newer Ste's and Mega
>Stes have problems with noisy DMA sound, with displaying Spectrum 512
>pictures and with mono screens wrapping left if a program abruptly
>changes the display address. ... I finally pried the right chip out of Best
>Electronics and can give both numbers.

  Just an extra twist here -- My 4-megabyte 520STe had a similar problem
(bad displaying of Sperctrum 512 pictures), so following the net.advice, I
took it to the dealer have the shifter chip changed.

  I was surprised to find, however, that on my machine there was NO shifter
chip! Rather, the shifter was an integrated part of a larger IC, so I
couldn't just "pop out the bad, pop in the new". Fortunately, my dealer was
nice enough to swap my motherboard for another that had the "right" shifter.

  This is just to let anyone else out there know that, depending on what
'board you have, your shifter problem may not be so easily solved. Now my
Spectrum pictures display properly, though I can't say anything about DMA
sound or mono display shifting.

>P.S. I'll be trying to find out about MiNT and MultiGem soon - I have
>to clear off my hard disk before adding things! don't get your hopes
>up, MultiGem looks to be very much a ROM version specific
>"enhancement" (1/2 8-).  RBPIII

  Well, as a happy owner of MultiGEM, I can tell you that it's not a ROM
version specific "enhancement". It claims to work on any version of TOS
from 1.2 and up, and so far it seems fine. I did have problems porting it
from TOS 1.62 to TOS 1.6, but I re-installed the program and it worked great.

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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Date: 31 Dec 91 18:28:44 GMT
From: uvm-gen!griffin![e-mail] (Robert B. Pegram)
Subject: MiNT and MultiGem (& DataDiet) also STE GST Shifter
To: [e-mail]

> chip! Rather, the shifter was an integrated part of a larger IC, so I
> couldn't just "pop out the bad, pop in the new". Fortunately, my dealer was
> nice enough to swap my motherboard for another that had the "right" shifter.

        If you mean that the larger chip was soldered in, my
condolences, else my advice still applies.  I paid $40.00 U.S. for the
entire "larger IC" and it just popped in <grin>.

I then wrote:

>>P.S. I'll be trying to find out about MiNT and MultiGem soon - I have
>>to clear off my hard disk before adding things! don't get your hopes
>>up, MultiGem looks to be very much a ROM version specific
>>"enhancement" (1/2 8-).  RBPIII
>
>   Well, as a happy owner of MultiGEM, I can tell you that it's not a ROM
> version specific "enhancement". It claims to work on any version of TOS
> from 1.2 and up, and so far it seems fine. I did have problems porting it
> from TOS 1.62 to TOS 1.6, but I re-installed the program and it worked great.

        Sorry, R. J., but you rather proved my point above - you have
to reinstall for each new version of TOS.  Has anyone gotten MultiGem
to run on TOS 2.0X??  I have MultiGem, just not installed. I took a
look at the install disk when I came up with that opinion, and no less
an authority on such things than our Mike Vederman (8-) declared
MultiGem a hack.  DC Desktop and some other DC products tend (not always
guys, I know that!) to be TOS version specific hacks too.  I mean that
the software works everywhere, but a lot of extra code for each set of
ROMS is included in the package for installation purposes.  I only
object when conflicts arise, and unfortunately, one I was unprepared
for, did 8-(.  Ahem, Mike V, will you ever get DataDiet to work with
MultiGem?  Guess who got both programs at once 8-).

bye,
        Bob Pegram
--
[e-mail]
        or
.!uvm-gen!pegram

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Date: 31 Dec 91 18:47:51 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu![e-mail] (Robert A
 Jung)
Subject: MiNT and MultiGem (& DataDiet) also STE GST Shifter
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert B.
 Pegram) writes:
>I originally wrote:
>> Rather, the shifter was an integrated part of a larger IC, so I
>> couldn't just "pop out the bad, pop in the new".
>
>       If you mean that the larger chip was soldered in, my
>condolences, else my advice still applies.

