MR. ISMAY: We were on the extreme southern route for the westbound ships.
SENATOR SMITH: What was the longitude and latitude of this ship? Do you know?
MR. ISMAY: That I could not tell you; I am not a sailor.
SENATOR SMITH: Were you cognizant of your proximity to icebergs at all on Saturday?
MR. ISMAY: On Saturday? No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know anything about a wireless message from the America to the Titanic­­
MR. ISMAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Saying that the America had encountered ice in that latitude?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Were you aware of the proximity of icebergs on Sunday?
MR. ISMAY: On Sunday? No; I did not know on Sunday. I knew that we would be in the ice region that night sometime.
SENATOR SMITH: That you would be or were?
MR. ISMAY: That we would be in the ice region on Sunday night.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any consultation with the captain regarding the matter?
MR. ISMAY: Absolutely none.
SENATOR SMITH: Or with any other officer of the ship?
MR. ISMAY: With no officer at all, sir. It was absolutely out of my province. I am not a navigator. I was simply a passenger on board the ship.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know anything about the working of the wireless service on this ship?
MR. ISMAY: In what way? We had wireless on the ship.
SENATOR SMITH: Had you taken any unusual precaution to have reserve power for this wireless?
MR. ISMAY: I believe there was, but I have no knowledge of that myself.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know how long the wireless continued to operate after the blow or collision?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir; I do not.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you, at any time, see the operator of the wireless?
MR. ISMAY: I did not.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you attempt to send any messages yourself?
MR. ISMAY: I did not.
SENATOR SMITH: Were you outside on the deck, or on any deck, when the order was given to lower the lifeboats?
MR. ISMAY: I heard Capt. Smith give the order when I was on the bridge.
SENATOR SMITH: You heard the captain give the order?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Will you tell us what he said.
MR. ISMAY: It is very difficult for me to remember exactly what was said, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: As nearly as you can.
MR. ISMAY: I know I heard him give the order to lower the boats. I think that is all he said. I think he simply turned around and gave the order.
SENATOR SMITH: Was there anything else said, as to how they should be manned or occupied?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir; not that I heard. As soon as I heard him give the order to lower the boats, I left the bridge.
SENATOR SMITH: You left the bridge?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any of the boats lowered?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: How many?
MR. ISMAY: Certainly three.
SENATOR SMITH: Will you tell us, if you can, how they were lowered?
MR. ISMAY: They were swung out, people were put into the boats from the deck, and then they were simply lowered away down to the water.
SENATOR SMITH: Were these lifeboats on the various decks?
MR. ISMAY: They were all on one deck.
SENATOR SMITH: On what deck?
MR. ISMAY: On the sun deck; the deck above this [indicating on diagram]. I do not think it is shown on this plan.
SENATOR SMITH: That is, the second deck above yours?
MR. ISMAY: On this deck here, on the big plan [indicating].
SENATOR SMITH: On the sun deck?
MR. ISMAY: Yes; on what we call the sun deck or the boat deck.
SENATOR SMITH: They were on the boat deck, which would be the upper deck of all?
MR. ISMAY: The upper deck of all, yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Was there any order or supervision exercised by the officers of the ship in loading these lifeboats?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: I wish you would tell just what that was.
MR. ISMAY: That I could not say. I could only speak from what I saw for myself.
SENATOR SMITH: That is all I wish you to do.
MR. ISMAY: The boats that were lowered where I was were in charge of the officer and were filled and lowered away.
SENATOR SMITH: They first put men into the boats for the purpose of controlling them?
MR. ISMAY: We put in some of the ship's people.
SENATOR SMITH: Some of the ship's people?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: How many?
MR. ISMAY: That I could not say.
SENATOR SMITH: About how many?
MR. ISMAY: I could not say.
SENATOR SMITH: About three or four?
MR. ISMAY: The officer who was there will be able to give you that information, sir. My own statement would be simply guesswork. His statement would be reliable.
SENATOR SMITH: In the boat in which you left the ship how many men were on board?
MR. ISMAY: Four.
SENATOR SMITH: Besides yourself?
MR. ISMAY: I thought you meant the crew.
SENATOR SMITH: I did mean the crew.
MR. ISMAY: There were four of the crew.
SENATOR SMITH: What position did these men occupy?
MR. ISMAY: I do not know, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Were any of them officers?
MR. ISMAY: No.
SENATOR SMITH: Or seamen?
MR. ISMAY: I believe one was a quartermaster.
