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This special mailing includes a summary of responses too large for a
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PAT

  From: [e-mail] (Chip Elliott)
  Subject: Telex from Internet
  Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Many thanks to everyone who replied with information about ways to
send Telexes from an Internet host. Here is a compendium of all the
replies I received -- the ones most useful to me are at the front.

I appreciate the time and effort taken to send me this information.

Again -- many thanks!         [e-mail]

       ------------------------------------------------

Chip,

  Here is more information about email and telex.

Don Newcomb
[e-mail]

I have updated my earlier posting comparing various e-mail services
for personal use. I want to thank everyone who responded and supplied
corrections to my posting. To put some persons' concerns to rest, my
only relationship with any vendor of computer services is as a
customer. In this study, I based my comparisons on the grades of
service which would give the lowest cost for the least use.

I have struggled with finding a good format to present my findings.  I
found that some people did not relate well to the matrix I used in my
first posting. Others did not agree with the basis I was using to make
my comparison. Sort of like, "Why compare the price of the basic sedan
when everyone is going to order A/C and automatic anyway." To
alleviate these concerns I have included a brief discussion based on
my understanding of each system's features and pricing. My information
may be incorrect. Some providers are hard to "pin down" on prices and
features. I encourage you to check with providers yourself before
purchasing a service. If glaring errors remain in my listing, I would
appreciate your corrections. I have tried to provide a phone number or
e-mail address to contact each service for information.

Three types of charges are detailed:
 A. Setup: A one time charge to get your account established.
 B. Annual minimum: What you will be charged even if you don't use
    the system.
 C. Hourly access: What it costs (often a range of costs) to occupy
    a port even if you don't send or receive mail. This is a problem
    area for my analysis. Some systems bundle access via PSN or 800
    number into this figure, some don't.

Other charges for e-mail are assumed to be a function of the number
of characters or messages sent or received. Charges of this type are
indicated by a "$" in the matrix. A problem arises in that "$" does
not indicate "how much." So, while both Omnet and ATT Mail indicate
a "$" to send to Telemail, for Omnet this is about $.06 while for
ATT Mail it is $.40-.85 .

The features are:
 A. Can send mail to various networks & systems:
    1. Intermail: Internet, SPAN, UUCP, BITNET and all the systems
       connected by Internet.
    2. Telemail: Sprint Mail, NASA Mail, Omnet etc.
    3. MCI Mail
    4. Compuserve
    5. GEnie: General Electric's E-Mail
    6. TELEX: Unrestricted World-wide Telex
    6a. Personal Telex #. User has a personal Telex number for
        receiving Telex vs. common Telex number using a code in
        the message to route the message.
    7. Telegram: World-wide delivery.
    8. Paper Mail: Delivery by USPS.
    9. Dialcom: Tymnet E-mail
    10. FAX:
 B. X.400 addressing: Utilizes and receives X.400 addressed messages.
 C. Packet network connections.
 D. Telnet: Access to and from Internet Telnet.
 E. Usenet: Has at least a basic Usenet News
 F. Binary File Transfer. Has a way to transfer binary files.
 G. File Store: User has at least 360K characters of storage.
 H. 800#: Access from toll-free 800 number for lower 48 states.
 I. Receipt: Sender can request an automatic receipt when a message
    is read.
 J. Auto-forward: User can set mailbox to automatically forward
    incoming mail to _any_ possible destination. (The acid test
    is to forward incoming e-mail to a FAX)

The systems compared, so far, are:
    1. Omnet (a source of Telemail)
    2. MCI Mail
    3. ATT Mail
    4. ESL (Western Union EasyLink)
        5. GEnie (Star*Services) (not same as Quickcom)
    6. Pinet (American Institute of Physics)
     7. World (Software Tool & Die, world.std.com)
    8. Portal (Portal Communications)
    9. Netcom (Online Communication Services)
    10. Compuserve
    11. Fidonet