  Well, I'm not a hardware hack; all I know is that my dealer said "There's
no shifter", and I worked from there.

>>>MultiGem looks to be very much a ROM version specific "enhancement"
>>
>> I did have problems porting it from TOS 1.62 to TOS 1.6, but I
>>re-installed the program and it worked great.
>
>       Sorry, R. J., but you rather proved my point above - you have
>to reinstall for each new version of TOS.

  Oh, I see -- I thought you meant that MultiGEM would run _only_ on
TOS x.y. I never considered re-installation to be a major problem, myself.
All I know is that, while it's not perfect, I do think MultiGEM comes
closer to all-purpose multitasking on the ST than any other commercial
product that I've seen.

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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Date: 30 Dec 91 18:04:14 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zazen!news@arizona
 .edu (PAul STevens -- MACC)
Subject: Need help with Dungeon Master & Chaos Strikes Back
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
 [e-mail] (Thomas Ruschak) writes...

>Hi,
>
>     I need two things:
>        2) A source for Chaos Strikes Back. None of the local stores
>           seem to have it, and even Egghead's phone # (1-800-EGG-HEAD)
>           didn't have it.


Call E Arthur Brown.  Orders at 800-322-4405.  $23.95.

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Date: 31 Dec 91 17:04:50 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu![e-mail]
 (Steven Selick)
Subject: Neo Batchfile ->Pfxpak
To: [e-mail]

Does anybody have a Neodesk CLI Batchfile that will scan an entire
partition for executable programs, then load the filename into the
pfxpak.ttp program along with an identical output filename & path,
and then pack it, and then loop back until done? Basically, I
want to pack all of the executable programs on my hard disk easily.
<[e-mail]>

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Date: 31 Dec 91 01:08:54 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hplsla![e-mail]
 (Andy Cassino)
Subject: Quick ST support
To: [e-mail]

| Actually, Turbo has just about always had  more compatibility problems
| than QST, aside from taking a valuable .ACC slot
|
| mark

Actually, Turbo ST 1.84 (the latest) is an AUTO program, not an ACC.

    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
    % Andy Cassino                                       %
    % Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division %
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

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Date: 30 Dec 91 18:45:43 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!ucselx!sol.ctr.columbi
 a.edu!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!lamont![e-mail] (john marra)
Subject: RF modulator for ST's
To: [e-mail]

I keep running into color/mono incompatibility problems for my monochrome
system that no software seems able to solve. Does anyone know if there is
any hardware available to get an RF output from a circa. 1986 520ST? That is,
is there anyway to 'upgrade' an old ST to an STE? It seems my only options
are to buy a color monitor ($350) or an STE ($399). For the STE, what is the
screen resolution on a TV? Thanks for any help.

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Date: 30 Dec 91 22:09:23 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!mcshh![e-mail] (Edmund Ramm)
Subject: WS compatible?
To: [e-mail]

   Is there a WordStar compatible editor (non document mode would suffice)
for the ST/STE?

   Happy computing in 1992!

          Eddi.
--

Edmund Ramm, DK3UZ, Anderheitsallee 24, D-2000 Hamburg 71, [phone] voice
      UUCP: uunet!mcsun!unido!mcshh.hanse.de!dk3uz   |   PR: dk3uz@db0hb

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Date: 31 Dec 91 16:23:58 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!u
 x.acs.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake![e-mail] (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: WS compatible?
To: [e-mail]

[In article <[e-mail]>,
     [e-mail] (Edmund Ramm) writes ... ]

 >    Is there a WordStar compatible editor (non document mode would suffice)
 > for the ST/STE?

If your fingers really like typing WordStar commands, your best bet probably
is to get a configurable editor such as MicroEMACS 3.11 or Origami. I think
Tempus also may be configurable to that extent, but I haven't used it.
 --
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota     <[e-mail]>
 Land of lutefisk, ice castles and jumper cables

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