SENATOR SMITH: One was a quartermaster?
MR. ISMAY: I believe so, but I do not know.
SENATOR SMITH: You saw three of the boats lowered yourself?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: And three of them loaded?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: As they were loaded, was any order given as to how they should be loaded?
MR. ISMAY: No.
SENATOR SMITH: How did it happen that the women were first put aboard these lifeboats?
MR. ISMAY: The natural order would be women and children first.
SENATOR SMITH: Was that the order?
MR. ISMAY: Oh, yes.
SENATOR SMITH: That was followed?
MR. ISMAY: As far as practicable.
SENATOR SMITH: So far as you observed?
MR. ISMAY: So far as I observed.
SENATOR SMITH: And were all the women and children accommodated in these lifeboats?
MR. ISMAY: I could not tell you, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: How many passengers were in the lifeboat in which you left the ship?
MR. ISMAY: I should think about 45.
SENATOR SMITH: Forty­five?
MR. ISMAY: That is my recollection.
SENATOR SMITH: Was that its full capacity?
MR. ISMAY: Practically.
SENATOR SMITH: How about the other two boats?
MR. ISMAY: The other three, I should think, were fairly loaded up.
SENATOR SMITH: The three besides the one you were in?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: They were fairly well filled?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Was there any struggle or jostling?
MR. ISMAY: I saw none.
SENATOR SMITH: Or any attempts by men to get into the boats?
MR. ISMAY: I saw none.
SENATOR SMITH: Were these women passengers designated as they went into the lifeboat?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Those that were nearest the lifeboat were taken in?
MR. ISMAY: We simply picked the women out and put them in the boat as fast as we could.
SENATOR SMITH: You picked them from among the throng?
MR. ISMAY: We took the first ones that were there and put them in the lifeboats. I was there myself and put a lot in.
SENATOR SMITH: You helped put some of them in yourself?
MR. ISMAY: I put a great many in.
SENATOR SMITH: Were children shown the same consideration as the women?
MR. ISMAY: Absolutely.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any lifeboat without its complement of oarsmen?
MR. ISMAY: I did not.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the first lifeboat lowered?
MR. ISMAY: That I could not answer, sir. I saw the first lifeboat lowered on the starboard side. What was going on the port side I have no knowledge of.
SENATOR SMITH: It has been intimated, Mr. Ismay, that the first lifeboat did not contain the necessary number of men to man it.
MR. ISMAY: As to that I have no knowledge, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And that women were obliged to row the boat.
MR. HUGHES: That is the second lifeboat, Senator.
SENATOR SMITH: The second lifeboat; and that women were obliged to row that boat from 10:30 o'clock at night until 7:30 o'clock the next morning.
MR. ISMAY: The accident did not take place until 11­­
SENATOR SMITH: Well, from after 11:30 o'clock at night until between 6 and 7 o'clock the next morning.
MR. ISMAY: Of that I have no knowledge.
SENATOR SMITH: Until the Carpathia overtook them. You have no knowledge of that?
MR. ISMAY: Absolutely none, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: So far as your observation went, would you say that was not so?
MR. ISMAY: I would not say either yes or no; but I did not see it.
SENATOR SMITH: When you first went on to the deck, you were only partially clothed?
MR. ISMAY: That is all, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And, as I understand, you went as far as to encounter an officer or steward?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And then returned?
MR. ISMAY: That is right.
SENATOR SMITH: How long were you on the ship after the collision occurred?
MR. ISMAY: That is a very difficult question to answer, sir. Practically until the time ­ almost until she sank.
SENATOR SMITH: How long did it take to lower and load a lifeboat?
MR. ISMAY: I could not answer that.
SENATOR SMITH: Can you approximate it?
MR. ISMAY: It is not possible for me to judge the time. I could not answer that.
SENATOR SMITH: Were you on the Titanic an hour after the collision?
MR. ISMAY: Oh, yes.
SENATOR SMITH: How much longer?
MR. ISMAY: I should think it was an hour and a quarter.
SENATOR SMITH: An hour and a quarter?
MR. ISMAY: I should think that was it; perhaps longer.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you, during this time, see any of the passengers that you knew?
MR. ISMAY: I really do not remember; I saw a great many passengers, but I do not think I paid very much attention to who they were. I do not remember recognizing any of them?
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know Charles M. Hayes?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know of the presence of other Americans and Canadians of prominence?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir; I knew Mr. Hayes was on board the ship.
SENATOR SMITH: You knew he was on the ship?