                   Features-Read Down                 Costs ($US)
           |---------------------------------------|------------------
           |I|T|M|C|G|T|P|T|P|D|X|F|P|T|U|B|F|8|R|A| S  | A  | H |
           |n|e|C|o|E|e|e|e|a|i|.|A|a|e|s|i|i|0|e|u| e  | n  | o |
           |t|l|I|m|n|l|r|l|p|a|4|X|c|l|e|n|l|0|c|t| t  | n  | u |
           |e|e| |p|i|e|s|e|e|l|0| |k|n|n|a|e|#|e|o| u  | u  | r |
           |r|m|M|s|e|x|o|g|r|c|0| |e|e|e|r| | |i| | p  | a  |   |
           |n|a|a|e| | |n|a| |o| | |t|t|t|y|S| |p|F|    | l  |   |
           |e|i|i|r| | |a|m|M|m| | | | | | |t| |t|o|    |    |   |
           |t|l|l|v| | |l| |a| | | |N| | |X|o| | |r|    |    |   |
           | | | |e| | | | |i| | | |e| | |f|r| | |w|    |    |   |
           | | | | | | |#| |l| | | |t| | |e|e| | |d|    |    |   |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Omnet     |$ $ $ $ ? $ Y N $ $ Y $ S N N $ $ $ Y N 75   180  4-16@
 MCI Mail  |$ $ $ $ N $ Y N $ $ Y $ S N N ? $ Y ? N  0    35   0
 ATT Mail  |$ $ $ $ ? $ Y N $ ? Y $ A N N $ $ Y Y Y  0    30   0
 ESL       |D $ $ $ ? $ Y $ $ $ Y $ ? N N N $ ? $ N  0   300*  ?
 Genie     |N N N N Y N N N N N N N P N N ? ? $ ? N  0    60   0-18@
 Pinet     |Y Y Y Y ? $ D N $ $ N $ S Y Y Y Y Y N N 15    0    10-19@
 World     |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D C Y Y Y Y N N Y  0    60   2
 Portal    |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D S N N Y Y ? N Y 15   168   0
 Netcom    |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D N Y Y Y ? N N Y  0   180   0
 Compuserve|$ $ $ $ ? $ ? N $ ? ? $ M N N Y Y $ ? N 40    30   1-12?
 Fidonet   |Y Y Y Y ? D D N D D N D N N N ? ? N N ? 0?    0?   0?
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Key:
    Y=Available feature at no extra cost.
    N=Not available.
    $=Available, an extra charge for usage applies.
    D=Feature available with subscription to DASnet.*
    S=Sprint (Telenet) Packet Network
    C=Compuserve Packet Network
    T=Tymnet Packet Network
    P=Private Packet Network
    A=ACUNET Packet Network
    M=Multiple Packet Networks
    ?=Unsure
    *=Minimum sum of usage charges
    @=Includes domestic PSN charges

Note:(*) DASnet is a service that provides systems and individuals
     with a gateways to a variety of incompatible e-mail systems.
     Despite frequent mention of DASnet, this is not an endorsement
     of their service. They can help you get mail to and from many
     networks, but the addressing is often complex (not realy their
     fault). Delivery is not always instantaneous. Six hour delivery
     is not uncommon. Direct DASnet connections are available for
     electronic mail systems and networks. Legal considerations may
     restrict the means of connection.  A monthly charge of $4.75 plus
     usage charges apply to DASnet services for individuals. For
     information contact, ([e-mail]).

More details:

Omnet: There are various ways to obtain GTE Telemail (a.k.a.
    Sprintmail) the one I am most familiar with is Omnet.
    Omnet is popular with oceanographers and meteorologists
    and probably costs more then some other Telemail providers.
    I once could have had a Telemail account for $25.00 setup +
    $15.00 a year + usage, but that opportunity passed. A
    few years ago, connections between Telemail and Internet
    were "iffy" at best; now things are more reliable. Telemail
    has long been tied closely with Telenet. I don't even know
    if it is possible to dial directly into a Telemail host.
    Well developed connections to FAX, Telex etc.
    (/id=service/o=omnet/admd=telemail/c=usa/@sprint.com)

MCI Mail: Provides access to most networks. Private inbound Telex
    number. High use option (Preferred Pricing) available at
    $10.00/month for 40 "domestic electronic messages." No
    charge to access or retrieve mail. Basic communications are
    charged for message origination or forwarding plus a small
    annual fee ($35). Normal access via 800 number or Telenet.
    Seems set to compete with ATT Mail and vice versa.
    ([e-mail] or 800-444-6245)