MR. ISMAY: Yes; I have known him for some years.
SENATOR SMITH: But you did not see him after the accident occurred?
MR. ISMAY: I never saw him after the accident; no.
SENATOR SMITH: And he is unaccounted for?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: He was not among the saved?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: What were the circumstances, Mr. Ismay, of your departure from the ship?
MR. ISMAY: In what way?
SENATOR SMITH: Did the last boat that you went on leave the ship from some point near where you were?
MR. ISMAY: I was immediately opposite the lifeboat when she left.
SENATOR SMITH: Immediately opposite?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: What were the circumstances of your departure from the ship? I ask merely that­­
MR. ISMAY: The boat was there. There was a certain number of men in the boat, and the officer called out asking if there were any more women, and there was no response, and there were no passengers left on the deck.
SENATOR SMITH: There were no passengers on the deck?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir; and as the boat was in the act of being lowered away, I got into it.
SENATOR SMITH: At that time the Titanic was sinking?
MR. ISMAY: She was sinking.
SENATOR SMITH: Where did this ship collide? Was it a side blow?
MR. ISMAY: I have no knowledge, myself. I can only state what I have been told, that she hit an iceberg somewhere between the breakwater and the bridge.
SENATOR SMITH: State that again.
MR. ISMAY: Between the breakwater and the bridge.
SENATOR SMITH: On the starboard side?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any of the men passengers on that ship with life preservers on?
MR. ISMAY: Nearly all passengers had life preservers on.
SENATOR SMITH: All that you saw?
MR. ISMAY: All that I saw had life preservers on.
SENATOR SMITH: All of them that you saw?
MR. ISMAY: Yes; as far as I can remember.
SENATOR SMITH: Naturally, you would remember that if you saw it? When you entered the lifeboat yourself, you say there were no passengers on that part of the ship?
MR. ISMAY: None.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you, at any time, see any struggle among the men to get into these boats?
MR. ISMAY: No.
SENATOR SMITH: Was there any attempt, as this boat was being lowered past the other decks, to have you take on more passengers?
MR. ISMAY: None, sir. There were no passengers there to take on.
SENATOR SMITH: Before you boarded the lifeboat, did you see any of the passengers jump into the sea?
MR. ISMAY: I did not.
SENATOR SMITH: After you had taken the lifeboat did you see any of the passengers or crew with life­saving apparatus on them in the sea?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: What course was taken by the lifeboat in which you were after leaving the ship?
MR. ISMAY: We saw a light some distance off to which we attempted to pull and which we thought was a ship?
SENATOR SMITH: Can you give the direction of it?
MR. ISMAY: I could not give that.
SENATOR SMITH: But you saw a light?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And you attempted to pull this boat toward it?
MR. ISMAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: How long were you in the open sea in this lifeboat?
MR. ISMAY: I should think about four hours.
SENATOR SMITH: Were there any other lifeboats in that vicinity?
MR. ISMAY: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: How many?
MR. ISMAY: That I could not answer. I know there was one, because we hailed her. She had a light, and we hailed her, but got no answer from her.
SENATOR SMITH: You got no answer?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any rafts in the open sea?
MR. ISMAY: No, sir; none.
SENATOR SMITH: Were there any other rafts on the Titanic that could have been utilized?
MR. ISMAY: I believe not.
SENATOR SMITH: Were all of the lifeboats of one type?
MR. ISMAY: No; there were four that are called collapsible boats.
SENATOR SMITH: What were the others?
MR. ISMAY: Ordinary wooden boats.
SENATOR SMITH: How many were there?
MR. ISMAY: I think there were 20 altogether.
SENATOR SMITH: Including both designs?
MR. ISMAY: Yes. Sixteen wooden boats and four collapsible boats, I think. I am not absolutely certain.
SENATOR SMITH: When you reached the Carpathia, was your lifeboat taken aboard the Carpathia?
MR. ISMAY: That I do not know, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any other lifeboats taken aboard the Carpathia?
MR. ISMAY: I did not.
SENATOR SMITH: What was the method of getting you aboard the Carpathia?
MR. ISMAY: We simply walked up a Jacob's ladder.
SENATOR SMITH: What was the condition of the sea at that time?
MR. ISMAY: There was a little ripple on it, nothing more.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know whether all the lifeboats that left the Titanic were accounted for?
MR. ISMAY: I believe so. I do not know that of my own knowledge.
SENATOR SMITH: I think it has been suggested that two of them were engulfed.