ATT Mail: Provides access to most networks. Private inbound Telex
    number. Auto-forward supported (even to Telex or FAX).
    Various extra-cost options, but basic communications are
    charged for message origination or forwarding plus a small
    annual fee ($30). No charge to access or retrieve mail. One
    nice extra is message pick-up via 800 number with synthesized
    voice ($.50 per minute). Normal access is 800 number or
    ACUNET packet network. For someone who wants to receive a
    lot but send very little looks quite attractive. No Usenet.
    The gotcha is that ATT's $100+ software is required or you
    get charged an extra $.45+ to create each message online.
    You must have their software to send or receive binary files.
    This charge is not on their price list and is only mentioned
    obliquely in the brochures. It makes me wonder about other
    hidden charges.  In fairness to ATT, I should say that they
    seem to specialize in linking in-house corporate mail systems
    to outside networks. In this application the expense of their
    software would be reasonable.(800-624-5672)

ESL: EasyLink was Western Union's attempt at e-mail. It has recently
    been purchased by ATT but is still separate from ATT Mail. ESL
    can be best described as "virtual Telex." For companies that
    send a lot of Telex, ESL may be a good choice. Charges are
    based on the infamous "Telex minute" (about 400 char) and are
        lower than most other Telex connections. No "account maintenance"
    fee but a monthly minimum applies. There are no connections to
    Internet (except via DASnet). (800-624-5672)

GEnie: I'm not sure GEnie should be described as an e-mail system as
    it does not seem to provide connections to any other system.
    GEnie Star*Services are economical and have many interesting
    features but e-mail is strictly local. (800-638-9636)

Pinet: Pinet is a service of the American Institute of Physics. It is
    primarily intended for use by members of affiliated societies
    (AGU, APS, AAS etc). It is included because I have personal
    experience as a user. Basicly a Gould  UTX/32 host with a
    restrictive mail shell. Normal access via 800 dial-in. Telenet
    access has been recently added and may replace the 800 number.
    Well connected to Telnet but users can't FTP. Access to Telex,
    paper mail, FAX etc. provided by system connection to DASnet.
    Abbreviated Usenet. ([e-mail])

World: Software Tool & Die, Brookline MA. Sun 4 host. Well connected
    to Nearnet and SURAnet for Telnet and FTP but not rest of
    Internet (yet). They pride themselves on having an absurdly
    large number of news feeds (2500+). User has regular shell
    with only restriction being a rather "soft" file space quota
    of about 500 K bytes. Quota can be raised for small charge.
    Sign up for $20/mo and you get 20 hours with $1/hour above
    20. Normal access is via dial-up or Telnet. Compuserve PSN
    access is available for $6.00 per hour surcharge.
    ([e-mail])

Portal: Well known as UUCP & Usenet server. Also provides personal
    accounts. Access via Telenet $2.50-$15.00 per hour surcharge.
    Storage charge of $.04/K/month above 100 K bytes. Not well
    connected for FTP & Telnet. Cupertino, CA. ([e-mail])

Netcom: This was a big surprise. Online Communications Services seems
    (if I am reading their brochure correctly) to provide unlimited
    access to Intermail, Telnet, FTP, archives and more for a flat
    $15.00 per month. Well connected to Internet. 9600 baud
    dial-ups. No packet net or 800 number access. San Jose, CA.
    ([e-mail])

Compuserve: Well known to Joe Public. Provides 1001 services in
    addition to e-mail. Seems to provide FAX, Telex, Intermail,
    commercial mail connections etc. Brochures high on gloss; low
    in facts and prices. (800-457-6245)

Fidonet: Fidonet is a world-wide, store-and-forward network for PCs.
    In theory, it connects BBS users from South Africa to
    Greenland and on all continents. A hierarchal addressing
    system organizes the net into geographic zones and nets
    organized around a local hub. A one-way message may take
    2-3 days to arrive at its destination. FidoNet is gated to
    Internet via the fidonet.org domain. It is possible for a
    FidoNet node to set up a DASnet link for other services, but
    this may not be via Internet or UUCP. No set cost schedule.
    FidoNet nodes in my area are all cost free. No single P.O.C.
    Node list available via FTP on asuvax.eas.asu.edu in
    /stjhmc/nodelist.txt . Also via BITFTP on BITNET.

Donald Newcomb

                      ----------------

Chip,

You could join our network.  From it you can send and receive telexes.

Further information on our system and Internet access to it is
attached.

Regards,
Tom Gray
IGC Support

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Send and receive private messages -- including Fax and Telex -- to and
from more than 8,000 international peace, environmental and conflict
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other networks.  Electronic mail is quick, inexpensive, reliable and
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IGC's conferencing services offer easy-to-use tools in group
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IGC conferences are an indispensable tool.  Private conferences can be
set up to facilitate internal group decision-making, task-sharing
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for information sharing, newsletter distribution, legislative alerts
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Information Resources IGC's several hundred public conferences also
include events calendars, newsletters, legislative alerts, funding
sources, press releases, action updates, breaking stories, calls for
support, as well as ongoing discussions on issues of global
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interuniversity bulletin boards.  IGC's capabilities allow you to
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  From support2 Thu Jul 25 04:07:08 1991
  Subject: Internet Documentation


Connecting to IGC Networks via the Internet

I.  About the Internet

IGC networks (e.g. PeaceNet, EcoNet and ConflictNet) are now
accessible via the Internet, making it cheaper and easier for many
academic users to login.  The Internet is the world's leading
inter-university network, and connects thousands of academic and
research institutions around the world.  There is no surcharge for
Internet access - you pay our normal direct dial rates of $3/hour, 24
hours a day!

If you don't know if your campus is connected to the Internet, you'll
have to find out.  If you don't have a friend who can tell you, then
it's best to contact the campus organization that manages your campus
computer networks.  Otherwise, you could contact your computer science
department or campus computer system, and ask to speak to a computer
network administrator or computer system administrator.

If your campus is on the Internet but you don't have an account on a
computer that's connected to the Internet, then you'll have to acquire
one.  The best way to find out how to do this is to find a friend who
already has an account on a computer that's on the Internet, and ask
them how they got it.  If you don't know anyone who has an account,
then you could try contacting the head of your department, or the
computer science department or campus computer system, and ask to get
an account on a timesharing computer that's connected to the Internet
(or else ask to have your personal computer connected to an "ethernet"
that's connected to the campus "backbone" network).

NOTE: The Internet is to be used only for bona-fide educational or
research purposes, and it is up to an individual's sponsoring
institution to make sure that a user is using it for bona-fide
educational purposes.

II.  LOGGING IN TO THE IGC NETWORKS THROUGH THE INTERNET - TELNET

Once you have an Internet account, you'll have to learn how to log in
to it.  Once you can do this, then you're ready to log in to your
account on the IGC Networks.  To do this, run the command

    telnet igc.org

        -- or --

    telnet 192.82.108.1

from your Internet account.  If this doesn't work, contact a technical
expert at your campus to get assistance.  Note that if your personal
computer is connected directly to an ethernet and you don't log in
directly to a campus computer, then you might need to run a command on
your personal computer that's called something different than
'telnet'.  Because there are dozens of different ways that campus
systems connect to the Internet, we cannot anticipate all of them.

If you don't already have an account on IGC, and you would like to
signup for an account and pay for it with a credit card, then you
should type 'new' at the login: prompt, and type RETURN or ENTER at
the Password: prompt.  If you don't use credits cards, please call us
at 1-415-442-0220 between 9am and 5pm, Pacific Time to arrange payment
for a new account.

III.  File Transfers over the Internet - Using FTP with IGC

There are two different ways to upload files from your personal
computer to IGC, and download messages from IGC to your own system.
If you're using your personal computer and a modem program (such as
ProComm or RedRyder) to login to another campus computer, then you can
do uploads and downloads exactly as described in the IGC manual, i.e.
using one of the "normal" file transfer protocols such as ascii or
kermit.  [Try to avoid using xmodem, since it requires a pure 8-bit
data path; in particular, CTRL-S and CTRL-Q can *not* be used for flow
control with xmodem.]

If you're not using a modem program (e.g. you're running the 'telnet'
command from your personal computer, or you're using a dumb terminal
that's directly connected to a campus computer), then you probably
won't be able to use one of the "normal" protocols.  However, you can
use your computer's FTP command instead.

To use your university computer's FTP command in conjunction with the
IGC Networks, you need to inform the IGC computer that you'll be doing
this.

UPLOADING: At the prompt:

Hit <RETURN> to enter/edit a message, or 'u' to (u)pload a file:

be sure to select (u)pload.  At the next prompt:

Protocol: (a)scii-text (k)ermit (x)modem (y)modem (z)modem (f)tp:

be sure to select (f)tp.

You will then see:

Please use your ftp program to log in as 'anonymous', and place your
file in upload/<yourloginID>.

Use your university computer's 'ftp' command to initiate a file
transfer.  When asked to login, be sure to login in to:

       igc.org, or cdp.igc.org, or 192.82.108.1

       DO NOT ftp into gatekeeper.igc.org.  FTP will not work
       through
        'gatekeeper'.

When you login with ftp as 'anonymous', use 'guest' or 'ident' as a
password.  This puts you into a place on our computer network that
allows temporary storage of uploaded files. Be sure to change
directory to 'upload' and then use the ftp command to transfer the
file from your computer to ours using your loginID as the destination
name of the file.

Once the transfer is completed, go back to the telnet command and hit
<RETURN> or <ENTER>. This completes the ftp upload process.  This also
deletes your file from the 'anonymous' upload subdirectory on the IGC
computer.

You will be asked if you want to edit the uploaded file.  If you say
(y)es, then use the online editor's (v)iew command, you will see the
contents of your file.  Hitting <RETURN> twice from the Edit: prompt
will save and send your changes.

If you are using a multi-user computer on your campus, then you may
have "job control", a feature that allows you to switch back and forth
between programs.  If you need to leave telnet (or ftp) and go into
ftp (or telnet), type '~ CTRL-Z' or 'CTRL-] CTRL-Z' to temporarily
"suspend" telnet (or ftp), then type e.g. 'fg %ftp or 'fg %n' (where
the 'jobs' command will tell you which 'n' is needed for the ftp
command) to go into ftp.  If you don't have job control, you may be
able to type '~ z' or 'CTRL-Z z' (or '!' or 'shell' instead of 'z') in
telnet to get a subshell, so that you can start ftp then transfer your
file then exit ftp then type 'exit RETURN' to return to telnet and
continue specifying commands on the IGC computer.

If you're using MacIP on a Macintosh, then you can have an ftp window
and a telnet window.

If you're using the NCSA telnet command on an MSDOS computer, then you
don't have a separate ftp command, and your telnet program provides
only an ftp server not an ftp client; the IGC system does not provide
an ftp client to talk to NCSA telnet's ftp server.  So you won't be
able to use the ftp protocol directly from your MSDOS computer.  If
you can get an account on a multi-user computer at your campus that's
accessible from telnet on your MSDOS computer, then you can telnet
from your MSDOS computer to the campus multi-user computer and login
to that computer, and from there use the multi-user campus computer's
telnet and ftp commands to contact the IGC computer.  Then use ftp on
your campus computer to transfer files to and from your MSDOS
computer.

DOWNLOADING:

Downloading using FTP is similar to uploading -- just in reverse.  You
must first inform the IGC Networks that you will be performing an FTP
download:

 From the Mail? or Conf? prompts, select (c)apture, followed by
 Status: RO

(d)ownload.  If Status: R

in Conf mode, you'll be asked to identify what you want to
download.  You will then be asked for a protocol.  Select (f)tp.

You will then see:

OK.  Now log in to this machine with anonymous ftp, and get the file
download/<yourloginID>

As in the case with uploading, use your university computer's FTP
command to log in to igc.org or cdp.igc.org (NOT gatekeeper.igc.org!).
Use the account name (login name) 'anonymous' with a password of
'guest' or 'ident'.  Change directory to 'download'.  (If you are
still logged in from a previous FTP session, and moving from 'upload'
to 'download', you may have to change directories twice: first just do
a 'cd' back to the ftp home directory; then 'cd download'.)

Use your system's FTP command to download the file to your system.  On
our system, the file will have as its name your login ID.  You may
name it as you wish on your system.

A few useful FTP Commands:

   cd <directory>  -  Change to Directory named <directory> on
   IGC.  put <filename> <loginID>  -  transfer file from YOUR
   computer to IGC.  get <loginID> <filename>  -  transfer file
   from IGC to YOUR computer.

Note that with some ftp software you may not be able to specify a
second argument to 'put' or 'get', in which case the file on your own
computer will need to be called <loginID> also.

WARNING: FTP downloads are not completely secure.  There may be a
small window of time during which someone else might be able to have
access to your file.  We therefore recommend you do not use FTP for
documents that you strongly want to keep private.

--------------------------------------------

Chip,

  Send a copy of your question to [e-mail] . They will be glad
to tell you about a $ervice you can $ubscribe to that will link
Internet and telex.

Don Newcomb
[e-mail]

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Mail to [e-mail] (Rupert Mohr). They provide such a service
if I recall correctly.


Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse    ([e-mail])
Katatura State Hospital  ([e-mail] works for small files)
Private Bag 13215        Windhoek, Namibia

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We use a product called MGATE that is a MCI-to-UNIX gateway.  This
would alow you to send tellexes (as well as FAXen,paper mail,....etc)
from you Unix nodes with a To: filed like "c=0%tlx=232123@telex".
Gotta buy MCI though. (think its 1.50/telex msg).


XtcN Ltd
11 Roxbury Ave.     4425 Butterworth Pl. N.W.
Natick MA 01760     Washington D.C. 20016
Tel:[phone]    Tel:[phone]
E-mail: Internet: [e-mail]   Telex: 6504829720
X.400: C=US; A=MCI; S=Lamb; D.ID=4829720

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Hi,

If you need to telex to Russia, you can probably makae your inquery to
Victor Andreenko [e-mail].
They are doing some kind of telex-fax-internet gateways.

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Call AT&T Mail, and set up an account as a registered system.  You'll
have to call them direct via UUCP, or they'll have to call you, for
security reasons.  But once this is in place, you can address messages
to "attmail!telex!<telex number>", and they'll go through just fine.
Their customer service number is 800-624-5672.

I don't know of any service that allows you to send telexes through
Internet, because of the difficulty in billing.  If you find one,
please let me know!


Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer   Voice   [phone]   Telex 151243420
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. Fax   [phone]  CIS 70271,404
P.O. Box 105203       BBS     [phone]   AT&T !tnixon
Atlanta, Georgia  30348     UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon  Fido 1:114/15
USA                 Internet  [e-mail]

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If you're registered with AT&T Mail, you can send telexes by using the
address:

    attmail!telex!number

You'll have to be hooked directly to attmail in order for this to
work.  Going through the Internet gateways, such as using

    telex![e-mail]

wouldn't work because telex is blocked for mail coming in through that
route.


Tony Hansen
[e-mail], [e-mail]
att!pegasus!hansen, attmail!tony

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A couple of years ago, there was an interconnect email carrier called
"dasnet" which would do this. I don't know if they are still in
business or where to reach them, though. They are not in "whois" under
the name "dasnet", but there is a company called "DA Systems"
registered for the domain names DAS.NET and DAS.COM. So try to write
to [e-mail] and ask if they do this kind of thing, and write
back to TELECOM of they do.


Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer
CMC Rockwell  [e-mail]

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I think is best done via MCI Mail. We use all of the main commercial
services at my work (Sprint, AT&T, MCI etc.), but I think MCI is the
best one. I'm not affiliated with them, just my two cents. No on-line
time, no monthly minimum, and easy menus.

Regards,
Adam
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We are able to send Telex locally, but we have blocked the possibility
messages from outside to be sent as Telex. The reason is simple:
sending a Telex is not free, and Unix software (which I have written
myself) does not handle accounting.  I'd be glad to mail you my
software, which interfaces an Intertex 44-box to Unix mail, but I
doubt you'd have any use for it as the box is connected to the
Teletex-network and as far as I know there are very few
Teletex-connections in the US. (Teletex is about 50 times faster than
Telex and there are gateways between the nets.)

If you nevertheless would find our solution interesting for any
reason, please don't hesitate to contact me.


Dan Sahlin, SICS, Sweden     email: [e-mail]